Want be a bulk hauler

Apr 26, 2020 at 01:21 PM CST + 16 - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. How do you become a bulk hauler I have been driving for 21 years and I would like to own my own truck and hopper bottom trailer can anyone could give me any advice. Thanks.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 08:36 AM CST + 2 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Don't

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:04 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Do you have any contacts in the business. Going in blind is a mistake. Buy a good solid used truck and a solid hopper bottom. Do you have any idea of what commodities you want to haul. That will make a big impact on the trailer you need to buy. Be sure you have operating authority and insurance. The big thing you want to do is to determine what it costs to run that equipment and how much money you need to operate on. Talk to other bulk haulers and ask questions. Bulk hauling is really tight right now and you have to know what your operating costs are to even begin to think about taking the plunge. Decide if you are going to commit on hauling exclusively for a particular shipper or if you are going to align yourself with (oh gasp the horror of the thought) a broker. Make sure you check out the broker thoroughly. There are some good ones out there and there are some shady ones out there. You want to make sure you are going to get paid for your efforts. You will need to check out the shipper the same way. There are some shippers that I have no problem working with and there are some that I don't trust any further than I could throw them. Again, getting paid is the objective. This is not a hobby or a vacation. Bulk hauling is a tough business, emphasis on business and if you don't treat it as such you are in trouble from the get go.. I am sure there are many experts on this forum that will give you their opinions as well. Take all the information you can get and weigh the pros and cons thoroughly before you invest in equipment insurance and authority because they are all expensive. Make sure you have good accounting and legal advice as well. That may cost a little but the benefits are great. For the record I am a broker, yeah one of those low life snake in the grass people that everyone on here belittles and slams regularly. If you wish to talk further about this, e mail me at [email protected]

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:04 AM CST

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Do you have any contacts in the business. Going in blind is a mistake. Buy a good solid used truck and a solid hopper bottom. Do you have any idea of what commodities you want to haul. That will make a big impact on the trailer you need to buy. Be sure you have operating authority and insurance. The big thing you want to do is to determine what it costs to run that equipment and how much money you need to operate on. Talk to other bulk haulers and ask questions. Bulk hauling is really tight right now and you have to know what your operating costs are to even begin to think about taking the plunge. Decide if you are going to commit on hauling exclusively for a particular shipper or if you are going to align yourself with (oh gasp the horror of the thought) a broker. Make sure you check out the broker thoroughly. There are some good ones out there and there are some shady ones out there. You want to make sure you are going to get paid for your efforts. You will need to check out the shipper the same way. There are some shippers that I have no problem working with and there are some that I don't trust any further than I could throw them. Again, getting paid is the objective. This is not a hobby or a vacation. Bulk hauling is a tough business, emphasis on business and if you don't treat it as such you are in trouble from the get go.. I am sure there are many experts on this forum that will give you their opinions as well. Take all the information you can get and weigh the pros and cons thoroughly before you invest in equipment insurance and authority because they are all expensive. Make sure you have good accounting and legal advice as well. That may cost a little but the benefits are great. For the record I am a broker, yeah one of those low life snake in the grass people that everyone on here belittles and slams regularly. If you wish to talk further about this, e mail me at [email protected]

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:21 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Duane has given you some excellent advice and informatiom. Let me add that there does not seem to be much in the way of bulk freight moving in your area. Just check this load board. That will work against you unless you willing to relocate to a better market area or at the very least travel to a better area and stay out for awhile. Just my two cents worth. Good luck to ya

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:21 AM CST

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Duane has given you some excellent advice and informatiom. Let me add that there does not seem to be much in the way of bulk freight moving in your area. Just check this load board. That will work against you unless you willing to relocate to a better market area or at the very least travel to a better area and stay out for awhile. Just my two cents worth. Good luck to ya

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:22 AM CST + 5 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. It's kinda like the way to become a bull rider. Get a bag of marbles and put them in your mouth all at once. And then every time you think you wanna be a grain hauler just spit out a marble. After you have lost all your marbles,well then you are ready to buy the equipment and be a grain hauler! Lol

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:52 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. If you don't have direct customers that pay a rate you need then lease on with a carrier that does. If you can't do neither then do yourself (as well as the industry) a huge favor and don't do it at all. The spot market will chew you up and spit you out.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 03:04 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. That's kind of a shame. You only get two honest, legitament answers. I'm in the same boat as Chris and have questions also. Maybe one specific question at a time would go better. How much should we expect to pay for insurance? If I got it right FMCSA won't grant authority unless you meet a certain amount of liability insurance. Do bulk haulers need to have a cargo insurance policy on top of the liability? and how much should we expect to pay for either one or both. I feel for Duane here on this forum. It seems to be two groups that get dumped on... brokers and the igonarnt new guy that has no business trying to break into the business. I'm one of the new guys.....Dump away. Thanks for any help. Kyle

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 03:04 PM CST

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That's kind of a shame. You only get two honest, legitament answers. I'm in the same boat as Chris and have questions also. Maybe one specific question at a time would go better. How much should we expect to pay for insurance? If I got it right FMCSA won't grant authority unless you meet a certain amount of liability insurance. Do bulk haulers need to have a cargo insurance policy on top of the liability? and how much should we expect to pay for either one or both. I feel for Duane here on this forum. It seems to be two groups that get dumped on... brokers and the igonarnt new guy that has no business trying to break into the business. I'm one of the new guys.....Dump away. Thanks for any help. Kyle

