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{ "forumId": 42536, "postTypeId": 1, "postType": "Forum", "forumTitle": "Truck demurrage", "forumContent": "I was wondering what the mindset of owner operators with drivers on compensation for demurrage. I'm thinking 1 hour for loading and unloading, after 1 hour , 30.00 for driver cost, ( pay , taxes and so forth.) then after the second hour, 70.00 an hour for the truck and driver. Seems like everyone wants to give two hours. I have one broker who says 4 hours then they go back to two hours after the four, that to me doesn't make sense, that tells me that all trucks should be loaded by the forth hour, if not they go back to two, so why it doesn't start at two? Can you figure?", "forumContentHtml": "I was wondering what the mindset of owner operators with drivers on compensation for demurrage. I'm thinking 1 hour for loading and unloading, after 1 hour , 30.00 for driver cost, ( pay , taxes and so forth.) then after the second hour, 70.00 an hour for the truck and driver. Seems like everyone wants to give two hours. I have one broker who says 4 hours then they go back to two hours after the four, that to me doesn't make sense, that tells me that all trucks should be loaded by the forth hour, if not they go back to two, so why it doesn't start at two? Can you figure? ", "thumbUrl": "", "dateAdded": "2016-02-23T12:23:19Z", "lastPost": "2016-02-24T21:31:47Z", "views": 9252, "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "messageCount": 19, "premiumOnly": 0, "isfeatured": 0, "showInDays": -100, "showDate": "", "forumLink": "", "youtubeVideoId": "", "approved": 1, "active": 1, "alias": "truck-demurrage", "forumUrl": "https://www.bulkloads.com/forum/truck-demurrage/", "userId": 1721, "firstName": "Mike", "lastName": "Huellinghoff", "companyName": "HUELLINGHOFF BROS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Union", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 28, "userLikes": 6, "replies": [ { "replyId": 35098, "content": "This subject started the first fight I had with my broker. Truck was at Mid South Milling in KC KS. Got there the night before, but still 5 trucks ahead of him. Driver sent me a text @ 8 in the mornig, all is good, should be out by 10. I talked with him again at 3:30 and still 3 trucks ahead of him. Called broker and was told Mid South does not pay wait time. Driver tells me they went 4 hours without unloading a truck, they were milling as they were full.\n \n Needless to say, I lost it with the broker then. Told her waiting is one thing, but now they are renting my truck for storage without my permission. Told her I want 500 for the day which is very fair for a truck and driver. She called the next day and said \"I got you 200, that is great because Mid South does not pay\". My question to her was, \"why does Mid South get to set the rate for my truck and driver, and why do you think that is fair?\"\n \n Had I been in the truck, after watching them not unload a truck for even a couple of hours, I would have more than likely walked in the office and told them they had 30 minutes to get me unloaded or to show me where in the parking lot they wanted this.\n", "contentHtml": "This subject started the first fight I had with my broker. Truck was at Mid South Milling in KC KS. Got there the night before, but still 5 trucks ahead of him. Driver sent me a text @ 8 in the mornig, all is good, should be out by 10. I talked with him again at 3:30 and still 3 trucks ahead of him. Called broker and was told Mid South does not pay wait time. Driver tells me they went 4 hours without unloading a truck, they were milling as they were full. \r\n \r\nNeedless to say, I lost it with the broker then. Told her waiting is one thing, but now they are renting my truck for storage without my permission. Told her I want 500 for the day which is very fair for a truck and driver. She called the next day and said "I got you 200, that is great because Mid South does not pay". My question to her was, "why does Mid South get to set the rate for my truck and driver, and why do you think that is fair?" \r\n \r\nHad I been in the truck, after watching them not unload a truck for even a couple of hours, I would have more than likely walked in the office and told them they had 30 minutes to get me unloaded or to show me where in the parking lot they wanted this. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2015-02-22", "dateAdded": "2016-02-23T12:59:37Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 47042, "firstName": "ARNIE", "lastName": "SHEARER", "companyName": "BEST SHOT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Excello", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 50, "userLikes": 7, "userDislikes": 3, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35099, "content": "You and I know who lost on that one. I just wished some of these guys would come to their senses and see that giving these shippers and brokers all this free time is costing the guys who want to be fair with their drivers a real heartache. I'm can't see putting my drivers on this deal I'm doing now, about the only way I could come out is buying an extra trailer and keep one preloaded, so all the driver has to do is run it off, but I shouldn't have to.", "contentHtml": "You and I know who lost on that one. I just wished some of these guys would come to their senses and see that giving these shippers and brokers all this free time is