DEDICATED ROUTE NO LESS THAN 2.00--FLATBED DRIVERS NEEDED!!!!

The Minimum is $2.50 per load and I haven't seen one that low. A few of my drivers dependent on where they are had loads all last week no less than$4.20 with miles no less than 400!! IF you would like more information please feel free to email or call me. Thanks and enjoy your day!

If that is correct.
Diedrich Trucking, LLC
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Sorry for the multiples! It said I didn't post!

Short miles that's still $800 a day that's not enough to pay a man for a day's labor for a truck trailer Authority Insurance everything that's involved $4.20 per mile on a 400 mile run is still a little lite those loads are paid anywhere from $6 to $12 per mile any good broker knows this that's still not enough money please explain I'm curious. Truckers are looking at just the $4.20 per mile but that's not a complete day's pay on 400 miles

Steve if you're talking to me I can prove that I do that everyday of the week but I also have a fuel surcharge and I am on account also . the broker on the other hand I would like to see that I would be more than happy to show you what I make, but rather than do that I can give you a couple telephone numbers and they will verify it that way you don't get my inside information I know plenty of guys that do that everyday

Ima have to bullshit on general commodities paying 4800 bucks on 400 miles, i've pulled alot of oilfield freight in the booms and never seen a rate like that on legal loads. an your gonna try and tell us your getting 2400 to 4800 a load in a van or hopper pullin non hazardous general commodities..... good one.

One thing I love about working in the transportation industry.... When drivers SWEAR they know it all. Know it all for all commodities, trailers,lanes,rates, etc....I make no promises and tell no lies. Lie for what? You sign on and then I can't deliver what I said? No sir. I work hard and take pride in what I do. I'm not greedy nor selfish nor am I just posting for the hell of it. Either your interested or your not. You have all the answers on your own and are making good money bravo. But if you need help I'm here.

I need 2 of the $4800 loads every month if he has a few laying around.

That's a better rate than hauling illegals out of Alice or Laredo.

Maybe he likes staying in touch with us peons.

6 to 12 bucks a mile hauling for one of the cheapest outfits around? And just the other day you said you can't wait tell fuel go's up so you can get your 5to 7 buck rates back?

I'm ready for fuel to go up. If you play it right you make money but not wasting money.

I don't believe Alfred nor Jason are lying. They have nice well maintained equipment and don't wear greasy ass slimed over sweat suits to truck in. I vote we hold the line.

Like the man said we can learn to work together on our own i good terms or slouch around and be forced to work together in the end in a disaster zone.

Carnation proved you get better milk from contented cows. Integrity proves you get better freight rates from contented shippers.

I think people are taking out of context what Jason is saying. He is running a hopper so $6 per mile for 200 miles would be $1200.00 but he has to deadhead back to get the next one so that would be $3.00 per mile all miles. $12.00 per mile for 200 miles would be $2400.00 or $6.00 per mile all miles. I believe he was trying to point out to the dispatcher that is talking a one way rate that bulk usually runs his way. I agree with him 100% on that issue.

Now Jason knows I run dry vans as well and I have told him that is a different animal altogether but I too have some per mile rates that a lot of you will say is BS.

We get paid $520.00 per load to shuttle loads out of the caves and take them 15 miles up the road, empty out and get another one and do it again. That would be $1040.00 per day for 60 miles of work plus the 90 miles from my yard and back, that would bring out total miles to 150 for the day. That would be over $6.93 per mile all miles, but for you people that look at it just one way $34.00 per mile.

Why do we get paid these types of rates? Well if you don't know the answer to that question just come on over here to Kansas City and do a few cave runs and I gurantee you won't do them for a penney less. I can only get a driver to do two days a week of this kind of work, it is just gap fill for us. I have had the customers request to contract with us again on it, but I have always said no thanks. The last time I had a contract for this type of work I could not keep drivers, Hell I myself would not want to do it every single day. I don't ask my men to do something that I would not want to do myself.

I hope this clears the air for all on Jason's comments, he really is trying to just help, as I am.

Jerry, I remember when I fist came on here on Bulk Loads. I thought I had it all figured out, I had just recently bought a new hopper and was out running that thing like one of my dry vans. Well is was guys like Jason, Art, and others that quickly schooled me as to the stinkin thinkin I had as far as rates for the bulk side. At first I was skeptical of Jason and his rates until I just spit it out to a broker and got it. After that I learned to not doubt him when it came to the rates. Art had told me some of the same, I implemented his ways as well, guess what they worked. I went back to the drawing board and changed the whole concept of how I was running my business. I learned a long time ago that if you are the new kid on the block that it is better to listen to those that know the neighborhood.

