Grain Hauling and going broke

Jul 29, 2021 at 09:59 AM CST + 34 - 5
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I’m new to grain hauling first off, heck new to trucking period. I hear people make $4000 weekly and seems like I can’t even get close to that most weeks. Can someone point me in a direction so I can make some money for myself and family. It seems like I may need to look into hauling something different but living in Kansas I thought grain hauling would be a good decision.

Replied on Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 02:04 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Local grain hauling in Kansas can be a tough market. Have you looked into hauling commodities or even aggregates? You might have to spend the night in the truck a few times per week.

Replied on Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 03:22 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Email me at [email protected]

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 07:59 AM CST + 2 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Greetings Milton. I am a dispatcher that can assist with this issue, and can definitely get you rolling. Does this sound like something you might be interested in? Just thought I share some beneficial services with you.

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:00 AM CST + 3 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. First you need to know that most of those trucking stories are just that. Trucking stories. This last year in the hopper bisiness has almost become a joke compared to just about any other freight out there when it comes to rates and getting jacked around. I learned this year that it isnt even that hard to stumble upon something such as a hobby to do and is a lot more fun that even pays better than pulling a hopper. Everything related to operating a truck has gone up considerably this year. Not just fuel like a lot of people think is the only thing to factor into any type of rate increase. With cost of things that have gone up year after year to operate and the little increase the drivers have got over the last 20 years does not make up for the increases of living on the road and operating a truck. For example, new equipment alone has doubled in price in the last 20 years and the equipment is less dependable and loses value much faster than the older equipment ever will. when you put the pen to paper trucking companys and drivers have been taking a little bit of a pay cut about every year for the the last 20 years for sure.

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:00 AM CST

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First you need to know that most of those trucking stories are just that. Trucking stories. This last year in the hopper bisiness has almost become a joke compared to just about any other freight out there when it comes to rates and getting jacked around. I learned this year that it isnt even that hard to stumble upon something such as a hobby to do and is a lot more fun that even pays better than pulling a hopper. Everything related to operating a truck has gone up considerably this year. Not just fuel like a lot of people think is the only thing to factor into any type of rate increase. With cost of things that have gone up year after year to operate and the little increase the drivers have got over the last 20 years does not make up for the increases of living on the road and operating a truck. For example, new equipment alone has doubled in price in the last 20 years and the equipment is less dependable and loses value much faster than the older equipment ever will. when you put the pen to paper trucking companys and drivers have been taking a little bit of a pay cut about every year for the the last 20 years for sure.

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:48 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Unless you plan on going out 2 weeks at a time you wont make any money hauling grain. Even then its tough. Might make just enough to keep you hanging on thinking it might turn better. Not much on this board that seems to pay very well. Your best bet is to get in with a few loacal elevators and haul for them. I mainly use this board for a few back haul loads if i haul beans to Sioux City. Just to see if there is any fertilizer coming back. The elevator pays me a round trip but if i can sneak in a back haul or two sure helps out. Even with the dedicated work from an elevator its not a get rich deal. I have other trucks on the road pulling reefers and i just use the grain to keep me busy while i dipatch them. I have a buddy pulling a hopper and he goes east coast to west. North to south and he is barely making it. Not sure why he stays at it when i tell him he could pull one of my reefers and be home evey 5-8 days and make twice as much. If you need to be home every night the only way you will make money trucking is to find a nich market in uour area. Something not many people do but there is a need for. Eveyone has a hopper so rates will never come up. In trucking you have to think outside the box and seperate yourself from the crowd. Its not a get rich quick deal. It is very long term and when you just think things are looking up a $10,000 repair will hit you so be prepared. Hope this helps you out.

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:48 AM CST

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Unless you plan on going out 2 weeks at a time you wont make any money hauling grain. Even then its tough. Might make just enough to keep you hanging on thinking it might turn better. Not much on this board that seems to pay very well. Your best bet is to get in with a few loacal elevators and haul for them. I mainly use this board for a few back haul loads if i haul beans to Sioux City. Just to see if there is any fertilizer coming back. The elevator pays me a round trip but if i can sneak in a back haul or two sure helps out. Even with the dedicated work from an elevator its not a get rich deal. I have other trucks on the road pulling reefers and i just use the grain to keep me busy while i dipatch them. I have a buddy pulling a hopper and he goes east coast to west. North to south and he is barely making it. Not sure why he stays at it when i tell him he could pull one of my reefers and be home evey 5-8 days and make twice as much. If you need to be home every night the only way you will make money trucking is to find a nich market in uour area. Something not many people do but there is a need for. Eveyone has a hopper so rates will never come up. In trucking you have to think outside the box and seperate yourself from the crowd. Its not a get rich quick deal. It is very long term and when you just think things are looking up a $10,000 repair will hit you so be prepared. Hope this helps you out.

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:49 AM CST + 5
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quit using load boards for every load, the stuff that is typically posted on here is loads that brokers typically can not cover or the shipper has extra that needs moved and doesn't care how long it sits. You need to build a network up and form working relationships. Find either shippers or customers from cold calling and build that relationship or use a LICENSED AND BONDED broker and form a relationship with them to get the better paying loads. You also need to find your break even point (everyone says $2 but in reality it can be way higher or lower) and then figure out what you want to make above break even and only haul loads in that range as much as possible.