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:00 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "That's kind of a shame. You only get two honest, legitament answers. I'm in the same boat as Chris and have questions also. Maybe one specific question at a time would go better. How much should we expect to pay for insurance? If I got it right FMCSA won't grant authority unless you meet a certain amount of liability insurance. Do bulk haulers need to have a cargo insurance policy on top of the liability? and how much should we expect to pay for either one or both. I feel for Duane here on this forum. It seems to be two groups that get dumped on... brokers and the igonarnt new guy that has no business trying to break into the business. I'm one of the new guys.....Dump away. Thanks for any help. Kyle" The insurance costs will vary depending on the coverage you choose. Federal mandate requires liability of $750,000 in coverage but that isn't near enough. My drivers carry a million or better in liability. Cargo needs to be enough to cover the value of the product hauled. Most big companies will require $100,000 in cargo. If you shop around insurance (here's that nasty word again) brokers, you can compare rates and choose what is best for your circumstance. It is kind of a catch 22 here though, as some insurance brokers won't issue coverage unless you have your authority and you can't get authority without having the appropriate coverage. Shop around, do your due diligence.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:00 PM CST

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Quote: "That's kind of a shame. You only get two honest, legitament answers. I'm in the same boat as Chris and have questions also. Maybe one specific question at a time would go better. How much should we expect to pay for insurance? If I got it right FMCSA won't grant authority unless you meet a certain amount of liability insurance. Do bulk haulers need to have a cargo insurance policy on top of the liability? and how much should we expect to pay for either one or both. I feel for Duane here on this forum. It seems to be two groups that get dumped on... brokers and the igonarnt new guy that has no business trying to break into the business. I'm one of the new guys.....Dump away. Thanks for any help. Kyle"

The insurance costs will vary depending on the coverage you choose. Federal mandate requires liability of $750,000 in coverage but that isn't near enough. My drivers carry a million or better in liability. Cargo needs to be enough to cover the value of the product hauled. Most big companies will require $100,000 in cargo. If you shop around insurance (here's that nasty word again) brokers, you can compare rates and choose what is best for your circumstance. It is kind of a catch 22 here though, as some insurance brokers won't issue coverage unless you have your authority and you can't get authority without having the appropriate coverage. Shop around, do your due diligence.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:00 PM CST + 2 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "That's kind of a shame. You only get two honest, legitament answers. I'm in the same boat as Chris and have questions also. Maybe one specific question at a time would go better. How much should we expect to pay for insurance? If I got it right FMCSA won't grant authority unless you meet a certain amount of liability insurance. Do bulk haulers need to have a cargo insurance policy on top of the liability? and how much should we expect to pay for either one or both. I feel for Duane here on this forum. It seems to be two groups that get dumped on... brokers and the igonarnt new guy that has no business trying to break into the business. I'm one of the new guys.....Dump away. Thanks for any help. Kyle" Nobody is "dumping" on anyone. You want REAL advice or someone to simply blow smoke up your ass and tell you what you want to hear? OP got great solid advice. Sorry, it wasn't what he (or you) wanted to hear but it's the truth. Sometimes that truth is painful. You want to know how much insurance costs? Call an insurance agent. The range can be from 10k to 35k depending on your situation. None of us can answer that for anyone else considering the endless amounts of variables involved. Also, if anyone simply took the time to do a search of this forum these questions have been answered many times over. If one doesn't even have to ambition enough to do a search I personally don't have much faith in their success. They'll end up justr being another nail for the endless amounts of hammer looking to pound them into the dirt. Buying a truck with no customers is putting the cart before the horse in every single way.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:00 PM CST

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Nobody is "dumping" on anyone. You want REAL advice or someone to simply blow smoke up your ass and tell you what you want to hear? OP got great solid advice. Sorry, it wasn't what he (or you) wanted to hear but it's the truth. Sometimes that truth is painful. You want to know how much insurance costs? Call an insurance agent. The range can be from 10k to 35k depending on your situation. None of us can answer that for anyone else considering the endless amounts of variables involved.

Also, if anyone simply took the time to do a search of this forum these questions have been answered many times over. If one doesn't even have to ambition enough to do a search I personally don't have much faith in their success. They'll end up justr being another nail for the endless amounts of hammer looking to pound them into the dirt. Buying a truck with no customers is putting the cart before the horse in every single way.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:00 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. You are going to need liability and cargo insurance. How much is it going to cost? Well how much of your equipment are you going to finance? How does your driving record look? Your age will play into the price as well. Find someone in your area deals in truck insurance and have those conversations with him. Good luck I did it 5 years ago.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 05:10 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Also thanks to Pete, that was encourging, if it could be done 5 years ago, seems it could be done now.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 05:10 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. O.K. I apoligize, beings I'm one of those first timers, I didn't realize there was already a slew of insurance posts. Checked them out, and was some informative answers there. Thanks Duane and David for answering. I'm done with insurance questions, but do have questions regarding the actual process of getting a load, I'll look around and see if it's posted somewhere else if not you may be in for another ignorant question.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 05:10 PM CST

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O.K. I apoligize, beings I'm one of those first timers, I didn't realize there was already a slew of insurance posts. Checked them out, and was some informative answers there. Thanks Duane and David for answering. I'm done with insurance questions, but do have questions regarding the actual process of getting a load, I'll look around and see if it's posted somewhere else if not you may be in for another ignorant question.

