RATES BEAT UP

Jul 31, 2014 at 01:28 AM CST + 3 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. No idea why, but the rates for loads on here are horrible. Cannot believe guys will even haul for these rates. Parked the Walking Floor and pulling flat right now. Is it just me or is anyone else noticing this also ?

Replied on Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:13 AM CST + 2 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. welome to s america

Replied on Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 05:08 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Summertime blues maybe? I think September will be more optimistic.

Replied on Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 10:09 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. grain hauling is the cheapest rates I've ever got involved withany product I have found that goes in a hopper or dump.Walker floor. or belt trailer. is cheap !!!you can not pay for a truck or trailer with the rate everyone's playing and you sure ain't gonna keep your home front up you stay in this business you will go bankrupt you can take it to the bank and write it on the wall.

Replied on Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 10:09 PM CST

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grain hauling is the cheapest rates I've ever got involved withany product I have found that goes in a hopper or dump.Walker floor. or belt trailer. is cheap !!!you can not pay for a truck or trailer with the rate everyone's playing and you sure ain't gonna keep your home front up you stay in this business you will go bankrupt you can take it to the bank and write it on the wall.

Replied on Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 03:33 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quit hauling cattle in Jan to try grain hauling. I'm now broke..you all can have this. It's just as bad as freight hauling. Seems like no on can say no. Rate on last load was 1.70 Mike on a 31 ton load.. that ax laughable. You All Can Have My share

Replied on Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 07:45 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. "Just as bad as freight"Personnly I am finding some good rates for dry, and reefer.Just need to follow the demand.I love pulling hopper, but the reefer rates are solid east of the Mississippi.

Replied on Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 01:21 AM CST + 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. All the good loads are taken, this site is for the leftovers that no one wants, crap loads.com.....

Replied on Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 11:13 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Quit hauling cattle in Jan to try grain hauling. I'm now broke..you all can have this. It's just as bad as freight hauling. Seems like no on can say no. Rate on last load was 1.70 Mike on a 31 ton load.. that ax laughable. You All Can Have My share" why would you haul a load that paid that. thats the reason they try to get people to haul cheap someone will take it. It hurts us all. set a rate and stick to it. If it aint paying your bottom line rate dont haul it. Hard to do sometimes but as long as people haul for that they keep that rate. good luck

Replied on Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 11:13 AM CST

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Quote: "Quit hauling cattle in Jan to try grain hauling. I'm now broke..you all can have this. It's just as bad as freight hauling. Seems like no on can say no. Rate on last load was 1.70 Mike on a 31 ton load.. that ax laughable. You All Can Have My share"

why would you haul a load that paid that. thats the reason they try to get people to haul cheap someone will take it. It hurts us all. set a rate and stick to it. If it aint paying your bottom line rate dont haul it. Hard to do sometimes but as long as people haul for that they keep that rate. good luck

Replied on Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 04:32 PM CST + 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "why would you haul a load that paid that. thats the reason they try to get people to haul cheap someone will take it. It hurts us all. set a rate and stick to it. If it aint paying your bottom line rate dont haul it. Hard to do sometimes but as long as people haul for that they keep that rate. good luck" If you want to go broke.. Do it sitting at the house.. Instead of out on the road.. It's cheaper to get home.. Those cheap loads, if nobody hauls them won't be cheap for long. But if you haul that cheap load.. It will stay cheap. It's funny how shippers have to get that product moved, so they can stay in business.. And if they can't get moved.. Then either they go broke or the raise the rates. So why should you have to go broke to help them?

Replied on Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 04:32 PM CST

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Quote: "why would you haul a load that paid that. thats the reason they try to get people to haul cheap someone will take it. It hurts us all. set a rate and stick to it. If it aint paying your bottom line rate dont haul it. Hard to do sometimes but as long as people haul for that they keep that rate. good luck"

If you want to go broke.. Do it sitting at the house.. Instead of out on the road.. It's cheaper to get home.. Those cheap loads, if nobody hauls them won't be cheap for long. But if you haul that cheap load.. It will stay cheap. It's funny how shippers have to get that product moved, so they can stay in business.. And if they can't get moved.. Then either they go broke or the raise the rates. So why should you have to go broke to help them?

Replied on Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 11:21 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "If you want to go broke.. Do it sitting at the house.. Instead of out on the road.. It's cheaper to get home.. Those cheap loads, if nobody hauls them won't be cheap for long. But if you haul that cheap load.. It will stay cheap. It's funny how shippers have to get that product moved, so they can stay in business.. And if they can't get moved.. Then either they go broke or the raise the rates. So why should you have to go broke to help them? " It is time to park some trucks until this gets right again. We are running at 60% of what we could be, might have to cut back more.

