Self Driving Trucks

May 27, 2019 at 09:05 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. As the Department of Labor has basically told the DOT and FMCSA to be hands off on the companies testing Driverless Trucks. This is a sign by their own admission that tech companies do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. Imagine for a moment if the DOT and FMCSA were to not have their week long party next week. If you are a driverless trucking company than you have nothing to worry about. Your trucks will not be inspected, you will not be harrassed, you will continue to run down the road while the trucks that have drivers are at the scales. The DOL wants driverless trucks to be implemented over the next 5-10 years. The industry will continue to scream driver shortage as a ploy to make this happen. The problem is not a lack of drivers, the problem is a lack of quality drivers. Why is this the case? Piss poor training, Piss poor wages, continued over regulation of this industry that already has way to many regulations (so much for the Rumpsters getting rid of more regulations). I warned a lot of people about the ELD mandate being much bigger than trucking. People stated that it would not happen in their life time but it did. I have been warning as many as I can about these driverless trucks, just to hear that it will not happen in our lifetime. It is here and will happen if we do not get involved and put a stop to it. They plan on taking our fuel tax money and building driverless truck highways. Funny how we will be the ones paying for our own demise.

Replied on Mon, May 27, 2019 at 02:01 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Just wait..these yahoos with all of their so called knowledge of the trucking industry..and the unpredictible. Think they will just zoom right on in and ta ke over...they will fill up the ditches with trucks in the wintertime..but but thats a learning experience..these so called cars that they say can drive them selves..has already hurt and killed people..and you think trucks are going to be any better? Wait until the attorneys get hold of this one...BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT WITH AN AUTONOMOUS TRUCK? WE CAN SUE AND GET YOU MILLIONS..These so called geniuses of the computer era..think that a hundred years from today..is today..trucks are not a laptop computer..nor are people..if you think about it..its all about the NWO..and you arent needed anymore..

Replied on Mon, May 27, 2019 at 02:01 PM CST

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Just wait..these yahoos with all of their so called knowledge of the trucking industry..and the unpredictible. Think they will just zoom right on in and ta ke over...they will fill up the ditches with trucks in the wintertime..but but thats a learning experience..these so called cars that they say can drive them selves..has already hurt and killed people..and you think trucks are going to be any better? Wait until the attorneys get hold of this one...BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT WITH AN AUTONOMOUS TRUCK? WE CAN SUE AND GET YOU MILLIONS..These so called geniuses of the computer era..think that a hundred years from today..is today..trucks are not a laptop computer..nor are people..if you think about it..its all about the NWO..and you arent needed anymore..

Replied on Mon, May 27, 2019 at 02:01 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. That's interesting. And a little bit scary. It makes me wonder how much death they will deem acceptable because the one thing you can count on with new equipment is failure. They continue to build engines and equipment in general, much crappier, none of it is reliable which is why autonomous tractors have been a flop for farmers. There's always a sensor failure, or something. I agree with you that they are going to push hard for it, and I believe it will kill a lot of people and damage lots of equipment

Replied on Mon, May 27, 2019 at 02:01 PM CST

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That's interesting. And a little bit scary. It makes me wonder how much death they will deem acceptable because the one thing you can count on with new equipment is failure. They continue to build engines and equipment in general, much crappier, none of it is reliable which is why autonomous tractors have been a flop for farmers. There's always a sensor failure, or something. I agree with you that they are going to push hard for it, and I believe it will kill a lot of people and damage lots of equipment

Replied on Tue, May 28, 2019 at 07:10 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "That's interesting. And a little bit scary. It makes me wonder how much death they will deem acceptable because the one thing you can count on with new equipment is failure. They continue to build engines and equipment in general, much crappier, none of it is reliable which is why autonomous tractors have been a flop for farmers. There's always a sensor failure, or something. I agree with you that they are going to push hard for it, and I believe it will kill a lot of people and damage lots of equipment " When I asked the FMCSA at our monthly meetings, why Swift Transportation could kill 40+ people per year and nothing was done about it. The answer was that it was complicated. We have been stating that if automated trucks were allowed that they should never be allowed without a driver in the seat along with the truck. They do not even allow planes to fly without a pilot or co-pilot. The driverless trucks are being pushed by the Department of Labor even the folks at the FMCSA and DOT are upset with how quickly states are moving forward without proper evidence as to the safety of the driverless trucks. High Tech money is behind the scenes just like the ELD mandate pushing this forward with a quickness. I remember warning everybody about the ELD mandate and people just laughed and said it would not happen in their lifetime. Well it did, and I am hearing the same responses back about the driverless trucks. Well they are already being tested and have been for quite some time now. This will happen in your lifetime if you do not express your total disagreement with the driverless trucks.

