Warning Jeremy at Stone Plus No Pay

So "Smart Freight Funding" is 100 percent no-strings-attached factoring? I seriously doubt that. Factornig services are scumbag parasites. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Many of these unscrupulous companies claim to never leave you stuck with an unpaid invoice but if you actually READ the contract in full every single one of them have some sort of clause that lists exceptions for when they bounce the invoice back to the Carrier and take their money back dircectly from your bank account. Frankly, if someone is using a factoring company they're probably already underfunded or dealing with a high risk customer with bad credit.

I looked into it heavily over the Summer because my best customer used a third party billing service to handle their accounts payable. This customer sent tons of business my way and always paid well. Problem was, their third party billing service paid very very late. I didn't want to lose their business so I figured I would use a factoring service to offset the huge parasitic drain on my working capital. I quickly found out how utterly imperative it is to READ contracts in their entirety before signing them. This entire industry survives off of the Carrier. All these stuff is built on OUR backs. Meanwhile too many of you are willing to let it continue. Stop feeding the bears!

Why dont you tell the whole story, Wade? You delivered this load on Monday. It rained on Tuesday. Wednesday morning I pulled into our yard, and the smell was HORRIBLE!!! You cannot go within 150' of this material without smelling it. To you, this may be "just gravel" as you put it. To us, this is a product that we sell to a customer. I called you Wednesday to talk to you about it. You said you hauled chicken meal...well, what do you think will happen to chicken meal when it sits on a concrete lot in the sun and gets rained on??? I told you to provide me with a washout reciept, and all of this will go away. It took you until Friday afternoon to get a CLEARLY FORDGED RECIEPT to me. Anyone ever hear of "Bingham Tire and Truck Wash"? Becuase I spent about 45 minutes searching for them online and found ZERO results. So I asked you for their contact info...you couldn't produce it. Instead you send me some big long text about a bunch of whatever nonsense.

Honest and Integrity...right?

It breaks down to this...we have 25 tons of gravel in our parking lot that cannot be sold. It is in the way of other products. It is drawing complaints from customers. We cannot blow out parking lot off at the end of the day because of where this is. And, we have to find a company to wash this rock. Which means loading it into our trucks, hauling it to them, paying them to wash it, and then bringing it back to our yard. All becuase of your NEGLIGENCE and clear disregard for the product that you haul. Stone Plus has been in business for 30 years. We pay ON TIME, EVERY TIME. But you will be held accountable if you contaminate our product. It is that simple.

And don't complain about the rate. Supply and demand sets the rate. If you don't like it, don't haul it.

Anyone who would like to talk to me about this is more than welcome to.

Jeremy Bennison

Stone Plus

904-813-7884

You are so full of crap you have my hand writing on file have it chechecked don't worry ill never haul your cheap freight again garbage rates and you know it I don't care what the freight is gravel or compare your rates they're garbage stop with the excuses you just got a free load of gravel no freight charge your gonna sell that rock if that rock smelled why didn't your people say something when I unloaded stop with the lies I plan to keep letting people know how you do business

More and more lies out of you Wade. Get off of this "its river mud" crap. You know damn good and well that was not corn in you trailer. It was chicken meal. I have been doing this long enough, bought enough loads, and visited enough quarries to know what we are going to get out of a load of rock. River mud is dirty, but does not attract flies. I am telling you, this pile is still in our lot and still smells to hell and back! Instead of crying on the load boards, why don't you admit you messed up? You assumed "its just gravel" so there was no need to even make an attempt to sweep out your trailer.

As for our rates, like I said, supply and demand will set those rates. Some of them may not be so good, but others are. We move gravel out of AL and NC year round for $2.25-$2.50/loaded mile. Because we move dozens of loads per month. It is always available.

Stone Plus has built an excellent reputation over the last 30 years. Because we do honest business. If we mess up, we will admit our fault and make it right. Maybe you should try to do the same!