I don't know poo about tankers, you are the expert in that field, but I have heard tell of guys running those tankers for $2.00 or less per mile. They would think you were full of it when you try and tell them what they are really supposed to be making. I think those of us that are in the know are just trying to help others know as well. I don't think we are trying to brag and rub it into others faces. If they are taking it as such, they are taking what we are saying the wrong way. We really just want all to know that the dishonorable shippers, and brokers will sell you freight as cheap as you are willing to haul it for. They will tell all of us "That is all I got in it" , that right there is the biggest load of horse pucky that I have ever heard.

YOU HAVE NOTHING IN IT MR. BROKER!!!!!!! except for a phone call
YOU HAVE NOTHING IN THE FREIGHT MR. SHIPPER!!!!!! I the carrier am taking the risk for you, (you know if I screw up that you will make more money off my cargo insurance than your widget). The only way you have anything in it Mr. Shipper is if I cost more than you can do it for yourself.

I just wish both of those parties would just quit spitting out that lie. OOOPS did I just call them out? Yep I believe I did.

Good work gentlemen. Differing points are understood better without name calling and cursing.

Sorry took so long to post back but at home on the weekends I do not have internet or cell phone service. I talk through my phone because of lack of Internet and cell phone service and I'm too lazy to type that's why my grammar and spelling sometimes can be bad. And thoughts and feelings or misrepresented. As far as the rates are concerned that I posted they are not for 400-mile loads. That was a mistake on my part the 6 to $12 a mile loads that I posted or from anywhere from 100 to 250 mile radius. Going from one shit hole to another. I have no reason to lie about anything. I have had several men call me and question about the rates that I post over the last few years I have showed everyone of them how to get the money that I get so before anyone calls me a liar you might want to check it out there's certain things that some of those Independents know that the Brokers don't want us to know and it is all related to all aspects of the trucking industry. If any of you men have a 53 foot waltron, with or without a 10-foot stretch or a hostar trailer I could really show you how to make some serious money but you have to live in my backyard. I see some of the men that complain about the rates that some of us post they say that there's no way that we can get those type of rates. considering of where their backyard is it is impossible for them to get those type of rates they have no idea about the rates we get in our backyard they do not have the populace around where they live for all those type of rates, or they are competing with the farmers. Brokers will tell truckers that the rates are falling or that the rates have no fuel surcharge or that your rates don't pay for this or for that. In fact they do it is a fact that rates have actually went up Brokers don't like me to talk simply because I don't have to hide anything I'm not a broker I don't have to lie cheat and steal to make my living or cheat people out of certain aspects of the freight rate so I can get a paycheck such as steal a fuel surcharge or not paid them for dummurage. I hear some guys complain that I am lying about Freight rates that are out there some say that they been doing it for 40 years so they think they know everything or it couldn't possibly be true. I learn everyday I'm in my truck 10 to 12 hours per day and I'm on the phone all across the country speaking a few languages to several different people some think I'm just a stupid country boy but in fact they have no idea I just play the part I'm not trying to make any excuses but I'm saying it is what it is and when a man tells you that the rate is what it is and several other people can back him up then you might want to start believing him.. I am not a spokesperson or a teacher by any means therefore I come off as an a-hole or hard jerk butt oh well. A wise old man drilled in 2 things in my head that are permanently a part of my everyday life#1 you cannot fix stupid but you can breed it. #2 if you stop learning you stop living.
As far as me being demeaning to people you are absolutely correct I am but you will also notice that I am only demeaning to Brokers that are non asset-based and that is all .I do not talk bad about my fellow worker unless there is no hope or they're standing in front of me. I am a daily work in progress I have many faults I would be more than happy to discuss this further on the private site if any of you would like to discuss it. A few years ago Ozzy Osbourne was told that he was getting too old and and should slow down a little bit and keep to himself he retaliated and came out with a song called I'm not going away then for spite he came out with a complete album. When asked why he did that he simply said *uck everybody I'm in my prime.