costing the guys who want to be fair with their drivers a real heartache. I'm can't see putting my drivers on this deal I'm doing now, about the only way I could come out is buying an extra trailer and keep one preloaded, so all the driver has to do is run it off, but I shouldn't have to.", "parentReplyId": 35098, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-03", "dateAdded": "2016-02-23T14:16:19Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1721, "firstName": "Mike", "lastName": "Huellinghoff", "companyName": "HUELLINGHOFF BROS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Union", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 28, "userLikes": 6, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35102, "content": "Hey Mike I load at the same place you guys do I've often ask myself the same question I've asked many people about that and I'm always told because that's the way it is I just shrug my shoulders and you know", "contentHtml": "Hey Mike I load at the same place you guys do I've often ask myself the same question I've asked many people about that and I'm always told because that's the way it is I just shrug my shoulders and you know", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-06-12", "dateAdded": "2016-02-23T14:54:18Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 1, "approved": 1, "userId": 15182, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "WEAST", "companyName": "FAIR GROVE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fair Grove", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 608, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35106, "content": "Demurrage should be at least $70.00 hour after the first hour. If they can't load a truck within a couple of hours then just leave, unless they want to pay for the time in 4 hour blocks. We want $750.00 for layover, most don't want to pay this in the hopper side of our operation, but we have no problem on the dry van side getting the pay. I think the bulk side is still as screwed up as much as it was when I was a kid. I did not care how long it took to get unloaded when I was a kid, I was getting paid by the hour, but the farmer would get pissed when we could not run at least three loads or more a day. Back then I was only 14 and $2 - $3 per hour was good money to me, it is all relative, now they don't have kids running around too much anymore. Once free time was given away it becomes hard to recapture it, we truckers are just one of the few that our society expects to work for free, as long as we are willing to give away our time others will continue to take it. A broker can not make the production line run any faster, only a shipper and receiver can. A trucker can not make the production line run any faster only the shipper or receiver can. My advice for what it is worth, is to just stay away from the customers that consistently can not manage their facilities. A lot of these locations have not had any upgrades in years and are dangerous to not only our trucks, drivers, but to their employees as well. These types of locations need to buy their own trucks, get their own drivers, and deal with their own headaches. We may have to take the hit once in a while but I put these types of locations on the do no haul list in my database, not all money is good money.\n", "contentHtml": "Demurrage should be at least $70.00 hour after the first hour. If they can't load a truck within a couple of hours then just leave, unless they want to pay for the time in 4 hour blocks. We want $750.00 for layover, most don't want to pay this in the hopper side of our operation, but we have no problem on the dry van side getting the pay. I think the bulk side is still as screwed up as much as it was when I was a kid. I did not care how long it took to get unloaded when I was a kid, I was getting paid by the hour, but the farmer would get pissed when we could not run at least three loads or more a day. Back then I was only 14 and $2 - $3 per hour was good money to me, it is all relative, now they don't have kids running around too much anymore. Once free time was given away it becomes hard to recapture it, we truckers are just one of the few that our society expects to work for free, as long as we are willing to give away our time others will continue to take it. A broker can not make the production line run any faster, only a shipper and receiver can. A trucker can not make the production line run any faster only the shipper or receiver can. My advice for what it is worth, is to just stay away from the customers that consistently can not manage their facilities. A lot of these locations have not had any upgrades in years and are dangerous to not only our trucks, drivers, but to their employees as well. These types of locations need to buy their own trucks, get their own drivers, and deal with their own headaches. We may have to take the hit once in a while but I put these types of locations on the do no haul list in my database, not all money is good money. