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I'm not their yet but I'm getting closer every day.", "forumContentHtml": "Could it be do to the following factors? \r\n \r\n Farmer owned trucks. \r\n Farmer owned trucks don't have the same pressure to produce revenue that those owned by people trying to support their families and a truck payment have. They \r\n own them as part of their larger business. \r\n \r\n \r\n Semi retired owner operators \r\n Guys that have had their fill of being away from home for weeks and now have their trucks, homes, cars paid for. They have the social security checks coming in so they are just supplementing that. \r\n \r\nIn either case, they aren't wanting to rock any boats by demanding a higher rate. They just need to get out of the house so their wives think they are working. I'm not their yet but I'm getting closer every day.", "thumbUrl": "", "dateAdded": "2018-02-10T18:35:15Z", "lastPost": "2018-02-14T18:48:21Z", "views": 4444, "likes": 6, "dislikes": 3, "messageCount": 15, "premiumOnly": 0, "isfeatured": 0, "showInDays": -100, "showDate": "", "forumLink": "", "youtubeVideoId": "", "approved": 1, "active": 1, "alias": "bulk-rates-not-risingcould-it-be-due-to", "forumUrl": "https://www.bulkloads.com/forum/bulk-rates-not-risingcould-it-be-due-to/", "userId": 95907, "firstName": "DAVID", "lastName": "ZIERKE", "companyName": "ZIERKE LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Hawarden", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 42, "userLikes": 22, "replies": [ { "replyId": 43035, "content": "Road construction work here is all fancy corn-bought newer trucks and shiny new dump trailers driven by farmer or his spoiled kid, or Latinos driving JUNK", "contentHtml": "Road construction work here is all fancy corn-bought newer trucks and shiny new dump trailers driven by farmer or his spoiled kid, or Latinos driving JUNK", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2016-08-25", "dateAdded": "2018-02-11T15:34:28Z", "likes": 4, "dislikes": 1, "approved": 1, "userId": 99309, "firstName": "PAUL", "lastName": "GAMBIANI ", "companyName": "PAUL GAMBIANI TRUCKING ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Peru", "state": "IL", "userCommentCount": 15, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43038, "content": "All of the reasons you have listed play into it..... The other part of it is competition from the railroads and river barges. Back when I was knee high to a grasshopper, every trucking company around here, had hopper bottoms. After deregulation the number became fewer and fewer. By the end of the 80's, 95% got rid of them. Then you noticed a couple of shysters pop up, and exploit the hell out of the owner operators, until they finally exuasted that supply of cheap labor. Around this area it is considered bottom feeder work, even the foriegner' won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Typically anymore the only way to sell a company when you want to retire, is to have a auction and sell the equipment and property, and pray like hell you have enough left over to pay the capitol gains tax.", "contentHtml": "All of the reasons you have listed play into it..... The other part of it is competition from the railroads and river barges. Back when I was knee high to a grasshopper, every trucking company around here, had hopper bottoms. After deregulation the number became fewer and fewer. By the end of the 80's, 95% got rid of them. Then you noticed a couple of shysters pop up, and exploit the hell out of the owner operators, until they finally exuasted that supply of cheap labor. Around this area it is considered bottom feeder work, even the foriegner' won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Typically anymore the only way to sell a company when you want to retire, is to have a auction and sell the equipment and property, and pray like hell you have enough left over to pay the capitol gains tax.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-09-17", "dateAdded": "2018-02-12T02:26:03Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 5383, "firstName": "Dave", "lastName": "Winters", "companyName": "DWT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Clearwater", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 1292, "userLikes": 490, "userDislikes": 175, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43041, "content": "the actual selling price of what you are hauling. \n", "contentHtml": "the actual selling price of what you are hauling. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-10-30", "dateAdded": "2018-02-12T19:56:10Z", "likes": 4, "dislikes": 1, "approved": 1, "userId": 12560, "firstName": "NANCY", "lastName": "HARDER", "companyName": "CORBO AGRO LTD.", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "SASKATOON", "state": "SK", "userCommentCount": 258, "userLikes": 166, "userDislikes": 18, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43042, "content": "You raise a good point Nancy. Let's look at that article over in the news section that originated in Bloomberg about Tyson foods expecting to pay a additional $200 million dollars more for trucking this year, becuase of this ELD mandate. Tyson will try to pass that added cost on to the consumer, but what happens if the consumer decides to consume less as a result of that? Then Tyson will be loosing $200 million this year. What will that do to the price of their stock? And how many more Tyson stories are out there? Does anyone see a crash coming?", "contentHtml": "You raise a good point Nancy. Let's look at that article over in the news section that originated in Bloomberg about Tyson foods expecting to pay a additional $200 million dollars more for trucking this year, becuase of this ELD mandate. Tyson will try to pass that added cost on to the consumer, but what happens if the consumer decides to consume less as a result of that? Then Tyson will be loosing $200 million this year. What will that do to the price of their stock? And how many more Tyson stories are out there? Does anyone see a crash coming?", "parentReplyId": 43041, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-09-17", "dateAdded": "2018-02-12T20:19:41Z", "likes": 2, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 5383, "firstName": "Dave", "lastName": "Winters", "companyName": "DWT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Clearwater", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 1292, "userLikes": 490, "userDislikes": 175, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43043, "content": "If you think the rates in the bulk market suck now, what do you suppose they will look like when the Dow plunges right down to 6000 points, and it puts us back where we were in the Great Depression? I wonder if China and Russia will bail us out, after all of the saber rattling that's been going on? The folks from the ATA might want to flee the country.", "contentHtml": "If you think the rates in the bulk market suck now, what do you suppose they will look like when the Dow plunges right down to 6000 points, and it puts us back where we were in the Great Depression? I wonder if China and Russia will bail us out, after all of the saber rattling that's been going on? The folks from the ATA might want to flee the country.