super singles pulling hopper?

Mar 25, 2015 at 05:56 PM CST + 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I'm curious to know if super singles are working for trucks pulling hoppers through feed lots, cattle yards, slime pits, etc. I'd like to put them on my truck but I'm concerned about traction in some situations. Anybody have an opinion?

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 08:31 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. ive been running then for a year now, cant realy complain about then, alot of people told me id hate them but i havvent found a reason to go back to duals yet

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 08:35 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Hi, we have a farm truck with super singles on it. It did good in the field last fall, but if the cornstaulks were wet, i has more trouble. The biggest concern is blowing out 1 of them. I just recently saw that happen in New York and it took out the rim also. Just something to thing about. They are supposed to be 600 lbs. lighter.

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 08:37 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Ya I saved 500 lbs and they seem to wear better

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 08:40 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. So, if i would change from 8 steel rims, to super singles, its 500 lbs. Might be worth it in a years time of extra weight.

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 08:41 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I had all aluminum duals

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 08:51 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I really appreciate the input.... So the benefits out way the potential hassle? There is noticeable financial gain?

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 08:57 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. sorry i had steel inners, but i think so they seem to be holding up good . we run the 445 michelin xdn2 i believe their called. i like them for the weight difference. doesnt seem like much but every little bit adds up

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 09:35 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. One thing to remember with super singles is when you have a flat tire you can't limp it to the next town for repair. You are sitting there waiting for a repair truck. If you are traveling long distances in less populated areas you could put yourself in a bind. With duals you at least may have a chance that only one will blow and you can limp it along. Repair shops also seem to like it when out of towners come needing repairs. Just something to think about. If you travel close to home or more populated areas where there are frequent towns you shouldn't have a problem getting service.

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 09:35 PM CST

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One thing to remember with super singles is when you have a flat tire you can't limp it to the next town for repair. You are sitting there waiting for a repair truck. If you are traveling long distances in less populated areas you could put yourself in a bind. With duals you at least may have a chance that only one will blow and you can limp it along. Repair shops also seem to like it when out of towners come needing repairs. Just something to think about. If you travel close to home or more populated areas where there are frequent towns you shouldn't have a problem getting service.

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:18 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "One thing to remember with super singles is when you have a flat tire you can't limp it to the next town for repair. You are sitting there waiting for a repair truck. If you are traveling long distances in less populated areas you could put yourself in a bind. With duals you at least may have a chance that only one will blow and you can limp it along. Repair shops also seem to like it when out of towners come needing repairs. Just something to think about. If you travel close to home or more populated areas where there are frequent towns you shouldn't have a problem getting service. " You used to be able to do that...BUT anymore with the CSA and some over aggressive DOT officer..driving with a flat..or if you threw a cap..big points..most trailers that were boughtwith widetrack or supersingles will have an inflation device. Now some body was asking about steel duals going to super singles or wide track...I don't know about anymore..but the super single aluminum used to be cheaper than supersingle steel rims..going from steel duals to aluminum super singles will save you I bet 1000 lbs or better..

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:18 PM CST

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Quote: "One thing to remember with super singles is when you have a flat tire you can't limp it to the next town for repair. You are sitting there waiting for a repair truck. If you are traveling long distances in less populated areas you could put yourself in a bind. With duals you at least may have a chance that only one will blow and you can limp it along. Repair shops also seem to like it when out of towners come needing repairs. Just something to think about. If you travel close to home or more populated areas where there are frequent towns you shouldn't have a problem getting service. "

You used to be able to do that...BUT anymore with the CSA and some over aggressive DOT officer..driving with a flat..or if you threw a cap..big points..most trailers that were boughtwith widetrack or supersingles will have an inflation device. Now some body was asking about steel duals going to super singles or wide track...I don't know about anymore..but the super single aluminum used to be cheaper than supersingle steel rims..going from steel duals to aluminum super singles will save you I bet 1000 lbs or better..

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:30 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Randy...are you talking about super singles like a 385..65..22.5 or 425..65..22.5. Or wide track which are a lower tire like a 455..55..22.5...super singles like bridge stone I believe is an 844 are an all position with a tread for some mud and slop..wide track as far as I know are just a highway tread..the big thing is every time you need a new tire..you are basically buying two..