Replied on Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 11:21 AM CST

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Quote: "If you want to go broke.. Do it sitting at the house.. Instead of out on the road.. It's cheaper to get home.. Those cheap loads, if nobody hauls them won't be cheap for long. But if you haul that cheap load.. It will stay cheap. It's funny how shippers have to get that product moved, so they can stay in business.. And if they can't get moved.. Then either they go broke or the raise the rates. So why should you have to go broke to help them? "

It is time to park some trucks until this gets right again. We are running at 60% of what we could be, might have to cut back more.

Replied on Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 02:39 PM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Hopper will pick back up when harvest starts. Right now we have went back to our dry boxes. They are yielding $2.20 - $2.40 per mile.

Replied on Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 01:33 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Hopper will pick back up when harvest starts. Right now we have went back to our dry boxes. They are yielding $2.20 - $2.40 per mile." Harvest will help pick it up, but the real driver (IMO) in all of this is China. When the exports slowed down to China this spring it started to get soft. Then when China started rejecting and cancelling shipments of corn and DDGS with MIR 162 traits (Syngenta corn), then it got really bad last month. The reality in China is they are oversupplied with corn, feed grains, and ddgs from their government stockpiling the last few years. I hope I am wrong, but the low rates could go on a while or until China starts importing again. Now the Russian sanctions on US ag commodities won't help any of this either.

Replied on Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 01:33 PM CST

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Quote: "Hopper will pick back up when harvest starts. Right now we have went back to our dry boxes. They are yielding $2.20 - $2.40 per mile."

Harvest will help pick it up, but the real driver (IMO) in all of this is China. When the exports slowed down to China this spring it started to get soft. Then when China started rejecting and cancelling shipments of corn and DDGS with MIR 162 traits (Syngenta corn), then it got really bad last month. The reality in China is they are oversupplied with corn, feed grains, and ddgs from their government stockpiling the last few years. I hope I am wrong, but the low rates could go on a while or until China starts importing again. Now the Russian sanctions on US ag commodities won't help any of this either.

Replied on Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 11:29 AM CST - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. nearly every load board in all segments of the industry are full of "leftovers" that the regulars dont want. That doesn't mean anything. The correct way to use a load board is to run a few loads off there and then call the shipper and/or broker and get set up directly for better money. if all of your freight comes off a load board, be it bulkloads, DAT, Livestock Network, Internet Truckstop, etc, you're bound for failure.

Replied on Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 11:29 AM CST

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nearly every load board in all segments of the industry are full of "leftovers" that the regulars dont want. That doesn't mean anything. The correct way to use a load board is to run a few loads off there and then call the shipper and/or broker and get set up directly for better money. if all of your freight comes off a load board, be it bulkloads, DAT, Livestock Network, Internet Truckstop, etc, you're bound for failure.

Replied on Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 10:24 PM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "nearly every load board in all segments of the industry are full of "leftovers" that the regulars dont want. That doesn't mean anything. The correct way to use a load board is to run a few loads off there and then call the shipper and/or broker and get set up directly for better money. if all of your freight comes off a load board, be it bulkloads, DAT, Livestock Network, Internet Truckstop, etc, you're bound for failure." Just ignore that little contract you signed that says you will not bypass that broker and deal directly with the shipper. You did read the contract before you signed it, right??

Replied on Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 10:24 PM CST

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Quote: "nearly every load board in all segments of the industry are full of "leftovers" that the regulars dont want. That doesn't mean anything. The correct way to use a load board is to run a few loads off there and then call the shipper and/or broker and get set up directly for better money. if all of your freight comes off a load board, be it bulkloads, DAT, Livestock Network, Internet Truckstop, etc, you're bound for failure."

Just ignore that little contract you signed that says you will not bypass that broker and deal directly with the shipper. You did read the contract before you signed it, right??

Replied on Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:40 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Thanks for the replies everyone. Nice to know I was not the only one complaining ! Luckily I have a few trailers and can switch around. Flatbed has been really good to me right now. Last, I see some of you hauling for 2.20 to 2.40 a mile. I hope you are charging the whole fuel surcharge rate on those kind of rates. 3.00 a mile is pretty much what you need to be profitable, and take care of drivers, equipment and give good service. The 3.00 + a mile hauls are out there, you have to go look for them. They will not be on load boards. Once you get your foot into the door, you need to make sure you service the customer. Do what you say, show up with good equipment, clean drivers and so on. It is competetive out there boys, and trust me when I say most companies are willing to pay the freight ( pun intended !) for excellent service, and equipment. Last, thanks to all of you regualrs who post on here. I learn quite a bit form the general bantering and B.S. You are the mian reason I keep my Subscription up. Greg

