WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR WASHOUTS

Mar 08, 2023 at 12:56 PM CST + 7
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Why, The tanker Industry owner/operators don't pay. It is a add on charge to the previous company we just hauled for

Replied on Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 03:41 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. The reason is because people let them get away with it. It's no different than a tank in my opinion. Here's another one for you. Why can't you get detention, or a fuel surcharge with a hopper? The reason is the same, people let them get away with not paying it...Heck, one more for you... You can't load or unload a hopper on every corner like an open deck or box, why then aren't rates comparable to tank rates? Aren't they just as specialized? I'm on a roll and can't help myself. When people talk of the freight rates dropping, they are using the general freight market as a benchmark. Why is that? I've never seen tanks, hoppers, and heavy haul trends like they have for the general freight market, however they sure try to lump us into the general freight market when they are tryiing to push rates down....EVERY market analysis I've ever seen is Dry van, reefer, and flatbed specific, so don't use that as your benchmark when quoting freight outside that segment.. OK, I'm done have a good evening!

Replied on Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 03:41 PM CST

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The reason is because people let them get away with it. It's no different than a tank in my opinion. Here's another one for you. Why can't you get detention, or a fuel surcharge with a hopper? The reason is the same, people let them get away with not paying it...Heck, one more for you... You can't load or unload a hopper on every corner like an open deck or box, why then aren't rates comparable to tank rates? Aren't they just as specialized? I'm on a roll and can't help myself. When people talk of the freight rates dropping, they are using the general freight market as a benchmark. Why is that? I've never seen tanks, hoppers, and heavy haul trends like they have for the general freight market, however they sure try to lump us into the general freight market when they are tryiing to push rates down....EVERY market analysis I've ever seen is Dry van, reefer, and flatbed specific, so don't use that as your benchmark when quoting freight outside that segment.. OK, I'm done have a good evening!

Replied on Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 07:53 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "The reason is because people let them get away with it. It's no different than a tank in my opinion. Here's another one for you. Why can't you get detention, or a fuel surcharge with a hopper? The reason is the same, people let them get away with not paying it...Heck, one more for you... You can't load or unload a hopper on every corner like an open deck or box, why then aren't rates comparable to tank rates? Aren't they just as specialized? I'm on a roll and can't help myself. When people talk of the freight rates dropping, they are using the general freight market as a benchmark. Why is that? I've never seen tanks, hoppers, and heavy haul trends like they have for the general freight market, however they sure try to lump us into the general freight market when they are tryiing to push rates down....EVERY market analysis I've ever seen is Dry van, reefer, and flatbed specific, so don't use that as your benchmark when quoting freight outside that segment.. OK, I'm done have a good evening!" If a load requires a washout (before or after the load) it should be priced higher to compensate... But when it comes to the bone/blood/litter loads I've seen listed it rarely does. When I hauled livestock a washout was often required and a lot of the time you were only loaded one way. The amount of haulers available that were TQA/BQA with expensive cattle/hog trailers were limited, so the price per mile was usually pretty good i.e $4.50 to $6.00 a mile. It's just a way different deal when it comes to hopper work, there is nothing specialized about it, no wet kit, blower, or pump required to run a hopper.... and if a guy/gal only hauls feed ingredients you don't have to have HAZMAT. Looking at the cost of ownership, a new hopper is only $10,000 to $20,000 more than a new van trailer, so the market gets flooded easily. When it comes to rates a hopper has to compete with dump, belt, and walking floor trailers that can haul both ways, the only advantage to a hopper is that they are light... I had a hopper and sold it years ago.

Replied on Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 07:53 PM CST

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Quote: "The reason is because people let them get away with it. It's no different than a tank in my opinion. Here's another one for you. Why can't you get detention, or a fuel surcharge with a hopper? The reason is the same, people let them get away with not paying it...Heck, one more for you... You can't load or unload a hopper on every corner like an open deck or box, why then aren't rates comparable to tank rates? Aren't they just as specialized? I'm on a roll and can't help myself. When people talk of the freight rates dropping, they are using the general freight market as a benchmark. Why is that? I've never seen tanks, hoppers, and heavy haul trends like they have for the general freight market, however they sure try to lump us into the general freight market when they are tryiing to push rates down....EVERY market analysis I've ever seen is Dry van, reefer, and flatbed specific, so don't use that as your benchmark when quoting freight outside that segment.. OK, I'm done have a good evening!"

If a load requires a washout (before or after the load) it should be priced higher to compensate... But when it comes to the bone/blood/litter loads I've seen listed it rarely does.

When I hauled livestock a washout was often required and a lot of the time you were only loaded one way. The amount of haulers available that were TQA/BQA with expensive cattle/hog trailers were limited, so the price per mile was usually pretty good i.e $4.50 to $6.00 a mile.

It's just a way different deal when it comes to hopper work, there is nothing specialized about it, no wet kit, blower, or pump required to run a hopper.... and if a guy/gal only hauls feed ingredients you don't have to have HAZMAT. Looking at the cost of ownership, a new hopper is only $10,000 to $20,000 more than a new van trailer, so the market gets flooded easily. When it comes to rates a hopper has to compete with dump, belt, and walking floor trailers that can haul both ways, the only advantage to a hopper is that they are light... I had a hopper and sold it years ago.

