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Forum: WHAT'S A HOPPER BOTTOM NEED TO MAKE A LOADED MILE?
Posted Sun, Aug 07 2016 10:47 PM CST 2 Dislikes
JONATHON MORGAN
J.R. MORGAN TRUCKING LLC
Seymour, TX

Posts: 3
I'm very new to the trucking and I know hopper bottoms usually pay by the bushel.. What does it need to pay a loaded mile to make it work? Thanks so much for the info.. REPLY
Posted Mon, Aug 08 2016 09:41 AM CST 13 Likes
ALFRED JORDAN
POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC
PECULIAR, MO

Posts: 1180
More than they are willing to pay.
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Posted Mon, Aug 08 2016 09:12 PM CST 16 Likes 1 Dislike
TROY JEFFERS
BONJO ENTERPRISES LLC
NORTH PLATTE, NE

Posts: 262
Not to be an ass but you should of figured that out before getting a truck or trailer... REPLY
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Posted Mon, Aug 08 2016 10:00 PM CST 8 Likes
DAVID HAYES
ROSS BENNETT TRUCKING INC
Galena, KS

Posts: 232
I would be more concerned with the running miles than the loaded mile. At the end of the day it's all about how many miles you ran vs what you got paid. That $4 a loaded mile for 200 miles don't look so good if you had to run 500 miles to get the job done. REPLY
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Posted Tue, Aug 09 2016 09:49 AM CST
CLIFFORD PETRY
D L BELSHE
GOODLAND , KS

Posts: 3
You need to make at lease 2.25 a mile. This being said if you own your truck & trailer & they are paided for. REPLY
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Posted Tue, Aug 09 2016 09:54 AM CST 1 Like 3 Dislikes
DERRICK BOURBON
BOURBON TRUCKING LLC
Potosi, MO

Posts: 8
"That being said if you own your own truck and trailer and it's paid for"

then haul it for .92 cents a mile and degrade the market ????
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Posted Tue, Aug 09 2016 09:57 AM CST 3 Likes
DERRICK BOURBON
BOURBON TRUCKING LLC
Potosi, MO

Posts: 8
Like cliff said even if you own your Equiptment don't haul for broke like so many do !! REPLY
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Posted Tue, Aug 09 2016 10:45 AM CST 8 Likes 1 Dislike
GLENN SELLHORST
MCWIESER TRUCKING
Fremont, NE

Posts: 106
Forget about loaded miles, it all has to go back to total miles for the week, and if you can't be atleast $2.25 for total miles for the week, you're in a world of hurt, and i don't care if you own your equipment or not REPLY
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Posted Tue, Aug 09 2016 11:12 AM CST 3 Likes 2 Dislikes
CLIFFORD PETRY
D L BELSHE
GOODLAND , KS

Posts: 3
Do not haul anything for .92 a mile. All miles average 2.25. If the fuel goes up charge more. I have been hauling grain and cattle for 38 years. REPLY
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Posted Tue, Aug 09 2016 11:21 PM CST 8 Likes 1 Dislike
ROSE PFLUGER
ROAD WARRIORS TRANSPORTATION INC
MORRISTOWN, AZ

Posts: 581
Per mile is great ,but if you don't get enough miles? I pay attention to per mile, and it is most important, but I also pay attention to how many dollars per day. Cash flow has its importance.

Art Pfluger
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Posted Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:11 AM CST 7 Likes
DUSTIN YANTIS
YANTIS TRUCKING
TAYLORVILLE, IL

Posts: 46
I look at my profitability from multiple angles. How much per mile, how much per day, how much per hour. You have to know your numbers, and everyone's is different. Even tho my equipment is paid for, I still don't haul cheap. My time and effort is worth money. I'm not afraid to sit at home for a week or many weeks if freight is not paying. Just my $.02 REPLY
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Posted Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:45 AM CST 4 Likes
ED MCCONNELL
ET TRUCKING LLC
CASSELTON, ND

Posts: 129
Very good discussion and I am SOOOOO happy to see that we are not the only ones out here not hauling for nothing! The 2.25/all miles is what we shoot for also. Just remember that if you can not make enough money to pay your monthly bills, put money away for repairs and take enough home to support yourself and your family then you might as well be a company driver. There are many hidden cost in the trucking industry and if you keep your rates up you will survive. REPLY
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Posted Thu, Aug 11 2016 10:02 AM CST 1 Like
JEFF JONES
J & SJ TRUCKING
Alexander, AR

Posts: 1
I'm glad you asked this question because reading the comments really helped me out, I'm on the right tracks. Thanks guys REPLY
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Posted Thu, Aug 11 2016 07:32 PM CST 1 Like 1 Dislike
JEFF TOMLINSON
JAESCHKE TRUCK
Callender, IA

Posts: 8
I'm kinda with you. Turning $4800-$6000 a week, but not always at 2.25 a mile. We are paying for two trucks and two trailers. So far so good.
Just figurer your costs. payments, fuel, insurance etc. Look what you need to earn and go from there.
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Posted Thu, Aug 11 2016 09:24 PM CST 2 Likes
DUSTIN YANTIS
YANTIS TRUCKING
TAYLORVILLE, IL

Posts: 46
Glad to see people doing well. Like I said, $10 per mile can be good, but if you only run 50 miles a week, that's bad. $100 per hour for working highway jobs can sound good, but if you only get 10 hours a week, not so good. Anyway, no your numbers, and look at the BIG PICTURE. Godspeed all REPLY
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Posted Thu, Aug 11 2016 09:25 PM CST 1 Like
DUSTIN YANTIS
YANTIS TRUCKING
TAYLORVILLE, IL