Agreed Matthew

Jason,

For the record, I have never called anyone a liar and I have no reason to lie. I simply said I have never seen $6-$12 a mile rates for a 400 mile flatbed load. My business is a lot like yours Jason, I work out of my backyard too and get better rates for the service and reliability I give my customers. I use this site to try and help make more on some of the longer runs we have by trying to find loads that would work with those coming back to my backyard. I have only used 1 broker on this site and fortunately that's all I have needed. I give you all the credit for getting the business you have, I know it's not easy doing that. I don't have a college diploma or any secondary education either but I have learned from my mistakes along the way and I still make them but as I learn I make less of them. I also am a work in progress, God knows I am not perfect. Thanks for your post.

got it, thanks Jason. Alfred, I hope you have a profitable week too!

I did call bull on getting 12 dollars a mile on general freight , a waltron or hostar is a specialty trailer hauling specialty freight and i can see those rates there. 6 or 7 dollars i can see on some general freight, when the boom was on here in texas i was getting 1500 plus dentention to haul pipe 280 miles , i hauled several loads that paid me over 7 to 9 bucks a mile a couple even more. as far as a broker goes i will only haul direct freight , i see no use in paying someone to make the same phone call I can make myself , the money is better the communication is better , the pay is usually faster. and the bull as well as the lies are non existant. down here where i live its wide open as far as hopper work , its there for the taking , the problem is theres work and lots of it concerned. I haul one way freight and drive right by freight coming back to my loading area every day because it only pays a fraction of my main haul where other guys will haul it and then can't figure out why they are making half what i do every week when they are loaded more than i am or haul more loads than i do. although we all out here use a class 8 truck to generate our revenue there is a definite difference between a truck driver and a businessman. i read this forum everday and alot of you guys seem like good people and if i ever have the need to step out of what i do now i feel like i can probably gain some good advice and learn some new things but short haul within 250 to 300 miles of home has made me a ton of money through the years . everyone has a niche and i have been fortunate enough to have found mine and it has been profitable the key to alot of it is respect and working together. there was a day when you could openly share information back and forth as well as a time when people worked together...i guess those were "the good old days" as they say.

It looks better than new Joe.

I like to go and just look at it.
In 1972 I bought a new cabinover Transtar with a 318 Detroit in it. It wouldnt stay together and broke me by sitting at Farmall getting repaired. I let it go and bought a 1963 B model and 38' Great Dane skateboard from my neighbor at the junk yard. $200 a month and he threw in enough scrap plywood to build sideboards so I disappeared to the watermelon patch.

Long story short. No tags, no permits, no nothing but Lindy Parton @ Commercial Truck Brokers in Haines City didn't have any problem putting 60,000 lbs on it for Kroger in Chicago and Nick Trombulos didn't mind shipping 55-60,000 lbs of plate steel to the shipyards in Tampa. Weight limit was 73,280 so sometimes it got a little iffy in Indiana.

I almost forgot I told you long story short. Long story short that rust bucket Mack and sway back Great Dane saved 2 farms, a new 3 bedroom home, paid a wife through college and gave an old fat man something to grin about when these trade school commando are telling super trucker tales at the Petro.

Later in life I bought a new R model, then a CH, and lastly a new Vision. I was a die-hard Mack man til Revolvo bought them out and started using Renault engines.

Wow :)

And the lowest load actually pays 2.11.... that's the low end.

This is so very true. And i mean at the end of the day if your business is doing good. GREAT but if not...reach out. Drvers can be very hard on dispatchers, brokers etc when the truth of the matter is ITS BUSINESS.

Sorry if you can't handle that then BUSINESS isn't for you

Clint that statement is true. Ive been in this business for over 12 yeras and over 75% of the drivers I work with have followed me through the course of my career and I have helped them grow from 1 truck to no less than 5 a piece I myself...GET NOTHING BUT PRAISE...because I am the one with a 24hr open phone line and helping with any issues that come up, It hasnt been all perfect but I dont have NOT one driver who can bad mouth me :) Plus....drivers talk shit. And i love it :) It tells me , whatever they doing isnt keeping you busy enough LOL

Sounds like you are doing it right

that 2 bucks a mile depends on how you look at it , is that from loading point to unloading pint or from home back to home , every mile a truck moves there is a cost incurred. i base my revenue from my doorstep back to my doorstep. meaning a 400 mile that pays say..900 bucks loaded miles. if you deadhead a 100 from home , then deadhead 200 back home after unload you run700 miles total on that load , at 900 bucks your running for 1.28 a mile all miles. by the time you figure in fuel , ins. heavy use tax , business tax etc. your pretty much coming out with drivers pay for profit....if you don't have any trouble. everytime my motor cranks my business expense clock is ticking. but.... thats just how i look at it. others.... they see things thier way..