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-09-17", "dateAdded": "2018-02-12T20:39:09Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 1, "approved": 1, "userId": 5383, "firstName": "Dave", "lastName": "Winters", "companyName": "DWT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Clearwater", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 1292, "userLikes": 490, "userDislikes": 175, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43045, "content": "Just look infront or behind you most of the time the people who say they don't haul cheap are the ones getting loads to go home for 1.25 a mile we all need to stop hauling cheap but nothing going to change no one is willing to do anything about it", "contentHtml": "Just look infront or behind you most of the time the people who say they don't haul cheap are the ones getting loads to go home for 1.25 a mile we all need to stop hauling cheap but nothing going to change no one is willing to do anything about it", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2017-05-01", "dateAdded": "2018-02-12T21:05:44Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 106647, "firstName": "Luis", "lastName": "Argoth", "companyName": "ARGOTH ENTERPRISES LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Tama", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 14, "userLikes": 6, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43046, "content": "Why would shippers raise rates when you have guys accepting low paying loads? We have guys hauling for 36 cents a bushel not making a dime and the shippers are telling us they have guys that will haul for the 36 cents. We refuse low paying loads.", "contentHtml": "Why would shippers raise rates when you have guys accepting low paying loads? We have guys hauling for 36 cents a bushel not making a dime and the shippers are telling us they have guys that will haul for the 36 cents. We refuse low paying loads.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2015-02-06", "dateAdded": "2018-02-12T21:30:37Z", "likes": 2, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 45111, "firstName": "HOWARD", "lastName": "RASMUSSEN", "companyName": "RAZZ TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Wendell", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 108, "userLikes": 9, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43047, "content": "without a doubt this is going to drive the matgins down and the shareholders will not have a choce but to take that dive with it. you can only suck so much blood from the market expense rock coupled with a fair market price to the consumer.\n", "contentHtml": "without a doubt this is going to drive the matgins down and the shareholders will not have a choce but to take that dive with it. you can only suck so much blood from the market expense rock coupled with a fair market price to the consumer. ", "parentReplyId": 43042, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-10-30", "dateAdded": "2018-02-12T21:37:14Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12560, "firstName": "NANCY", "lastName": "HARDER", "companyName": "CORBO AGRO LTD.", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "SASKATOON", "state": "SK", "userCommentCount": 258, "userLikes": 166, "userDislikes": 18, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43048, "content": "All these guys want 6 bucks a mile, and that's fine.... But what they fail to understand is that the market can't give you what's not there. Remember back when OPEC thought we could afford $200 dollar a barrel, for crude oil? How did that turn out for them? They shot themself in the foot, our economy collapsed and they wound up getting 25 bucks a barrel, and then we started fracking to ensure market stability. This is no different. It's insane to think that as truckers, our standard of living can rise overnight, while every other working consumer remains stuck where they are economically. For us truckers to make more, the consumers need to make more, everything has to work together, just like all of the components in your drive line.", "contentHtml": "All these guys want 6 bucks a mile, and that's fine.... But what they fail to understand is that the market can't give you what's not there. Remember back when OPEC thought we could afford $200 dollar a barrel, for crude oil? How did that turn out for them? They shot themself in the foot, our economy collapsed and they wound up getting 25 bucks a barrel, and then we started fracking to ensure market stability. This is no different. It's insane to think that as truckers, our standard of living can rise overnight, while every other working consumer remains stuck where they are economically. For us truckers to make more, the consumers need to make more, everything has to work together, just like all of the components in your drive line.", "parentReplyId": 43047, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-09-17", "dateAdded": "2018-02-12T22:13:20Z", "likes": 7, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 5383, "firstName": "Dave", "lastName": "Winters", "companyName": "DWT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Clearwater", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 1292, "userLikes": 490, "userDislikes": 175, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43049, "content": "The best answer yet.", "contentHtml": "The best answer yet.", "parentReplyId": 43041, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2018-02-13T02:52:53Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43054, "content": "The retired owner operator angle only works until you run out of money due to fixed expenses or your retired a millionaire or have a large subsidy other than a truck thats paid for. This I know for a fact.", "contentHtml": "The retired owner operator angle only works until you run out of money due to fixed expenses or your retired a millionaire or have a large subsidy other than a truck that’s paid for. This I know for a fact. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2017-02-12", "dateAdded": "2018-02-13T14:43:48Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 104410, "firstName": "JERRILYN", "lastName": "CAMERON", "companyName": "IRON HORSE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Hays", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 2, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43058, "content": "The government's worst nightmare is about to happen. They have lost control over the truckers, the rates keep going up, and yet drivers continue to quit. Shippers and brokers are now fighting over trucks, and a bidding war has broken out. Some have doubled or tripled rates, and there are no trucks to be found, it is now discussed daily in the news cycle, from CBS to Bloomberg there are stories of shippers begging for mercy, at the slowest time of the year for trucking. The economy it seems is now in a chokehold, and any future economic growth is now constrained by what many shippers are already calling the worst transportation crisis they have ever seen. And on Wall Street it has spread fear of mass inflation and higher interest rates. There are fears that many shippers may not be able to get their products to market as spring time grows near, and America's farmers who are still struggling to cope with last year's losses, are expected to see higher costs from seed to fertilizer, and everything in between. At the heart of it all, is the controversial ELD mandate, that The ATA aggressively promoted............... It is now commonly referred to as the Death sentence mandate, by many small businesses owners, who struggle desperately to find trucks.", "contentHtml": "The government's worst nightmare is about to happen. They have lost control over the truckers, the rates keep going up, and yet drivers continue to quit. Shippers and brokers are now fighting over trucks, and a bidding war has broken out. Some have doubled or tripled rates, and there are no trucks to be found, it is now discussed daily in the news cycle, from CBS to Bloomberg there are stories of shippers begging for mercy, at the slowest time of the year for trucking. The economy it seems is now in a chokehold, and any future economic growth is now constrained by what many shippers are already calling the worst transportation crisis they have ever seen. And on Wall Street it has spread fear of mass inflation and higher interest rates. There are fears that many shippers may not be able to get their products to market as spring time grows near, and America's farmers who are still struggling to cope with last year's losses, are expected to see higher costs from seed to fertilizer, and everything in between. At the heart of it all, is the controversial ELD mandate, that The ATA aggressively promoted............... It is now commonly referred to as the Death sentence mandate, by many small businesses owners, who struggle desperately to find trucks.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-09-17", "dateAdded": "2018-02-14T01:04:08Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 5383, "firstName": "Dave", "lastName": "Winters", "companyName": "DWT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Clearwater", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 1292, "userLikes": 490, "userDislikes": 175, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43063, "content": "Wait until April when enforcement kicks in if they don't change something first. Many are thumbing their nose at it so far.", "contentHtml": "Wait until April when enforcement kicks in if they don't change something first. Many are thumbing their nose at it so far.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-05-01", "dateAdded": "2018-02-14T15:09:58Z", "likes": 2, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 10962, "firstName": "DEAN", "lastName": "HUGHSON", "companyName": "WALK-WAY TRANSPORT", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "WINTHROP", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 438, "userLikes": 122, "userDislikes": 60, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 43064, "content": "That will be about the same time that the ELD or me folks all go on vacation, road construction really kicks off, and the farmers park their trucks, and start planting their crops. Hymmmmm.", "contentHtml": "That will be about the same time that the ELD or me folks all go on vacation, road construction really kicks off, and the farmers park their trucks, and start planting their crops. Hymmmmm.", "parentReplyId": 43063, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-09-17", "dateAdded": "2018-02-14T18:48:21Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 5383, "firstName": "Dave", "lastName": "Winters", "companyName": "DWT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Clearwater", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 1292, "userLikes": 490, "userDislikes": 175, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 } ], "userDislikes": 3, "signUpDate": "2016-07-13", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0, "iSubscribe": 0 }

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Posted on Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 1:35 PM CST in Hawarden, IA

Bulk rates not rising...could it be due to

Could it be do to the following factors?

Farmer owned trucks.
Farmer owned trucks don't have the same pressure to produce revenue that those owned by people trying to support their families and a truck payment have. They
own them as part of their larger business.

Semi retired owner operators
Guys that have had their fill of being away from home for weeks and now have their trucks, homes, cars paid for. They have the social security checks coming in so they are just supplementing that.

In either case, they aren't wanting to rock any boats by demanding a higher rate. They just need to get out of the house so their wives think they are working. I'm not their yet but I'm getting closer every day.

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