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TQL is taking 44 percent of the load. How many others are doing the same thing?

Dec 02, 2023 at 09:29 AM CST
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https://twitter.com/TheSBTC/status/1730626457850790161?t=hEieMfej0mCnMSN3eYEGqg&s=19
Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 10:41 AM CST

They're f**** crooks.. All should b locked up

Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 11:29 AM CST
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Given the number of carriers going out of business and the amount of bankruptcy going on, you have to wonder if the lawyers and courts are going to start using this new precedent to go after missing revenue? This could grow into something bigger.
Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 11:30 AM CST

so....who is the uneducated here? are you actually telling us any customer would pay 44% more for their loads?

Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 11:30 AM CST

I cannot find the underlying source on this. It should not matter to the carrier what % TQL or any other broker took from off the load. If the rate the carrier agreed to wasn't enough, they should not have agreed to it. The reality is that if that carrier did not agree to it, another carrier would have. Why would the broker pay more than they have to, unless they deem a specific carrier to provide enough extra value to warrant paying them more than the general pool of carriers?

Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 11:30 AM CST
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Here is another one taking a big chunck of the pie 35%. I hauled these loads last winter at $1,400. Then the brokers came in and cut the rate to $1,000.

Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 01:22 PM CST
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I would only do with with a broker who I never planned to use again... Once you play this card, that broker will never give you another load. So you better be right about them being greedy.

Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 01:57 PM CST
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Quote: "I cannot find the underlying source on this. It should not matter to the carrier what % TQL or any other broker took from off the load. If the rate the carrier agreed to wasn't enough, they should not have agreed to it. The reality is that if that carrier did not agree to it, another carrier would have. Why would the broker pay more than they have to, unless they deem a specific carrier to provide enough extra value to warrant paying them more than the general pool of carriers?"

Truckers make bad choices all the time, there isn’t one anywhere that can make a living on 40 hours of trucking, yet they continue to add trucks and put immigrants in them, then blame brokers for s***** rates? If you can’t pay your bills or retain quality help the market don’t need you, find a new dream.

Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 01:59 PM CST
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Quote: "I would only do with with a broker who I never planned to use again... Once you play this card, that broker will never give you another load. So you better be right about them being greedy. "

So if every carrier requests the original from the broker. And every carrier gets blacklisted for this request. The broker doesn't have any carrier to haul for them.
Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 02:11 PM CST
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Quote: "So if every carrier requests the original from the broker. And every carrier gets blacklisted for this request. The broker doesn't have any carrier to haul for them."

That is the same logic as "If everyone refuses to pay taxes, what is the government going to do? Arrest the whole country?"

As much as people talk, 1 in a million might actually buck the system. The only way to do anything is if the we have MORE government intervention that requires brokers to tell what they are getting for every load.

Do we really want the government more involved in our lives despite this sounding like a good idea?

Replied on Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 06:45 PM CST
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Nancy the customer shouldn't pay 44 percent more. The broker should take a reasonable fee. To the other person. You're God *** right I want to know what that broker is making. If I have to sign some b***** documents that make me promise to basically give up all rights plus my first born. I should have all the risk but let someone one with a smartphone has a better profit margin? Believe it or not there actually honest brokers just not at tql or Robinson or watco supply the list goes on. Besides if you won't stick up for yourself who is? 44 percent how much next time? If you work with honest people you don't have to ask for this c****

Replied on Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 11:05 AM CST
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Shed your invisable chains and politely decline the load. And go about your business.

Replied on Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 02:09 PM CST
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How do you think TQL can build a soccer stadium?

Replied on Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 02:11 PM CST

It is my belief that had the government stayed out of this in the first place, the market would have taken care of itself. As soon as it was mandated that we need a brokers license to post a load that a customer asked us to move for them, it took all of the hard work and trust that was built up and threw it out the window! I see to many in this bulk brokerage game taking money off of the top of the load when they get it and STILL taking their 10-20 percent off of what is left! It is despicable and sleezy to say the least! If you are out there working for a carrier who works with brokers and he does not save himself some work by screenshotting the confirmation from the broker, there is a good chance they are skimming off of the top from you! Seems to be a hard lesson for some to learn, but honesty is the best policy!

Replied on Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 08:27 PM CST
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Does this surprise you if its true? Have never heard of an honest one alive yet.
Replied on Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 08:28 PM CST
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I cannot offer information about other brokers, but I can tell you that I do not take 44% off the top of a load.

I charge a very reasonable rate for the current market. We believe in fighting for the right rate for carriers, so we can have long-lasting relationships.

I do not voluntarily let carriers know my rate, but when they ask, I tell them everytime.

I strongly believe that there is room for everyone at the table, if we work well, and communicate with each other.

When we are working together, it allows everyone to do what they do best. Brokers can haggle with shippers and work out all the details, so the driver only has to worry about where they need to be, and when they need to be there, and keep the product safe along the way.