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:49 AM CST

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Quit using load boards for every load, the stuff that is typically posted on here is loads that brokers typically can not cover or the shipper has extra that needs moved and doesn't care how long it sits. You need to build a network up and form working relationships. Find either shippers or customers from cold calling and build that relationship or use a LICENSED AND BONDED broker and form a relationship with them to get the better paying loads. You also need to find your break even point (everyone says $2 but in reality it can be way higher or lower) and then figure out what you want to make above break even and only haul loads in that range as much as possible.

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:49 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Forgot to mention. DO NOT hook up with a dispatch service. They will take there cut off an already low rate and leave you losing money on each load. Find the loads your self. If you cant do that then you shouldnt be trucking. Search the boards. Make lots of cold calls. Get on email lists and eventually you will plenty to do. Indidnt say it would pay great but you will be busy.

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:49 AM CST

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Forgot to mention. DO NOT hook up with a dispatch service. They will take there cut off an already low rate and leave you losing money on each load. Find the loads your self. If you cant do that then you shouldnt be trucking. Search the boards. Make lots of cold calls. Get on email lists and eventually you will plenty to do. Indidnt say it would pay great but you will be busy.

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 02:01 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. If anyone of y’all have some good contacts that would be greatly appreciated. Also if you would like to talk give me a call. 7859550745

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 02:01 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Greetings Milton. I am a dispatcher that can assist with this issue, and can definitely get you rolling. Does this sound like something you might be interested in? Just thought I share some beneficial services with you. " Give me a call. 7859550745

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 02:02 PM CST + 4
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I break a pencil everytime I think I find a grain hauling gig, it don't work out for me..... So I pull a stepdeck hauling tractors 2-3 days a week for the same money.. That's what works for us and every operation is very different just like every farm/ranch is different.. Good luck and 2022 cant get here soon ebough to put the brakes on these lefty commies...

Replied on Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 02:02 PM CST

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I break a pencil everytime I think I find a grain hauling gig, it don't work out for me..... So I pull a stepdeck hauling tractors 2-3 days a week for the same money.. That's what works for us and every operation is very different just like every farm/ranch is different.. Good luck and 2022 cant get here soon ebough to put the brakes on these lefty commies...

Replied on Mon, Aug 02, 2021 at 06:20 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Stop hauling grain it's to cheap haul. Something that other people want & be good at it & stay in truck attest a week at a time & double income

Replied on Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 02:59 PM CST
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Replied on Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 08:27 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Call ross at unity trucking 806-930-1129

Replied on Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 08:27 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I haul quite a bit of grain,but I only haul farmer direct! If I can't get $4.50-$5 a loaded mile,it doesn't go on my truck.it can sit for all I care.I can usually grav fertilizer on the way back.

Replied on Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 01:00 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "First you need to know that most of those trucking stories are just that. Trucking stories. This last year in the hopper bisiness has almost become a joke compared to just about any other freight out there when it comes to rates and getting jacked around. I learned this year that it isnt even that hard to stumble upon something such as a hobby to do and is a lot more fun that even pays better than pulling a hopper. Everything related to operating a truck has gone up considerably this year. Not just fuel like a lot of people think is the only thing to factor into any type of rate increase. With cost of things that have gone up year after year to operate and the little increase the drivers have got over the last 20 years does not make up for the increases of living on the road and operating a truck. For example, new equipment alone has doubled in price in the last 20 years and the equipment is less dependable and loses value much faster than the older equipment ever will. when you put the pen to paper trucking companys and drivers have been taking a little bit of a pay cut about every year for the the last 20 years for sure. " too many farmers do commercial hauling under their farm policy which covers them in the state of nd they cant go or not suppose to go out of state but nd has resaprocity with minnesota and sd 50 miles lot go to crookston and east grandforks or to aberdeen sd nothing a commercial hauler can do about that farmer in the area has 7 trucks and are all driver by the import workers they dont need a medical or even a cdl they haul all over the state mr farmer justs tells the elevetor that he hauls in he will haul out nothing happens the dot looks with a blind eye these farmers also haul fertilizer from point a to b without any worry very few farmers ever get pulled in not very many would pass a level one inspection dot sees farm plate and waves them thru while you are getting the once over now the drought has allowed the farmers and ranchers to haul hay or livestock fee from anyplace they want 3 loads came out to southern minnesota and crossed nd and went into montana one had no straps Flatbed isnt so hot now van hauling isnt bad but not great have a blessed day

