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i have no problem stating this is the most illogical legislation for process change set forth that will result in the opposite effect on the roads. Any sucessful business would never attach the amount of risk to one stakeholder in any equation for a successful bottom line, the first thing peope in business that want to change a process are asked....who will effect the change and who will be effected by the change. Your government has clearly chosen to ignore best business practices to mplement this legislation only involving one section of the supply chain management structure. in a time structured setting it is impossible to maintain any sense or kind of safety and efficiency when you only mandate one sector. but this will be proven in time unfortunately when accidents increase and the onus is put on the driver who decided to speed and beat his logs due to the fact the shipper or receiver is not mandated to load the truck within a set amount of time. i am not talking after market solutions of being paid wait time, that doesn't matter to the reload up ahead, i am speaking of real time effects. Unfortunately time will tell what a safety disaster this legislation will create, this legislation actually encourages and forces bad driving practices.

jason, this who elog mess was put into overdrive when Chow was George Ws sec of trans, now shes trumps sec, repubs want this power grab just as much as dems do....the only diff these dats is that repubs think they can run dumb big goberment socialist programs just a smidgon better than dems can....i bet if someone did some digging you ll find that MOST senetors and congressmen are heavily invested in qualcom peoplenet ect...has zero to do with saftey and all about the money....like always

they ran legal as their time for loading and unloading wasn't part of their log time and if it was it was accounted for in their trip, also the legislation for time required to haul live animals is quite different than other goods and commodities but i am more than sure you are aware of that. the trucks that are going to get their asses kicked are the governed trucks. this is not compliance as 2/3 of the equation has no compliance to meet, the shipper and receiver. i find it interesting that when these units are installed it is such a learning curve for most that they ask their drivers now to back up with a paper log just in case things go sideways.....and as for drivers, i would suspect that most drivers would think their companies would get a grasp both on this issue of and on the training of the new devices. not all drivers are o/o or independant. this is not a matter of driver apathy, it is a matter of governing agencies capable of making laws for an industry they know little about as it seems.

The blame for our current situation is not OOIDA.
It is not the ATA.
It is not even the FMCSA.

While we would like to blame everybody but who is really at fault for this mess, and I know the ATA used their lobbying dollars to influence the FMCSA to get their level playing field concept rolling. This may indeed piss myself and others off. In the end you may want to blame the liaticians and the gooberment, as well as those that legally bribed them.

Your government gave each of you the opportunity to make comments on the EOBR/ELD. OOIDA, ICG, and other groups sent emails and links out to many of you to make such comments. What happened? About 4500 comments made the first time on the EOBR, 4000 comments the second time, 3500 comments on speed limiters, 200-1000 comments on anytime a Mega-Carrier desires to apply for an exception to the FMCSA regulations.

Just like most of you fail to know how to run your business at a profit, you also seem to fail to understand the procedures for properly letting your government know that you dislike something they want to do. How can you claim that they do not listen to you if you fail to tell them anything? I told all of you that we needed to stop these things from occurring before they became law, but I guess you were too busy to make a comment or write a letter, or call your representative about the issues. To expect the Senate and Congress to know about your profession you need to make them aware of such, otherwise they will make their decisions based upon the information that is provided to them.

There are still quite a few of us that have not given up on this fight to include OOIDA, ICG, Cattlemens Association, as well as many others. I have talked with several group leaders and informed them that if we had headed this off at the pass by working together willingly we would now not have to work together by force. I as well as others took a ripping over the past several years on this forum as well as others. Individuals like myself have been warning the rest of you and trying to educate you as to what was happening. I have done many posting on the gooberment overreach, rates, and profitability, to only have those that do not have a clue attack those that do.

When children get out of line parents have to instill discipline and rules. This is exactly what the gooberment has had to do, the truckers decided to continue to behave like children and the parent without having all the information has decided to instill discipline. Many of you keep arguing that you have the right to outlaw truck, and you state it proudly in public forums. Real outlaws do not talk about committing crimes in public, so much for you claim of being some kind of stupertrucker that believes in their own mind that they are an outlaw from the past. We can now see the results of the stupertrucker and their lazy ways, they can't even pick up a phone and call their representative, click on a link and type "I DO NOT AGREE", but they can sure brag about all the log books they can run, the size of the Kitty under thier long hood, and how much money their supposedly are making at the big whopping $1.50 per mile or less they are running.

This is one of the main reasons I quit posting here, I grew tired of the stupertrucker wanting to be childish and not bring any good debate or dialouge to the forum. I had a couple of freinds tell me the stupertrucker was abounding once again and that I needed to come an post a response or an article.

Here is such response, if you are a stupertrucker that can not see the forrest because of the tree. Do all of us a favor, park your authority, sell your rig, and go back to being a company driver. If you do not run your business at a profit margin then you truly are not a buisness owner at all. You are just running your rig for a paycheck. If you can not take the time to get involved and respond to important issues that effect you, others, and your industry, you need to do the same. Just be a company driver and let others do the thinking for you.

Look in the mirror truckers and you will often times find the answers to your problems.

Another post by the great one ??, funny Scott you preach these things but you will never be able to control any of it!! The world is to big, to many people with there own ways and opinions, intelligence and interests, especially in the trucking world. Look around it's a shit box....

