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Jan 14, 2016 at 01:31 PM CST
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I was just curious why dont the brokers and shippers put the rates next to the loads that they have posted here?
Replied on Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 05:39 PM CST
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That would be too easy.
Replied on Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 08:41 AM CST
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Because we are in competition with each other for product and suppliers as well as trucks. If you think undercutting among trucks is bad, you should see what suppliers are sometimes willing to do! Not only is it detrimental to our businesses, it makes it even harder on the trucks as margins get smaller and smaller on products that already have so little wiggle room in the current market.
Replied on Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 09:39 AM CST
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If the trucks quit taking the low paying loads that the brokers offer.then the brokers would have to tell the shipper that they cant get it hauled for the rate listed. Then the shippers would raise the rate of the frieght. the shippers are not going to raise it unless they have to. the brokers arent going to get the shipper to raise the rates unless they are forced to by the truckers. There will always be a percentage of truckers willing to take the low paying freight,and justify it in anyway they can. So the trucker blames the broker the broker blames the shipper. and on and on and on. ultimatley it is on the trucker to set the correct price.

There is no doubt that the whole brokerage industry Thing has done the most damage to the rates in trucking,mostly by people that have no buisness setting a rate on trucking. But it is your fellow truckers that are responsible for letting them.

JUST SAY NO !!!!!!
Replied on Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:57 AM CST
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Right on! Good stuff. Good points by Dan also. Some know business and some don't and some feel they have no choice.
Replied on Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:58 AM CST
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Oops. Good points by Mel also.
Replied on Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 11:02 AM CST
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The key to this business is knowledge and in this sector its very hush hush it's not like any other industry I've ever been involved with there is more lying cheating stealing misconception Thievery backstabbing throw you under the bus it's worse than politics being in the trucking industry.
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:10 AM CST
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thats why my world of trucking has become extremely small , if i can't haul directly for shipper and get timely pay i won't haul. i run with several other guys around my area and they work for a broker where as i work direct. they are running on average 4 dollars a ton less plus giving up 11 percent brokerage , hauling the same exact freight. in my opinion even though there may be some good truck brokers out there. its not worth 10 percent to make the same phone call i can.
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:01 PM CST
Quote: "thats why my world of trucking has become extremely small , if i can't haul directly for shipper and get timely pay i won't haul. i run with several other guys around my area and they work for a broker where as i work direct. they are running on average 4 dollars a ton less plus giving up 11 percent brokerage , hauling the same exact freight. in my opinion even though there may be some good truck brokers out there. its not worth 10 percent to make the same phone call i can."

There's a good article in Overdrive magazine (January issue I think) about going direct. In 2015 95% of my business was with direct customers. Instead of staring at load boards, put on a shirt and tie, get the pick-up washed and go see some people. Know what you have to offer. Not a very good time for it. But what do you have to loose?
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:36 PM CST
I got me a website also, really brings out the business side. Wife said don't forget to change ur undies, too
Fairgrovetrucking.com
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 04:38 PM CST
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the truth is i do not know where your truck is or where it needs to go, i am not going to offer the same rate for a truck 20 miles as i am 100 miles away, that would be ludicrous. so i am gonna ask you, where is your truck empty, where does he need to be to reload after my load? i figure out the truth by how long it takes for you to get then i figure out a fair rate and offer it you. then you can decide if it works. i really dislike when people ask honest questions and get carrier comments that do not explain anything. just thought you should know how freight forwarders figure out the rate to offer.
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 04:42 PM CST
Quote: "If the trucks quit taking the low paying loads that the brokers offer.then the brokers would have to tell the shipper that they cant get it hauled for the rate listed. Then the shippers would raise the rate of the frieght. the shippers are not going to raise it unless they have to. the brokers arent going to get the shipper to raise the rates unless they are forced to by the truckers. There will always be a percentage of truckers willing to take the low paying freight,and justify it in anyway they can. So the trucker blames the broker the broker blames the shipper. and on and on and on. ultimatley it is on the trucker to set the correct price. There is no doubt that the whole brokerage industry Thing has done the most damage to the rates in trucking,mostly by people that have no buisness setting a rate on trucking. But it is your fellow truckers that are responsible for letting them. JUST SAY NO !!!!!!"