Think about it this way...if Bob owns a bakery, his only focus should be on making the best loaf of bread for his customers. In order to make the best possible loaf of bread, Bob has to source the best ingredients, perfect the recipe, and make sure he has the best workers, and motivate them to do well every day. Sure...Bob can focus on trying to market the bread, hire his own drivers to deliver the bread, and keep shelves stocked, but that takes time away from providing the best loaf of bread for his customer.

Replied on Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 08:38 AM CST
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This is why the large trucking groups (ATA, TIA) are fighting so hard against the the Broker Transparency legislation that a lot of carriers are trying to get passed. They do not want us to see behind the curtain and see the just how much gets taken off the top before it’s posted. Rates change all the time and contract change, it is a very fluid market that we operate in now. They say they want to protect customer integrity but when do carriers finally get some integrity from predatory brokers and shippers. If you are doing honest things you should have nothing to hide. Just my thought from the peanut gallery!!
Replied on Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 08:38 AM CST
All of them.
Replied on Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 04:33 PM CST
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Quote: "Nancy the customer shouldn't pay 44 percent more. The broker should take a reasonable fee. To the other person. You're God *** right I want to know what that broker is making. If I have to sign some b***** documents that make me promise to basically give up all rights plus my first born. I should have all the risk but let someone one with a smartphone has a better profit margin? Believe it or not there actually honest brokers just not at tql or Robinson or watco supply the list goes on. Besides if you won't stick up for yourself who is? 44 percent how much next time? If you work with honest people you don't have to ask for this c****"

you are absolutely correct, i require current insurance with cargo value and a void cheque to pay into your account. that's it. You get one kick at the can to do your job proper. it's ironic but this is how i obtained one of my more solid customers. turns out they were paying on the average of $7/mt more to a carrier direct than the fair haul all other direct carriers were able to do it for,, interesting.......anyways, yep when you have to sign 12 page agreements to load 42mt of lentils, i think i would be done and done. this is why getting direct customers is ESSENTIAL. use the brokers information and do your homework, cause they sure look at yours.....dont tell me most of you in your areas know the receivers and customers, and if you dont, you should....just sayin

Replied on Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 04:33 PM CST
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Quote: "This is why the large trucking groups (ATA, TIA) are fighting so hard against the the Broker Transparency legislation that a lot of carriers are trying to get passed. They do not want us to see behind the curtain and see the just how much gets taken off the top before it’s posted. Rates change all the time and contract change, it is a very fluid market that we operate in now. They say they want to protect customer integrity but when do carriers finally get some integrity from predatory brokers and shippers. If you are doing honest things you should have nothing to hide. Just my thought from the peanut gallery!!"

There is nothing dishonest about taking 44% off of a load. If they were able to prospect, sell and aquire a customer that is willing to pay a 44% premium over what it actually costs to hire a truck, then they are very good at their business. They must be great sales people and/or provide a lot of value to their customer. It is business- noone owes anyone anything. I don't understand where this notion came from that broker's should be 501(c) nonprofits out to donate extra revenue to truckers. Should truckers offer their tire shop $700 for a $500 tire because the tire shop has mentioned they are struggling? Businesses exist to make a profit for themselves, and there is nothing unethical about raising your margins by increasing revenue and lowering costs. That's the name of the game in business.

Rather than piss everyone off, why don't headlines like this motivate carriers to acquire their own customers? While complaining that the broker is taking too much because they themselves are doing all of the work, they fail to ackwnoedlge that they wouldn't be doing any work if the broker didn't source it for them. When we struggle, we need to find our own fault before others' and take responsiblity for improving our situation. If we think that the problem is brokers keeping too much, then our focus should be on building direct freight customers. Think its too hard? Then maybe reconsider the notion that brokers don't do anything if they are in fact doing the thing you yourself is unwilling to do.

The bottom line is this: Shippers hire brokers to make sourcing trucks easier. Carriers use brokers to make sourcing work easier. The price difference between what the shipper pays and what the carrier charges is, by simple definition, the value of the broker. If you feel too at mercy of that equation, prepare to be a sales person and implement a business plan that does not involve brokers.

Lastly, understad that the true force driving the equation is the supply and demand relationship between freight needing to be moved and trucks availabe to move it. Brokers are also caught in the middle of that equation and are also failing at a high pace in today's market.

Replied on Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 08:31 PM CST
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Quote: "There is nothing dishonest about taking 44% off of a load. If they were able to prospect, sell and aquire a customer that is willing to pay a 44% premium over what it actually costs to hire a truck, then they are very good at their business. They must be great sales people and/or provide a lot of value to their customer. It is business- noone owes anyone anything. I don't understand where this notion came from that broker's should be 501(c) nonprofits out to donate extra revenue to truckers. Should truckers offer their tire shop $700 for a $500 tire because the tire shop has mentioned they are struggling? Businesses exist to make a profit for themselves, and there is nothing unethical about raising your margins by increasing revenue and lowering costs. That's the name of the game in business. Rather than piss everyone off, why don't headlines like this motivate carriers to acquire their own customers? While complaining that the broker is taking too much because they themselves are doing all of the work, they fail to ackwnoedlge that they wouldn't be doing any work if the broker didn't source it for them. When we struggle, we need to find our own fault before others' and take responsiblity for improving our situation. If we think that the problem is brokers keeping too much, then our focus should be on building direct freight customers. Think its too hard? Then maybe reconsider the notion that brokers don't do anything if they are in fact doing the thing you yourself is unwilling to do. The bottom line is this: Shippers hire brokers to make sourcing trucks easier. Carriers use brokers to make sourcing work easier. The price difference between what the shipper pays and what the carrier charges is, by simple definition, the value of the broker. If you feel too at mercy of that equation, prepare to be a sales person and implement a business plan that does not involve brokers. Lastly, understad that the true force driving the equation is the supply and demand relationship between freight needing to be moved and trucks availabe to move it. Brokers are also caught in the middle of that equation and are also failing at a high pace in today's market."