Replied on Tue, May 28, 2019 at 07:10 AM CST

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Quote: "That's interesting. And a little bit scary. It makes me wonder how much death they will deem acceptable because the one thing you can count on with new equipment is failure. They continue to build engines and equipment in general, much crappier, none of it is reliable which is why autonomous tractors have been a flop for farmers. There's always a sensor failure, or something. I agree with you that they are going to push hard for it, and I believe it will kill a lot of people and damage lots of equipment "

When I asked the FMCSA at our monthly meetings, why Swift Transportation could kill 40+ people per year and nothing was done about it. The answer was that it was complicated.

We have been stating that if automated trucks were allowed that they should never be allowed without a driver in the seat along with the truck. They do not even allow planes to fly without a pilot or co-pilot.

The driverless trucks are being pushed by the Department of Labor even the folks at the FMCSA and DOT are upset with how quickly states are moving forward without proper evidence as to the safety of the driverless trucks.

High Tech money is behind the scenes just like the ELD mandate pushing this forward with a quickness. I remember warning everybody about the ELD mandate and people just laughed and said it would not happen in their lifetime. Well it did, and I am hearing the same responses back about the driverless trucks. Well they are already being tested and have been for quite some time now. This will happen in your lifetime if you do not express your total disagreement with the driverless trucks.

Replied on Tue, May 28, 2019 at 07:11 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I would like to watch (from a safe distance) one of these so called driverless trucks anywhere east of the Mississippi river. Its computer would probably crash and self destruct itself from being cut off so many times in the first mile. Really I'm not to concerned if they think a computer can do my job better than me. Be my guest.

Replied on Tue, May 28, 2019 at 03:46 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. i'll be the first to admit that technology is pretty impressive as to what its capable of. But theres room for so much error in a self driving situation. obviouslt we are human so we make plenty of mistakes too...but how does a self driving truck understand road construction? how does it comprehend that an interstate merges to two lanes during construction? how does it comprehend where to merge, construction speed limits, 67000 potholes on i80 in wyoming, how about moving over for emergency vehicles (most new truckers dont move over anyway) but still....id be more afraid to by a highway patrolman, tow truck operator, highway survey crew, or highway worker in general. there are just so many variables and i look at how the auto steer on my tractor cant go 20 minutes without freezing up or doing something wrong i cant imagine this working, and even worse i cant imagine how they have people in favor of it. i have no doubt they will get it pushed through but what do we do? ive been complaining to local senators ect about HOS for a year and a half and i finally get a call back from senator thune and i dont answer that damn phone because it was a number i didnt recognize and figured it was a telemarketer because i get those calls 10000 times a day, listen to the voicemail and it ends up being his office but it will probably take another year and a half to get through again. So where do you start on this one??

Replied on Tue, May 28, 2019 at 03:46 PM CST

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i'll be the first to admit that technology is pretty impressive as to what its capable of. But theres room for so much error in a self driving situation. obviouslt we are human so we make plenty of mistakes too...but how does a self driving truck understand road construction? how does it comprehend that an interstate merges to two lanes during construction? how does it comprehend where to merge, construction speed limits, 67000 potholes on i80 in wyoming, how about moving over for emergency vehicles (most new truckers dont move over anyway) but still....id be more afraid to by a highway patrolman, tow truck operator, highway survey crew, or highway worker in general. there are just so many variables and i look at how the auto steer on my tractor cant go 20 minutes without freezing up or doing something wrong i cant imagine this working, and even worse i cant imagine how they have people in favor of it. i have no doubt they will get it pushed through but what do we do?

ive been complaining to local senators ect about HOS for a year and a half and i finally get a call back from senator thune and i dont answer that damn phone because it was a number i didnt recognize and figured it was a telemarketer because i get those calls 10000 times a day, listen to the voicemail and it ends up being his office but it will probably take another year and a half to get through again. So where do you start on this one??