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:30 PM CST

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Randy...are you talking about super singles like a 385..65..22.5 or 425..65..22.5. Or wide track which are a lower tire like a 455..55..22.5...super singles like bridge stone I believe is an 844 are an all position with a tread for some mud and slop..wide track as far as I know are just a highway tread..the big thing is every time you need a new tire..you are basically buying two..

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:36 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I special ordered my last 2 KW's and Timpte trailers on singles. we weigh 24,700 full of fuel. I run local with my trucks and haul out of the fields as well. All the above posters have made true and valid points. I have no trouble if it's dry, but in a slimy feedlot or field road, you can be in trouble. we just avoid those areas. We are "fair weather" truckers, and park them when the roads get snowy and slick..I did the same when the fleet was on duals too though. The only tire that works for us on the drives are Michelin XDN2's. It's not that we run heavy or are putting a lot of horsepower to the ground, it's that because we have a town about every 30 miles. We are constantly slowing down, stopping, etc. I feel the singles wear better than duals. Yes I have had a couple blow outs, but I've been running them 5+ years and have had maybe 3 times where I needed to call a service truck. We are never far from home, so that's not a concern. As for weight savings, My two ultra-light 2012 Timpte's are listed at 7,700 lbs. My folks ordered a twin 2013 Timpte only on 22.5 alumin duals (their driver didn't want singles, plus it was an additional 3 weeks porduction time to build) their trailer is 300 lbs heavier than mine. When you order a truck or trailer from the factory they are equipped with heavier wall axles. (I have PSI on mine also) If converting an existing rig over the weight savings is slightly more. I'll order them again. Trent

Replied on Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:36 PM CST

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I special ordered my last 2 KW's and Timpte trailers on singles. we weigh 24,700 full of fuel. I run local with my trucks and haul out of the fields as well. All the above posters have made true and valid points. I have no trouble if it's dry, but in a slimy feedlot or field road, you can be in trouble. we just avoid those areas. We are "fair weather" truckers, and park them when the roads get snowy and slick..I did the same when the fleet was on duals too though. The only tire that works for us on the drives are Michelin XDN2's. It's not that we run heavy or are putting a lot of horsepower to the ground, it's that because we have a town about every 30 miles. We are constantly slowing down, stopping, etc. I feel the singles wear better than duals. Yes I have had a couple blow outs, but I've been running them 5+ years and have had maybe 3 times where I needed to call a service truck. We are never far from home, so that's not a concern. As for weight savings, My two ultra-light 2012 Timpte's are listed at 7,700 lbs. My folks ordered a twin 2013 Timpte only on 22.5 alumin duals (their driver didn't want singles, plus it was an additional 3 weeks porduction time to build) their trailer is 300 lbs heavier than mine. When you order a truck or trailer from the factory they are equipped with heavier wall axles. (I have PSI on mine also) If converting an existing rig over the weight savings is slightly more. I'll order them again.

Trent

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 08:52 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Carry a unmounted spare with you. That way if you do get a flat you only need a road service. That way they wont charge you $1400 for whatever brand or tread they may have avaliable. Also check air pres daily !!! Anyone else have problems with mich drives cupping on outter tread ?

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:56 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I run super singles on all my trucks and some trailers. If I aquire a truck without them , I quickly replace them with singles. 445/50/22.5 that is . They are not for everyone. I even run caps on them. They blow out every now and then both virgen and caps. For my operation they are working real good. On weight savings I can take a trailer with dual 22.5 all alluminium wheels to 445/50/22.5 and my weight savings are 800 lbs. Thats over a ton and a half if you do both truck and trailer. But like I say they are not for everyone. I buy most of mine used cause no one else wants them . Everyone has made some good points. I do it just for the weight savings. I never noticed anything like fuel savings or longer or shorter tire life just weight savings. It alone is 80 % my truck payment per month per unit. Good luck with them!!

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:56 AM CST

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I run super singles on all my trucks and some trailers. If I aquire a truck without them , I quickly replace them with singles. 445/50/22.5 that is . They are not for everyone. I even run caps on them. They blow out every now and then both virgen and caps. For my operation they are working real good. On weight savings I can take a trailer with dual 22.5 all alluminium wheels to 445/50/22.5 and my weight savings are 800 lbs. Thats over a ton and a half if you do both truck and trailer. But like I say they are not for everyone. I buy most of mine used cause no one else wants them . Everyone has made some good points. I do it just for the weight savings. I never noticed anything like fuel savings or longer or shorter tire life just weight savings. It alone is 80 % my truck payment per month per unit. Good luck with them!!