ELD's will not work in the ag segment....PERIOD!

they are already working in the ag segment.... i know 4 independenta who have been running them for 4 yrs. and according to them they work and..... since 2 of them are driving 2016 peterbilts... i have to believe them

There you go again, trying to get noticed and make this all about you, just like that annoying little kid who was always causing some sort of distraction in the classroom, because they didn't get enoug attention from mommy. This is not about you, nor is about me. It is about us as a group. Funny how you keep trying to monopolize the conversation, and insert yourself, with the message that we should just give up! I am glad that we didn't have to many guys like you around when we were fighting for our independence. You keep on acting like your still in jr. High, jumping up and down like a little kid, yelling insults and trying to get noticed. I have tried to warn folks about the potential for ugliness once this goes into effect, and you continue to try and make sure that it gets to that point! How about you and I shut up, and let others debate the topic, unless your too afraid that others may actually succeed in turning this around!!!!!

They have been pushing this law for decades, you can't stop a train, it's law now afraid it's to late to cry over spilled milk now, like complaining about Obama care before it went into effect, see how that went.

Funny how you have to take what I said, completely out of context? You are cherry picking words, and distortorting the intended message behind them. Ok, let's start with the "repeat of Germany quote ......... Your monthly bills will not change, yes or no kevin? Ok if your your monthly bills remain the same, but you cannot run as many miles, what has to happen? Your rate goes up, yes or no? Ok, then how much would they have to go up? Ok, maybe you are on a dedicated run, so nothing would change for you Kevin, but does your situation apply to everyone else Kevin, yes or no? Ok so how many times along the supply chain would rates have to go up? Let's look at the the line of trucks and the wait times at the elevator.........Trucker picks up a load of beans at 5am, drives to elevator 170 miles away, gets there at 9:00. Am. Now sits there for 6 hours, before he is able to unload...... ok, now he has to drive 120 miles to his backhual spot to pick up a load of fertilizer, so he gets to the fertilizer plant at 5:pm, and there is a line of trucks in front of him, he has a 2 hour wait before he can load....... he has now reached his 14 hours, and has only logged 290 miles for the day.......yet his insurance, truck payment, trailer payment, and other monthly bills have not changed. How much would his rate per mile have to be, to stay in business? And how many times along the supply chain would we have to see a increase similar to this? How many times throughout the supply chain would this happen? Is it conceivable the price of food would suddenly sky rockecket, yes or no?........ and if that happened, would people have to ask their boss for a raise, so they could feed their family, yes or no? So does this have the potential to cause hyper inflation, yes or no? Hyper inflation= 1920's Germany, yes or no?

They were direct questions, with simple yes or no answers, and you could not answer them? Hymmmm.......... Anyone else notice that.

You are so right Troy. It truly is a shit box. I have cleaned my portion of shit up down through the years.

This is a topic for me about property rights for all citizens being grabbed. We have ran ELD's for two years now prepping for the very real possibility of such. We have not given up the fight, we will just take it in a different direction. I can not disclose that at this time. I will let you know that I do have attorneys reviewing the next punch that will be delivered.

Sorry, truckers to tell you this, there is much more at stake then your wanting to be an outlaw. This is an invasion of our property rights for public use without just compensation by the government for such.

I have had calls from others in other industries about their concerns and that the government is going to try and do the same to them as well.

If the government controls the food, water, and transportation of such. They then control the sheeple.

Let us quit trying to one up each other and fight for the same cause for the first time in a long time.

It is up to each and every citizen to defend their rights. If you do not then expect them to continue to be taken. Welcome to the new Industrial Revolution unless you defend what is yours, Freedom with Integrity.

It's funny our ancestors came over here to get away from Europe and there taxes and b.s. and we are becoming them. We will be socialists one day

Talked with my local DOT officer the other day about this. We talked about exemptions. If you are not required to fill out a daily log because you are "ag exempt" then E logs will only be mandatory if you use logs more then 8 days in any 30 day period. He basically told me that since we only have to carry 8 days of logs we could claim to be "ag exempt" the other 22 days and he couldnt prove other wise. Also "ag exempt" doesnt just apply to a radius around your home or base, it is a 150 mile radius from any point of origin to the delivery point no matter where you are.

While I agree that when I call my government representatives I don't get the response I want I still call repeatedly. If you stop and give up you are a loser. It's not over.

Art Pfluger

Howdy all. This paricular issue has me considering exiting an enterprise that has put my kids thru college, built a couple houses, and set my wife and I up pretty good. But, this overreach by big brother has me taking pause. I'll admit in 2+ million miles my paper work might not always match my actions. Having said that, this ELD really is about control. I've done some research, and all devices and software available look great-if you're big brother. The only data this first round of overeach is looking for is duty tracking. It appears that nearly every one of these recorders has the ability to track the truck thru gps, and it records every action the engine makes. Furthermore, some boast of detecting "hard cornering". That little gov't box tied to the ecm knows and records everything. And it will order your ecm to do whatever the gov't tells it too. So, while all we're being told is, that for now, gov't only wants duty tracking. In the name of safety and security, the gov't knows best right? It appears that the gov't box records fuel economy, speed, location, fault codes, and a few other little details the driver may not record on his log. How long before the little gov't box shuts you down idling in the parking lot? Or a little radio wave comes across and dictates your speed? Maybe the wizards with computers will figure out how to weigh your truck thru fuel consumption and/or speed on grade? While this all may sound a bit conspiratorial I cannot imagine yielding to this overeach. To those of you that lay down on this, enjoy your security. I'll be busy enjoying my freedom.

If we aren't allowed to 'modify' the eld's, and don't know how to modify the ecm, is there any reason wiring a toggle switch into the cable between the data port and the eld wouldn't work? at least for short distances... If the eld thinks the truck is shut off... just checking...

Are you really asking/saying that? What the hell???? Are you that desperate to think that way? How long have you been in business??? This is hilarious.

Ha. All the insults? Naw, just the truth. Why would you try to put a switch in line to shut off a mandatory item? This speaks volumes. Good luck with all the reasons...