Replied on Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 01:00 PM CST

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Quote: "First you need to know that most of those trucking stories are just that. Trucking stories. This last year in the hopper bisiness has almost become a joke compared to just about any other freight out there when it comes to rates and getting jacked around. I learned this year that it isnt even that hard to stumble upon something such as a hobby to do and is a lot more fun that even pays better than pulling a hopper. Everything related to operating a truck has gone up considerably this year. Not just fuel like a lot of people think is the only thing to factor into any type of rate increase. With cost of things that have gone up year after year to operate and the little increase the drivers have got over the last 20 years does not make up for the increases of living on the road and operating a truck. For example, new equipment alone has doubled in price in the last 20 years and the equipment is less dependable and loses value much faster than the older equipment ever will. when you put the pen to paper trucking companys and drivers have been taking a little bit of a pay cut about every year for the the last 20 years for sure. "

too many farmers do commercial hauling under their farm policy which covers them in the state of nd they cant go or not suppose to go out of state but nd has resaprocity with minnesota and sd 50 miles lot go to crookston and east grandforks or to aberdeen sd nothing a commercial hauler can do about that farmer in the area has 7 trucks and are all driver by the import workers they dont need a medical or even a cdl they haul all over the state mr farmer justs tells the elevetor that he hauls in he will haul out nothing happens the dot looks with a blind eye these farmers also haul fertilizer from point a to b without any worry very few farmers ever get pulled in not very many would pass a level one inspection dot sees farm plate and waves them thru while you are getting the once over now the drought has allowed the farmers and ranchers to haul hay or livestock fee from anyplace they want 3 loads came out to southern minnesota and crossed nd and went into montana one had no straps

Flatbed isnt so hot now van hauling isnt bad but not great have a blessed day

Replied on Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 01:01 PM CST + 1 - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. You might be too new to the game to tell but most of the people that reply on this forum are going to be brokers and they will help you find even more cheap loads. Brokers don’t have loads or trucks but they do have a cell phone and so do you. The difference is brokers use theirs to call shippers and you use yours to call brokers.

Replied on Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 07:37 AM CST + 2 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Unless you plan on going out 2 weeks at a time you wont make any money hauling grain. Even then its tough. Might make just enough to keep you hanging on thinking it might turn better. Not much on this board that seems to pay very well. Your best bet is to get in with a few loacal elevators and haul for them. I mainly use this board for a few back haul loads if i haul beans to Sioux City. Just to see if there is any fertilizer coming back. The elevator pays me a round trip but if i can sneak in a back haul or two sure helps out. Even with the dedicated work from an elevator its not a get rich deal. I have other trucks on the road pulling reefers and i just use the grain to keep me busy while i dipatch them. I have a buddy pulling a hopper and he goes east coast to west. North to south and he is barely making it. Not sure why he stays at it when i tell him he could pull one of my reefers and be home evey 5-8 days and make twice as much. If you need to be home every night the only way you will make money trucking is to find a nich market in uour area. Something not many people do but there is a need for. Eveyone has a hopper so rates will never come up. In trucking you have to think outside the box and seperate yourself from the crowd. Its not a get rich quick deal. It is very long term and when you just think things are looking up a $10,000 repair will hit you so be prepared. Hope this helps you out. " Haha! 2 weeks at time! You guys talking crap on hoppers. Must not know the hopper game all. There is big money in this. Big problem is no one wants to run. 600 mile round trip. On a Saturday paid the. Truck 3.85 a bushel. And I'm on the east coast. Pulling a hopper is not for pretend truck drivers. It's fast paced. A lot of folks their weekends are more important than their paychecks. Gotta be willing to run. Being a truck driver is not a Monday thru Friday job.

Replied on Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 07:37 AM CST

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Quote: "Unless you plan on going out 2 weeks at a time you wont make any money hauling grain. Even then its tough. Might make just enough to keep you hanging on thinking it might turn better. Not much on this board that seems to pay very well. Your best bet is to get in with a few loacal elevators and haul for them. I mainly use this board for a few back haul loads if i haul beans to Sioux City. Just to see if there is any fertilizer coming back. The elevator pays me a round trip but if i can sneak in a back haul or two sure helps out. Even with the dedicated work from an elevator its not a get rich deal. I have other trucks on the road pulling reefers and i just use the grain to keep me busy while i dipatch them. I have a buddy pulling a hopper and he goes east coast to west. North to south and he is barely making it. Not sure why he stays at it when i tell him he could pull one of my reefers and be home evey 5-8 days and make twice as much. If you need to be home every night the only way you will make money trucking is to find a nich market in uour area. Something not many people do but there is a need for. Eveyone has a hopper so rates will never come up. In trucking you have to think outside the box and seperate yourself from the crowd. Its not a get rich quick deal. It is very long term and when you just think things are looking up a $10,000 repair will hit you so be prepared. Hope this helps you out. "

Haha! 2 weeks at time! You guys talking crap on hoppers. Must not know the hopper game all. There is big money in this. Big problem is no one wants to run. 600 mile round trip. On a Saturday paid the. Truck 3.85 a bushel. And I'm on the east coast. Pulling a hopper is not for pretend truck drivers. It's fast paced. A lot of folks their weekends are more important than their paychecks. Gotta be willing to run. Being a truck driver is not a Monday thru Friday job.