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:18 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I am grateful for the input. I don't know that much about it as far as determining which type of tire would be best for my application I've heard some horror stories about not being accessible if you do get a flat but I'm also hearing that they are becoming more popular therefore not as challenging to find in case you do blow one on the road. I think my greatest concern is the traction issue in that I do run a lot of feed lots and some times even with duals I have a hard time getting the truck to go

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:18 AM CST

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I am grateful for the input. I don't know that much about it as far as determining which type of tire would be best for my application I've heard some horror stories about not being accessible if you do get a flat but I'm also hearing that they are becoming more popular therefore not as challenging to find in case you do blow one on the road. I think my greatest concern is the traction issue in that I do run a lot of feed lots and some times even with duals I have a hard time getting the truck to go

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:26 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Like I say they are not for everyone. My operation is in the Texas Panhandle and with belt trailers going to feedyards and dairies so pretty much like yours. I do carry a strap in every truck for tugs every now and then. If you decide to go with them I wish you the best of luck. If your ever in the Texas Panhandle and need tire service look me up. I will be more than happy to lead in you in the right direction with the least money. Again... good luck. 806.681.9095

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:26 AM CST

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Like I say they are not for everyone. My operation is in the Texas Panhandle and with belt trailers going to feedyards and dairies so pretty much like yours. I do carry a strap in every truck for tugs every now and then. If you decide to go with them I wish you the best of luck. If your ever in the Texas Panhandle and need tire service look me up. I will be more than happy to lead in you in the right direction with the least money. Again... good luck. 806.681.9095

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 02:21 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Super Singles work great in my operation! We are enjoying the weight savings and less pulling resistance on trailers. Here's what happened to me back in February: I was running empty with another truck. Both of us were empty, pulling similar Timpte hoppers, and had 13 spd manual transmissions. We got to a half mile strecth of 9% uphill grade in approx 4" of snow/slop, both locked our power dividers in and headed up. I was running single, he had duals. I made it up and the other driver spun out half way up... The point of this is that super singles can perform just as good as duals, if not better in some situations. Lonnie

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 02:21 PM CST

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Super Singles work great in my operation! We are enjoying the weight savings and less pulling resistance on trailers. Here's what happened to me back in February: I was running empty with another truck. Both of us were empty, pulling similar Timpte hoppers, and had 13 spd manual transmissions. We got to a half mile strecth of 9% uphill grade in approx 4" of snow/slop, both locked our power dividers in and headed up. I was running single, he had duals. I made it up and the other driver spun out half way up... The point of this is that super singles can perform just as good as duals, if not better in some situations.

Lonnie

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:07 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. we have to remember guys the most eficient money saver is coming sense we run 455 caps on our belt trailer never have any problems we check air pression often we rotate them so they all wore out evenly i did notice backing up in the mud they seem to drag more ligth weigth yea easy pulling easy to drag in turns to we run short hauls so far so good last 2 caps i buy only pay 280 a piece so do ur math..

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:07 PM CST

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we have to remember guys the most eficient money saver is coming sense
we run 455 caps on our belt trailer never have any problems we check air pression often
we rotate them so they all wore out evenly i did notice backing up in the mud they seem to drag more
ligth weigth yea easy pulling easy to drag in turns to we run short hauls so far so good last 2 caps i buy only pay 280 a piece so do ur math..

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:00 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "One thing to remember with super singles is when you have a flat tire you can't limp it to the next town for repair. You are sitting there waiting for a repair truck. If you are traveling long distances in less populated areas you could put yourself in a bind. With duals you at least may have a chance that only one will blow and you can limp it along. Repair shops also seem to like it when out of towners come needing repairs. Just something to think about. If you travel close to home or more populated areas where there are frequent towns you shouldn't have a problem getting service. " you can keep going depends on how big the hole is michelin tires have a sealant in them to keep the tire up to a certain pressure and speed so they are in some ways better

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:00 PM CST

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you can keep going depends on how big the hole is michelin tires have a sealant in them to keep the tire up to a certain pressure and speed so they are in some ways better

Replied on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:42 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Richard Rickey what air pressure do you run? If you run 120 psi in super singles they will not wear on the edges.

Replied on Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:16 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I run the 445's on all of my tractors and am still converting my trailers over to the same. The biggest advantage besides weight reduction I have found is you no longer have the problem of mud clumps or rocks getting stuck between the duals. On my dumps however I am staying with alluminum duals just for the wider wheel base, trying to prevent tip overs. If you decide to go with the singles remember to change over your mud flaps so that you get less wind drag. Going over to that type of tire is like anything else you do with your business. You make a large initial investment that won't pay off over night but if done right will pay off substantially over time.