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 05:25 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "O.K. I apoligize, beings I'm one of those first timers, I didn't realize there was already a slew of insurance posts. Checked them out, and was some informative answers there. Thanks Duane and David for answering. I'm done with insurance questions, but do have questions regarding the actual process of getting a load, I'll look around and see if it's posted somewhere else if not you may be in for another ignorant question. " Kyle, I started about 2.5 years ago. If you're a hard worker it's do able, but it's tough. I had a customer lined up before I went commercial, and they pay great and did back then and that made it possible. Not sure if i could have made it without them. You will need to use the load search on bulk loads . It works well and you'll want to do some research on the companies, some are trash. Also its worth the effort to try to find the original company that has the load. Loads are re posted a ton and for less money every time. Try to have respect for yourself and don't do cheap work. Profit is not a dirty word. I'm definitely not intelligent, ask my wife, but if you have questions that I can help with, feel free to call or text. 605 467 0732. Good luck

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 05:25 PM CST

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Quote: "O.K. I apoligize, beings I'm one of those first timers, I didn't realize there was already a slew of insurance posts. Checked them out, and was some informative answers there. Thanks Duane and David for answering. I'm done with insurance questions, but do have questions regarding the actual process of getting a load, I'll look around and see if it's posted somewhere else if not you may be in for another ignorant question. "

Kyle, I started about 2.5 years ago. If you're a hard worker it's do able, but it's tough. I had a customer lined up before I went commercial, and they pay great and did back then and that made it possible. Not sure if i could have made it without them. You will need to use the load search on bulk loads . It works well and you'll want to do some research on the companies, some are trash. Also its worth the effort to try to find the original company that has the load. Loads are re posted a ton and for less money every time. Try to have respect for yourself and don't do cheap work. Profit is not a dirty word. I'm definitely not intelligent, ask my wife, but if you have questions that I can help with, feel free to call or text. 605 467 0732. Good luck

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:34 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Best answer you received was don’t. But for some people that’s the answer that spurs you on I started over 50 years ago and we have always had food on the table, but the fact is there are plenty of jobs where you will make more money with benefits and let someone one else buy the fuel and let their hair turn white with stress , but for some of us driving our own truck is the only way, 20 years ago I asked my son why don’t you get a job doing something else, his response was why didn’t I . Any way it’s just a life style. Also being a smart elic, looks like where you live should work good for a belt trailer. Should be plenty of BS to haul from their.!!!!

Replied on Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:34 PM CST

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Best answer you received was don’t. But for some people that’s the answer that spurs you on I started over 50 years ago and we have always had food on the table, but the fact is there are plenty of jobs where you will make more money with benefits and let someone one else buy the fuel and let their hair turn white with stress , but for some of us driving our own truck is the only way, 20 years ago I asked my son why don’t you get a job doing something else, his response was why didn’t I . Any way it’s just a life style. Also being a smart elic, looks like where you live should work good for a belt trailer. Should be plenty of BS to haul from their.!!!!

Replied on Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 07:59 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. If you live near DC, I see more loads for end dump trailers in the Northeast. I would not jump to buy a trailer before testing the water by pulling for a company or brokerage that can provide a trailer. Once you see how things are, buy your own trailer. As for brokers, bulkloads.com has done good by rating brokers and you can sort out which ones work for you. I have tried a dedicated broker and it was good for a start but not what I eventually wanted.

Replied on Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 07:59 AM CST

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If you live near DC, I see more loads for end dump trailers in the Northeast. I would not jump to buy a trailer before testing the water by pulling for a company or brokerage that can provide a trailer. Once you see how things are, buy your own trailer. As for brokers, bulkloads.com has done good by rating brokers and you can sort out which ones work for you. I have tried a dedicated broker and it was good for a start but not what I eventually wanted.

Replied on Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 07:59 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Parently it's a crowded market like most segments currently. Buy the RIGHT equipment for the job. Learn the market you want to run in. Learn to negotiate. Hopefully you are mechanically inclined. Fuel mileage and pay load are important. Be careful what you give up to gain pay load. Do a better job than the other guy.

Replied on Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 08:18 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. The only dumb question is one you don't ask. No one was born with 20 years axperience under their belt.

Replied on Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:26 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. In response to your ad, I am and owner operator of 2 trucks 1 is for sale with a hopper bottom trailer. I live in North Dakota, if you are interested give me a ring 701-300-1625

Replied on Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:43 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I NEED A FEW MINUTES TO GET A COUPLE FIRES PUT OUT AND I WILL GIVE YOU A CALL

Replied on Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 01:45 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. SMALL WORLD. I SEE YOU ARE OUT OF NEW TOWN ND. MY MOM WAS BORN SOUTH OF NEW TOWN ON THE FAMILY FARM 4 MILES SOUTH OF WHERE NEW TOWN IS TODAY. SHE GRADUATED FROM SANISH HIGH SCHOOL JUST BEFORE IT WAS PUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LAKE.

Replied on Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 05:12 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "The only dumb question is one you don't ask. No one was born with 20 years axperience under their belt." If you want to see dumb questions asked, watch and listen to the reporters during a presidential news conference.