Posts: 46
Originally Posted by: DUSTIN YANTIS
Quote: "Glad to see people doing well. Like I said, $10 per mile can be good, but if you only run 50 miles a week, that's bad. $100 per hour for working highway jobs can sound good, but if you only get 10 hours a week, not so good. Anyway, no your numbers, and look at the BIG PICTURE. Godspeed all"

"Know" your numbers, not "no". Darn thumbs
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Posted Thu, Aug 11 2016 10:01 PM CST 1 Like 2 Dislikes
TROY JEFFERS
BONJO ENTERPRISES LLC
NORTH PLATTE, NE

Posts: 262
I have to call bs, just cuase you want 2.25 for all miles means nothing if they won't pay a good rate, your lucky to average a 1.70 for all miles if you are new at this, more like 1.50 with this shit economy REPLY
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Posted Fri, Aug 12 2016 06:54 AM CST 1 Like
GRAYDON STEINER
G.P. STEINER LLC
Huntington Mills, PA

Posts: 15
Then dont haul it !!! If you cant average at least 2.25 a mile all miles your not making money .

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Posted Fri, Aug 12 2016 11:24 AM CST 5 Likes
NANCY HARDER
RAYGLEN COMMODITIES INC.
SASKATOON, SK

Posts: 259
My carriers in Canada want to see around the $3.75 - 4.25/mile loaded, on the short hauls where i want them to run back and forth it could be from $5.25 - 6 on the loaded miles
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Posted Fri, Aug 12 2016 11:27 AM CST 3 Likes 1 Dislike
NANCY HARDER
RAYGLEN COMMODITIES INC.
SASKATOON, SK

Posts: 259
your biggest advantage would be to stay out more, find loads that create a triangle route, instead of back and forth, usually you will find a customer that can fill in some extra revenue at a good rate or better to offset your average for the week. just a suggestion.
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Posted Fri, Aug 12 2016 11:32 AM CST 7 Likes
ALFRED JORDAN
POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC
PECULIAR, MO

Posts: 1180
Cheaper to sit at home and loose money vs. staying out longer. That is one of the downfalls that trucking has come to. Stay out longer, see the family less, make less money. I personally only run my trucks as needed right now, and we are doing fine. Home every other night and each weekend, I don't know if we want to go back to the way it was before running all across the country for supposed big money. We are actually making more profit by making less. Go figure.
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Posted Fri, Aug 12 2016 11:42 AM CST 7 Likes
NANCY HARDER
RAYGLEN COMMODITIES INC.
SASKATOON, SK

Posts: 259
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Cheaper to sit at home and loose money vs. staying out longer. That is one of the downfalls that trucking has come to. Stay out longer, see the family less, make less money. I personally only run my trucks as needed right now, and we are doing fine. Home every other night and each weekend, I don't know if we want to go back to the way it was before running all across the country for supposed big money. We are actually making more profit by making less. Go figure."

and how many months can you do that, or even days? Telling someone to stay at home and lose moeny> what does that even mean? why must you always have such a negative attitude? you yourself say the rates suck and if a truck stayed at home as many times as you suggested we wouldn't even be having this conversation. if a driver wants to run and he knows how much he is making, let him run. what you personally do and what you have the money to do does not apply to these first time guys. staying out longer does not mean losing revenue, it means gaining revenue, whether it be a triangle or doing short haul back and forth for good revenue, lots of options out there for the open minded. if you ran all over the country for no money then that was not a wise business decision on yout part, not anyone elses. you may make a profit by downsizing your fleet, i agree, but the one truck guys need to pay their bills for their set up. just my opinion.
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Posted Fri, Aug 12 2016 01:19 PM CST 1 Like
JEFF YOUNKIN
YOUNKIN ENTERPRISES
Hamilton, MT

Posts: 3
The question you should ask is what is my break even. Once you know your break even then you know what you have to have to be profitable. It is a variable number from company to company. REPLY
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Posted Fri, Aug 12 2016 04:28 PM CST 2 Likes 2 Dislikes
ALFRED JORDAN
POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC
PECULIAR, MO

Posts: 1180
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "and how many months can you do that, or even days? Telling someone to stay at home and lose moeny> what does that even mean? why must you always have such a negative attitude? you yourself say the rates suck and if a truck stayed at home as many times as you suggested we wouldn't even be having this conversation. if a driver wants to run and he knows how much he is making, let him run. what you personally do and what you have the money to do does not apply to these first time guys. staying out longer does not mean losing revenue, it means gaining revenue, whether it be a triangle or doing short haul back and forth for good revenue, lots of options out there for the open minded. if you ran all over the country for no money then that was not a wise business decision on yout part, not anyone elses. you may make a profit by downsizing your fleet, i agree, but the one truck guys need to pay their bills for their set up. just my opinion."

Actually Nancy, I was trying to be positve. Our rates are not sucking for us, like I said we are running less miles per week and making less gross per week, but making more profit per week. Rates are staying where we want them, we just don't go into loser areas where they don't want to pay anything. We try and get round trip money and pretty much do.

As far as the new drivers out there thinking they can run a business on $1.25 per mile and just run more miles. They will stay out for weeks upon end, end up with a shamble of a life at home. End up with a truck that they can't afford to fix up, get a new one again, run their ass off again, wife divorces them and takes 50% of their money. The driver that runs like this ends up with health issues and comes down to the end of their lives lonely, broke, and unhealthy, just sitting around a local truck stop talking about the good ol days.

How many days, months, or years can I run my equipment at a profti without running for weeks on end? As long as I can I will.

