Emission engines...?

my experience hasn't been to bad have a 485 Cummins up till last year having to start replace sensors have some wiring issues filters are alotmore expensive service for it is that great not like it used to be is more of a guessing game then anything now shops think they have it fixed and withing couple of hours/months depends di o. everything same problem could be back over all though not to bad

I just sold my 2015 Pete w/550 ISX with @ 325k on it. I didn't have any issues with the motor or emmisions at all. I'm in the proscess of ordering another new one and have no worries.

Detroit is bad if you have the wrong things go bad. They have fractured rod and main caps. If you damage the bottom half of motor it's done. Im not going to try to explain the bad things on here regarding fracture technology, it needed to stay in racing. Filters for Detroit, at least some new stuff is crazy expensive. I leased some 2015 kw with Cummins motors. I turned them back after 9 months. I'll stick with my pre emmision stuff. Paccar parts are expensive and can be difficult to get. I'm not a cummins fan but easier for parts and more people know how to work on them than anything else.
Just my opinion.

Art Pfluger

well I do know my cumming is running 5.9 for ifta all last year pulling a hopper but the heavier I load it the better it runs I'm also pretty particular to what filters I use and there's also a air cell intake spacer on mine everything is is just a 485/1850 18 speed with 3.07 rears hope that helps with ur 565

would you tell us what kind of loads/weight you were pulling and what kind of mpg, Thanks

Pros and cons with all of them. I run 2 isx15 cummins 550hp. 12' Pete has 460,000 miles 13'KW has 300,000 miles
Replaced EGR cooler in both engines, supposedly Cummins has that issue fixed. Other than that just a few minor issues with a couple sensors.
Educate yourself on how the regen process should and does work! I just can't make myself buy a new truck with a 20 year old rebuilt engine!
You can buy a brand new Peterbilt or Kenworth with brand new Cummins cheaper than you can buy a new glider with a rebuilt CAT engine.

I just can’t help it.


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Frieghtliner and western star seem to be good below the mason Dixon. At 10 and a 20 mph headwind
the heaters don’t cut it. They used to come with insulated coverall don’t know why they quit

Explain how is it cheaper to buy emissions trucks? It might cost you more for a glider but put it this way. Your rebuilt engine ( thats roughly as good as new) has 1/10 of the electrical garbage on it and your glider wont let you sit on the Washington dc beltway ( needing a $1000 tow) because some sensor went out and it cant inject bullfrog urine into the filter so it can pass gas. Now look at your missed load or loads while they fix the juice system. Then the idea of spending 10k for a new filter at 700k miles makes me shivver when you should have 25k saved up for an overhaul thats approaching fastly. Lastly if you want to trade your truck or sell for top dollar private good luck because i will buy a pre emission that wont give me near the headache and who in their right mind would buy an emission engine with high miles? sorry i had the time to vent so i did nothing personal here now

How do you like that new truck after getting out of the 389? I sold my 15 389 and thinking about a 579 with MX and auto. I pull hopper so concerned that 579 is a little heavy. ( took a 99 W900 as a trade on my 15 and its only 17500 kinda hate to give up the weight for a new one)

Andrew is correct. It's cheaper to overhaul a 99 engine compared to a 2014. Look at the labor alone to take the valve cover off on a 2014...

Also look at the trade in value of a glider, or an 03 truck. When I worked for case it was significantly more expensive to overhaul a def drinking iveco compared to the qsx Cummins, which is an isx with a different ecm tune. When AG went tier 4, everyone went to John Deere pre def or they rebuilt old tractors because they couldn't rely on def engines. Way cheaper to overhaul an 8.3 Cummins compared to a 6.7 iveco. Not saying these new engines are bad, they are built great, it's just the crap they do after the exhaust manifold. And it doesn't make an engine cleaner to increase the duration of the scavenging cycle and throw a vgt turbo on it, it's not less carbon in the exhaust, it's just dilluted by pumping high volumes of air through the engine during the scavenging cycle. It's just dilluted, not cleaner. Again I think these new ones are solid, but I'm on a budget and if an injector goes out on my 6nz, it's way cheaper to get going than a new one. And there's alot of old 855s still going strong with more than 3 overhauls. I think something that is driving up the price of a rebuild on old engines is simply that some of the parts aren't made any more. Again, I will likely get a def drinking truck in the next year or so, not bashing people who like their new engines

I don't bash any of the engines. Like I have said before, none of them are bullit proof. I stick to Cummins because they all have done me a good job including the 2 def drinkers I run today. I look at it if your in it for the long haul, you better stay up with the new technology. Old school is disappearing fast and the EPA is never going to back down.

I have a local machine shop that can machine the upper and lower counter bores on my cat. It's been half rebuilt by cat and complete in frame by me. at 1.5 it still passes the solar powered trucks if my block is good for ''3'' rebuilds that should put the truck well past the 3million mark. sooner or later the WHOLE truck will be toast and time to replace. but I'm going to keep running my pre emissions motor and kick the can down the road as far as I can. Maybe Trump will be able to disable the EPA like we do to there ''clean air'' motors. anyone ever follow one when it's time to burn one off. makes eyes water.