What nobody is mentioning here is that TQL got the customer because they were the Lowest bid, should the customer have went with the higher bid? Why is nobody bashing on the highest bidder for price gouging? I have been screwed over more by fellow truckers than I have brokers, I don’t see any brokers working 70 hours a week and giving half those hours away for free while they staff their offices with exploited immigrants. Just saying.
Replied on Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 07:05 AM CST
It's funny how you put up a news article about the industry and what's going on, and everyone gets all in their feelings. Some are getting defensive about the rates they charge carriers or carriers getting defensive about what should be. Folks blaming brokers, brokers blaming shippers, carriers saying find your own freight, this won't be a problem. It amazes me how asking a simple question to spark thoughts about what might be happening turns into finger-pointing or defensive posturing. If you're able to get loads moved, fine. If you're able to move loads for that rate, fine. This is just to be aware that you could be leaving money in their hands instead of yours.
Replied on Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:32 PM CST
All brokers pay “Adjustable RATE”. They scalp off too then they put a rate together to take there percentages. Have not seen one yet that dont
Replied on Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 07:17 AM CST
Quote: "That is the same logic as "If everyone refuses to pay taxes, what is the government going to do? Arrest the whole country?"As much as people talk, 1 in a million might actually buck the system. The only way to do anything is if the we have MORE government intervention that requires brokers to tell what they are getting for every load. Do we really want the government more involved in our lives despite this sounding like a good idea?"

Get them to make walmart, mcDonald, the food truck, flying J, progressive show us what they pay for stuff while you are at it

Replied on Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 07:24 AM CST
Quote: "This is why the large trucking groups (ATA, TIA) are fighting so hard against the the Broker Transparency legislation that a lot of carriers are trying to get passed. They do not want us to see behind the curtain and see the just how much gets taken off the top before it’s posted. Rates change all the time and contract change, it is a very fluid market that we operate in now. They say they want to protect customer integrity but when do carriers finally get some integrity from predatory brokers and shippers. If you are doing honest things you should have nothing to hide. Just my thought from the peanut gallery!!"

You will never see it. I can create a BOL using the one from the shipper with any number I choose, you would never know the difference.

My invoice to the shipper need only load number and a proof of delivery.

Learn to be better at the business end of being a trucker, such as how to negotiate.

Typical american; "instant everything" without putting in work.

Replied on Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 07:30 AM CST
Quote: "This is why the large trucking groups (ATA, TIA) are fighting so hard against the the Broker Transparency legislation that a lot of carriers are trying to get passed. They do not want us to see behind the curtain and see the just how much gets taken off the top before it’s posted. Rates change all the time and contract change, it is a very fluid market that we operate in now. They say they want to protect customer integrity but when do carriers finally get some integrity from predatory brokers and shippers. If you are doing honest things you should have nothing to hide. Just my thought from the peanut gallery!!"

That is not how business work.....know your market, know your cost of doing business, know your profit margin, do the math to calculate the rate you must get, negotiate better!

Replied on Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 09:55 AM CST
Quote: "That is not how business work.....know your market, know your cost of doing business, know your profit margin, do the math to calculate the rate you must get, negotiate better!"

Say it isn't so Richard! Knowing the market is probably the most important. Sometimes you have to decide, this? or nothing? Personally I don't think there is a wrong answer here. If you've missed the mark, learn from it. Sharpen your pencil and try again. Or not.

Replied on Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 07:30 AM CST
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Quote: "I would only do with with a broker who I never planned to use again... Once you play this card, that broker will never give you another load. So you better be right about them being greedy. "

Why did you agree to haul the load then ? Just refuse
Replied on Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 12:59 PM CST
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Quote: "Why did you agree to haul the load then ? Just refuse"

Haul what load? I never haul a load that doesn't pay what I need and I wouldn't call TQL if they were the last broker on earth. Been there done that 20 years ago.

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 07:03 AM CST

More regulations are not going to make things better for either the trucker or the broker. In the end it is a market of supply and demand, the margins for both the trucker and the broker go up and down depending on the market. Creating more regulations so we can prove what we already know is wasteful and will just add cost to the whole industry which will be good for no one especially the small guys. If a broker can command a high brokerage commission good for them. If a trucker goes direct to shippers and develops good dedicated business good for them. The market will correct the bad actors we don't need the gov't involved to do this.