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Insurance premium on new truck

Mar 17, 2021 at 02:01 AM CST
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I am thinking of leading a international lonestar 2021. So about 160k truck.

Anyone know the average amount of a premium on a new truck ?

Have not heard back from ooida yet. Trying to figure out if hauling grain from ks area will pay for that truck and a 65k trailer.

Thanks

Replied on Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 09:48 AM CST

with now? Seems like they could give you a quote pretty quick and accurate to your situation

Replied on Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:58 AM CST
Quote: "with now? Seems like they could give you a quote pretty quick and accurate to your situation"

Should proof read before I post. Meant to ask....who are you with now?

Replied on Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM CST
Quote: "Should proof read before I post. Meant to ask....who are you with now?"

No one. Just thinking on buying a tractor/trailer . Trying to figure out if hauling grain can even pay for new equipment.

Got to add it all up so I know how much cash I will have to borrow to cover insurance, down payments, ... I know last time I got a quote it was from ooida. Think it was 9k or something on a 25k truck. So I am just figuring that truck for 160k is going to have a hefty premium on it. I am just wanting to know if anyone has a newer truck so I can have an idea of what the premiums are.

Ooida takes several weeks to give a quote.

Replied on Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 01:49 PM CST
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Quote: "No one. Just thinking on buying a tractor/trailer . Trying to figure out if hauling grain can even pay for new equipment. Got to add it all up so I know how much cash I will have to borrow to cover insurance, down payments, ... I know last time I got a quote it was from ooida. Think it was 9k or something on a 25k truck. So I am just figuring that truck for 160k is going to have a hefty premium on it. I am just wanting to know if anyone has a newer truck so I can have an idea of what the premiums are. Ooida takes several weeks to give a quote. "

Not trying to be a d*ck but grain trailers are called welfare wagon for a reason. Good luck paying for that new truck with cheap grain
Replied on Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 07:43 AM CST
Quote: "Not trying to be a d*ck but grain trailers are called welfare wagon for a reason. Good luck paying for that new truck with cheap grain"

I know. That is why I'm getting insurance quote ahead. I have no clue what insurance on a new truck costs.

I would haul ag but then I have to install wetkit and tear up a new truck.

I was looking at a ad here for 17 with delete. But then I have to trust that person who did delete knows what they are doing. Done been through that nightmare. Good price on trucks though.

I guess I'll call my insurance and check. They only do damage etc , no freight , but I don't need freight anyway. It will be high but at least I'll have an idea.

Replied on Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 09:09 AM CST

Well problem solved.

4 - 5000 a year since I would running under someone else's authority. So add in 10% for using their authority, which I think is reasonable.

Would be 25k or so if I got my own new authority.

Replied on Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 09:51 AM CST
Quote: "I know. That is why I'm getting insurance quote ahead. I have no clue what insurance on a new truck costs. I would haul ag but then I have to install wetkit and tear up a new truck. I was looking at a ad here for 17 with delete. But then I have to trust that person who did delete knows what they are doing. Done been through that nightmare. Good price on trucks though. I guess I'll call my insurance and check. They only do damage etc , no freight , but I don't need freight anyway. It will be high but at least I'll have an idea. "

Personally I run a wet kit and if installed correctly you dont tear nothing up. The company I haul for part time install wet kits on all their new trucks and you would never know it. I'd go where the money is and I'm sure you'd make more haul with a wet kit
Replied on Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 02:22 PM CST
Quote: "Personally I run a wet kit and if installed correctly you dont tear nothing up. The company I haul for part time install wet kits on all their new trucks and you would never know it. I'd go where the money is and I'm sure you'd make more haul with a wet kit"

I should have made my words more clear.

I meant tearing up a new truck hauling rock etc.

I used to haul rock. Made good money and came home daily. But I don't know that there is enough money doing that again to make a good living. Looking on load board I don't see many end dump loads. I think the locals got all the good contracts grabbed up.

I was going with grain again cuz I know there are loads but I really don't like doing it

Replied on Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 03:05 PM CST

Dan Eischens

A wet kit would require me to come up with more cash for that install plus probably month more in truck/trailer payments out if pocket.

It would be doable if I can find a lender that will loan me unsecured business cash. Not sure if that is going to happen with all these covid loans going out.

I have not checked with any brokers about end dump loads around these parts.

Locally lots of dirt and road stuff but that don't pay. All the salt contracts for winter is already grabbed up by two companies here. That made me good money as company driver.