I asked three ladies at the Flying J this question because I thought maybe it was a man/woman thing you not understanding my statement.

I asked the ladies if it cost more for them to go to work then what they made at work what would they do?

All three responded back that they would just stay at home and look for another job. Basically what I am teaching others, be more selective on your freight, rates, locale, and if they don't pay enough you are better to sit at the house instead of running at a loss or even barely profit.

It is very easy for one that does not have to run the miles and put up with the BS that goes on out here, to sit in an ivory office and tell us dumb truckers how to run a perfect triangle, or how cheap we can run our equipment down the road. We all have seen your past postings Nancy, we know that you like to take the cheapest truck possible, you said so last summer. DID YOU FORGET? We did not.

I am very patient, and am watching trucking companies, and brokerages falling by the wayside each and every month. I get a report every month from a firm that tracks such things. The tide will change in my estimation over the next eight months. In the meantime we at the Independent Carrier Group are preparing for the next round, and we only plan on working with the honorable shippers and honorable brokers. We figure the dishonorable shippers, brokers, and carriers all deserve each other.
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Posted Fri, Aug 12 2016 04:43 PM CST 2 Likes 1 Dislike
NANCY HARDER
RAYGLEN COMMODITIES INC.
SASKATOON, SK

Posts: 259
Pretty selective memory you have for generalized insults to our side of the industry..... lol, try to take a break and have a great weekend!
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Posted Fri, Aug 12 2016 05:15 PM CST 1 Dislike
ALFRED JORDAN
POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC
PECULIAR, MO

Posts: 1180
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "Pretty selective memory you have for generalized insults to our side of the industry..... lol, try to take a break and have a great weekend!"

I am sure the others remember it as well as I. You are fortunate that Jason is riding his Harley back from Sturgis right now, if he saw your posting he would have opened it up. I hope you understand what I was saying about not leaving the house for a loss now. As far as the generalized insults, I have already been the shipper, and the broker, so I feel pretty comfortable stating what I really know is going on.

I have never accused all brokers of being dishonorable, have I? If that were the case then my company would be in real trouble. I do know that right now that shippers are putting the squeeze on the brokers and mega-carriers to get cheaper rates. They see the blood running, and are just lapping it up like the dogs that they are. It is the shippers that pushed for deregulation in the first place. An honorable shipper wants to move their product on the most qualified carrier and wants to pay a fair rate, and they may choose to use a brokerage for protection and administrative purposes. An honorable broker receives compensation for his/her services and likewise makes sure the quality carrier receives the rate they deserve. An honorable carrier knows their numbers and keeps their word to their customers whether it be a shipper or a broker. We can see where the break down is in our industry and the good old USA as a whole. Greed, Greed, Greed, lack of integrity in all forms, when a lie is better than the truth we have a major problem. I always thought you Canadians were honorable, that was the experience I used to have whenever I ran up there or worked the farm as a kid. I guess the good old USA Greed has spread across the world now.
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Posted Sat, Aug 13 2016 03:07 AM CST 1 Dislike
TROY JEFFERS
BONJO ENTERPRISES LLC
NORTH PLATTE, NE

Posts: 262
Hey Einstein , I mean Nancy, you forgot to mention that you guys haul b- trains at 137,000 pounds...... REPLY
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Posted Sun, Aug 14 2016 05:17 PM CST 1 Like 1 Dislike
MICHAEL HOFER
XHUTT TRUCKING
Alexander, MB

Posts: 32
Hey Alfred u hit the nail on the head they think we shud haul the loads for next to nothing while they pocket the money, if more truckers wud b more like Alfred than we cud run the poor excuses for a broker firm out of bussiness an work straight for the source I got no use for brokers that think we need them to make a living we pay their wages REPLY
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Posted Mon, Aug 15 2016 10:00 AM CST 3 Likes
ED MCCONNELL
ET TRUCKING LLC
CASSELTON, ND

Posts: 129
Alfred you are my hero and an absolute genius! I love reading your posts and think you are spot on! I read Nancy"s statment that her canadian drivers like to see 3.25-4.50 per mile so i ask her why does she think the AMERICAN trucks should run for 1.50-1.60 per mile? Do we not do the same work? I find it disheatening that there are rates for some trucks but not others and like Alfred stated, you are looking for the cheapest trucks and most of the timr you get what you pay for! REPLY
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Posted Fri, Aug 19 2016 12:58 PM CST 2 Likes
GLENN BAKER
BAKER FARMS TRUCKING
WINNER, SD

Posts: 12
What are you guys hauling. 2.25/ mile for an average . Not off this load board! I'm not drinking the kool aide guys. Average on here right now is probably less than 1.50/ mile. I can get 3.75/ loaded mile from farmers but not anywhere near that from elevators or the like.
If you truly can average 2.25 for all miles then give me a call, load my trucks and keep .25 cents/mile for yourself. I'm being dead serious call me. You obviously are better at load procurement than us.
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Posted Fri, Aug 19 2016 01:00 PM CST 1 Like
GLENN BAKER
BAKER FARMS TRUCKING
WINNER, SD

Posts: 12
Oops forgot the phone number. 507 589 5600. By the our trucks are sitting at home REPLY
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Posted Fri, Aug 19 2016 01:32 PM CST
JASON WEAST
FAIR GROVE TRUCKING
Fair Grove, MO

Posts: 611
Originally Posted by: GLENN BAKER
Quote: "Oops forgot the phone number. 507 589 5600. By the our trucks are sitting at home"

Glenn if you were in my backyard I'd be more than happy to give you some of the work that you want there's a lot of work down here if you know how to find it but it's just in my backyard it doesn't go anywhere but maybe two hundred miles from home
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Posted Fri, Aug 19 2016 04:15 PM CST
MARK GRANDSTAFF
GRANDSTAFF TRUCKING, LLC
Walton, IN

Posts: 8
Originally Posted by: GLENN BAKER
Quote: "What are you guys hauling. 2.25/ mile for an average . Not off this load board! I'm not drinking the kool aide guys. Average on here right now is probably less than 1.50/ mile. I can get 3.75/ loaded mile from farmers but not anywhere near that from elevators or the like. If you truly can average 2.25 for all miles then give me a call, load my trucks and keep .25 cents/mile for yourself. I'm being dead serious call me. You obviously are better at load procurement than us."