Replied on Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 01:04 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Do not get discouraged! We work with brokers that are looking for carriers for dedicated hopper runs in the Midwest states - Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Missouri, & Minnesota. If this was something you might be interested in, give me a call/text or email. Shola Philip 302-563-3784 [email protected] www.groundflowllc .com

Replied on Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 01:05 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Haha! 2 weeks at time! You guys talking crap on hoppers. Must not know the hopper game all. There is big money in this. Big problem is no one wants to run. 600 mile round trip. On a Saturday paid the. Truck 3.85 a bushel. And I'm on the east coast. Pulling a hopper is not for pretend truck drivers. It's fast paced. A lot of folks their weekends are more important than their paychecks. Gotta be willing to run. Being a truck driver is not a Monday thru Friday job." You in a different game dude than heartland grain belt America..Every famer and thier dg has 2 trucks Been that way for 30 years..Maryland pshhhh

Replied on Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 01:05 PM CST

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Quote: "Haha! 2 weeks at time! You guys talking crap on hoppers. Must not know the hopper game all. There is big money in this. Big problem is no one wants to run. 600 mile round trip. On a Saturday paid the. Truck 3.85 a bushel. And I'm on the east coast. Pulling a hopper is not for pretend truck drivers. It's fast paced. A lot of folks their weekends are more important than their paychecks. Gotta be willing to run. Being a truck driver is not a Monday thru Friday job."

You in a different game dude than heartland grain belt America..Every famer and thier dg has 2 trucks Been that way for 30 years..Maryland pshhhh

Replied on Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 01:05 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Haha! 2 weeks at time! You guys talking crap on hoppers. Must not know the hopper game all. There is big money in this. Big problem is no one wants to run. 600 mile round trip. On a Saturday paid the. Truck 3.85 a bushel. And I'm on the east coast. Pulling a hopper is not for pretend truck drivers. It's fast paced. A lot of folks their weekends are more important than their paychecks. Gotta be willing to run. Being a truck driver is not a Monday thru Friday job." Why don't you just prove everyone wrong and show us your gross for last quarter.... and hours worked.... and your divorce papers for neglecting your family!!

Replied on Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 01:05 PM CST

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Why don't you just prove everyone wrong and show us your gross for last quarter.... and hours worked.... and your divorce papers for neglecting your family!!

Replied on Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 04:31 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Why don't you just prove everyone wrong and show us your gross for last quarter.... and hours worked.... and your divorce papers for neglecting your family!!" Dale, you know no one in their right mind would give out that kind of information. Secondly to claim anyone is neglecting their family is stupid. Yes I'm sure it happens but don't paint with such a broad brush.

Replied on Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 04:31 PM CST

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Quote: "Why don't you just prove everyone wrong and show us your gross for last quarter.... and hours worked.... and your divorce papers for neglecting your family!!"

Dale, you know no one in their right mind would give out that kind of information. Secondly to claim anyone is neglecting their family is stupid. Yes I'm sure it happens but don't paint with such a broad brush.

Replied on Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 07:31 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Dale, you know no one in their right mind would give out that kind of information. Secondly to claim anyone is neglecting their family is stupid. Yes I'm sure it happens but don't paint with such a broad brush. " Dean. I'm 100 percent aware that nobody would give out that info. I didn't expect a response period because I don't believe his statement is true because according to safer, he doesn't have operating authority. As for my neglect comment, I think you've read enough of my crap to know I'm being sarcastic. Working 7 days a week doesn't make someone successful. But yes, you're right, I was moral grand standing about family time. Same as you about my rude comment. Take care Dean.

Replied on Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 07:31 AM CST

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Quote: "Dale, you know no one in their right mind would give out that kind of information. Secondly to claim anyone is neglecting their family is stupid. Yes I'm sure it happens but don't paint with such a broad brush. "

Dean. I'm 100 percent aware that nobody would give out that info. I didn't expect a response period because I don't believe his statement is true because according to safer, he doesn't have operating authority. As for my neglect comment, I think you've read enough of my crap to know I'm being sarcastic. Working 7 days a week doesn't make someone successful. But yes, you're right, I was moral grand standing about family time. Same as you about my rude comment. Take care Dean.

Replied on Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 06:25 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Hey buddy, Its really hard to source for some good bulk loads, but I sure can help you with the better loads, shoot me an email [email protected]

Replied on Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 07:48 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed Bulkloads seems to have become a haven for dispatch services?? I Chi Wa Wa....😳

Replied on Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 01:41 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Haha! 2 weeks at time! You guys talking crap on hoppers. Must not know the hopper game all. There is big money in this. Big problem is no one wants to run. 600 mile round trip. On a Saturday paid the. Truck 3.85 a bushel. And I'm on the east coast. Pulling a hopper is not for pretend truck drivers. It's fast paced. A lot of folks their weekends are more important than their paychecks. Gotta be willing to run. Being a truck driver is not a Monday thru Friday job." Im.on the East coast as well Id sure love to know whose paying 3.85 a bushel..please let me kno I'm home nightly There are plenty of grain elevators near me I can do between 2500 - 5000 weekly if I run hard ..there's money for hoppers location is key and your willingness to run

Replied on Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 01:41 PM CST

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Im.on the East coast as well Id sure love to know whose paying 3.85 a bushel..please let me kno I'm home nightly There are plenty of grain elevators near me I can do between 2500 - 5000 weekly if I run hard ..there's money for hoppers location is key and your willingness to run

Replied on Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 09:03 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Milton Ready give Ryan a call at Redding Transportation LLC/RC Trucking Inc. 620-437-6734. We are a broker and we have trucks and loads, and we are not far from you. We can run you for well over what your looking for if your willing to be out throughout the week.