Replied on Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 05:17 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I stand corrected

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 07:57 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. This reminds me of myself 7 yr ago almost to the day I hung up my construction job and bought my own truck and got my cdl all at the same time. Thankfully I bought the truck from my brother and with the expertise of a few good buddies that never blindsided me After 7 yr I am calling it successful. Be very careful how much you spend and pay your loans off early even if it means skipping that 100$ wash every now and again just so you can pay extra. You will circle the drain if you always have to be 1 step ahead blowing smoke or have all the latest chrome and extras. I had a successful 7 year career hauling 100 percent bulk loads and I dont know why someone couldn't start it now

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 07:57 AM CST

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This reminds me of myself 7 yr ago almost to the day I hung up my construction job and bought my own truck and got my cdl all at the same time. Thankfully I bought the truck from my brother and with the expertise of a few good buddies that never blindsided me After 7 yr I am calling it successful. Be very careful how much you spend and pay your loans off early even if it means skipping that 100$ wash every now and again just so you can pay extra. You will circle the drain if you always have to be 1 step ahead blowing smoke or have all the latest chrome and extras. I had a successful 7 year career hauling 100 percent bulk loads and I dont know why someone couldn't start it now

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 08:16 AM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "This reminds me of myself 7 yr ago almost to the day I hung up my construction job and bought my own truck and got my cdl all at the same time. Thankfully I bought the truck from my brother and with the expertise of a few good buddies that never blindsided me After 7 yr I am calling it successful. Be very careful how much you spend and pay your loans off early even if it means skipping that 100$ wash every now and again just so you can pay extra. You will circle the drain if you always have to be 1 step ahead blowing smoke or have all the latest chrome and extras. I had a successful 7 year career hauling 100 percent bulk loads and I dont know why someone couldn't start it now" You don't know why anyone couldn't start it now? That's a joke, right? The market is the worst I've seen in over 10 years. I'm sorry but that's just horrible advice. You're setting a person up for failure. I'd hate to see someone spend evrything they have and lose it all. Jump in when the market is hot, not when it's not! If someone just wants to buy themselves a job they should lease under a larger carrier's authority and service those customers. Having an operating authortity in a bad market only makes brokers and shippers money, not the truck.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 08:16 AM CST

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Quote: "This reminds me of myself 7 yr ago almost to the day I hung up my construction job and bought my own truck and got my cdl all at the same time. Thankfully I bought the truck from my brother and with the expertise of a few good buddies that never blindsided me After 7 yr I am calling it successful. Be very careful how much you spend and pay your loans off early even if it means skipping that 100$ wash every now and again just so you can pay extra. You will circle the drain if you always have to be 1 step ahead blowing smoke or have all the latest chrome and extras. I had a successful 7 year career hauling 100 percent bulk loads and I dont know why someone couldn't start it now"

You don't know why anyone couldn't start it now? That's a joke, right? The market is the worst I've seen in over 10 years. I'm sorry but that's just horrible advice. You're setting a person up for failure. I'd hate to see someone spend evrything they have and lose it all. Jump in when the market is hot, not when it's not! If someone just wants to buy themselves a job they should lease under a larger carrier's authority and service those customers. Having an operating authortity in a bad market only makes brokers and shippers money, not the truck.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 09:54 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I'm with Andrew. It seems some of the complaining is coming from those that got started in the "HOT" market of 2017-2018. I got started in 1996 with a couple of customers and a plan. I don't remember what was going on in the economy or the trucking market. I have noticed over the years that if the economy was good, I might be struggling and if the economy was struggling I might be doing well.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 09:54 AM CST

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I'm with Andrew. It seems some of the complaining is coming from those that got started in the "HOT" market of 2017-2018. I got started in 1996 with a couple of customers and a plan. I don't remember what was going on in the economy or the trucking market. I have noticed over the years that if the economy was good, I might be struggling and if the economy was struggling I might be doing well.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:33 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I'm with Andrew. It seems some of the complaining is coming from those that got started in the "HOT" market of 2017-2018. I got started in 1996 with a couple of customers and a plan. I don't remember what was going on in the economy or the trucking market. I have noticed over the years that if the economy was good, I might be struggling and if the economy was struggling I might be doing well." Plans change but I still have one.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:33 AM CST

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Quote: "I'm with Andrew. It seems some of the complaining is coming from those that got started in the "HOT" market of 2017-2018. I got started in 1996 with a couple of customers and a plan. I don't remember what was going on in the economy or the trucking market. I have noticed over the years that if the economy was good, I might be struggling and if the economy was struggling I might be doing well."

Plans change but I still have one.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:33 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I'm with Andrew. It seems some of the complaining is coming from those that got started in the "HOT" market of 2017-2018. I got started in 1996 with a couple of customers and a plan. I don't remember what was going on in the economy or the trucking market. I have noticed over the years that if the economy was good, I might be struggling and if the economy was struggling I might be doing well." OP has no customers. You think running spot right now is a good idea? All these people advising just that are steering him into bankruptcy.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:33 AM CST

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OP has no customers. You think running spot right now is a good idea? All these people advising just that are steering him into bankruptcy.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:33 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. If a fellow can pull his own boots up and start in a bad time and be successful then he will also make it in good years. Its the guys that started when its hot and upgrade equipment and on and on that will be swift to be lead to the exit in bad times. Just saying that starting anytime is risky and the fellow that has to work hard to keep it going will be in a better position when it is going.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:33 AM CST