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 06:44 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "The reason is because people let them get away with it. It's no different than a tank in my opinion. Here's another one for you. Why can't you get detention, or a fuel surcharge with a hopper? The reason is the same, people let them get away with not paying it...Heck, one more for you... You can't load or unload a hopper on every corner like an open deck or box, why then aren't rates comparable to tank rates? Aren't they just as specialized? I'm on a roll and can't help myself. When people talk of the freight rates dropping, they are using the general freight market as a benchmark. Why is that? I've never seen tanks, hoppers, and heavy haul trends like they have for the general freight market, however they sure try to lump us into the general freight market when they are tryiing to push rates down....EVERY market analysis I've ever seen is Dry van, reefer, and flatbed specific, so don't use that as your benchmark when quoting freight outside that segment.. OK, I'm done have a good evening!" Heck, you should have asked for it then, can't get something if you don't ask for it. I've gotten detention pay and fuel surcharge on hopper loads more than once, granted the fuel surcharge was in a area that I could gross more than 80k legally. That being said, shouldn't fuel surcharges already be figured into the rate because for the most part you can only load 25T??

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 06:44 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Heck, you should have asked for it then, can't get something if you don't ask for it. I've gotten detention pay and fuel surcharge on hopper loads more than once, granted the fuel surcharge was in a area that I could gross more than 80k legally. That being said, shouldn't fuel surcharges already be figured into the rate because for the most part you can only load 25T??

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 09:01 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Heck, you should have asked for it then, can't get something if you don't ask for it. I've gotten detention pay and fuel surcharge on hopper loads more than once, granted the fuel surcharge was in a area that I could gross more than 80k legally. That being said, shouldn't fuel surcharges already be figured into the rate because for the most part you can only load 25T??" Oh, I have asked for it, every time. You would think I was speaking a foreign language. There is no way a reasonable fuel surcharge, or washout is figured in on a $3.00 a mile rate. Tank work is usually bid on a rate per mile + +, meaning RPM + fuel surcharge, and + tank wash. Or, you can do an all in rate by figuring up the afore mentioned equasion, then doing the math for who ever wants an all in rate.

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 09:01 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Heck, you should have asked for it then, can't get something if you don't ask for it. I've gotten detention pay and fuel surcharge on hopper loads more than once, granted the fuel surcharge was in a area that I could gross more than 80k legally. That being said, shouldn't fuel surcharges already be figured into the rate because for the most part you can only load 25T??"

Oh, I have asked for it, every time. You would think I was speaking a foreign language. There is no way a reasonable fuel surcharge, or washout is figured in on a $3.00 a mile rate. Tank work is usually bid on a rate per mile + +, meaning RPM + fuel surcharge, and + tank wash. Or, you can do an all in rate by figuring up the afore mentioned equasion, then doing the math for who ever wants an all in rate.

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 09:02 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Washouts are an requirement with our business. If your dealing with any company who doesnt want to pay for them, you need to walk away. Most people will reimburess you with invoice and ticket. I personally price them into all my rates. The biggest problem is, the washout is always changing. How do you find the closest most convienant washout for each driver? You can spend half your day figuring it out. The price is always going up. They are all kinds of differant prices across the country. You need to have a firm handle on the what, when and where for washouts to be successful in this buisness. We use a tool called www.hopperwash.com to help us with these questions.

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 09:02 AM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Washouts are an requirement with our business. If your dealing with any company who doesnt want to pay for them, you need to walk away. Most people will reimburess you with invoice and ticket.

I personally price them into all my rates. The biggest problem is, the washout is always changing. How do you find the closest most convienant washout for each driver? You can spend half your day figuring it out. The price is always going up. They are all kinds of differant prices across the country. You need to have a firm handle on the what, when and where for washouts to be successful in this buisness. We use a tool called www.hopperwash.com to help us with these questions.

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 08:47 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. That's up to you to ask for it .. Remember this Someone will always do it cheaper

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 08:47 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Oh, I have asked for it, every time. You would think I was speaking a foreign language. There is no way a reasonable fuel surcharge, or washout is figured in on a $3.00 a mile rate. Tank work is usually bid on a rate per mile + +, meaning RPM + fuel surcharge, and + tank wash. Or, you can do an all in rate by figuring up the afore mentioned equasion, then doing the math for who ever wants an all in rate. " Liquid bulk must be slow, because the other day I spotted a farmers oil truck pulling a curtinside through the twin cities.

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 08:47 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Oh, I have asked for it, every time. You would think I was speaking a foreign language. There is no way a reasonable fuel surcharge, or washout is figured in on a $3.00 a mile rate. Tank work is usually bid on a rate per mile + +, meaning RPM + fuel surcharge, and + tank wash. Or, you can do an all in rate by figuring up the afore mentioned equasion, then doing the math for who ever wants an all in rate. "

Liquid bulk must be slow, because the other day I spotted a farmers oil truck pulling a curtinside through the twin cities.

Replied on Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 02:34 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Liquid bulk must be slow, because the other day I spotted a farmers oil truck pulling a curtinside through the twin cities." Yes, It has slowed down considerably, and the rates have dropped just like everybody elses.