Thank You mega brokers

between all the double brokered loads, loads posted by non legal operations and the bogus loads by the TQL's of the world this posting boards value is questionable at best. Ay least DAT board allows you to block the bogus posters and verifies that they are legal to even be brokering freight before allowing to post

I don't even look at brokered loads anymore just shipper direct.

The people that run this board don't seem to care. As long as they get people to pay for memberships and they make their money. I wrote them to report about a guy who works for TQL who was running two different names under different company names, which neither were called TQL, but were made up names. They wrote back and said they had looked into it and were fixing the problem. Next day the same guy had a new post in the forum and all of the other posts that I used to out the guy was deleted. So the guy is still posting BS and nothing has changed. Some of you probably saw my post and know what I am talking about. This website has been going to the dumps since TQL and the like have joined and if things don't change soon then I will not be subscribing to this site much longer.

I was getting ready to make a post really similar to this. I get really sick and tired of calling on a load only to be told there are none, or they are all booked. Why leave the load posted if they are all booked and gone? get that crap off the list so the rest of us can stop making dead end calls and find something worth while. Then they turn around and ask if you want to book any for next week. How about posting say 10 loads availiable and when they are booked (if they actually exist) take the listing detail down!

First, let's talk tech:

Normally when we are posting loads to show up on the board, there are multiple boxes to fill out the information. This is fine for companies like mine that only post one or two loads at a time. Not so great for the big boys out there (ADM, JDH, ect) with multiple locations, destinations or details.

Bulkloads has created a great functionality for posting multiple loads. You can email a specially formatted spreadsheet saved in .csv format to an address and it will automatically upload the information. No one is sitting around filling in the little boxes for every load. No one at Bulkloads is monitoring the information coming in on those sheets, but the scripting language does prevent identical postings to be created.

Cheers to Bulkloads staff for once again employing smart technology!

So how are these companies getting away with it? The scripting language dictates if ALL of the boxes filled out manually OR the line on a .csv sheet representing the stuff to plug into the boxes have identical information, it kicks it out as a duplicate. A few people wised up to this and are manipulating this information.

If you look at the glut of postings (best seen about 7am using the Home tab and "View all link" near recent postings) you can see there are postings that have a matching origin, destination, and Bulkloads User ID being used ... and at least 7 Pick Up and Deliver By dates...one for each day of the week. And they do it again by posting it the same way using a nearby town name. It's just enough duplicate information to flood the board and make it hard to shop, and just enough unique information to keep the system from kicking it out as a duplicate.

Why is Bulkloads.com letting them get away with doing this?

They aren't. They have a user (or users) taking advantage of an automated process.

Why are other brokers giving this information to these companies to begin with?

There seem to be 2 different trains of thought here - 1) The original poster does not care as long as the job is completed and 2) They may not be aware of who the company is either by reputation or because the third party broker did not identify themselves.

If it is the first situation: I will point out to all other brokers that you are doing little more than creating more work for yourselves and the drivers. Everyone has to take or make multiple phone calls to shop load prices or make calls to see if the load is still available.

If it is the second:
I have had multiple calls in one day from different agents of these companies who do not identify themselves as reputations of Companyy XYZ. The conversation starts off like any other from a person shopping loads. It isn't you notice the noise in the background (it sounds like an office vs someone at home or in a truck) or until they ask an odd question (can this road salt be loaded in a dry van) that a red flag is raised. As I have pointed out in previous posts, these companies can repost unless they are specifically told not to.

This is America and all companies have the right to try and succeed by any means necessary, even if we do not morally or ethically agree with it on a personal level.

Bulkloads.com has the right to garner income by collecting membership fees from anyone willing to pay them. Certain companies have the right to exist, even if they gain business through less than ethical practices. We as a group have the right to be irritated as hell that certain members are abusing a process that has otherwise always operated on an honor system.

What practical suggestions can we as a group make to the Bulkloads.com staff?

I would like to see a flagging system put in place, similar to CraigsList, that will alert Bulkloads staff there is a potential abuse of services.

Seems like that is a direct set up to lose the many by refusing to lose or re-educate the few. What do you suggest instead of a flagging system?

It would be nice to have the ability to block certain brokers out, like I have at other load board sites. I am sure that brokers would like to be able to block my company as well. At leastwise the dishonorable ones that I have ragged on. LOL Don't have to worry about good old Too Quirky Loco's calling me anymore, I have called them out on too many websites. I sometimes call their agents and explain to them that they are really getting rooked because they don't really know what the loads are paying, and how can you make a fair percentage when you the broker agent do not really know what the load is paying in the first place to the brokerage firm. Once you let the agents know the truth they start looking for an honorable firm to work for. Most of the young folks are just trying to make an honest living like the rest of us, when they find out the firm they are working for is being dishonorable with them they like most generally will leave. Kinda like a carrier stating to an owner operator leased on to them that the load is paying one thing when it is really paying another. Let us remember our industry is so chocked up with dishonor and lack of integrity. That is why we only want those that have honor and integrity to join us at the Independent Carrier Group.


Alfred Scott Jordan
Powerhouse Transportation, LLC
a member of the Independent Carrier Group
Freedom with Integrity

Now there is something that I didn't know. Jared This isn't right. While you have done me a lot of favors Out of all of us the people posting can afford a fee before the truckers. This is a good site, but it could go bad if you don't read your own forum and take action.

Art Pfluger

Make yourself aware. Go to the home page and read about the free membership vs the paid membership.

Is anyone actually hauling these cheap loads for TQL and other mega brokers? Is anyone willing to admit they are hauling these crap rates? If no one takes there loads, they will fail to deliver and soon be out of the hopper business. They are a non-asset based brokerage firm.

This is a forum. A forum is a place to go to voice our opinions. If you don't think it is wrong for brokers or trucker's to do their business dishonestly then you are part of the problem. A lot of us still have morals and run honest businesses.

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Okay how about this angle
either get them off this board or they will lose a hell of a lot of paying customers if they're not held to be honest than they need to leave very simple

Sarcasm detected.

By no means let me stop you from running the large brokers out of business. While you're taking down TQL, I'd appreciate it if you could go ahead and handle CH Rob for me also.

Thanks, Matt that will solve the majority of the problems. Once an individual finds out they don't want to work with another it is easy to block them out.

I'm all for this. I knew our voices were being herd.

I agree with these guys. So happy you are taking it all to heart. Thanks for listening.

Art Pfluger

Same with TQL in Michigan....Is anyone really hauling this cheap stuff for these guys or have they convinced all their van carriers to go buy hoppers???

It seems to me, after reading many posts about brokers and such, that ALL that are "TRANSPORTATION SPECIALISTS" need to quit moaning about brokers, and grow some balls and just say"NO". We all know how much it takes to "BREAK EVEN" operating a truck.It doesn't matter how many you have. If you can't make a profit' don't except the load. Isn't it that simple?
By saying no if the load won't work for you...move on to another. Plain and simple. If you lose money, you won't be here long. There is gonna ALWAYS be someone who will haul the load....but they come and go. Build a relationship with the customer, and prove why you get paid better.
I used to work with a carrier I was leased to, that supplied the haz-mat trailer, I pulled it. They operate illegally, and I won't. So, they tried to piss me off by swapping out trailer. I told them it time for me to move on. They are still operating, time will tell. I made the right call, and I do it every day, when it comes to rates. Be smart. If you don't like the rates from broker A B or C, then don't agree to haul it.