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If a fellow can pull his own boots up and start in a bad time and be successful then he will also make it in good years. Its the guys that started when its hot and upgrade equipment and on and on that will be swift to be lead to the exit in bad times. Just saying that starting anytime is risky and the fellow that has to work hard to keep it going will be in a better position when it is going.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:46 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "If a fellow can pull his own boots up and start in a bad time and be successful then he will also make it in good years. Its the guys that started when its hot and upgrade equipment and on and on that will be swift to be lead to the exit in bad times. Just saying that starting anytime is risky and the fellow that has to work hard to keep it going will be in a better position when it is going." That's a good point and I agree but I just couldn't sleep at night recommending someone to do something like that unless I personally knew their character. Most people will fail though.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:46 AM CST

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Quote: "If a fellow can pull his own boots up and start in a bad time and be successful then he will also make it in good years. Its the guys that started when its hot and upgrade equipment and on and on that will be swift to be lead to the exit in bad times. Just saying that starting anytime is risky and the fellow that has to work hard to keep it going will be in a better position when it is going."

That's a good point and I agree but I just couldn't sleep at night recommending someone to do something like that unless I personally knew their character. Most people will fail though.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 01:26 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "OP has no customers. You think running spot right now is a good idea? All these people advising just that are steering him into bankruptcy." Excuse my ignorance. What is OP? With few exceptions, I loaded one load for a broker so far in 2020, my invoices go to the shipper and my checks come from the shipper.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 02:57 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Excuse my ignorance. What is OP? With few exceptions, I loaded one load for a broker so far in 2020, my invoices go to the shipper and my checks come from the shipper." Sorry, Dean. OP = "original poster" meaning the person who started this thread/topic. Anyway, if OP had actual customers like yourself I'd feel alot better encouraging him to make the leap. Thing is...he doesn't even know what his insurance will be yet. That should be first thing to do because if he can't afford that (or if he can even find a place to write a policy for a new entrant) he won't be able to get his own authority anyway. The smartest move is to lease on with a place he trusts and learn the ropes. He should also run his own IRP, IFTA and NTL as well. That way if he goes to his own numbers later he'll do so easier and cheaper. He'll also have more control over how he runs as a lease op, save on insuance when he's the primary and get some experience handling all the paperwork and due dates.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 02:57 PM CST

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Quote: "Excuse my ignorance. What is OP? With few exceptions, I loaded one load for a broker so far in 2020, my invoices go to the shipper and my checks come from the shipper."

Sorry, Dean. OP = "original poster" meaning the person who started this thread/topic. Anyway, if OP had actual customers like yourself I'd feel alot better encouraging him to make the leap. Thing is...he doesn't even know what his insurance will be yet. That should be first thing to do because if he can't afford that (or if he can even find a place to write a policy for a new entrant) he won't be able to get his own authority anyway. The smartest move is to lease on with a place he trusts and learn the ropes. He should also run his own IRP, IFTA and NTL as well. That way if he goes to his own numbers later he'll do so easier and cheaper. He'll also have more control over how he runs as a lease op, save on insuance when he's the primary and get some experience handling all the paperwork and due dates.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 03:11 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "O.K. I apoligize, beings I'm one of those first timers, I didn't realize there was already a slew of insurance posts. Checked them out, and was some informative answers there. Thanks Duane and David for answering. I'm done with insurance questions, but do have questions regarding the actual process of getting a load, I'll look around and see if it's posted somewhere else if not you may be in for another ignorant question. " DO NOT!!!! apologize!!!, some people on here are simply bitter towards everyone. There's been some sound advice posted. I would recommend going back through a couple years of posts to learn more, knowledge is your best friend in this game. If you can not find what you want for customers right away to make the revenue YOU decide you need you can hook on with any number of larger carriers or even find (1) broker to work with, there again do your homework, as stated earlier there are plenty of good honest brokers out there in amongst the shady ones, once again simply ask around to see who's happy with who. The list of brokers is ever growing, if I did have any advice about going with a broker it would be to go with one who'd been around a while. If you have any more questions please feel free to ask me anytime OFF FORUM, my email is [email protected] and depending where you're looking to run I could possibly suggest a couple brokers besides myself.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 03:11 PM CST

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DO NOT!!!! apologize!!!, some people on here are simply bitter towards everyone. There's been some sound advice posted. I would recommend going back through a couple years of posts to learn more, knowledge is your best friend in this game. If you can not find what you want for customers right away to make the revenue YOU decide you need you can hook on with any number of larger carriers or even find (1) broker to work with, there again do your homework, as stated earlier there are plenty of good honest brokers out there in amongst the shady ones, once again simply ask around to see who's happy with who. The list of brokers is ever growing, if I did have any advice about going with a broker it would be to go with one who'd been around a while. If you have any more questions please feel free to ask me anytime OFF FORUM, my email is [email protected] and depending where you're looking to run I could possibly suggest a couple brokers besides myself.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 03:39 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Sorry, Dean. OP = "original poster" meaning the person who started this thread/topic. Anyway, if OP had actual customers like yourself I'd feel alot better encouraging him to make the leap. Thing is...he doesn't even know what his insurance will be yet. That should be first thing to do because if he can't afford that (or if he can even find a place to write a policy for a new entrant) he won't be able to get his own authority anyway. The smartest move is to lease on with a place he trusts and learn the ropes. He should also run his own IRP, IFTA and NTL as well. That way if he goes to his own numbers later he'll do so easier and cheaper. He'll also have more control over how he runs as a lease op, save on insuance when he's the primary and get some experience handling all the paperwork and due dates." Got it... And I get it.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 03:39 PM CST