Replied on Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 01:30 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Is it just me or has anyone else noticed Bulkloads seems to have become a haven for dispatch services?? I Chi Wa Wa....😳" I don’t care what they call themselves as long as I get the rate I want, but I think the main reason your seeing that is because the traditional trucking model is changing and evolving, instead of leasing to a carrier folks are going out and getting their own authority and hiring someone to find freight for them. Competition in the market has finally caught up to the brokers in the digital age of the internet, the brokers are now experiencing what the carriers were experiencing back in the 90’s, completion for labor. It’s all about self preservation in the race to the bottom.

Replied on Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 01:30 PM CST

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Quote: "Is it just me or has anyone else noticed Bulkloads seems to have become a haven for dispatch services?? I Chi Wa Wa....😳"

I don’t care what they call themselves as long as I get the rate I want, but I think the main reason your seeing that is because the traditional trucking model is changing and evolving, instead of leasing to a carrier folks are going out and getting their own authority and hiring someone to find freight for them. Competition in the market has finally caught up to the brokers in the digital age of the internet, the brokers are now experiencing what the carriers were experiencing back in the 90’s, completion for labor. It’s all about self preservation in the race to the bottom.

Replied on Thu, Sep 09, 2021 at 09:11 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "too many farmers do commercial hauling under their farm policy which covers them in the state of nd they cant go or not suppose to go out of state but nd has resaprocity with minnesota and sd 50 miles lot go to crookston and east grandforks or to aberdeen sd nothing a commercial hauler can do about that farmer in the area has 7 trucks and are all driver by the import workers they dont need a medical or even a cdl they haul all over the state mr farmer justs tells the elevetor that he hauls in he will haul out nothing happens the dot looks with a blind eye these farmers also haul fertilizer from point a to b without any worry very few farmers ever get pulled in not very many would pass a level one inspection dot sees farm plate and waves them thru while you are getting the once over now the drought has allowed the farmers and ranchers to haul hay or livestock fee from anyplace they want 3 loads came out to southern minnesota and crossed nd and went into montana one had no straps Flatbed isnt so hot now van hauling isnt bad but not great have a blessed day" Ten 4 on farmers hauling grain , all without mc number and a lot without dot number either . They tanking rates. Always have alway will

Replied on Thu, Sep 09, 2021 at 09:11 PM CST

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Quote: "too many farmers do commercial hauling under their farm policy which covers them in the state of nd they cant go or not suppose to go out of state but nd has resaprocity with minnesota and sd 50 miles lot go to crookston and east grandforks or to aberdeen sd nothing a commercial hauler can do about that farmer in the area has 7 trucks and are all driver by the import workers they dont need a medical or even a cdl they haul all over the state mr farmer justs tells the elevetor that he hauls in he will haul out nothing happens the dot looks with a blind eye these farmers also haul fertilizer from point a to b without any worry very few farmers ever get pulled in not very many would pass a level one inspection dot sees farm plate and waves them thru while you are getting the once over now the drought has allowed the farmers and ranchers to haul hay or livestock fee from anyplace they want 3 loads came out to southern minnesota and crossed nd and went into montana one had no straps Flatbed isnt so hot now van hauling isnt bad but not great have a blessed day"

Ten 4 on farmers hauling grain , all without mc number and a lot without dot number either . They tanking rates. Always have alway will

Replied on Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 08:17 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Ten 4 on farmers hauling grain , all without mc number and a lot without dot number either . They tanking rates. Always have alway will" From what I see, farmers are a small percentage. Sure, there are plenty of them hauling without credentials and that degrades the rates. But what percentage of people hauling local are farmers? I'd guess 25 percent. That means 75 percent of the reason the rates are low is due to commercial carriers who refuse to accept the personal responsibility for their own shortcomings. It's much easier to blame someone else. People who claim the DOT waves the farmers through and let's them get away with any violation are making up stories to help keep the attention on others for their own personal failures. In 4 years I've never seen a dot cop fail to jump on the opportunity to overhaul anybody. I've talked to elevators and brokers asking about this. The ones I've talked to claim they've never once given a load to someone without operating authority....that means a carrier must be commiting to x number of these loads and brokering them out to farmers under the table.

Replied on Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 08:17 AM CST

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Quote: "Ten 4 on farmers hauling grain , all without mc number and a lot without dot number either . They tanking rates. Always have alway will"

From what I see, farmers are a small percentage. Sure, there are plenty of them hauling without credentials and that degrades the rates. But what percentage of people hauling local are farmers? I'd guess 25 percent. That means 75 percent of the reason the rates are low is due to commercial carriers who refuse to accept the personal responsibility for their own shortcomings. It's much easier to blame someone else. People who claim the DOT waves the farmers through and let's them get away with any violation are making up stories to help keep the attention on others for their own personal failures. In 4 years I've never seen a dot cop fail to jump on the opportunity to overhaul anybody. I've talked to elevators and brokers asking about this. The ones I've talked to claim they've never once given a load to someone without operating authority....that means a carrier must be commiting to x number of these loads and brokering them out to farmers under the table.

Replied on Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 01:14 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Ten 4 on farmers hauling grain , all without mc number and a lot without dot number either . They tanking rates. Always have alway will" Nothing new...Been that way for many decades...Farmers are the original truckers..

Replied on Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 01:14 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. $4000 a week? Stop hauling all the cheap stuff. I have brokers offering $45/ton for 155 mile one way. Yes they want you to bounce back empty.