Inola to Imogene IA 386 miles for 17a ton. Broker told me that's was the last load. He had one last ice cream cone to give out. Had to tell him what to do with that fricking cone.
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 09:34 PM CST
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Quote: "the truth is i do not know where your truck is or where it needs to go, i am not going to offer the same rate for a truck 20 miles as i am 100 miles away, that would be ludicrous. so i am gonna ask you, where is your truck empty, where does he need to be to reload after my load? i figure out the truth by how long it takes for you to get then i figure out a fair rate and offer it you. then you can decide if it works. i really dislike when people ask honest questions and get carrier comments that do not explain anything. just thought you should know how freight forwarders figure out the rate to offer. "

...... which is why i will not use a broker...... woiuld you think it fair business practice for the light and water company to tell you they are going to charge you more for your electricty because you are further away from the power plant but the people that live close to it are going to pay less ? thats just like when i used to use brokers for feight a long time ago and they used to tell me.... well thats a back haul rate. i never could buy backhaul tires, fuel or insurance though.
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 09:39 PM CST
are you not the boss of your company
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:05 PM CST
yup , sure am
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:18 PM CST
Quote: "yup , sure am"

i guess what i meant was why do people ask what the rate is? WHY NOT TELL THEM WHAT THE RATE WILL BE TO PUT IT ON THE TRUCK AND THEY CAN EITHER LOAD IT OR CHOOSE NOT TO USE THAT COMPANY
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:37 PM CST
They are too embarrassed to actually put them in writing
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:37 PM CST
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well, in my experience i have found that theres a lot of guys out there that think as long as they are loaded they are making money. i talked to a guy the other day that hauls the same exact thing as me except he goes through a broker. its a 175 mile haul one way , i go direct and get 25 per ton. he goes through the broker and gets 21 per ton with 14% surcharge but gives up 11% on the tonnage rate, i'm getting 625 straight pay , he is making 540 with the broker. i told the guy , dude call and haul direct... he said no your guy don't pay surcharge. i just scratched my head and said ok yeah your right you need to stay with your broker.
Replied on Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:40 PM CST
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Quote: "the truth is i do not know where your truck is or where it needs to go, i am not going to offer the same rate for a truck 20 miles as i am 100 miles away, that would be ludicrous. so i am gonna ask you, where is your truck empty, where does he need to be to reload after my load? i figure out the truth by how long it takes for you to get then i figure out a fair rate and offer it you. then you can decide if it works. i really dislike when people ask honest questions and get carrier comments that do not explain anything. just thought you should know how freight forwarders figure out the rate to offer. "

This is the most ludicrous explanation I have ever heard in my 37 years in the biz as a broker and carrier
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:35 AM CST
Thanks Russ, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 08:14 AM CST
Quote: "the truth is i do not know where your truck is or where it needs to go, i am not going to offer the same rate for a truck 20 miles as i am 100 miles away, that would be ludicrous. so i am gonna ask you, where is your truck empty, where does he need to be to reload after my load? i figure out the truth by how long it takes for you to get then i figure out a fair rate and offer it you. then you can decide if it works. i really dislike when people ask honest questions and get carrier comments that do not explain anything. just thought you should know how freight forwarders figure out the rate to offer. "

I thought I was confused most of the time, but now I don't know if I'm pitching or catching.

Can you explain the logic in this comment so that a simple mind like mine can follow that train of thought?



Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 08:57 AM CST
Quote: "...... which is why i will not use a broker...... woiuld you think it fair business practice for the light and water company to tell you they are going to charge you more for your electricty because you are further away from the power plant but the people that live close to it are going to pay less ? thats just like when i used to use brokers for feight a long time ago and they used to tell me.... well thats a back haul rate. i never could buy backhaul tires, fuel or insurance though."

So you will drive for me for the same rate if your truck is 50 miles away as opposed to 150 miles away? someone is going to lose on that deal. i move a volume short distance loads and i use the trucks as much as i can on a string of loads with as least empty miles as i can. there is only so much equipment availble withing a radius of my loads, so if i have pull trucks in from a further distance i have to pay them more to get the contract covered. thats what the old boys taught me. the miles are important and the timing is critical. the trucks up here seem to understand that concept. if you are going to stick to load boards and brokers then its a given you are not going to get anything i say. you assume everyone who responds on here is trying to rip you off but you are ripping yourselves off by not getting direct customers. i am all about not losing my customers or my trucks.
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:22 AM CST
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Quote: "So you will drive for me for the same rate if your truck is 50 miles away as opposed to 150 miles away? someone is going to lose on that deal. i move a volume short distance loads and i use the trucks as much as i can on a string of loads with as least empty miles as i can. there is only so much equipment availble withing a radius of my loads, so if i have pull trucks in from a further distance i have to pay them more to get the contract covered. thats what the old boys taught me. the miles are important and the timing is critical. the trucks up here seem to understand that concept. if you are going to stick to load boards and brokers then its a given you are not going to get anything i say. you assume everyone who responds on here is trying to rip you off but you are ripping yourselves off by not getting direct customers. i am all about not losing my customers or my trucks. "

Unless you are loading me all the time, you aren't going to know where I'm coming from to get your load or where I;m going after your load. I will price it according to my situtation and what the market allows. It could be my wind fall or slim pickings. What you are discribing is a little like socialism.