Glenn i would like to know the answer to your question too. You're right about rates on this board, terriable. Alot of 2.10 a loaded mile then bounce to the next load for another cheap one, by end of day the average really sucks. Also seeing the same thing in this area, had an ADM processor call the other day to haul beans for them. I asked about rates from locations they were hauling from, and it figured out to about 1.38 a running mile then probably have to sit in a three hour line to get unloaded, not gonna do it but somebody will. There are many bean processors and ethanol plants within 50 mile radius of me and i can't haul any of their products because rates are so poor but they never seem to be short of trucks, don't get it. I too have been sitting for quite so time other than a few short loads i do for a customer each week. hope it turns around soon!
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Posted Sat, Aug 20 2016 12:36 AM CST 3 Likes
JOE BAXTER
BAXTER BROS, INC
GLADE, KS

Posts: 3
Originally Posted by: GLENN BAKER
Quote: "What are you guys hauling. 2.25/ mile for an average . Not off this load board! I'm not drinking the kool aide guys. Average on here right now is probably less than 1.50/ mile. I can get 3.75/ loaded mile from farmers but not anywhere near that from elevators or the like. If you truly can average 2.25 for all miles then give me a call, load my trucks and keep .25 cents/mile for yourself. I'm being dead serious call me. You obviously are better at load procurement than us."

Glenn, I can get you $2.25 a runnin mile no problem! Just like Jason and Alfred...you're gonna be on local grain hauls but wtf who cares?? Your per mile is great! Those guys bitch about the rates and then when somebody calls them out they say "oh no I got this rate going for me"....so most of us know their lying cause why else complain about the rates? Oh cause they suck at what they do and they run old junk and just wanna bash brokers for their own stupidity? Ready for you paragraph Alfred!! Cause I absolutely loved that dumb and dumber part 1-4 was awesome I even recommended it to a friend! Coulda guessed after part 1 how it ended for such a badass like you!!
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Posted Sat, Aug 20 2016 09:42 AM CST
DISPATCH @ ROCKIN S TRUCKIN
ROCKIN S TRUCKIN INC
Weatherford, TX

Posts: 5
Jason if yall need help over there and there is plenty of work I woulnt mind sending a couple to haul out of the field. Give me a holler and we can work it out. Mike 817-999-0356 REPLY
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Posted Sat, Aug 20 2016 06:04 PM CST
JASON WEAST
FAIR GROVE TRUCKING
Fair Grove, MO

Posts: 611
Originally Posted by: DISPATCH @ ROCKIN S TRUCKIN
Quote: "Jason if yall need help over there and there is plenty of work I woulnt mind sending a couple to haul out of the field. Give me a holler and we can work it out. Mike 817-999-0356"

Mike, I will call Monday,
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Posted Sat, Aug 20 2016 06:09 PM CST
GRAYDON STEINER
G.P. STEINER LLC
Huntington Mills, PA

Posts: 15
If your referring to me I am not bashing anyone, if brokers are getting it hauled for a 1.70 running mile so be it I wont run my truck for less than 2.25 a running mile period!!! What I dont get is if they have all these trucks running it for that why are they posting on here looking for trucks ? REPLY
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Posted Sat, Aug 20 2016 06:52 PM CST
JASON WEAST
FAIR GROVE TRUCKING
Fair Grove, MO

Posts: 611
Well I looked at Cherry Commodities and I averaged 26 loads they have posted with a whopping $1.36CPM call them they might keep you loaded REPLY
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Posted Sun, Aug 21 2016 07:48 AM CST 4 Likes 1 Dislike
GARY MORRIS
MORRIS TRUCKING
GATEWOOD, MO

Posts: 57
I got out of hopper a few years back but still run flatbed and van. Worst wait times I ever saw were pulling a hopper. You guys talking about $2.25 per mile on the 200 mile or less runs need to go back and look at your total per day as some have already stated. That load can end up taking all day. That's $450 or less for a day. Far better off with a 600 mile load at $1.75 per mile for $1050 per day. You need to see the big picture. REPLY
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Posted Sun, Aug 21 2016 09:32 AM CST 1 Like
JASON WEAST
FAIR GROVE TRUCKING
Fair Grove, MO

Posts: 611
When those of us I deal with talk about rate per mile it is calculatedfrom my house back to my house. All the grain that anyone I deal with pays round trip, it always has. Guy's, get familiar with your local farmers and you will start making a decent living. If you're backyard doesn't do well with hoppers then you have the wrong dream, hoppers are my made to go out and back, not otr REPLY
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Posted Sun, Aug 21 2016 03:16 PM CST
GRAYDON STEINER
G.P. STEINER LLC
Huntington Mills, PA

Posts: 15
Originally Posted by: GARY MORRIS
Quote: "I got out of hopper a few years back but still run flatbed and van. Worst wait times I ever saw were pulling a hopper. You guys talking about $2.25 per mile on the 200 mile or less runs need to go back and look at your total per day as some have already stated. That load can end up taking all day. That's $450 or less for a day. Far better off with a 600 mile load at $1.75 per mile for $1050 per day. You need to see the big picture."