Replied on Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 01:14 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Ten 4 on farmers hauling grain , all without mc number and a lot without dot number either . They tanking rates. Always have alway will" Down here we have farmers with their own trucks that only use them to haul from the field to their tanks. They say they won't use them to haul grain out of the tanks because the rate is too low.

Replied on Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 09:55 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "From what I see, farmers are a small percentage. Sure, there are plenty of them hauling without credentials and that degrades the rates. But what percentage of people hauling local are farmers? I'd guess 25 percent. That means 75 percent of the reason the rates are low is due to commercial carriers who refuse to accept the personal responsibility for their own shortcomings. It's much easier to blame someone else. People who claim the DOT waves the farmers through and let's them get away with any violation are making up stories to help keep the attention on others for their own personal failures. In 4 years I've never seen a dot cop fail to jump on the opportunity to overhaul anybody. I've talked to elevators and brokers asking about this. The ones I've talked to claim they've never once given a load to someone without operating authority....that means a carrier must be commiting to x number of these loads and brokering them out to farmers under the table." Dale this is how the misconception is. Many farmers will sell their grain to the local coop or grain merchandiser. Coop manager will just go and tell farmer, we will pay you abc whatever $ more if you haul it yourself to our end user. example ethanol plant or river port. Coop saves money not having to pay their employees to handle it. Plus many of the farmers would rather deal with it on their own schedules.

Replied on Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 09:55 PM CST

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Quote: "From what I see, farmers are a small percentage. Sure, there are plenty of them hauling without credentials and that degrades the rates. But what percentage of people hauling local are farmers? I'd guess 25 percent. That means 75 percent of the reason the rates are low is due to commercial carriers who refuse to accept the personal responsibility for their own shortcomings. It's much easier to blame someone else. People who claim the DOT waves the farmers through and let's them get away with any violation are making up stories to help keep the attention on others for their own personal failures. In 4 years I've never seen a dot cop fail to jump on the opportunity to overhaul anybody. I've talked to elevators and brokers asking about this. The ones I've talked to claim they've never once given a load to someone without operating authority....that means a carrier must be commiting to x number of these loads and brokering them out to farmers under the table."

Dale this is how the misconception is. Many farmers will sell their grain to the local coop or grain merchandiser. Coop manager will just go and tell farmer, we will pay you abc whatever $ more if you haul it yourself to our end user. example ethanol plant or river port. Coop saves money not having to pay their employees to handle it. Plus many of the farmers would rather deal with it on their own schedules.

Replied on Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 08:34 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Was at ADM at velva Nd. 22 trucks 13 farmers no dot MC and all have bol from elevators all canola harvest has been done for a couple weeks Waiting for beans The farmers have been doing this since ADM opened

Replied on Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 12:42 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Was at ADM at velva Nd. 22 trucks 13 farmers no dot MC and all have bol from elevators all canola harvest has been done for a couple weeks Waiting for beans The farmers have been doing this since ADM opened " What was the company name on the bol? What elevator was the bol from? It's very possible I'm wrong. I've been wrong a million times. But I flat out do not believe you Greg. I'm in that area multiple times a week. Harvey, velva, Benedict, max, Minot, Stanley, powers lake and I don't ever see this farmer fleet. My guess is, a trucking company took the loads and is brokering them out to farmers without any brokerage credentials as well. Again, I could be wrong, I'm going to max on Tuesday, I'm happy to cruise by velva and have you show me in person . Because if it's happening on a large scale like some people claim, I'd love to be involved with putting a stop to something illegal.

Replied on Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 12:42 PM CST

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Quote: "Was at ADM at velva Nd. 22 trucks 13 farmers no dot MC and all have bol from elevators all canola harvest has been done for a couple weeks Waiting for beans The farmers have been doing this since ADM opened "

What was the company name on the bol? What elevator was the bol from? It's very possible I'm wrong. I've been wrong a million times. But I flat out do not believe you Greg. I'm in that area multiple times a week. Harvey, velva, Benedict, max, Minot, Stanley, powers lake and I don't ever see this farmer fleet. My guess is, a trucking company took the loads and is brokering them out to farmers without any brokerage credentials as well. Again, I could be wrong, I'm going to max on Tuesday, I'm happy to cruise by velva and have you show me in person . Because if it's happening on a large scale like some people claim, I'd love to be involved with putting a stop to something illegal.

Replied on Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 12:42 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Dale this is how the misconception is. Many farmers will sell their grain to the local coop or grain merchandiser. Coop manager will just go and tell farmer, we will pay you abc whatever $ more if you haul it yourself to our end user. example ethanol plant or river port. Coop saves money not having to pay their employees to handle it. Plus many of the farmers would rather deal with it on their own schedules. " I'm with you on that. Back when I farmed, the elevator gave me a 10 cent premium to go directly to the ethanol plant. But I owned it until it unloaded so it's legal. Plus, what commercial carriers is content to haul anything for 10 cents a bushel?