I do respect you views and comments.
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:22 AM CST
Quote: "Unless you are loading me all the time, you aren't going to know where I'm coming from to get your load or where I;m going after your load. I will price it according to my situtation and what the market allows. It could be my wind fall or slim pickings. What you are discribing is a little like socialism. I do respect you views and comments."

thats probably the most informed comment on this string, i would say 90% of my carriers are weekly repeat loads so yes i do. they are also repeatative loads so the carriers i do use are very aware of the rates that apply. its not socialism its efficiency in supply chain management. i respect carriers that can honestly tell me the rate according to the truck needs.
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:36 AM CST
NANCY

you are just proving everyones point that a broker has no buisness setting the rate for a truck.

I Agree that it is none of your concern where my truck is or where it needs to go

, all i need to know is, what is it? where does it load ? where does it unload? and here is the part you obviously dont understand How much does that one load pay ???

it is then up to The trucking Company to decide if the load pays a fair rate. all that other hubba bubba is just nonsense. ther is no Such thing as a back haul PERIOD.
There is only good paying Freight and poor paying freight. and if a trucking company puts a poor paying load on Their truck then they are as much or more of a problem than a broker that is offering the poor paying load.

Be part of the Solution not the problem.
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:41 AM CST
Quote: "Unless you are loading me all the time, you aren't going to know where I'm coming from to get your load or where I;m going after your load. I will price it according to my situtation and what the market allows. It could be my wind fall or slim pickings. What you are discribing is a little like socialism. I do respect you views and comments."

LOL its ok i can play vegas rules too :) just jokes
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 01:51 PM CST
Quote: "NANCY you are just proving everyones point that a broker has no buisness setting the rate for a truck. I Agree that it is none of your concern where my truck is or where it needs to go , all i need to know is, what is it? where does it load ? where does it unload? and here is the part you obviously dont understand How much does that one load pay ??? it is then up to The trucking Company to decide if the load pays a fair rate. all that other hubba bubba is just nonsense. ther is no Such thing as a back haul PERIOD. There is only good paying Freight and poor paying freight. and if a trucking company puts a poor paying load on Their truck then they are as much or more of a problem than a broker that is offering the poor paying load. Be part of the Solution not the problem."

you obviously don;t understand the difference between a freight forwarder and a freight broker (whatever that means in america these days). You can take any load you want that works but don;t get into the practice of thinking you control the costs. you don;t. and when your driver screws up and loses a customer for me, where are you> onto the next load is where you are, although i appreciate you trying to tell me what my job is, find out what it is first. and since you have never taken a load for me, how on earth do you know whether it pays good or bad? i find comments like this one useless to the discussion of rates. and that other hubba bubba?? is what moves the load, keeps your truck from being stalled at the border or worse with a rejected load that has no where to move and you lose a ton of money because no one wants to pay you cause you didn;t clean your trailer out. and who said anything about a back haul? they don;t exist so check your atttitude and stop assuming.

Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:14 PM CST

AND AGAIN THANKS FOR MAKING MY POINT ALL THE MORE VALID.

IT REALLY IS TRUE THAT YOU JUST CANT FIX STUPID

Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:18 PM CST
Quote: "you obviously don;t understand the difference between a freight forwarder and a freight broker (whatever that means in america these days). You can take any load you want that works but don;t get into the practice of thinking you control the costs. you don;t. and when your driver screws up and loses a customer for me, where are you> onto the next load is where you are, although i appreciate you trying to tell me what my job is, find out what it is first. and since you have never taken a load for me, how on earth do you know whether it pays good or bad? i find comments like this one useless to the discussion of rates. and that other hubba bubba?? is what moves the load, keeps your truck from being stalled at the border or worse with a rejected load that has no where to move and you lose a ton of money because no one wants to pay you cause you didn;t clean your trailer out. and who said anything about a back haul? they don;t exist so check your atttitude and stop assuming. "

May I ask why you operate as a "freight forwarder" instead of a frieght broker? Do you actually consolidate or deconsolidate the freight in question or do you operate as a "forwarder" to get out of the freight broker regulations?
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:51 PM CST
Quote: "May I ask why you operate as a "freight forwarder" instead of a frieght broker? Do you actually consolidate or deconsolidate the freight in question or do you operate as a "forwarder" to get out of the freight broker regulations?"

yes you may. i operate as one because i am one, i handle truck, rail, etc. i don;t hire brokers. yes i actually cosolidate.......i am thinking you must assume everyone is from america on here when you asked the last part of your question.

Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:54 PM CST
Quote: "the truth is i do not know where your truck is or where it needs to go, i am not going to offer the same rate for a truck 20 miles as i am 100 miles away, that would be ludicrous. so i am gonna ask you, where is your truck empty, where does he need to be to reload after my load? i figure out the truth by how long it takes for you to get then i figure out a fair rate and offer it you. then you can decide if it works. i really dislike when people ask honest questions and get carrier comments that do not explain anything. just thought you should know how freight forwarders figure out the rate to offer. "

So what you are saying is you would screw me down on a rate just because my truck is within a few miles of the load sight! Boy stay off this sight please, ay
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:58 PM CST
Quote: " yes you may. i operate as one because i am one, i handle truck, rail, etc. i don;t hire brokers. yes i actually cosolidate.......i am thinking you must assume everyone is from america on here when you asked the last part of your question."

No Ma'am, I didn't assume anything, just asking a question. Remember what they say about making assumpions. This board seems to have more than it's share of "trucking companies" freight forworders and others that post avail loads without being bonafided brokers or forwarders.
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 03:00 PM CST
Don't worry guys this lady has made comments in the past about how she is not for the truckers then comes back and tries to sugar it up she's not good for this industry she needs to stay in Canada and she's been told that in the past
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 03:04 PM CST
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So the weather isn't the only thing frigid up there?

Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 03:15 PM CST
Quote: "Don't worry guys this lady has made comments in the past about how she is not for the truckers then comes back and tries to sugar it up she's not good for this industry she needs to stay in Canada and she's been told that in the past"

well Jason, at least you are calling me a lady this time round. :)
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 03:19 PM CST
Quote: "So the weather isn't the only thing frigid up there? "

yep, same as you guys, although today we are sitting at about +7c and everything is melting. back in to the freeze next week as we don't need road bans this early. and also the same as you, customer rates drop and drop as not only the margins are tight for the truck but also the commodities contracted. no space to deliver, no rail cars even now that oil has tanked, its got me scratching my head but the real truckers see everything i do and we all just try and make it happen regardless. its quite easy for some to decide well we should do this or that but if they knew how much work it takes to get the truck loaded and on its way according to schedule they might be singing a different tune.
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 03:23 PM CST
Quote: "No Ma'am, I didn't assume anything, just asking a question. Remember what they say about making assumpions. This board seems to have more than it's share of "trucking companies" freight forworders and others that post avail loads without being bonafided brokers or forwarders."

thank you sir, yes you are totally right, assumptions also cost money and yes there are too many willing to sell you a load and not look after you till the delivery. carriers have discovered they can set up their own brokerage? departments to sell loads to their own company so the o/o never really knows what the load is worth.......
Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 04:19 PM CST
Quote: "So what you are saying is you would screw me down on a rate just because my truck is within a few miles of the load sight! Boy stay off this sight please, ay"

i think this site is just a place for people like you to post stuff like this, take the load if it works, don;t take it if it doesn;t but don't intimate you are getting screwed if you do. controlling my costs is not screwing you, it;s business. even the carriers here will offer a lower rate to a place closer to load because they know its less empty miles. i find the only people that are worried about getting screwed are those that do it themselves to others. now go find some direct customers.

Replied on Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:56 PM CST
Nancy,
Looks like this is a mess.

Let me give you my take on this. Please let me know if it is out in left field. I have commented on things with you in the past. I seem to recall a post sometime back that you mentioned a truck could be paid to much. I took that to heart and it upset me. I think now I understand your thoughts on this. I think that you think a truck if located close to a loading point it sould be paid less than a truck that is located a distance from the load. To me, a load pays what a load pays. From there, I decide if I want to haul it.

If I knew that you worked like that, why would I not tell you I'm 100 miles away (even if only 10), set at the truck stop for a couple of hours and then go load the load at a higher rate?

I'm sorry for being simple, but the load pays what it pays. If you xpay x per ton, but can pay xx per ton if the truck is 100 miles away, well where did the extra money go. I like most on this board feel like it is going to you. Please clear this up with me. Also, if you say it went to the shipper, well, that tells everybody what side of the road you are on.