Replied on Tue, May 28, 2019 at 06:35 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "i'll be the first to admit that technology is pretty impressive as to what its capable of. But theres room for so much error in a self driving situation. obviouslt we are human so we make plenty of mistakes too...but how does a self driving truck understand road construction? how does it comprehend that an interstate merges to two lanes during construction? how does it comprehend where to merge, construction speed limits, 67000 potholes on i80 in wyoming, how about moving over for emergency vehicles (most new truckers dont move over anyway) but still....id be more afraid to by a highway patrolman, tow truck operator, highway survey crew, or highway worker in general. there are just so many variables and i look at how the auto steer on my tractor cant go 20 minutes without freezing up or doing something wrong i cant imagine this working, and even worse i cant imagine how they have people in favor of it. i have no doubt they will get it pushed through but what do we do? ive been complaining to local senators ect about HOS for a year and a half and i finally get a call back from senator thune and i dont answer that damn phone because it was a number i didnt recognize and figured it was a telemarketer because i get those calls 10000 times a day, listen to the voicemail and it ends up being his office but it will probably take another year and a half to get through again. So where do you start on this one??" The politicians only care about the lobbying money. The Tech Companies have far more money to influence them than most of all of us. Put the farmers, truckers (big and small), we do not even come close to Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, etc. They were the major pushers of the ELD Mandate. Look how Google used Keep Truckin to track truckers and their times at shippers and then open up their brokerage firm. Uber and Convoy are a couple more Techie companies that are degrading the rates as fast as they can. Now Amazon is running the rates down the toilet to keep things as profitable for themselves. The Techies only care about two things, profit and getting rid of the working man with tech.

Replied on Tue, May 28, 2019 at 06:35 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "i'll be the first to admit that technology is pretty impressive as to what its capable of. But theres room for so much error in a self driving situation. obviouslt we are human so we make plenty of mistakes too...but how does a self driving truck understand road construction? how does it comprehend that an interstate merges to two lanes during construction? how does it comprehend where to merge, construction speed limits, 67000 potholes on i80 in wyoming, how about moving over for emergency vehicles (most new truckers dont move over anyway) but still....id be more afraid to by a highway patrolman, tow truck operator, highway survey crew, or highway worker in general. there are just so many variables and i look at how the auto steer on my tractor cant go 20 minutes without freezing up or doing something wrong i cant imagine this working, and even worse i cant imagine how they have people in favor of it. i have no doubt they will get it pushed through but what do we do? ive been complaining to local senators ect about HOS for a year and a half and i finally get a call back from senator thune and i dont answer that damn phone because it was a number i didnt recognize and figured it was a telemarketer because i get those calls 10000 times a day, listen to the voicemail and it ends up being his office but it will probably take another year and a half to get through again. So where do you start on this one??"

The politicians only care about the lobbying money. The Tech Companies have far more money to influence them than most of all of us. Put the farmers, truckers (big and small), we do not even come close to Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, etc. They were the major pushers of the ELD Mandate. Look how Google used Keep Truckin to track truckers and their times at shippers and then open up their brokerage firm. Uber and Convoy are a couple more Techie companies that are degrading the rates as fast as they can. Now Amazon is running the rates down the toilet to keep things as profitable for themselves.

The Techies only care about two things, profit and getting rid of the working man with tech.

Replied on Wed, May 29, 2019 at 07:05 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Whenever its doom and gloom it can be new opportunities for other avenues. Think about all the new medical jobs and tow truck drivers and roadside service guys. Health care and medics and fire departments will be booming with calls. Meanwhile with all the rubbish laws that keep getting passed by the fmsca why not go to a dummy. thats what they trying to make us anyway. Once this auto truck things gets going in 20 years i will be done driving and think of all the fun we can have. we could make a virtual exit off the hyway and these computer trucks would come in and the exit ramp would lead into a quarry and we would have to move the virtual exit once no more trucks can fit in the hole. this doesnt worry me much cause the driver less rig will not threaten my position for 30 more years. and many of these new hip drivers with the white ear cords and the elog clock worry me more then a computer.

Replied on Wed, May 29, 2019 at 07:05 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Whenever its doom and gloom it can be new opportunities for other avenues. Think about all the new medical jobs and tow truck drivers and roadside service guys. Health care and medics and fire departments will be booming with calls. Meanwhile with all the rubbish laws that keep getting passed by the fmsca why not go to a dummy. thats what they trying to make us anyway. Once this auto truck things gets going in 20 years i will be done driving and think of all the fun we can have. we could make a virtual exit off the hyway and these computer trucks would come in and the exit ramp would lead into a quarry and we would have to move the virtual exit once no more trucks can fit in the hole. this doesnt worry me much cause the driver less rig will not threaten my position for 30 more years. and many of these new hip drivers with the white ear cords and the elog clock worry me more then a computer.

Replied on Thu, May 30, 2019 at 07:57 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. We probably will have autonomous trucks soon, but first we will have autonomous brokers. It seems the owners of these tech companies dream of the day that people are no longer needed, and the government pays us all to stay home. I wonder if they will feel the same way, once the government confiscates their wealth to support all of us? Hymmm.