Replied on Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:40 PM CST

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Thanks for the replies everyone. Nice to know I was not the only one complaining ! Luckily I have a few trailers and can switch around. Flatbed has been really good to me right now. Last, I see some of you hauling for 2.20 to 2.40 a mile. I hope you are charging the whole fuel surcharge rate on those kind of rates. 3.00 a mile is pretty much what you need to be profitable, and take care of drivers, equipment and give good service. The 3.00 + a mile hauls are out there, you have to go look for them. They will not be on load boards. Once you get your foot into the door, you need to make sure you service the customer. Do what you say, show up with good equipment, clean drivers and so on. It is competetive out there boys, and trust me when I say most companies are willing to pay the freight ( pun intended !) for excellent service, and equipment.

Last, thanks to all of you regualrs who post on here. I learn quite a bit form the general bantering and B.S. You are the mian reason I keep my Subscription up.

Greg

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:06 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Yes indeed its true at 2 bucks a mile pulling a hopper seems like the bee's knees. Its bad when brokers take a 3 or 4 buck per mile load and turn it into a 2 buck per mile.

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:06 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. There's no doubt that were all going through some hard times in this industry right now, but I belive it's about to change. It;s really all about supply and demand, and if you look at the new coersion laws, they are definatly going to drive people away from this industry. Osha is now aggressively going after employers and fining them a million dollars per violation, happened a couple of times last week, one was an asphalt company in michigan, the other was some company in south carolina. Turns out that under map 21, osha and fmcsa are required to work together on this, and it looks like the driver is now protected by federal whistle blower protection laws, and can collect a reward for turning their company in. Fmcsa has said that they plan to use electronic log records to go after shippers and recivers who chase the driver off their property, when the driver runs out of hours. This kind of liability will drive most carriers out of the industry, and discourage any potential new comers from even starting up. It never would have happened without the electronic log mandate, that the ATA and TCA lobbied so hard for. So if you are a shipper who happens to belong either of those organizations, you may want to cancel your membership, cause they are not doing you any favors! Shortage of trucks means higher freight rates for you.

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:06 PM CST

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There's no doubt that were all going through some hard times in this industry right now, but I belive it's about to change. It;s really all about supply and demand, and if you look at the new coersion laws, they are definatly going to drive people away from this industry. Osha is now aggressively going after employers and fining them a million dollars per violation, happened a couple of times last week, one was an asphalt company in michigan, the other was some company in south carolina. Turns out that under map 21, osha and fmcsa are required to work together on this, and it looks like the driver is now protected by federal whistle blower protection laws, and can collect a reward for turning their company in. Fmcsa has said that they plan to use electronic log records to go after shippers and recivers who chase the driver off their property, when the driver runs out of hours. This kind of liability will drive most carriers out of the industry, and discourage any potential new comers from even starting up. It never would have happened without the electronic log mandate, that the ATA and TCA lobbied so hard for. So if you are a shipper who happens to belong either of those organizations, you may want to cancel your membership, cause they are not doing you any favors! Shortage of trucks means higher freight rates for you.

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:07 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I do not haul anything less than $2 a mile. If they can't meet that rate I dead head home.

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:07 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. $2 mile is still way to cheap

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:07 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. $2.20 - 2.40 per mile in the Mid-West is a good rate when our fuel only cost 3.50 per gallon compared to what you are paying on the West-Coast. Please realize when I run in your neck of the woods which is hardly ever. I charge $6 per mile to go there so that we can make $3 per mile round trip. So when I am spitting out numbers that means every mile that our trucks run. This is what we do anytime somebody needs our truck to go where there is not consistent freight with fair to decent rates all around. I remember when we used to get $6 - $10 per mile with our RGN. Now their are people out there hauling heavy for around $2.50 per mile, well they won't last long. I made a big mistake buying the hopper based upon Owner/Operator and driver's advice they swore up and down that you could average $3 a mile or better. Well I should have known they don't know JackS***. Our dry boxes have been smoking the hopper, so I will only keep the hopper for local work when my men want to keep busy with the cheap ass hopper freight. I should have remembered all the lines that I had to wait in when I was a 14 yr old kid driving for the farmer. But that is the way it goes, sometimes we believe those that have been trucking for 30+ years versus our own good judgement (my fault for trusting people that screwed up the industry in the first place.) There you go I said it, the drivers had the power to stop the BS but could not get their heads out of their 4th point of contact to do anything about it. So I will adapt and overcome as the market allows. Don't get me wrong we have accounts that pay $4 per mile as well but after you figure in the bounce you will be at around $2 per mile. Here is a comparison: Hopper bounce miles per week: 635 Dry van bounce miles per week: 198 Rate per all miles for the two trucks: Hopper $2 for 25T, Dry Van $2.35 for 17,000 lb loads. Which one of those make sense? New Hopper: $40,550 New Dry Van: $30,000. I just thought I would banter with you a little and show you that I do indeed know my numbers.