Sorry to feel like I do about somebody that I think might get into my pocket, but it is what it is.

Thanks in advance for clearing this up for some of us.
Replied on Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 07:41 AM CST
Quote: "Nancy, Looks like this is a mess. Let me give you my take on this. Please let me know if it is out in left field. I have commented on things with you in the past. I seem to recall a post sometime back that you mentioned a truck could be paid to much. I took that to heart and it upset me. I think now I understand your thoughts on this. I think that you think a truck if located close to a loading point it sould be paid less than a truck that is located a distance from the load. To me, a load pays what a load pays. From there, I decide if I want to haul it. If I knew that you worked like that, why would I not tell you I'm 100 miles away (even if only 10), set at the truck stop for a couple of hours and then go load the load at a higher rate? I'm sorry for being simple, but the load pays what it pays. If you xpay x per ton, but can pay xx per ton if the truck is 100 miles away, well where did the extra money go. I like most on this board feel like it is going to you. Please clear this up with me. Also, if you say it went to the shipper, well, that tells everybody what side of the road you are on. Sorry to feel like I do about somebody that I think might get into my pocket, but it is what it is. Thanks in advance for clearing this up for some of us."

Arnie, don't say your sorry for your comments i feel the same way you do, sounds like she wants to give the truck the bare minimum and pockets the rest for herself, as for her comment about finding my on contacts to haul direct for ben there done that and they are giving me what i need to do a fair and professional job for them
Replied on Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 10:09 AM CST
Quote: "Nancy, Looks like this is a mess. Let me give you my take on this. Please let me know if it is out in left field. I have commented on things with you in the past. I seem to recall a post sometime back that you mentioned a truck could be paid to much. I took that to heart and it upset me. I think now I understand your thoughts on this. I think that you think a truck if located close to a loading point it sould be paid less than a truck that is located a distance from the load. To me, a load pays what a load pays. From there, I decide if I want to haul it. If I knew that you worked like that, why would I not tell you I'm 100 miles away (even if only 10), set at the truck stop for a couple of hours and then go load the load at a higher rate? I'm sorry for being simple, but the load pays what it pays. If you xpay x per ton, but can pay xx per ton if the truck is 100 miles away, well where did the extra money go. I like most on this board feel like it is going to you. Please clear this up with me. Also, if you say it went to the shipper, well, that tells everybody what side of the road you are on. Sorry to feel like I do about somebody that I think might get into my pocket, but it is what it is. Thanks in advance for clearing this up for some of us."

Not in left field with your comment/opinion. I agree with you; maybe we should all start telling the broker we are 100's of miles away and reap the benefits of the higher paying loads.
Replied on Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 04:13 PM CST
amen
Replied on Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 05:04 PM CST
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Quote: "Nancy, Looks like this is a mess. Let me give you my take on this. Please let me know if it is out in left field. I have commented on things with you in the past. I seem to recall a post sometime back that you mentioned a truck could be paid to much. I took that to heart and it upset me. I think now I understand your thoughts on this. I think that you think a truck if located close to a loading point it sould be paid less than a truck that is located a distance from the load. To me, a load pays what a load pays. From there, I decide if I want to haul it. If I knew that you worked like that, why would I not tell you I'm 100 miles away (even if only 10), set at the truck stop for a couple of hours and then go load the load at a higher rate? I'm sorry for being simple, but the load pays what it pays. If you xpay x per ton, but can pay xx per ton if the truck is 100 miles away, well where did the extra money go. I like most on this board feel like it is going to you. Please clear this up with me. Also, if you say it went to the shipper, well, that tells everybody what side of the road you are on. Sorry to feel like I do about somebody that I think might get into my pocket, but it is what it is. Thanks in advance for clearing this up for some of us."