Replied on Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 06:06 AM CST
Quote: "I should have made my words more clear. I meant tearing up a new truck hauling rock etc. I used to haul rock. Made good money and came home daily. But I don't know that there is enough money doing that again to make a good living. Looking on load board I don't see many end dump loads. I think the locals got all the good contracts grabbed up. I was going with grain again cuz I know there are loads but I really don't like doing it"

Yes you should have reworded that post. Hauling end dump I'd imagine is rough. I've never done it. But do know most carriers will install the neccessary equipment and finance you. With that being said that's another subject to get into. The wtmrokg carrier will starve you as long as they are getting their payment. Which I'm sure you had figured out. Good luck which ever route you go
Replied on Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 07:47 AM CST
Borrowing down payment and start up costs? Do you have a get away vehicle and a plan of how far to run if it folds. When I started my accountant advised me to formulate a plan of going out of business. He said people dont think about that when they are excited to start something. Hauling grain might require a 10 yr old daycab freightliner unless you get a decent contract. Its a dog eat dog world and some veterans in the industry avoid upgrades to avoid payments.
Replied on Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 08:34 AM CST

With a good record, 1200-1500.

Great West is usually cheaper if you can get in with them.

Nan

Replied on Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 02:18 PM CST

I have very cheap Insurance, some of ya will say what? I have a old but good truck 1993, i have no tickets or wrecks and am 45 years old.....Full coverage on rig and liability on trailer is 840/month.. Progressive through Farm Bureau... If you are young and truck is new and you live in a blue state near a city I can see why it is double of what mine is... And about the grain hauling I just don't know..I have broke many pencils trying to figure it out..I cant understand how these guys hauling for 2.50 are doing it.. Need at least 3.00.....Any how I went a different route than grain running.. Good luck..

Replied on Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 05:38 PM CST
Quote: "I have very cheap Insurance, some of ya will say what? I have a old but good truck 1993, i have no tickets or wrecks and am 45 years old.....Full coverage on rig and liability on trailer is 840/month.. Progressive through Farm Bureau... If you are young and truck is new and you live in a blue state near a city I can see why it is double of what mine is... And about the grain hauling I just don't know..I have broke many pencils trying to figure it out..I cant understand how these guys hauling for 2.50 are doing it.. Need at least 3.00.....Any how I went a different route than grain running.. Good luck.."

Well around here anyway we almost always had a backload of fertilizer or something to at least pay the fuel bill. Better than running 250 miles empty. But it is hard.

That is why I am going with new truck and a lease. Cost more to lease but tax savings if you turn in every two years. Plus probably less breakdowns.

I might go with hauling something else though. Just depends on loads around area.

Replied on Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 05:38 PM CST
Quote: "With a good record, 1200-1500. Great West is usually cheaper if you can get in with them. Nan"

I talked to them. On 165k truck they said around 4 -5 k a year if I run under another's authority that has a decent safety record.

I can live with that.

Now just need to find a loan. Got 28k in bank. Will need most of that to get going and run until cash flows in. I doubt SBA would fund me. But there is a couple other options.

I found a place that only funds truck drivers for startups, equipment etc. Family owned. Unfortunately I deleted the page from browser and can't find the place now.

Oh well, got to keep on working at it.

Replied on Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 05:38 PM CST
Quote: "Yes you should have reworded that post. Hauling end dump I'd imagine is rough. I've never done it. But do know most carriers will install the neccessary equipment and finance you. With that being said that's another subject to get into. The wtmrokg carrier will starve you as long as they are getting their payment. Which I'm sure you had figured out. Good luck which ever route you go"

Yep. I'm trying to avoid leasing on with anyone . There is benefits I guess, tires, fuel savings etc but I'd rather pull my own trailer and get my own loads.

I will just buy a truck and lease on if I have to. Hopefully I don't.

Replied on Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 05:38 PM CST
Quote: "Borrowing down payment and start up costs? Do you have a get away vehicle and a plan of how far to run if it folds. When I started my accountant advised me to formulate a plan of going out of business. He said people dont think about that when they are excited to start something. Hauling grain might require a 10 yr old daycab freightliner unless you get a decent contract. Its a dog eat dog world and some veterans in the industry avoid upgrades to avoid payments."

My plan is to not fold. But even if I run my own tractor/trailer getting my own loads and it just can't pay the bills, I can always lease on to a decent outfit . But I see no reason why I can't make enough to pay the bills. Likely ain't gonna get rich but I ain't gonna get rich working a 9-5 job. So only change is I won't be home every day. Been doing that anyway for last 6 years.