Replied on Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:16 PM CST

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I run the 445's on all of my tractors and am still converting my trailers over to the same. The biggest advantage besides weight reduction I have found is you no longer have the problem of mud clumps or rocks getting stuck between the duals. On my dumps however I am staying with alluminum duals just for the wider wheel base, trying to prevent tip overs. If you decide to go with the singles remember to change over your mud flaps so that you get less wind drag. Going over to that type of tire is like anything else you do with your business. You make a large initial investment that won't pay off over night but if done right will pay off substantially over time.

Replied on Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 09:19 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. If you lose a tire, on tractor you can let the air out of the suspension and lock your differential and limp and not tear your equipment up. The same can be done on the trailer by dropping the air out of the suspension. It will generally help "pick" the flat one up about 2 inches.

Replied on Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 09:30 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Smoother ride,lighter weight what more can you ask for? Make sure that you invest in a tpms.

Replied on Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 05:34 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I have been running super singles for a lot of years had a few blowouts will never go back to duals. I run frameless end dump tried a few different brands found out Michelins r the best that i have used as far as air pressure Michelin recomends 100 psi on 34,000 lbs i also put nitrogen instead of regular air and rotate tires every 50,000 miles the tires seem to last longer saved 1000 lbs on the whole unit works 4 me

Replied on Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 05:34 PM CST

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I have been running super singles for a lot of years had a few blowouts will never go back to duals. I run frameless end dump tried a few different brands found out Michelins r the best that i have used as far as air pressure Michelin recomends 100 psi on 34,000 lbs i also put nitrogen instead of regular air and rotate tires every 50,000 miles the tires seem to last longer saved 1000 lbs on the whole unit works 4 me

Replied on Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 03:41 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Carry a unmounted spare with you. That way if you do get a flat you only need a road service. That way they wont charge you $1400 for whatever brand or tread they may have avaliable. Also check air pres daily !!! Anyone else have problems with mich drives cupping on outter tread ?" drop air pressure it comes from riding over grove put down from duals

Replied on Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 03:41 PM CST

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Quote: "Carry a unmounted spare with you. That way if you do get a flat you only need a road service. That way they wont charge you $1400 for whatever brand or tread they may have avaliable. Also check air pres daily !!! Anyone else have problems with mich drives cupping on outter tread ?"

drop air pressure it comes from riding over grove put down from duals

Replied on Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 10:20 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. where and what brand caps are you using ? happy ? seriouisloy thinking of going this route. thanks Jim

Replied on Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 05:21 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. just get them at comercial tire here or les schwab dealers around here that ones with smooth tread seems to last better im only do short runs and slow down when it gets hot in the summer time good luck to all u guys out there and be safe folks

Replied on Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 10:29 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I run several super singles on several trucks/trailers and have tried everything from cheap double coins to hankooks to michelins. Best luck I have had is the michelin x ones. Obviously you get what you pay for. Shout out to Bills tire in Columbus, ne. They have the best deal I have found in ks and ne on the x ones. $975 mounted. Let me know if you find better!! I'd be interested about hearing some more info on these caps? I'd only put them on trailers in my opinion. We save about 1100 lbs per rig all super singles. But we add a couple hundred of those pounds with a mounted one we keep above the 5th wheel plate. That doesn't bother us though. The primary reason we run singles is for fuel mileage. You pick up your fuel mileage by eliminating the number of sidewalls fighting resistance. In this case we cut our sidewall resistance in half.

Replied on Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 10:29 AM CST

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I run several super singles on several trucks/trailers and have tried everything from cheap double coins to hankooks to michelins. Best luck I have had is the michelin x ones. Obviously you get what you pay for. Shout out to Bills tire in Columbus, ne. They have the best deal I have found in ks and ne on the x ones. $975 mounted. Let me know if you find better!! I'd be interested about hearing some more info on these caps? I'd only put them on trailers in my opinion. We save about 1100 lbs per rig all super singles. But we add a couple hundred of those pounds with a mounted one we keep above the 5th wheel plate. That doesn't bother us though. The primary reason we run singles is for fuel mileage. You pick up your fuel mileage by eliminating the number of sidewalls fighting resistance. In this case we cut our sidewall resistance in half.