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Stoplights on rural 4 lane highways

Sep 18, 2016 at 10:45 PM CST
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Recently on a bypass on a neighboring town put in a stop light in the middle of nowhere at a county road intersection. It now looks like an airport runway going both directions.

Why not have the green lights start flashing 10 seconds or so before they switch to yellow, seems as if they always turn right at the point of no return. Any reason this wouldn't work? Thinking about writing my state rep about the idea.
Replied on Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 03:48 PM CST
Out here they usually have a yellow "Prepare to stop" sign with a flashing yellow light a couple hundred yards before the light. Seems to be what you're describing. Might be faster to call the city or county public works department for something like that.
Replied on Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 05:36 PM CST
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It would defeat the purpose of the traffic light if they were to give more warning of an impending red light because the next step is to install a redlight camera to catch all those trucks that can't get stopped because the yellow is too short.
Here is what happened to one of our drivers. Southbound at 80,000 pounds through a northeast Missouri town of Mark Twain fame in a 35 mph zone. Light turns yellow, my driver knows he will be in the middle of the intersection before he can get stopped so he just rolls through. Red light camera has him two feet short of the stop line when the light turns red after a seven second yellow. Ticket arrives in the mail about 60 days later, $160 fine plus points on the driver's CDL for running a red light. My lawyer calls a lawyer in said Missouri town to see if anything can be worked out. His answer, call this third lawyer here in Tom Sawyer's home town and for $200 in fees he will get the ticket changed to "illegal idling" which carries a $200 municipal fine. Problem solved. No points on CDL, no moving violation and no paperwork sent to FMCSA. Is America great or what?.
Replied on Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 07:41 AM CST
America sure is great, I had a similar experience in my personal vehicle. Heading north out of Milwaukee at about midnight doing 70 in the 55 on the interstate as is typical for Milwaukee. The only difference were absolutely no cars besides me and the cop I merged onto the interstate infront of. Got my $180 ticket and 4? points. 3 days later got a letter from a lawyer, had to pay him $60 and a $260 "Parking Ticket."

Side note, I was 20 at the time, been driving for almost 5 years including my temps and it was the first time I was ever pulled over. Naturally couldn't get a warning -.-

These sort of arrangements are pretty common from my understanding, especially in the larger cities.
Replied on Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 07:44 AM CST
Also, to actually add something to this forum relating to the post, the guy above is correct about the flashing warning sign. The trick is if it is actually properly timed to the light. I know we have them here in WI and I have seen them in a few other states. Not sure if it's a national standard or if certain states cheap out on things like this. My guess is it leans to the cheap out side....
Replied on Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:20 AM CST
If the stoplight has a walk/don't walk sign, when the walk sign stops flashing, the light has a few seconds before the yellow starts. Some lights actually count down the seconds to yellow.
Replied on Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:28 AM CST
Your lucky you werent driving a few years ago when all you had was a green and a red light..the yellow light is just a warning light to tell you the light is going to turn red.. that yellow light is supposed to give any traffic on that road doing the speed limit ample time to react and stop before the intersection..if you feel that there isnt enough time on yellow.. contact the owner of the light.. city streets city.. if on a state highway the state.. and talk to them explainig how you believe the yellow just isnt long enough to safely and properly stop. Orrr are you doing the legal speed limit?
Also there is a good driving class that i had taken when i signed on with JB Kelly.. its called the Smith driving technec..and talks about looking at whats called stale green lights..ones thst have been green for a long time..we all think we know everything.. but old dogs can be taught new tricks.. its all about trying to be safe and get home tonight in one piece..good luck.. jeff
Replied on Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 06:57 PM CST
Holy cow Jeff, you're really dating yourself, I'm in my 60's and here in Iowa we have had a green, a yellow, and a red for as long as I can remeber. I hear what your saying and I don't disagree. Between you and Pfluger and Jordan there has been a lot of good information and common sense ditributed on this forum. The point of the post was beware of this place in northeast Missouri because ifts fairly apparent that they are financing a good share of their city budget from extortion with a red light camera. My lawyer and the Missouri lawyer he contacted were law school classmates and pretty good friends. What I gathered from the conversation with my guy was that his friend thought that this city had a pretty good racket going with the red light camera and the "illegal idling" option and that the third lawyer wasn't doing so bad either.
I've got to believe my driver when he says he was well under the speed limit. He hasn't had a moving violation in over three years with us. Can't say whether he was able to tell if it was a stale green or not but I studied the video of the violation and the seven seconds on the yellow was being generous. Maybe he could have gotten stopped but what would that have done to the 35,000 pounds of live turkeys that he had in the wagon.
Why would the city kill their golden goose just because some trucker from Iowa complained?
We can "what if" til the cows come home but we have all heard about the Oklahoma speed trap towns that finance their budget with speeding tickets, this is just another form of legal extorsion and folks need to beware.
Replied on Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 08:12 PM CST
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Ok.. on these red light cameras... ìt is my understanding that the picture has to be a clear picture of the drivers face..anything that blocks the face such as sun glasses.. sun visor etc that blocks the face can be questionable in court..you can request a copy of the picture and they are supposed to give you one..ohh and also a clear picture of the license plate..
In oakland california.. people who had legally stopped and were making a legal right turn were getting these tickets off the camera saying they ran the red light..big fight over that one..red light runners way down.. rear ending accidents way up..
Those old stop lights.. i remember them when i was a little kid back in the 50s in San Francisco.. and you really had to be on your toes.. driving or being a pedestrian.