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Quote: "Sorry, Dean. OP = "original poster" meaning the person who started this thread/topic. Anyway, if OP had actual customers like yourself I'd feel alot better encouraging him to make the leap. Thing is...he doesn't even know what his insurance will be yet. That should be first thing to do because if he can't afford that (or if he can even find a place to write a policy for a new entrant) he won't be able to get his own authority anyway. The smartest move is to lease on with a place he trusts and learn the ropes. He should also run his own IRP, IFTA and NTL as well. That way if he goes to his own numbers later he'll do so easier and cheaper. He'll also have more control over how he runs as a lease op, save on insuance when he's the primary and get some experience handling all the paperwork and due dates."

Got it... And I get it.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:39 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Sorry, Dean. OP = "original poster" meaning the person who started this thread/topic. Anyway, if OP had actual customers like yourself I'd feel alot better encouraging him to make the leap. Thing is...he doesn't even know what his insurance will be yet. That should be first thing to do because if he can't afford that (or if he can even find a place to write a policy for a new entrant) he won't be able to get his own authority anyway. The smartest move is to lease on with a place he trusts and learn the ropes. He should also run his own IRP, IFTA and NTL as well. That way if he goes to his own numbers later he'll do so easier and cheaper. He'll also have more control over how he runs as a lease op, save on insuance when he's the primary and get some experience handling all the paperwork and due dates." And how many customers is this man going to get without having something to haul there products on? He's going to need a horse and cart or he's going to hear alot of phones hanging up.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:39 PM CST

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And how many customers is this man going to get without having something to haul there products on? He's going to need a horse and cart or he's going to hear alot of phones hanging up.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:40 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I agree Jim seams alot of people are stressed out over something that is out there control. As far as starting out new in this industry. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible. Get on the phone talk to some people you might just be surprised what a simple phone call can grow into. Be honest have a willingness to do what it takes it'll pay you back. Dont let anyone make your decisions for you if you can't make it work it just won't work. You might have to do some loads that are not at all what you are looking for it's not all rainbows and unicorns but it is sometimes. Keep your head up don't let the negativity get to ya.

Replied on Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:40 PM CST

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I agree Jim seams alot of people are stressed out over something that is out there control. As far as starting out new in this industry. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible. Get on the phone talk to some people you might just be surprised what a simple phone call can grow into. Be honest have a willingness to do what it takes it'll pay you back. Dont let anyone make your decisions for you if you can't make it work it just won't work. You might have to do some loads that are not at all what you are looking for it's not all rainbows and unicorns but it is sometimes. Keep your head up don't let the negativity get to ya.

Replied on Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 07:10 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Sorry, Dean. OP = "original poster" meaning the person who started this thread/topic. Anyway, if OP had actual customers like yourself I'd feel alot better encouraging him to make the leap. Thing is...he doesn't even know what his insurance will be yet. That should be first thing to do because if he can't afford that (or if he can even find a place to write a policy for a new entrant) he won't be able to get his own authority anyway. The smartest move is to lease on with a place he trusts and learn the ropes. He should also run his own IRP, IFTA and NTL as well. That way if he goes to his own numbers later he'll do so easier and cheaper. He'll also have more control over how he runs as a lease op, save on insuance when he's the primary and get some experience handling all the paperwork and due dates." He asked questions before he spent money, before he made mistakes. Whats wrong with digging up info regarding trucking, from a trucking website? So what if he doesn't know the insurance cost. How does someone know if they don't ask? As far as I'm concerned, the industry needs this kind of new guy, instead of the person that shows up and says, i did 3000 miles this week, I grossed 2000 dollars, why am I going broke. He'll do fine. Theres Never a perfect time to do anything unless you can predict the future.

Replied on Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 07:10 AM CST

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He asked questions before he spent money, before he made mistakes. Whats wrong with digging up info regarding trucking, from a trucking website? So what if he doesn't know the insurance cost. How does someone know if they don't ask? As far as I'm concerned, the industry needs this kind of new guy, instead of the person that shows up and says, i did 3000 miles this week, I grossed 2000 dollars, why am I going broke. He'll do fine. Theres Never a perfect time to do anything unless you can predict the future.

Replied on Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 07:10 AM CST - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "And how many customers is this man going to get without having something to haul there products on? He's going to need a horse and cart or he's going to hear alot of phones hanging up." So he should buy the horse and cart BEFORE he knows where to take it? Again, that's absurd. Find customers, company to lease to or broker to run for that's going to pay HIS bills. Things is, he doesn't even know what his major bill will be (insurance) so how could he possibly even begin to search for work for the equipment? If he sucks at sales or phone calls than he's going to be better off leased on. If he's semi-ok on the phone he could work with brokers if he's real good he could source some direct and/or even contract freight BUT without knowing what HE needs to operate he's setting himself up for failure. Bottom line, he needs to TON of much information and research before buying the equipment.

Replied on Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 07:10 AM CST

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Quote: "And how many customers is this man going to get without having something to haul there products on? He's going to need a horse and cart or he's going to hear alot of phones hanging up."