And to answer why I didn't deadhead back to the midwest for a better rate I had a good load paying 90 dollars a ton going 750 miles but i broke down before i delivered and missed it i grabbed what i could last minute don't tell me you haven't been in that situation if you haven't been your a liar and probably run strictly local your the typical wanna be talking crap

Jeremy your full of crap you've never posted a load paying 2.25 or higher I've called several times you want people to haul your gravel for $105 a ton from Des Moines New Mexico 1500 miles that's a long way from 2.25 per mile I washed that trailer I gave you a receipt you keep avoiding the fact that your accepted and signed for the load never said a word about smell until you called 4 days later you have your product and your gonna sell that product free of freight charges if you have loads paying that you have dedicated companies they don't get posted and they're short loads I'm going to make sure this never happens to anyone else you got me I only pulled that load because I broke down and missed my other load and your load was loading Saturday and kept me from sitting the weekend I should have waited till Monday for my other load but I needed to get home never again your a crook and everyone is going to know it

With all due respect Dale, river gravel is our top selling product. We move thousands of tons of this product every year. It does not stink and does not have flies around it, unless contaminated with an organic product. Decomposition may not last forever, but waht should we do with it in the mean time? The smell is simply unbearable. How are we supposed to walk a customer around our lot and show our product to them when they cannot even be on our property without wanting to vomit? How much do you think it will cost us to get this rock cleaned? Letting the rain wash it off will take weeks, so that is not an option. Keep in mind, I am not the one who took to the load boards complaining. I am simply defending our decision to hold Mr. Miller accountable for the negligence he has shown towards our product. If he provides me with contact info for the washout plant that he says he used, I will verify the authenticity of his recepit and gladly pay him. But I have not been able to find this company and he has been of no help either. What are we supposed to do?

Maybe he could read if you actually used puntuation in your rants. Makes it difficultwhenitallrunstogether.............

doesn't smell on Monday but smells on Tuesday

Wade you need to let this go. I don't think there is a single person reading this that believes you. Yes, it has happened to us before. Only difference is that past haulers admit their mistakes and do not cry about it on a load board. You should know something...under Florida law, the only thing we are missing is 100% absolute proof that this load is contaminated to have you guilty of slander. If we send this to a lab and have it tested, are you truly confident in the results? Are you ready to take this that far? Move. On. Stop your crying. You are not accomplishing anything.

Maybe it's just me but I would NOT consider this a "good" rate as Jeremy so proudly boasted of in one of his previous posts. I took a screenshot of the post and attached it. With ZERO deadhead the rate only came out to be about $2.05/mile to go to Florida. A known dead freight area. Elmore AL to Palm Coast FL paying a measly $38/ton on 446 miles. That's way too cheap even if you're empty in Elmore and have a reload in Palm Beach to elimante empty miles. Hell, even then it's still only covering operating cost at most OOs break even point. So basically hauling for free! If this load's picks and drops were reversed I'd agree it would be a good rate then...but it's not. I'm rarely lucky enough to get anything paying out of of FL. Usually have to deadhead to GA.

I keep hearing that SOME brokers are decent and offer valuable services to OOs but I haven't seen any on this loadboard since I've joined. In fact, I see tons of postings from brokers with "NOT AUTHORIZED" authorities in FMCSA's database and too many that don't have authority at all! Lots of lengthy days to pay, bad credit, poor reviews and/or no bonds. Seems to me, they're more trouble than they're worth. It's a shame because I'd have no problem sharing an open, honest and fair percentage to anyone I could rely on the be my personalized sales force so to speak. BTW, credit isn't a dealbreaker to me as long as the customer is willing pay on COD terms. Otherwise, I wouldn't extend credit to anyone on NET30 terms without a stellar rating.

I've been following this thread sine Wade's first post. I think there's valuable information in it for those who may be so inclined to read it all. If we want to see change in our industry we must be willing to share our knowledge with our brothers. The reason seedy people get away with the things they do is because they can. If more carriers are informed they'll have the power to squash the parasites from taking advantage of them.

someone please correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to me that several years back there was a gang of people on this board complaining about Stone Plus not paying

What do you consider a "REALL" washout receipt? Please share with us what exactly makes a receipt "REALL" or not. Who makes that determination? I would bet that a judge would rule in favor of the carrier if he showed up in court with ANY receipt AND proof of delivery such a legally binding contract like the SIGNED BOL. Even if it were hand written it proves more than he's being accused of. The court's job isn't to determine if a receipt is "REALL" or not but rather the commodity was delivered. It was in FACT delivered and the customer felt the need to accept it by agreeing to the terms clealy stated on the BOL. It's a done deal. Just because he didn't like the smell of some rocks doesn't mean he can steal the commodity from the carrier. In fact, he should give the commodity back to the carrier as refused if he's rejected it. But he can't because he sold it like the thief he is. He sold the goods and kept the freight money. That's theft...period.

If you want good smelling rocks buy you a truck and go get them yourself that's the only way your gonna get the quality control your after the man brought you a product and provided what you ask for your required to pay what's owed if you have an issue with the services there are legal ways to deal with that but even though damage to product may add up to what freight charge is still doesn't give you the right to hold that bill

Yes, you are correct. My mistake. That number is even worse!