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:07 PM CST

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$2.20 - 2.40 per mile in the Mid-West is a good rate when our fuel only cost 3.50 per gallon compared to what you are paying on the West-Coast. Please realize when I run in your neck of the woods which is hardly ever. I charge $6 per mile to go there so that we can make $3 per mile round trip. So when I am spitting out numbers that means every mile that our trucks run. This is what we do anytime somebody needs our truck to go where there is not consistent freight with fair to decent rates all around. I remember when we used to get $6 - $10 per mile with our RGN. Now their are people out there hauling heavy for around $2.50 per mile, well they won't last long. I made a big mistake buying the hopper based upon Owner/Operator and driver's advice they swore up and down that you could average $3 a mile or better. Well I should have known they don't know JackS***. Our dry boxes have been smoking the hopper, so I will only keep the hopper for local work when my men want to keep busy with the cheap ass hopper freight. I should have remembered all the lines that I had to wait in when I was a 14 yr old kid driving for the farmer. But that is the way it goes, sometimes we believe those that have been trucking for 30+ years versus our own good judgement (my fault for trusting people that screwed up the industry in the first place.) There you go I said it, the drivers had the power to stop the BS but could not get their heads out of their 4th point of contact to do anything about it. So I will adapt and overcome as the market allows. Don't get me wrong we have accounts that pay $4 per mile as well but after you figure in the bounce you will be at around $2 per mile. Here is a comparison: Hopper bounce miles per week: 635 Dry van bounce miles per week: 198 Rate per all miles for the two trucks: Hopper $2 for 25T, Dry Van $2.35 for 17,000 lb loads. Which one of those make sense? New Hopper: $40,550 New Dry Van: $30,000. I just thought I would banter with you a little and show you that I do indeed know my numbers.

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:07 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Gil, sorry to say that there is no money in Florida unless it is by illegal activities. My sister in law lives in Orlando, and is a teacher they pay teachers down there around $25,000 to $30,000 per year. My wife makes $50,000 here at a country school in Missouri. Harvest is getting ready to start in a couple of weeks and the hoppers will be in demand for the next couple of months. All of the farmers will be pulling their trucks to the fields, you can make pretty decent money running the grain to the big elevators in the city for the next couple of months. After that we will be getting back to our dry boxes for the Christmas rush. Hoppers only run good during planting and harvest, the rest of the time they really suck. Unless you like to haul the meal products then you can do ok. Better like sitting in lines for upto 24 hrs at a time at places like Tys**.

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:07 PM CST

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Gil, sorry to say that there is no money in Florida unless it is by illegal activities. My sister in law lives in Orlando, and is a teacher they pay teachers down there around $25,000 to $30,000 per year. My wife makes $50,000 here at a country school in Missouri. Harvest is getting ready to start in a couple of weeks and the hoppers will be in demand for the next couple of months. All of the farmers will be pulling their trucks to the fields, you can make pretty decent money running the grain to the big elevators in the city for the next couple of months. After that we will be getting back to our dry boxes for the Christmas rush. Hoppers only run good during planting and harvest, the rest of the time they really suck. Unless you like to haul the meal products then you can do ok. Better like sitting in lines for upto 24 hrs at a time at places like Tys**.

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:07 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Gil, Give me a call at 816-853-2301.

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:07 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. We are in florida working local hauling dump trailers at maybe $1.20 a mile at 29-30 tons but that is about The pay down here... dont expect to get much better than that hauling aggregates. Yes it sucks after 530 miles and diesel its 330-350 TOPS There is NO money in fl pulling dumps or any other trailers for that matter Ive been thinking of moving out of here any idea of a fair local job for owner operator pulling ANY trailer around you?

Replied on Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 01:07 PM CST

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We are in florida working local hauling dump trailers at maybe $1.20 a mile at 29-30 tons but that is about
The pay down here... dont expect to get much better than that hauling aggregates.

Yes it sucks after 530 miles and diesel its 330-350 TOPS

There is NO money in fl pulling dumps or any other trailers for that matter

Ive been thinking of moving out of here any idea of a fair local job for owner operator pulling ANY trailer around you?