So he should buy the horse and cart BEFORE he knows where to take it? Again, that's absurd. Find customers, company to lease to or broker to run for that's going to pay HIS bills. Things is, he doesn't even know what his major bill will be (insurance) so how could he possibly even begin to search for work for the equipment? If he sucks at sales or phone calls than he's going to be better off leased on. If he's semi-ok on the phone he could work with brokers if he's real good he could source some direct and/or even contract freight BUT without knowing what HE needs to operate he's setting himself up for failure. Bottom line, he needs to TON of much information and research before buying the equipment.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 07:05 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "So he should buy the horse and cart BEFORE he knows where to take it? Again, that's absurd. Find customers, company to lease to or broker to run for that's going to pay HIS bills. Things is, he doesn't even know what his major bill will be (insurance) so how could he possibly even begin to search for work for the equipment? If he sucks at sales or phone calls than he's going to be better off leased on. If he's semi-ok on the phone he could work with brokers if he's real good he could source some direct and/or even contract freight BUT without knowing what HE needs to operate he's setting himself up for failure. Bottom line, he needs to TON of much information and research before buying the equipment." You are absolutely right he needs to do research. What do you think he was doing by coming on this forum and asking questions? I guess there isn't many of us like you that seem to know everything about everything without asking. I know for myself I'm still learning.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 07:05 AM CST

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Quote: "So he should buy the horse and cart BEFORE he knows where to take it? Again, that's absurd. Find customers, company to lease to or broker to run for that's going to pay HIS bills. Things is, he doesn't even know what his major bill will be (insurance) so how could he possibly even begin to search for work for the equipment? If he sucks at sales or phone calls than he's going to be better off leased on. If he's semi-ok on the phone he could work with brokers if he's real good he could source some direct and/or even contract freight BUT without knowing what HE needs to operate he's setting himself up for failure. Bottom line, he needs to TON of much information and research before buying the equipment."

You are absolutely right he needs to do research. What do you think he was doing by coming on this forum and asking questions? I guess there isn't many of us like you that seem to know everything about everything without asking. I know for myself I'm still learning.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 08:26 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "He asked questions before he spent money, before he made mistakes. Whats wrong with digging up info regarding trucking, from a trucking website? So what if he doesn't know the insurance cost. How does someone know if they don't ask? As far as I'm concerned, the industry needs this kind of new guy, instead of the person that shows up and says, i did 3000 miles this week, I grossed 2000 dollars, why am I going broke. He'll do fine. Theres Never a perfect time to do anything unless you can predict the future. " Yeah, just what the industry needs. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to have him run in SD with you.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 08:26 AM CST

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Quote: "He asked questions before he spent money, before he made mistakes. Whats wrong with digging up info regarding trucking, from a trucking website? So what if he doesn't know the insurance cost. How does someone know if they don't ask? As far as I'm concerned, the industry needs this kind of new guy, instead of the person that shows up and says, i did 3000 miles this week, I grossed 2000 dollars, why am I going broke. He'll do fine. Theres Never a perfect time to do anything unless you can predict the future. "

Yeah, just what the industry needs. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to have him run in SD with you.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 08:26 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "You are absolutely right he needs to do research. What do you think he was doing by coming on this forum and asking questions? I guess there isn't many of us like you that seem to know everything about everything without asking. I know for myself I'm still learning." You didn't answer my question.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 08:56 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Yeah, just what the industry needs. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to have him run in SD with you." That wouldn't bother me one bit. When I first started out, I drove with a bunch of nice older guys. It was fun and I learned quite a bit. Luckily they didn't have your attitude or i wouldn't have learned a dang thing. Im making an assumption that could be wrong, but you give off a self conscious impression. Why are you afraid of competition?

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 08:56 AM CST

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Quote: "Yeah, just what the industry needs. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to have him run in SD with you."

That wouldn't bother me one bit. When I first started out, I drove with a bunch of nice older guys. It was fun and I learned quite a bit. Luckily they didn't have your attitude or i wouldn't have learned a dang thing. Im making an assumption that could be wrong, but you give off a self conscious impression. Why are you afraid of competition?

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 11:00 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "That wouldn't bother me one bit. When I first started out, I drove with a bunch of nice older guys. It was fun and I learned quite a bit. Luckily they didn't have your attitude or i wouldn't have learned a dang thing. Im making an assumption that could be wrong, but you give off a self conscious impression. Why are you afraid of competition? " You should learn a thing or two about how supply and demand works. Then come back and tell me how exactly competition works. It's easier to just blame the brokers though, right? Look at how well those Houston suckers are doing. It's coming to South Dakota too and you'll be here crying about it. I can't wait.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 11:00 AM CST

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Quote: "That wouldn't bother me one bit. When I first started out, I drove with a bunch of nice older guys. It was fun and I learned quite a bit. Luckily they didn't have your attitude or i wouldn't have learned a dang thing. Im making an assumption that could be wrong, but you give off a self conscious impression. Why are you afraid of competition? "

You should learn a thing or two about how supply and demand works. Then come back and tell me how exactly competition works. It's easier to just blame the brokers though, right? Look at how well those Houston suckers are doing. It's coming to South Dakota too and you'll be here crying about it. I can't wait.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 12:16 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. David i don't think anyone has blamed brokers more than you. I can't predict the future so I don't know what trucking will be like in SD in the future. The only thing I hope for is that I treat newcomers with the same respect I was shown when I was taught how to drive, and when I was taught how to run a business. If I start getting all crabby and self righteous about it, then I hope someone calls me out on my crap. People were good to me.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 12:16 PM CST

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David i don't think anyone has blamed brokers more than you. I can't predict the future so I don't know what trucking will be like in SD in the future. The only thing I hope for is that I treat newcomers with the same respect I was shown when I was taught how to drive, and when I was taught how to run a business. If I start getting all crabby and self righteous about it, then I hope someone calls me out on my crap. People were good to me.