Got a little job now. I do nothing. 5 mph up the shoulder of highway in a small dump truck. 15 an hour. If it was full time instead of not and no work if bad weather , I'd keep this job. But it don't pay the bills. But it sure is easy money.

Replied on Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 02:33 PM CST
I dont want to sound negative. Good luck whichever way you go.
Replied on Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 04:50 PM CST
Quote: "I dont want to sound negative. Good luck whichever way you go."

thanks.

Replied on Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 07:27 AM CST
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New or old truck the insurance cost is about the same be within a $1000

same goes for the trailers doesn't seem to matter the age it goes by type and use

Replied on Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 07:27 AM CST
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There's more money in gravel than grain but yes it's harder on the truck

I'd still put a wet line on your truck that way you are more versatile

Replied on Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 07:30 AM CST
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Look Marcus im not trying to pick on you, but!!!. Do you realize the down falls of that truck? A loadstar bumper $4-5000. Its easy to tear up at a dairy. The hvac system is the worst in the industry. Hard truck to resell. Pick something else. Get something you can fix or baby thru a problem, chrome won't get you home. Older trk no eld, get money in bank. Talk to prospective people that will load you first. That is the last truck for a start up. Sorry but you keep asking for the forum to get you going. Art Pfluger
Replied on Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 03:07 PM CST
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Quote: "Not trying to be a d*ck but grain trailers are called welfare wagon for a reason. Good luck paying for that new truck with cheap grain"

Grain is not cheap...Its up about 50% from a year ago..These brokers and rates are plumb ridiculous..

Replied on Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 07:52 AM CST

That's what I thought. Hopper freight has been better than anything else for a couple years. The scalpers have been making a pretty good bonus check for the last year according to what they want to pay. And the rock trucks are the ones hauling for nothing around our part of the world.

Replied on Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 07:52 AM CST
Quote: "There's more money in gravel than grain but yes it's harder on the truck I'd still put a wet line on your truck that way you are more versatile "

I had plans of doing that. If I managed to get going with hopper I was planning on paying that off and then installing a wetkit and buying a end dump some day, if I live that long. I was also thinking of just doing end dump
Replied on Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 07:52 AM CST
Quote: "Look Marcus im not trying to pick on you, but!!!. Do you realize the down falls of that truck? A loadstar bumper $4-5000. Its easy to tear up at a dairy. The hvac system is the worst in the industry. Hard truck to resell. Pick something else. Get something you can fix or baby thru a problem, chrome won't get you home. Older trk no eld, get money in bank. Talk to prospective people that will load you first. That is the last truck for a start up. Sorry but you keep asking for the forum to get you going. Art Pfluger"

Very good point. I was just thinking on it because they would lease it to me. So will frieghtliner but I have had my fill of them. However I did find a nice pete with the x15. Going to try and strike a deal on that as soon as I get ahold of someone to pay to run under their authority, if I can also buy a trailer , that might not be possible right now. If not I will just lease on to grain or rock hauler .
Replied on Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 03:36 PM CST

I run under my authority with a 16 Freightliner and a 19 Wilson hopperbottom I bought new.

I stay in my "lane" 500 mile radius, that's also all I pay for in insurance radius, 1 million liability and 100k cargo costs 15,250/year.

Replied on Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 07:29 PM CST

The liability and cargo should be close to the same but the physical damage will be higher in 160K. Mine runs about $3.25 per $100 per year.

Replied on Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 08:16 PM CST
I found better rates and insurance not using ooida
Replied on Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 07:33 AM CST

in a word or 2 Hell no. You better work 24-7

Replied on Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 07:41 AM CST
Quote: "Very good point. I was just thinking on it because they would lease it to me. So will frieghtliner but I have had my fill of them. However I did find a nice pete with the x15. Going to try and strike a deal on that as soon as I get ahold of someone to pay to run under their authority, if I can also buy a trailer , that might not be possible right now. If not I will just lease on to grain or rock hauler ."

We are out of sw Kansas have a 17 hopper sitting aluminum package light trailer! We are running loads to wichita and back to sw Kansas also bouncing grain not to bad rates compared to alot others and we don't haul Rock thats the worst business to get into with a hopper. Give me a call can get you rolling quick! 620-four51-ten16
Replied on Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 07:41 AM CST
Quote: "We are out of sw Kansas have a 17 hopper sitting aluminum package light trailer! We are running loads to wichita and back to sw Kansas also bouncing grain not to bad rates compared to alot others and we don't haul Rock thats the worst business to get into with a hopper. Give me a call can get you rolling quick! 620-four51-ten16"

Also our insurance premium is cheap clean records only way to keep em low