Replied on Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 12:42 PM CST

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Quote: "Dale this is how the misconception is. Many farmers will sell their grain to the local coop or grain merchandiser. Coop manager will just go and tell farmer, we will pay you abc whatever $ more if you haul it yourself to our end user. example ethanol plant or river port. Coop saves money not having to pay their employees to handle it. Plus many of the farmers would rather deal with it on their own schedules. "

I'm with you on that. Back when I farmed, the elevator gave me a 10 cent premium to go directly to the ethanol plant. But I owned it until it unloaded so it's legal. Plus, what commercial carriers is content to haul anything for 10 cents a bushel?

Replied on Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 05:41 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "What was the company name on the bol? What elevator was the bol from? It's very possible I'm wrong. I've been wrong a million times. But I flat out do not believe you Greg. I'm in that area multiple times a week. Harvey, velva, Benedict, max, Minot, Stanley, powers lake and I don't ever see this farmer fleet. My guess is, a trucking company took the loads and is brokering them out to farmers without any brokerage credentials as well. Again, I could be wrong, I'm going to max on Tuesday, I'm happy to cruise by velva and have you show me in person . Because if it's happening on a large scale like some people claim, I'd love to be involved with putting a stop to something illegal." Renville and pl.

Replied on Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 05:41 PM CST

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Quote: "What was the company name on the bol? What elevator was the bol from? It's very possible I'm wrong. I've been wrong a million times. But I flat out do not believe you Greg. I'm in that area multiple times a week. Harvey, velva, Benedict, max, Minot, Stanley, powers lake and I don't ever see this farmer fleet. My guess is, a trucking company took the loads and is brokering them out to farmers without any brokerage credentials as well. Again, I could be wrong, I'm going to max on Tuesday, I'm happy to cruise by velva and have you show me in person . Because if it's happening on a large scale like some people claim, I'd love to be involved with putting a stop to something illegal."

Renville and pl.

Replied on Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 05:41 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Renville and pl." Pulling out of the elevator and using the ADM card for pl elevator. if they get stopped how do you prove it isn't their own canola when it is in a drought area they don't pull in the winter or run to enderlin or to cargill.

Replied on Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 06:59 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Down here we have farmers with their own trucks that only use them to haul from the field to their tanks. They say they won't use them to haul grain out of the tanks because the rate is too low. " This makes no sense..They haul out of thier own bins by the bushel.

Replied on Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 09:00 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "This makes no sense..They haul out of thier own bins by the bushel. " What does by the bushel have to do with anything? They sell the grain to one of the big ones. Rather than haul it out with their trucks, they let the company they sold to arrange to haul it out because what the buyer was paying was not enough for them to crank up their trucks..Makes plenty of sense to them, I guess.

Replied on Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 09:00 PM CST

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Quote: "This makes no sense..They haul out of thier own bins by the bushel. "

What does by the bushel have to do with anything? They sell the grain to one of the big ones. Rather than haul it out with their trucks, they let the company they sold to arrange to haul it out because what the buyer was paying was not enough for them to crank up their trucks..Makes plenty of sense to them, I guess.

Replied on Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 03:41 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. If a Farmer haul their own grain from the farm and sell it through a Elevotor and has a contract with the elevoter to dump it at the plant like ADM , Cargill or ect the is legal

Replied on Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 08:09 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Renville and pl." Greg, I see your point that it's a gray area in your eyes for a farmer to haul that grain to adm like that. But it's their grain. In most cases it's coming right out of the field or bin. In my opinion there are very few cases of elevators hiring people without authority to haul grain for them on a for hire basis. And if someone wants a law passed to make it illegal for someone to truck their own grain.... well that's a level of liberalism I can't entertain. I'm not defending farmers, there definitely are some out there hauling illegal, the ones I've seen are getting loads brokered to them through trucking companies. Plus many farmer drivers are pretty aggressive and arrogant behind the wheel. My biggest annoyance in cities is traffic, my biggest annoyance in the middle of nowhere is a farmer running a stop sign in front of me , only to turn off that highway a quarter mile later, (which is the reason I take hwy 83 to max instead of 52, Greg will understand that one, but that's a separate argument. Long story short, hopper rates are low because there's tons of competition because there's the potential to be home more, and it's my opinion that the farmers are a tiny piece of that puzzle. If their really were all these fringe benefits to having a farmer plate and no insurance, why wouldn't you drop all of your credentials?

Replied on Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 08:09 AM CST

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Quote: "Renville and pl."

Greg, I see your point that it's a gray area in your eyes for a farmer to haul that grain to adm like that. But it's their grain. In most cases it's coming right out of the field or bin. In my opinion there are very few cases of elevators hiring people without authority to haul grain for them on a for hire basis. And if someone wants a law passed to make it illegal for someone to truck their own grain.... well that's a level of liberalism I can't entertain. I'm not defending farmers, there definitely are some out there hauling illegal, the ones I've seen are getting loads brokered to them through trucking companies. Plus many farmer drivers are pretty aggressive and arrogant behind the wheel. My biggest annoyance in cities is traffic, my biggest annoyance in the middle of nowhere is a farmer running a stop sign in front of me , only to turn off that highway a quarter mile later, (which is the reason I take hwy 83 to max instead of 52, Greg will understand that one, but that's a separate argument. Long story short, hopper rates are low because there's tons of competition because there's the potential to be home more, and it's my opinion that the farmers are a tiny piece of that puzzle. If their really were all these fringe benefits to having a farmer plate and no insurance, why wouldn't you drop all of your credentials?