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 04:25 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "David i don't think anyone has blamed brokers more than you. I can't predict the future so I don't know what trucking will be like in SD in the future. The only thing I hope for is that I treat newcomers with the same respect I was shown when I was taught how to drive, and when I was taught how to run a business. If I start getting all crabby and self righteous about it, then I hope someone calls me out on my crap. People were good to me." It's not 1903 anymore, Dale. Insinuating I'm not sugar coating my responses enough to this kid is akin to acting like a fat woman who got her feelings hurt after I told her the truth when she asked if she looked fat in a particular dress. Why are you so overly concerned about my advice? Why not focus on your own? Kissing someone's ass and telling them what they want to hear to be the nice guy isn't doing anyone any favors. It causes more harm than good. I blame brokers in general for smashing the rates BUT they get away with it because of bottom feeders and the ignorant which you and too many others here seem incredibly eager to help produce more of to further flood the industry with. I've made it very clear that some brokers are needed and decent. I have a few I deal with. But blaming everything under the sun on them is for the weak failures that should be put down like rapid dogs. It's the same threads here over and over and over again complaining about brokers and/or about putting the cart before the horse. They need each other to survive. It's a symbiotic relationship. Couple that with over capacity and it's a recipe for disaster. Keep helping those two stay married though. Whatever works for you. Just don't get all worked up when me or others like me don't share your sentiments. Truckers love to argue so I'm sure we'll be at it again over something else next week anyway. See you then!

Replied on Fri, May 01, 2020 at 04:25 PM CST

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Quote: "David i don't think anyone has blamed brokers more than you. I can't predict the future so I don't know what trucking will be like in SD in the future. The only thing I hope for is that I treat newcomers with the same respect I was shown when I was taught how to drive, and when I was taught how to run a business. If I start getting all crabby and self righteous about it, then I hope someone calls me out on my crap. People were good to me."

It's not 1903 anymore, Dale. Insinuating I'm not sugar coating my responses enough to this kid is akin to acting like a fat woman who got her feelings hurt after I told her the truth when she asked if she looked fat in a particular dress. Why are you so overly concerned about my advice? Why not focus on your own? Kissing someone's ass and telling them what they want to hear to be the nice guy isn't doing anyone any favors. It causes more harm than good.

I blame brokers in general for smashing the rates BUT they get away with it because of bottom feeders and the ignorant which you and too many others here seem incredibly eager to help produce more of to further flood the industry with. I've made it very clear that some brokers are needed and decent. I have a few I deal with. But blaming everything under the sun on them is for the weak failures that should be put down like rapid dogs. It's the same threads here over and over and over again complaining about brokers and/or about putting the cart before the horse.

They need each other to survive. It's a symbiotic relationship. Couple that with over capacity and it's a recipe for disaster. Keep helping those two stay married though. Whatever works for you. Just don't get all worked up when me or others like me don't share your sentiments. Truckers love to argue so I'm sure we'll be at it again over something else next week anyway. See you then!

Replied on Sat, May 02, 2020 at 01:36 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Nobody has to share my opinion. It would be a boring debate if we did. Some of us just don't care for hypocrites. If you aren't a hypocrite, you're just a little selfish in my opinion. It's ok for you to be a newbie, but nobody else. It's ok for you to grow food "sourced from your hands " but nobody else can.....somebody needs a snickers. Maybe its me too

Replied on Sat, May 02, 2020 at 01:36 PM CST

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Nobody has to share my opinion. It would be a boring debate if we did. Some of us just don't care for hypocrites. If you aren't a hypocrite, you're just a little selfish in my opinion. It's ok for you to be a newbie, but nobody else. It's ok for you to grow food "sourced from your hands " but nobody else can.....somebody needs a snickers. Maybe its me too

Replied on Sun, May 03, 2020 at 06:59 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Nobody has to share my opinion. It would be a boring debate if we did. Some of us just don't care for hypocrites. If you aren't a hypocrite, you're just a little selfish in my opinion. It's ok for you to be a newbie, but nobody else. It's ok for you to grow food "sourced from your hands " but nobody else can.....somebody needs a snickers. Maybe its me too" You've made it clear many times that you think I'm a bad person, Dale. I got it! That's not much of a debate though. You like to make things personal. I got that too! Maybe I've struck a nerve in one of my postings that hit a little too close to home for you?

Replied on Sun, May 03, 2020 at 06:59 AM CST

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Quote: "Nobody has to share my opinion. It would be a boring debate if we did. Some of us just don't care for hypocrites. If you aren't a hypocrite, you're just a little selfish in my opinion. It's ok for you to be a newbie, but nobody else. It's ok for you to grow food "sourced from your hands " but nobody else can.....somebody needs a snickers. Maybe its me too"

You've made it clear many times that you think I'm a bad person, Dale. I got it! That's not much of a debate though. You like to make things personal. I got that too! Maybe I've struck a nerve in one of my postings that hit a little too close to home for you?