Thanks for the comment, good points all of them. my response is in general not just to you. i have so much of a budget to move whole projects or contracts whether it be pipe or wheat. i only have so many trucks in the area to cover the contract, then i have to stretch my radius, so the rate increases because of empty miles to go in. you can ask to haul it and i will offer you a rate and you will decide. but.....what if your truck is too far away for the rate? are you going to take a dive? of course not, you are going to ask me for more money and i am going to see if i can give it to you. not sure why everyone on this comment string takes this as being ripped off as i am actually offering the same fair rate per mile as the trucks that are closer. why do i ask where the truck is empty? because i have a schedule to meet and if your truck is too far away to get there when i want then i cannot use them. yes i guess you could lie about where your truck is but is that really an advantage? i can tell when you load and offload because of my connection on both ends. if you are into doing one time business with many customers this might work. it's not up to the carrier when the load goes in, the carrier is hired based on a schedule to meet. i will always be on the side that keeps the revenue coming in and we all know where that comes from. having said that i get the same choices you do, take it or leave it. i guess i could leave it, and lose my job but i would rather not. its the same with carriers, if you don;t have the business in one area you need to get it from other areas, i think this is the main hardship for all of us, the inability to diversify. to sit on a website and continually bitch about brokers, well i think we all know what those carriers need to do. i guess up here we have a lot further to go for a load (sometimes 200 miles empty and more), and i also guess i work with a great bunch of people because they also know how impossible the situation is during these times. i am pretty amazed that carriers especially those that haul bulk commodities haven't got a very good grasp on the situations of the open market, again i am going to tick a LOT of people off by telling them it is not what your truck is worth, it is all about what the value is of what you are hauling, smaller margins mean smaller everything for me, you and everyone else. and what extra money? you make it sound like there is an endless stream of profit to be had and i just have to outright laugh at that. why do you think its any different for the shipper or the freight forwarder than it is for you> i have to also comment i have never seen more of a group of angels on here ever. you guys never do anything wrong it seems, you always show up on time with a clean trailer and are every so polite and customer service driven...............right,,............and when the truck doesn;t show and you tell me the driver's grandmother died - for the third time according to record - i am just supposed to deal with that...........right.......you want to know what side of the road i am on? i am on the side that doesn;t have to cheat and lie to get the job done and can actually keep some trucks moving, sounds like carriers down there have cooked up some pretty good ideas of their own.......its a game i prefer not to play as i have neither the time nor the interest. instead of worrying about how much money others have on their table maybe you should consider how to put more on your own, as then it would matter about me now would it? and please remember this is called bulk LOADS now, and is for all who pay, not just the carriers.
Replied on Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 08:16 PM CST
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I see your point, but there's some confusion on both sides. When a broker calls me to help with some loads out of MD. They know I need more to get there than the guy down the road. Is that fair? I get the rate I need, and I don't know or care what the other guy got. ( unless he's getting more than me, then I'm mad at my self)

Now when it's the other way around and the local elavator has a big move going on and they bring in extra trucks. Damn right we get pissy, now to find out they get paid more. Even if they have to travel to get there. Would be fighting words!

We we always try to keep our word if I say my truck will be there it will be there. I have some great drivers that have missed (against my urging) funerals, graduations, birthdays, to get the job done. If the truck go's down we'll do what we have to to get load there. A lot of times an owner will blame the driver, before admitting that it was his equipment that failed.
Replied on Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 08:19 PM CST
That being said, you could still post rate from A to B. Or per ton/bu. We could negotiate from there.
Replied on Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 09:38 PM CST
Quote: "I see your point, but there's some confusion on both sides. When a broker calls me to help with some loads out of MD. They know I need more to get there than the guy down the road. Is that fair? I get the rate I need, and I don't know or care what the other guy got. ( unless he's getting more than me, then I'm mad at my self) Now when it's the other way around and the local elavator has a big move going on and they bring in extra trucks. Damn right we get pissy, now to find out they get paid more. Even if they have to travel to get there. Would be fighting words! We we always try to keep our word if I say my truck will be there it will be there. I have some great drivers that have missed (against my urging) funerals, graduations, birthdays, to get the job done. If the truck go's down we'll do what we have to to get load there. A lot of times an owner will blame the driver, before admitting that it was his equipment that failed."

Not long ago I had four trucks working out of a local elevator, Monday thur Friday, year round. When the rush was on they would have the reseller handle the freight on what my trucks could not handle. I do know that during the rush that the reseller would pay more in freight than what I was getting because they called and offered it to me. I told them thanks but no thanks because I looked at what the elevator paid me a year and it wasn't worth making a extra couple of cents a bushel for 3 weeks vs steady year round work that paid good to begin with.

