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Forum: CHEAP GRAIN AROUND SIOUX FALLS SD
Posted Sat, Dec 08 2018 09:19 AM CST
JAY HUSMAN
HUSMAN ENTERPRISE
COLTON, SD

Posts: 7
It would be nice if you guys would quit loading this cheap freight so I could keep my truck on the road. If I load in Sioux City I bounce. You don't figure your time involved for a $150- $200 load. Would you sell $3.00 corn for 1.50. No REPLY
Posted Sun, Dec 09 2018 07:16 PM CST
BRUCE BILLMEIER
THREE LAKES TRANSPORTATION
Morgan, MN

Posts: 39
I do the same. We are in Corson SD 1 to 2 times a week and need to go to Sioux City also. Not worth the time it takes to mess with cheap grain hauling. REPLY
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Posted Sun, Dec 09 2018 07:16 PM CST
DONALD KEIFER
RUFFIAN ENTERPRISES
Des Moines, IA

Posts: 65
ya but this statement isn't just about grain.....this statement is for everywhere is just worse in some places rather then others REPLY
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Posted Sun, Dec 09 2018 09:05 PM CST 1 Like
DAN EISCHENS
EISCHENS TRUCKING
Canby, MN

Posts: 61
1.70 a mile with 1100 bushels in the trailer. Wow. Why didnt you write the elevator a check for hauling their beans. Absolutely no way would i haul 1100 bushel for 1.70 a mile. i wouldnt haul 850 bushel for 1.70 a mile. The fertilizer coming north doesnt pay that much but seems everyone with 6 or 7 axles are breaking their necks to haul the cheap fertilizer north and grain south. how long will it be before the pockets are empty amfrom hauling cheap? REPLY
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Posted Sun, Dec 09 2018 09:05 PM CST
DALE HERMANS
HERMANS FARM
Milbank, SD

Posts: 162
I think your statement is 100 percent justified. I took a load to sergeant bluff for agp in June. 1.70 per mile carrying 1100 bushels, with a 4 hour wait to unload, trucks lined up for a mile.
I will never do that again. At that time, basis was 1.45, that means there is $1.45 set asside per bushel to ship those soybeans. A tiny no name elevator will pay .42 to ship 180 miles and not complain, the big companies will pay .25 for 180 miles and everyone lines up to load


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Posted Mon, Dec 10 2018 08:05 AM CST
JAY HUSMAN
HUSMAN ENTERPRISE
COLTON, SD

Posts: 7
These companies will pay the rate if they have to. I know what you mean these guys are putting in 12 hours plus to go to Sioux city and back for $500. I had a good haul to Council Bluffs and could sweeten the pot by hauling fertilizer back to 1 mile from where I was loading. It wasn't worth sweeping out the trailer and having my ddgs unload harder REPLY
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Posted Mon, Dec 10 2018 08:05 AM CST 1 Dislike
JAY HUSMAN
HUSMAN ENTERPRISE
COLTON, SD

Posts: 7
I know and I see mn trucks bounce to Colton to haul back to Fairmont or Brewster for .15 or .20 cents REPLY
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Posted Mon, Dec 10 2018 08:05 AM CST
DALE HERMANS
HERMANS FARM
Milbank, SD

Posts: 162
Originally Posted by: DAN EISCHENS
Quote: "1.70 a mile with 1100 bushels in the trailer. Wow. Why didnt you write the elevator a check for hauling their beans. Absolutely no way would i haul 1100 bushel for 1.70 a mile. i wouldnt haul 850 bushel for 1.70 a mile. The fertilizer coming north doesnt pay that much but seems everyone with 6 or 7 axles are breaking their necks to haul the cheap fertilizer north and grain south. how long will it be before the pockets are empty amfrom hauling cheap?"

No argument from me on that Dan.
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Posted Mon, Dec 10 2018 08:06 AM CST 1 Dislike
GARY BUCKENDAHL
BUCKEROO EXPRESS LLC
Osmond, NE

Posts: 8
Parked my trailers was going broke. Pulling a flatbed now, making moneynow. I think the brokers are doing ok, money wise and so are the big companies that have the contracts. I was told that the price of the commodity is down so I have to not make money. REPLY
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Posted Mon, Dec 10 2018 09:52 AM CST
DAN EISCHENS
EISCHENS TRUCKING
Canby, MN

Posts: 61
Originally Posted by: GARY BUCKENDAHL
Quote: "Parked my trailers was going broke. Pulling a flatbed now, making moneynow. I think the brokers are doing ok, money wise and so are the big companies that have the contracts. I was told that the price of the commodity is down so I have to not make money. "

I parked my hopper and bought a flatbed too. I was trying to work off the load board with the flatbed and keep seeing rates as bad as hoppers. So now my flat if for sale. let me know if you might know anybody looking to buy a nice flatbed.
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Posted Wed, Dec 12 2018 07:56 AM CST 1 Like
DALE HERMANS
HERMANS FARM
Milbank, SD

Posts: 162
Originally Posted by: GARY BUCKENDAHL
Quote: "Parked my trailers was going broke. Pulling a flatbed now, making moneynow. I think the brokers are doing ok, money wise and so are the big companies that have the contracts. I was told that the price of the commodity is down so I have to not make money. "

I really doubt anyone told you that you have to not make money. I dont think there are many people that want their fellow americans to not make money. I also dont think its heresey to have the idea that hauling a product with a very thin profit margin is not profitable. I've been wrong plenty of times so i'm more than happy to have a discussion as to why i'm wrong this time too.

I guess an example would be, if your business hauls cars for car dealers....auto manufacturers figure out a way to make new cars at half price, twice as fast and they pass the savings on. after a year, everybody would have 5 new cars, every driveway would be full, every dealer lot packed full and new factories built to keep up with demand for building cars...once every americans driveway is full of 2corvettes and 4 f150's they will quit buying. new cars will be sitting everywhere, value of cars will drop due to no demand, then i would sure assume the price to haul those cars will drop because profit margin is tighter and because nobody needs the cars. kinda like conventional corn and soybeans. maybe im wrong and id be happy to hear why. but i learned quick that i dont make money moving grain
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Posted Thu, Dec 13 2018 08:00 AM CST 1 Like
ANDREW WENGER
AWTRANSPORTATIONLLC
Tampa, FL

Posts: 86
moving grain is tricky and if you need to haul grain to live then i hope you have good contacts. Having good contacts is how you make money anywhere. If you just pull a load here and there off the board for any broker that moves grain well then you may as well get your for sale sign ready. I have moved grain at cheap rates already but if it fits my circle and i have 2 empty miles to load and the unload is within my circle then it doesnt look so bad. Rule of thumb that grain is and always will be the cheapest freight so crunch your numbers and YES your time before moving it. REPLY
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Posted Tue, Dec 25 2018 10:56 AM CST
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 37
it's all supply and demand when you have large number of trucks available to haul these loads wanting to be home every night these shippers can dictate what they want to pay these trucks raises demand for trucks which raises rates when you have surplus of trucks it drops rates REPLY
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Posted Tue, Dec 25 2018 10:57 AM CST
GREG BOMMELMAN
WILDWIND TRANSPORT
DONNYBROOK, ND

Posts: 60
I have been moving some grain in Nd from west to east. Hard to find loads back West in Nd or montana. I charge enough for both ways. Usually 4.50-5.00 mile. It would be really nice if a broker or trader would come up with a haul back. In the grain hauling that is rare REPLY
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