2.25 a running mile is a bare minimum and thats on the 600 mile trip as well, you need to base your rates on 140.00 an hour for truck and trailer those loads that take all day but only run 200 miles need to figured differently
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Posted Tue, Aug 23 2016 11:42 PM CST
JOE BAXTER
BAXTER BROS, INC
GLADE, KS

Posts: 3
Originally Posted by: GRAYDON STEINER
Quote: "2.25 a running mile is a bare minimum and thats on the 600 mile trip as well, you need to base your rates on 140.00 an hour for truck and trailer those loads that take all day but only run 200 miles need to figured differently "

Graydon, what are you waiting on then? You could make a killing off Glenn and I. $2.25 bare minimum pulling a hopper?!? Hell yea I'm all in!! contact me please.
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Posted Wed, Aug 24 2016 11:18 AM CST
JASON WEAST
FAIR GROVE TRUCKING
Fair Grove, MO

Posts: 611
Originally Posted by: JOE BAXTER
Quote: "Glenn, I can get you $2.25 a runnin mile no problem! Just like Jason and Alfred...you're gonna be on local grain hauls but wtf who cares?? Your per mile is great! Those guys bitch about the rates and then when somebody calls them out they say "oh no I got this rate going for me"....so most of us know their lying cause why else complain about the rates? Oh cause they suck at what they do and they run old junk and just wanna bash brokers for their own stupidity? Ready for you paragraph Alfred!! Cause I absolutely loved that dumb and dumber part 1-4 was awesome I even recommended it to a friend! Coulda guessed after part 1 how it ended for such a badass like you!! "

Mr. Baxter I am so glad you know about how I run my business and I'm so glad that you know that I run junk trucks the only reason why we complain about the rates it's because it's true but anyway. If you call staying within 250 miles of my home local and that's good because that's about as far as the hopper needs to go before it starts losing money anyone that knows hopportunity knows that is true but we all have different dreams it's okay to say bad things about me and my business I believe you're just jealous because I know how to make good money you have a good day. PS the reason why the rates are just for me is because I got rid of all the employees and it is just me maybe if you are better quality independent you can get good rates like some of us.
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Posted Wed, Aug 24 2016 09:43 PM CST
ALFRED JORDAN
POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC
PECULIAR, MO

Posts: 1180
Originally Posted by: JOE BAXTER
Quote: "Glenn, I can get you $2.25 a runnin mile no problem! Just like Jason and Alfred...you're gonna be on local grain hauls but wtf who cares?? Your per mile is great! Those guys bitch about the rates and then when somebody calls them out they say "oh no I got this rate going for me"....so most of us know their lying cause why else complain about the rates? Oh cause they suck at what they do and they run old junk and just wanna bash brokers for their own stupidity? Ready for you paragraph Alfred!! Cause I absolutely loved that dumb and dumber part 1-4 was awesome I even recommended it to a friend! Coulda guessed after part 1 how it ended for such a badass like you!! "

Glad you enjoyed the story Joe. Which character do you believe you are? I am not the one complaining about hopper rates, my hopper has been parked for a very long time now. Until the rates come back where they are supposed to be, I can just leave it parked. I guess a 2014 Timpte is junk in your book, also those 2013 Danes, and the 2016 Dane that I just bought. True I am not running brand new trucks, but at least mine are not in the shop all the time getting their EPA systems worked on. If you remember right in the story there was a shipper, broker, and carrier involved clear up to the end. I only bash those that are dishonorable, they deserve it, whether they are the shipper, broker, or the carrier (trucker).

I just interviewed a few truckers over here at Newton, Ks. had them give me their information for my carriers cost calculator, if they even knew their information. Then I asked them how much they should be making per mile, you guessed it hardly any of them knew. As a matter of fact the only one that knew was a Russian Gentleman, he had his numbers nuts on. The rest of those guys sure could tell you what rear end went with what Cat motor, in their trucks, they could tell you what was the best transmission to go along with that combo, but when it came to the most important numbers of all, they were lost.

I guess that is the response you were looking for, sorry it took me a few days to get back to you. When you decide to prove this Missouri boy wrong, you are welcome to come on over and show me the numbers. Remember many others have stopped by and none have proven me wrong as of yet. Maybe you will be the first, I would like somebody to prove me wrong, then I would adjust accordingly.

Your turn Joe
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Posted Wed, Aug 24 2016 11:29 PM CST
ROSE PFLUGER
ROAD WARRIORS TRANSPORTATION INC
MORRISTOWN, AZ

Posts: 581
Alfred it's no wonder your from the "Show Me State". LOL.

Art Pfluger
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Posted Thu, Aug 25 2016 09:54 PM CST
JASON WEAST
FAIR GROVE TRUCKING
Fair Grove, MO

Posts: 611
Originally Posted by: GLENN SELLHORST
Quote: "Forget about loaded miles, it all has to go back to total miles for the week, and if you can't be atleast $2.25 for total miles for the week, you're in a world of hurt, and i don't care if you own your equipment or not"

Glenn, I told Marcy about your lil stunt at Sapp brothers, she said you pulled a Jason. Lol
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Posted Tue, Sep 26 2017 11:57 AM CST 1 Like
CHARLES WIEGAND
RUTH MACHINERY
Moro, IL

Posts: 2
Hello, Jason;