Replied on Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 08:33 AM CST

That's interesting. My customers are just the opposite, they pay us the fair rate to haul direct, and the resellers are paying less. But our relationship with them is why we get the better rates. They know we will get the loads hauled on time. When they go through a reseller it's hit and miss if they will get moved on time or not, and they never know what trucking companies are coming. Doesn't really make any difference if we are all getting what we think is fair. I look at things long term too, I also look at averages, not every individual load. I, like you, don't jump ship on my customers if something that works better comes along. Many guys drop everything to run at harvest. While I do run harvest, I make it clear to the farmers, that I still have my regular customers to take care of too, and am not going to give up consistant year round work to make the big money for a month. They are all very understanding and allow us to work them in as we can. I'm also fortunate in that my customers pay quickly..one pays when I hand her the statement, most others pay within the week. The only ones I have to wait on are resellers (usually 2 weeks with travel time in the mail) and farmers at harvest. We have one particular customer that sells direct to the feedlots. He could make a few cents more selling to a reseller and let them send trucks. He would rather pay us a fair rate to do it instead of giving it to the broker who takes his cut, then inturn hires the cheapest trucks they can find. He doesn't have to babysit our crew and wonder if we are going to show up or not. This frees him up to work on other projects.

Trent

Replied on Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 08:53 AM CST
Quote: " That's interesting. My customers are just the opposite, they pay us the fair rate to haul direct, and the resellers are paying less. But our relationship with them is why we get the better rates. They know we will get the loads hauled on time. When they go through a reseller it's hit and miss if they will get moved on time or not, and they never know what trucking companies are coming. Doesn't really make any difference if we are all getting what we think is fair. I look at things long term too, I also look at averages, not every individual load. I, like you, don't jump ship on my customers if something that works better comes along. Many guys drop everything to run at harvest. While I do run harvest, I make it clear to the farmers, that I still have my regular customers to take care of too, and am not going to give up consistant year round work to make the big money for a month. They are all very understanding and allow us to work them in as we can. I'm also fortunate in that my customers pay quickly..one pays when I hand her the statement, most others pay within the week. The only ones I have to wait on are resellers (usually 2 weeks with travel time in the mail) and farmers at harvest. We have one particular customer that sells direct to the feedlots. He could make a few cents more selling to a reseller and let them send trucks. He would rather pay us a fair rate to do it instead of giving it to the broker who takes his cut, then inturn hires the cheapest trucks they can find. He doesn't have to babysit our crew and wonder if we are going to show up or not. This frees him up to work on other projects. Trent"

Nailed it Trent. Customer service, loyalty and seeing the big picture
Replied on Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 09:36 AM CST

I am a subscriber to this site just to see what is out there if I encounter a slow time, but have very rarely had to use it. I too wish rates would be posted. (there are a few guys that do) It would save time making calls and wasting eachothers time. I'm sorry, but I have a calculator, a map, and the IQ above that of the average orangutan so given all the pieces of the puzzle, I can figure if a load works for us. The load should pay the same regardless of where the truck is in relation to it. The loaded miles are the same, so then it's our responsibility as business owners (notice the term business owners....not truckers) to decide if it's profitable figuring time, bounce miles, etc. I have never once in all my years of trucking had a reseller, farmer, or elevator force me to take a load I didn't want to. It either pays or it doesn't...simple as that. As I tell people, i expect a fair rate for my services and I expect to make a fair living for my risk....if I go broke, I am of no value to you. This philosophy has worked well for me. I don't hesitate to park the trucks in the yard...it's all paid for, was ordered new an in excellent repair....no need to drive it around for practice. My customers understand that.

My elevator works with me like this. "Farmer Bob wants to sell x bushels of wheat, what would you charge to haul it to the terminal?" I figure a fair rate and the elevator works on the sale. If the terminal offers a bid whereby we all make the money we are wanting, the sale is made and I go to work. If the numbers don't work, then they might try other marketing venues (resellers) or we wait untill the numbers do work in our favor. But the point is, we all make our "cut" or we don't do it.

I also haul for resellers when the rates are agreeable. I have one that called when freight was slow and rates were soft. He says "I can't pay Trent McCain rates" My reply "then don't expect Trent McCain service" He got his loads hauled, but not from me. He knew where I was coming from, and has told me he doesn't have to worry about loads when we are on the job.

We all want to make a decent living. We as truckers want to make as much as we can, while the brokers want to pay as little as they have too. As long as we can reach an agreement where we can all make money it'll work.

Trent

Replied on Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:00 AM CST
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Quote: "This is the most ludicrous explanation I have ever heard in my 37 years in the biz as a broker and carrier"

Looks like this would be a real good place to test the BLOCK Button option.
Replied on Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 06:00 PM CST
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They'd never get a truck with what the rates are right now. Honestly half of what I seen today was just insulting.
Replied on Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 05:34 PM CST
Quote: "They'd never get a truck with what the rates are right now. Honestly half of what I seen today was just insulting. "

I'm in Houston looking for a flatbed load. The few loads I called about today that went somewhere other than Texas or California were just pain insane.
Several were for under .90 per mile. Now come on fuel is cheap but this is getting ridiculous! I run a low budget operation but I'll go home empty if I can't find the rate that works for me!