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. call csc logistics 620-213-2435

Replied on Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 01:00 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. For the first time in many years trucking is getting to where the rates should have been over a year ago already. The bulk bussiness is accually having problems finding trucks now because the rates have lagged so far behiond everything else for far to long and lost a lot of haulers. Now the the rates are getting so good brokers are even appling for a CDL. (Thats a joke, we all know that will never happen.)

Replied on Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 01:00 PM CST

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For the first time in many years trucking is getting to where the rates should have been over a year ago already. The bulk bussiness is accually having problems finding trucks now because the rates have lagged so far behiond everything else for far to long and lost a lot of haulers. Now the the rates are getting so good brokers are even appling for a CDL. (Thats a joke, we all know that will never happen.)

Replied on Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 09:30 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. If it took them this long to screw stuff up, just think how long it will take them to fix it? Look around it’s not 1974 anymore, nobody wants do this anymore, all the freedom of the road is gone man, now it’s constant workplace surveillance, even if you own the business comrade, but outside the world of trucking is FA (Free America), where you can still run a business your way, (for now), and your employees can feed a family on 40 hours of sweat.

Replied on Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 09:30 PM CST

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If it took them this long to screw stuff up, just think how long it will take them to fix it? Look around it’s not 1974 anymore, nobody wants do this anymore, all the freedom of the road is gone man, now it’s constant workplace surveillance, even if you own the business comrade, but outside the world of trucking is FA (Free America), where you can still run a business your way, (for now), and your employees can feed a family on 40 hours of sweat.

Replied on Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 05:46 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Where I do good and stay a float is them apple loads out Washington to Michigan but I am also gone 2 to 3 weeks at a time been doing it a year not way ahead but I'm more ahead now then I was 6 months ago it's tough starting off but no matter how hard it gets don't quit I got a list of guys I get loads from now so works out better

Replied on Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 07:02 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Adam, what are your best loads to get you out to Washington?

Replied on Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:11 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. You need to associate feed products into the grain to make anything Also I run a local daycab that scales 28 ton

Replied on Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 09:05 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Renville and pl." Renville and powers lake is full of em, I know a guy who works for a farmer, he runs their semi to velva all the time with no numbers, or a cdl!

Replied on Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 12:27 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Renville and powers lake is full of em, I know a guy who works for a farmer, he runs their semi to velva all the time with no numbers, or a cdl!" Dale Herman. Do you still call it bullshit about farmers doing commercial hauling without the proper licensing

Replied on Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 12:28 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Here's what every one should do..All non farm trucks put a farm name on the door and all farm trucks put some fake numbers onn the truck too...Now everybody go and do what ever ya want and dodge the scales...

Replied on Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 01:00 PM CST

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Quote: "Dale Herman. Do you still call it bullshit about farmers doing commercial hauling without the proper licensing "

Greg, I will never believe a claim that's not backed up by evidence. Who owns the grain in their trailer? Someone else mentioned that the elevators may be having them take the farmers own grain directly from the field to velva and selling it in the elevators name. If so, it's the farmers grain. I also don't believe your claim that dot waves farmers by. I believe in personal responsibility and taking ownership of your own business. Take some responsibility and turn them in, or give me their info and I'll do it. But I don't expect you to have that information because it's not illegal for a farmer to haul their own grain. You are looking for someone to blame for your own difficulties. If I'm wrong, provide me the evidence and I'll own up to being wrong. I truck in those same place multiple times a week and don't see what you see and the elevators I talk to disagree with you as well. Respectfully, Dale Hermans, with an "s" at the end

Replied on Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 09:01 PM CST

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Quote: "Greg, I will never believe a claim that's not backed up by evidence. Who owns the grain in their trailer? Someone else mentioned that the elevators may be having them take the farmers own grain directly from the field to velva and selling it in the elevators name. If so, it's the farmers grain. I also don't believe your claim that dot waves farmers by. I believe in personal responsibility and taking ownership of your own business. Take some responsibility and turn them in, or give me their info and I'll do it. But I don't expect you to have that information because it's not illegal for a farmer to haul their own grain. You are looking for someone to blame for your own difficulties. If I'm wrong, provide me the evidence and I'll own up to being wrong. I truck in those same place multiple times a week and don't see what you see and the elevators I talk to disagree with you as well. Respectfully, Dale Hermans, with an "s" at the end"

Dump wheat. Load canola to velva.

Replied on Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 06:55 PM CST

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Its a monday through thursday 1 load per day job for me

Replied on Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 06:55 PM CST

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Quote: "I haul quite a bit of grain,but I only haul farmer direct! If I can't get $4.50-$5 a loaded mile,it doesn't go on my truck.it can sit for all I care.I can usually grav fertilizer on the way back."

that kind of rate may be great when you got plenty of miles to travel to deliver the grain but short distance is going to kill you and if you have more than 30 min. wait time to load or unload then that is going to kill you also. I don't mess with grain much at all anymore. Feed ingredients pays alot better and I look for loads that need to haul 2 to 4 hours away to be delivered and I get a rate that coveres both ways all miles driven.

Replied on Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 10:47 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Its a monday through thursday 1 load per day job for me " Absolutely😉