I'm in your backyard (just outside St. Louis), or close enough to your backyard. Would you share some of your contacts for this endless work you refer to? I'm certainly interested in getting in on some of that. Thank you!
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Posted Tue, Sep 26 2017 12:03 PM CST
CHARLES WIEGAND
RUTH MACHINERY
Moro, IL

Posts: 2
Sorry, forgot to put my contact info in: 314-285-3938 or [email protected] REPLY
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Posted Wed, Sep 27 2017 02:06 PM CST
PAM ANDERSON
JNP TRANSPORT
Bloomsdale, MO

Posts: 8
I have not read all of the responses you received to your question. When I calculate the rate I need on a load, I look at the loaded miles on a load and figure atleast $2 per mile. If it's a short hop, say under 500 miles I will up that to say $2.40 a loaded mile. Then I will look at all miles. I will not move a load, if I cannot make $1.80 per loaded mile. That's my break even point. I alway calculate loads using 25 tons. Hope that helps. REPLY
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Posted Sun, Nov 19 2017 08:55 AM CST
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
Grayson that's bullshit REPLY
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Posted Tue, Nov 21 2017 07:00 AM CST
JOHN SCHAFER
A 2 Z TRANSPORT
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Posts: 1
I think that is what he is doing REPLY
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Posted Tue, Nov 21 2017 10:27 AM CST 2 Dislikes
KEVIN THOENY
PRAIRIE MOUNTAIN RANCH
Roundup, MT

Posts: 3
I may be a little more expensive in my figures, but I have a formula that I use. I quote $0.15 per ton per mile for anything between the continental divide and the Mississippi River. If I have rolls or go outside of that area, I bump it up to $0.20. If it is outside the area and has tolls , I have been known to go to $0.25.
That's what I charge and I know that it's hi, but I don't truck for free.
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Posted Fri, Nov 24 2017 10:05 AM CST
MEL ROSARIO
MEL TRUCKING
Orlando, FL

Posts: 6
Triangle is the key for OTR money
good point
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Posted Tue, Nov 28 2017 09:09 AM CST 2 Likes
ED MCCONNELL
ET TRUCKING LLC
CASSELTON, ND

Posts: 129
Originally Posted by: TROY JEFFERS
Quote: "I have to call bs, just cuase you want 2.25 for all miles means nothing if they won't pay a good rate, your lucky to average a 1.70 for all miles if you are new at this, more like 1.50 with this shit economy "

If you are averaging 1.50-1.70/mile on all miles you are not making money! When I bid a job at a MINIMUM of 2.25/mile it is on ALL miles from my last load to the end of the next load. If the rate is not accepted then I move on to the next load. We are a small company but I have 17 AWESOME drivers/Owner operators that do an EXCELLENT job! We get our money in today's economy.

It's out there, you just have to be willing to ask for it!

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Posted Wed, Nov 29 2017 07:25 PM CST 2 Dislikes
GREG BOMMELMAN
WILDWIND TRANSPORT
DONNYBROOK, ND

Posts: 64
It doesn’t go in the hopper unless it is 2,25 mile plus 5.5% fuel charge based on 2.00 per gallon fuel. I run 4 states legal at 98500 with a 50 foot 3 hopper
have no issues with backhauls yet.
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Posted Mon, Jan 01 2018 01:52 PM CST
JASON BURKE
BURKE FARMS
Newton, AL

Posts: 1
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Posted Mon, Jan 01 2018 02:43 PM CST 2 Likes
CLARENCE DRESSEL
C&M TRUCKING INC
Hoven, SD

Posts: 13
There is no such thing as a back haul !!!! REPLY
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Posted Wed, Jan 10 2018 03:13 PM CST 2 Likes
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
some of you wanna be truckers tickle me saying you dont haul anything undre $4.00 a mile you must sit alot most of you sound like local drivers wanting make a lot of money running very few miles would be nice but not realistic i love it when people say you can not make it on $1.50 to $ 1.70 per mile maybe you should look at your money management skills i have a 2016 389 pete I averaged $ 1.60 per mile I grossed 260 thousand for 10 months if you want to be home everynight you can notexpect to make big money get of your ass and work my truck was in the body shop for 2 months because of a wanna be local driver that hit me i would have done much better i was pulling tank I intend to go back to hopper the rates are better I have no delusions that I can be home everynight and make big money the rates are low on all local runs because of supply and demand if you have 300 drivers and just a 100 loads they can pay what they want because they 300 drivers begging for a load because they have to be home everynight if you have to be home everynight you will take what they want to pay i do not blame anyone for wanting to be home but thats the way it works its all about the effort you give REPLY
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Posted Wed, Jan 10 2018 09:50 PM CST
TROY JEFFERS
BONJO ENTERPRISES LLC
NORTH PLATTE, NE

Posts: 262
Originally Posted by: WADE MILLER
Quote: "some of you wanna be truckers tickle me saying you dont haul anything undre $4.00 a mile you must sit alot most of you sound like local drivers wanting make a lot of money running very few miles would be nice but not realistic i love it when people say you can not make it on $1.50 to $ 1.70 per mile maybe you should look at your money management skills i have a 2016 389 pete I averaged $ 1.60 per mile I grossed 260 thousand for 10 months if you want to be home everynight you can notexpect to make big money get of your ass and work my truck was in the body shop for 2 months because of a wanna be local driver that hit me i would have done much better i was pulling tank I intend to go back to hopper the rates are better I have no delusions that I can be home everynight and make big money the rates are low on all local runs because of supply and demand if you have 300 drivers and just a 100 loads they can pay what they want because they 300 drivers begging for a load because they have to be home everynight if you have to be home everynight you will take what they want to pay i do not blame anyone for wanting to be home but thats the way it works its all about the effort you give "