Its not just a load or two all of them were under $1.30 per mile.

I hauled Rail Road Car Wheels in the late 1980's the rate was $1.05 loaded both ways. The rate for a load one way today was $1.20 one way

We need fuel to go back to $4.00 a gallon again so the rate will get back to where it needs to be!

Happy Trails
Replied on Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 04:26 PM CST
Good ol Nancy thinks these shippers set the rate.And they do because we wont stand together and control our own rates. We are the businesses getting their product from one place to another. We know what it takes to make money. Weve got to stop hauling this stuff for nothing and stand together for base rates where everyone makes money. I dont see going broke to get someones product somewhere because they sold to cheap to pay the haul bill. And i agree with you gentlemen a load pays what a load pays doesnt matter how far away you are.
Replied on Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 04:31 PM CST
Quote: "I'm in Houston looking for a flatbed load. The few loads I called about today that went somewhere other than Texas or California were just pain insane. Several were for under .90 per mile. Now come on fuel is cheap but this is getting ridiculous! I run a low budget operation but I'll go home empty if I can't find the rate that works for me! Its not just a load or two all of them were under $1.30 per mile. I hauled Rail Road Car Wheels in the late 1980's the rate was $1.05 loaded both ways. The rate for a load one way today was $1.20 one way We need fuel to go back to $4.00 a gallon again so the rate will get back to where it needs to be! Happy Trails"

Yes sir for some reason the shippers and brokers, (mostly brokers), must think when fuel prices went down then insurance, driver pay, and vehicle maintenance went down too.
Replied on Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 09:25 PM CST
Quote: "I'm in Houston looking for a flatbed load. The few loads I called about today that went somewhere other than Texas or California were just pain insane. Several were for under .90 per mile. Now come on fuel is cheap but this is getting ridiculous! I run a low budget operation but I'll go home empty if I can't find the rate that works for me! Its not just a load or two all of them were under $1.30 per mile. I hauled Rail Road Car Wheels in the late 1980's the rate was $1.05 loaded both ways. The rate for a load one way today was $1.20 one way We need fuel to go back to $4.00 a gallon again so the rate will get back to where it needs to be! Happy Trails"

I ain't going to complain anymore even with as slow and down as the market is what I've got lined up is better than what you were offered. I probably would've told the broker of those loads to get off his behind and start walking the loads there.

Did that to tql a few years back in SD. 48k lumber must tarp going over to Sioux City. $300 he wasn't to happy when I asked him if he could haul 48k of lumber on his back and have it there the next day by 5.

People call me stupid because I never graduated high school and never though about college. I'm sure half these brokers have a hsd and probably some form of college and they still aren't smart enough to figure out a small company/owner operator isn't going to move a load for peanuts. I don't have 3 squirrels and a monkey under my hood that gets 20mpg. And I don't know many of us who want to haul for the cost of fuel and that's it...Truth be told I'm running for less than I'd like to be but I'm not yet willing to turn two trucks and trailers back to the bank just yet. I'll see how this year goes I've got my way out of a truck and if things dont change I'll get out of mine come next year.
Replied on Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 09:59 PM CST
Quote: "I ain't going to complain anymore even with as slow and down as the market is what I've got lined up is better than what you were offered. I probably would've told the broker of those loads to get off his behind and start walking the loads there. Did that to tql a few years back in SD. 48k lumber must tarp going over to Sioux City. $300 he wasn't to happy when I asked him if he could haul 48k of lumber on his back and have it there the next day by 5. People call me stupid because I never graduated high school and never though about college. I'm sure half these brokers have a hsd and probably some form of college and they still aren't smart enough to figure out a small company/owner operator isn't going to move a load for peanuts. I don't have 3 squirrels and a monkey under my hood that gets 20mpg. And I don't know many of us who want to haul for the cost of fuel and that's it...Truth be told I'm running for less than I'd like to be but I'm not yet willing to turn two trucks and trailers back to the bank just yet. I'll see how this year goes I've got my way out of a truck and if things dont change I'll get out of mine come next year."

I believe over education is part of what's wrong in our business.
Back when dispatchers and freight managers positions were filled by ex-drivers due to health or home problems we had a better deals.
Education is a wonderful thing but I'll always believe a person in control should have at least 5 years physical experience in the field.
The best and most honest broker I ever worked with started his freight career running produce with a 4 banger GMC out of Florida to Chicago and Milwaukee and he could barely read a newspaper.