true , but having been doing this for over 20 years I have yet to see a broker that did'nt get greedy and charge his fee plus skim money off the rate. i'm aggressive with my business and after about 4 or 5 years of dealing with brokers after I started I would and still will go after direct freight , i've learned that alot of shippers will use an independant as much as a broker , at least thats been my experience and with unlimited calling I can call shippers direct for way less than I can use a broker . case in point , what i'm doing right now..... other guys are running for a broker that charges 11% and is also taking 4 dollars off the rate , i'm hauling the same freight right beside them direct, no brokerage no rate cut. and all it took was a phone call , plus the shipper pays faster than the broker does.another guy a couple years ago was loading melons in the valley going to the same place i was for 1100 dollars through a broker , i was loading the same freight going to the same place direct for 1700... at 10% had his broker been honest the guy would have been getting1530 instead of 1100. i i'm sure there are probably some good brokers out there that are stand up guys , I have yet to see one but i'm sure they exist. A wise old man told me once that the reason they are called brokers is because the more you use them the broker you get.

Mr. Singletary, you are a very wise man I wish more people would figure it out

Rodger what type of trailer do you pull

your quite correct. brokers are there for a reason. as far as running nationwide i leave that to the professionals and just stay within 300 miles of home where the real money is. but also with most ingedient brokers they tend to buy as well as ship very large areas of the country. so with the proper research as well as perserverance its very possible to stay direct 95% of the time , I don't know jason but have looked at his website and our business models seem to be very similar, although i am just a one truck show , i operate as a business not a truck driver whereas i know my daily weekly monthly yearly cost, i know what my expenses are down to the day per unit , ins. fuel cost etc. i keep a close eye on my bottom line , where as alot of guys , probably most just look at thier bank accounts on monday and friday and don't pay attention to the rest as well as most don't know thier operating costs, but have the , if i'm loaded i'm making money attitude. i look at each load seperately , i've seen some with a big number that is low but the bottom line was profitable as well as have seen loads with a high rate that when the dust settled and the numbers came flush there was no or very little profit in it. there was a time years ago when it was done because it was fun and there were always nickels in your case.... these days .... you have to be a business man first and a truck driver second or else all your gonna do is struggle to make ends meet. using a broker at a round number of 10% on 10,000 a month is a loss of 1000 dolars per month ,between office work and spending time doing research on freight , lanes, customer aquisition etc....if you dedicate 15 hours a week doing that and keep that money thats 16 dollars and hour on average. that you get to pay yourself and then once yor base is built the extra hours invested goes down which means your numbers come up. its all in the business model you operate on. i'm not bashing a broker at all , i just have the mindset of why should i pay a broker 12 to 15000 a year thats not tax deductible to do what i can do myself.and make use of that money that i'm giving away.

well thats right. unfortunaltely i am in a truck 5 days a week, its 94 miles to my first load every monday morning and either 156 or 224 miles home from my last load every friday depending on how my guy wants my freight run. he sends my schedule by 9 am every friday morning and I know in advance what my revenue will be for the following week, just like he sends the brokers he uses thier freight for the following week, I know my timeline , my cost, my expense as well as am 85% sure of my profit margin every week in advance. although i am dedicated to this guy with year round work I also always keep a plan b in my back pocket and am always working on plan c, although i already know what i will make a week in advance i base my budget and spending on last weeks take, base next weeks on this weeks take and let next weeks be my cushion. working for a broker..even though most get a week or more worth of freight from thier shipper each week they tend to rather than give thier guys a schedule they make them chase the money on a first come first serve basis although with most guys you have to do that to keep them moving. i've found that running with a schedule during peak feed season there are alot of weeks i can move my freight a day or day and a half early and enjoy a 3 or 4 days weekend. bottom line run your business don't let it run you otherwise you end up with an empty bank account and worn out equipment.

your right and i don't think anybody called anybody else an idiot.

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How do you get an invitation to join? I tried to register (on my phone) but it just goes to the log in screen. I'm looking at growing my small fleet and eventually growing to my own authority.

Ive got a couple trucks i could some more work for

I've tried calling sent email no response

THen a broker is going to sweep in an save them mondey when the realize how badly you are ripping them off.