So did you do the math yet or have you realized that your probably not making much money ?
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Posted Wed, Jan 10 2018 10:40 PM CST 1 Dislike
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
yeah Troy Jeffers I have done the math i did real well thats $26000.00 a month average i did not run local your not going to come close running local i notice everyone demanding more money for less work i think $160,000.00 after fuel and truck notes insurancs all expenses pretty good money in my book theres a lot of drivers at TRimac doing the same I hear everybody saying they will not pull a load if it does not pay what they want well i will be making money while they wait for that big load Trimac pays $ 1.65 plus fuel $ 1.17 plus fuel you can make a good living at that rate you just have to make an effort local work just does not pay that well rates on some loads may pay a little better but if you have 300 trucks fighting for 100 loads rates go down demanding more money will never work if the local market is flooded with trucks I watch these log haulers the rates were good until everyone bought an old truck now theres way to many trucks fighting for the same loads theres less loads available you just can not demand more money the demand for the products has not changed maybe thinning the work force would help but everyone wants to be home everynight which is good for me I can stay gone a few days to make what I need I have a friend that will not run the road at but complains he can not pay his bills I suggested cutting his bills living within his means npoe he complains daily and begs for a raise daily work more or getting something over the road is not an option he just thinks his company should pay him more its the new liberal way REPLY
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Posted Wed, Jan 10 2018 11:07 PM CST 1 Like
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
Troy Jeffers another example is tank rates are down because theres so many new compainies driving rates down I"m getting out hopper rates are better 2 or 3 dollars a miles if your willing to stay gone a few days good for me no competition everyone is fighting over the local stuff driving rates down farther REPLY
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Posted Wed, Jan 10 2018 11:25 PM CST
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
Jeff Tomlinson your correct it is not all about the per mile sitting waiting on big loads makes you nothing as long as you get to the money you need thats what matters pulling to cheap is not good but sitting does not pay at all REPLY
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Posted Thu, Jan 11 2018 07:38 AM CST 1 Like
SHANE ROSE
ROSE TRANSPORT
ANDERSONVILLE, TN

Posts: 37
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "and how many months can you do that, or even days? Telling someone to stay at home and lose moeny> what does that even mean? why must you always have such a negative attitude? you yourself say the rates suck and if a truck stayed at home as many times as you suggested we wouldn't even be having this conversation. if a driver wants to run and he knows how much he is making, let him run. what you personally do and what you have the money to do does not apply to these first time guys. staying out longer does not mean losing revenue, it means gaining revenue, whether it be a triangle or doing short haul back and forth for good revenue, lots of options out there for the open minded. if you ran all over the country for no money then that was not a wise business decision on yout part, not anyone elses. you may make a profit by downsizing your fleet, i agree, but the one truck guys need to pay their bills for their set up. just my opinion."

Thats what all these brokers think. Keep the wheels turning and haul our cheap ass freight. It'll get better one day. Horseshit I'd rather stay home and go broke than out here running to make someone else money.

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Posted Thu, Jan 11 2018 07:53 AM CST
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
loads are there paying that just not local you gotta get out to make it REPLY
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Posted Thu, Jan 11 2018 08:01 AM CST
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
you'll go broke fast that way REPLY
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Posted Thu, Jan 11 2018 08:06 AM CST
TROY JEFFERS
BONJO ENTERPRISES LLC
NORTH PLATTE, NE

Posts: 262
Originally Posted by: WADE MILLER
Quote: "yeah Troy Jeffers I have done the math i did real well thats $26000.00 a month average i did not run local your not going to come close running local i notice everyone demanding more money for less work i think $160,000.00 after fuel and truck notes insurancs all expenses pretty good money in my book theres a lot of drivers at TRimac doing the same I hear everybody saying they will not pull a load if it does not pay what they want well i will be making money while they wait for that big load Trimac pays $ 1.65 plus fuel $ 1.17 plus fuel you can make a good living at that rate you just have to make an effort local work just does not pay that well rates on some loads may pay a little better but if you have 300 trucks fighting for 100 loads rates go down demanding more money will never work if the local market is flooded with trucks I watch these log haulers the rates were good until everyone bought an old truck now theres way to many trucks fighting for the same loads theres less loads available you just can not demand more money the demand for the products has not changed maybe thinning the work force would help but everyone wants to be home everynight which is good for me I can stay gone a few days to make what I need I have a friend that will not run the road at but complains he can not pay his bills I suggested cutting his bills living within his means npoe he complains daily and begs for a raise daily work more or getting something over the road is not an option he just thinks his company should pay him more its the new liberal way"

So your trying to tell us you made 160,000 you paid yourself at 1.60 mile..... whatever
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Posted Thu, Jan 11 2018 09:12 AM CST 1 Like
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
I disagree you can run farther out with a hopper it's your choice to stay close to home and that's fine but there is money in hopper going farther not everyone is cut out for it REPLY
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Posted Thu, Jan 11 2018 09:22 AM CST 1 Like
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
reread what I said and after all expenses that what had left but I run hard and I'm willing to spend a few days from to make what I need and want to make if you want to be home everyday and every weekend no you will not make that and that's fine if that's your choice but I'm old school and I've never had a problem working I was raised by a workaholic my dad worked 51 years in a factory and farmed 1500 acres with livestock he taught me you get what you earn nothing is free if you want it go get it REPLY
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Posted Thu, Jan 11 2018 09:09 PM CST 1 Like
HOWARD RASMUSSEN
RAZZ TRUCKING LLC
Wendell, MN

Posts: 108
If you want some information on how to figure what you need email me. We all started out new and needed info. I would be willing to have a conversation with you off the forum. [email protected] REPLY
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Posted Fri, Jan 12 2018 09:55 AM CST
COREY MUELLER
COREY'S CUSTOM TRUCKING LLC.
Eden, WI

Posts: 10
I try to look for loads that all my miles in a day average me 2.18-2.25 but then kinda loads are hard to find I've been noticing cause all they want to pay is around 1.20 loaded mile to the 1.70 loaded and that is too cheap you will go broke doing that go off of all miles traveled in a day so you gotta look at like around the minimum of 4 bucks a loaded mile I'm new to the industry too looking for work as well in Wisconsin REPLY
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Posted Fri, Jan 12 2018 12:22 PM CST
WADE MILLER
MILLER TRUCKING
Ocean Springs, MS

Posts: 36
There's a lot of local drivers fighting for them loads driving rates down REPLY
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Posted Mon, Apr 29 2019 07:44 AM CST
CHUCK WIEGAND
RUTH MACHINERY COMPANY LLC
Alhambra, IL

Posts: 1
Originally Posted by: CHARLES WIEGAND
Quote: "Hello, Jason; I'm in your backyard (just outside St. Louis), or close enough to your backyard. Would you share some of your contacts for this endless work you refer to? I'm certainly interested in getting in on some of that. Thank you!"

Interestingly, Jason never called or emailed me. Perhaps the endless work he spoke about was non-existent after all.
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Posted Mon, Apr 29 2019 07:46 AM CST 3 Dislikes
AMY GREEN
TMC
Ames, IA

Posts: 1

I think you need to take several things into consideration. A good guide would be $2.20 per mile but for some that number could be lower or higher. What is more important is the truck productivity or daily productivity and that would be a mix of mileage rate and revenue.

You could run for $4 per mile as someone else stated but if you only do 100 miles per day, you will soon go broke.

Depending on the overheads you have you will need a daily productivity that might vary from $600 - 1100. I would say an average for a small company without too much overhead cost and no large truck or trailer payment to be around $750

There are a lot of variables so sorry I am not being more spcific.

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Posted Mon, Apr 29 2019 09:29 AM CST
DEAN HUGHSON
WALK-WAY TRANSPORT
WINTHROP, IA

Posts: 143
This forum is over two and half years old. I wonder how many of these people are still in the hopper business or in business at all. Sometimes it's hard to tell if they are talking loaded miles or all miles. Lots to consider in rates. If that $2.20 - $2.25 is for LOADED miles the next load better be around the corner and I don't think that is the case often enough in the bulk business. But that has been how the van, flat and reefer business look at it. 2018 not withstanding. REPLY
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Posted Mon, Apr 29 2019 01:32 PM CST
GREG BOMMELMAN
WILDWIND TRANSPORT
DONNYBROOK, ND

Posts: 64
Originally Posted by: ED MCCONNELL
Quote: "Very good discussion and I am SOOOOO happy to see that we are not the only ones out here not hauling for nothing! The 2.25/all miles is what we shoot for also. Just remember that if you can not make enough money to pay your monthly bills, put money away for repairs and take enough home to support yourself and your family then you might as well be a company driver. There are many hidden cost in the trucking industry and if you keep your rates up you will survive."

I do a per ton per mile normally it is 2.25 all miles I adjust to a loaded mile if it is liteweight. Based on a full load.

Many people think 1.90 one way is ok. But when you have to get the dogs out to find something to load. 1.90 is way too short

charge whatever works as long as it fits you needs.

Brokers always advertise the cheap rates. Hoping someone will bite. East central in Minnesota is one of the worst you can work with. They are always the cheapest they ask for a bid then after that the go after their broker fee example you bid .50 a bushel on a 150 mile one way. They want 10 cents after you got the bid.

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Posted Mon, Apr 29 2019 01:33 PM CST
ANDREW WENGER
AWTRANSPORTATIONLLC
Tampa, FL

Posts: 102
all i can say is it takes more than what ardent is willing to pay. The waiting time with this local gig is phenomenal and you do the hourly rate it only is 58 bucks an hour. sorry ardent and middle broker but that is half of whats needed REPLY
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Posted Wed, May 01 2019 07:49 AM CST 1 Dislike
AUSTIN OLSON
AO EXPRESS INC
Sioux Falls, SD

Posts: 6
Originally Posted by: GREG BOMMELMAN
Quote: "I do a per ton per mile normally it is 2.25 all miles I adjust to a loaded mile if it is liteweight. Based on a full load. Many people think 1.90 one way is ok. But when you have to get the dogs out to find something to load. 1.90 is way too short charge whatever works as long as it fits you needs. Brokers always advertise the cheap rates. Hoping someone will bite. East central in Minnesota is one of the worst you can work with. They are always the cheapest they ask for a bid then after that the go after their broker fee example you bid .50 a bushel on a 150 mile one way. They want 10 cents after you got the bid. "

If you are referring to Dan at East Central Grain Marketing, you have had a much different experience than we have. We have worked with Dan, Zach, and Jon on several hundred thousand dollars worth of trucking dating back to about 2008-2009. Anytime we have given them a quote, if they hired us they paid us exactly what we quoted. Not once have they tried to pay us less than what was agreed. Sometimes our quotes were too high and on those occasions they simply told us it wouldn't work. But they have always been top notch to work with and have done business with honesty and integrity.
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Posted Mon, May 13 2019 08:10 AM CST
TERRY MORGAN
MORGAN TRUCKING ENTERPRISE LLC
Grand Prairie, TX

Posts: 5
That sounds like a great way to charge! Does it work for you? REPLY
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