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2016-02-23T15:37:48Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35107, "content": "Good morning Alfred, as you know I follow your posts closely and feel the need to voice my opinion on this subject. I agree with you 100% on the need for demurrage, BUT, 1 hour is slightly aggressive, it's been my experience that some facilities actually take more than 1 hour to unload a hopper. I guess my thoughts are after 2 hours the clock should start. As for facilities NOT paying demurrage does NOT seem fair, you guys bust your asses to get the feight there when they need it and then forced to sit sucks. My job is to be the mediator between the trucks and shippers sop I hear both sides every single day, the driver claims they need to be paid for waiting in line because he got there when he was asked to, now on the other side of that coin I always hear, \"Well if he hadnt gotten here on time would he be paying me for lost time in production?\" to which I generally reply \"NO\" because the driver has multiple more reasons for not being on time that are well out of his control and in response to that I usually get well breakdowns are out of our control as well. I'm sure you all have heard the same arguments. You mentioned just leaving with the product and dumping it somewhere, well thats fine if you can get by with it without having the law on your day and lawyers collecting clean up charges or theft of product charges etc... I wish I could just play dumb to this subject but unfortunately I've experienced it as a driver and dispatcher/broker. There are many places who will not pay detention time no matter the circumstances, I've spent hours on the phone trying to convince them to be fair to the drivers with little progress. I've made it my policy to NOT even take a load from any place with this reputation without a written agreement for a per hour charge after 2 hours signed by someone with the right authority. this is only my opinion and it seems to be working for me but everyone is different. I'm sure there are certain portions of this post that will be picked apart and singled out by a few as being \"Typical Broker\" but thats alright.", "contentHtml": "Good morning Alfred, as you know I follow your posts closely and feel the need to voice my opinion on this subject. I agree with you 100% on the need for demurrage, BUT, 1 hour is slightly aggressive, it's been my experience that some facilities actually take more than 1 hour to unload a hopper. I guess my thoughts are after 2 hours the clock should start. As for facilities NOT paying demurrage does NOT seem fair, you guys bust your asses to get the feight there when they need it and then forced to sit sucks. My job is to be the mediator between the trucks and shippers sop I hear both sides every single day, the driver claims they need to be paid for waiting in line because he got there when he was asked to, now on the other side of that coin I always hear, "Well if he hadnt gotten here on time would he be paying me for lost time in production?" to which I generally reply "NO" because the driver has multiple more reasons for not being on time that are well out of his control and in response to that I usually get well breakdowns are out of our control as well. I'm sure you all have heard the same arguments. You mentioned just leaving with the product and dumping it somewhere, well thats fine if you can get by with it without having the law on your day and lawyers collecting clean up charges or theft of product charges etc... I wish I could just play dumb to this subject but unfortunately I've experienced it as a driver and dispatcher/broker. There are many places who will not pay detention time no matter the circumstances, I've spent hours on the phone trying to convince them to be fair to the drivers with little progress. I've made it my policy to NOT even take a load from any place with this reputation without a written agreement for a per hour charge after 2 hours signed by someone with the right authority. this is only my opinion and it seems to be working for me but everyone is different. I'm sure there are certain portions of this post that will be picked apart and singled out by a few as being "Typical Broker" but thats alright.", "parentReplyId": 35106, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/JIM-NOLTE-SANDERS INC.-4853-611713-Jims Pics 023.jpg", "signUpDate": "2011-07-01", "dateAdded": "2016-02-23T16:07:53Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 4853, "firstName": "Jim", "lastName": "Nolte", "companyName": "SANDERS INC.", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Ellsworth", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 100, "userLikes": 13, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35108, "content": "Jim, we have to ride it out just like anybody else when the product is on the truck. We just annotate that location and stay away from them in the future. The truck is basically a hostage when the load is on the truck. We only leave if the receiver has refused delivery. To do otherwise would not be prudent. \n \n As far as the one hour time frame that is on our dry van side of the ops. The hopper we are more in tune with two hours, and sometimes more depending on the product, usually we build in our time into the rate. I do not expect the customer to pay us twice for the same work.\n", "contentHtml": "Jim, we have to ride it out just like anybody else when the product is on the truck. We just annotate that location and stay away from them in the future. The truck is basically a hostage when the load is on the truck. We only leave if the receiver has refused delivery. To do otherwise would not be prudent. \r\n \r\nAs far as the one hour time frame that is on our dry van side of the ops. The hopper we are more in tune with two hours, and sometimes more depending on the product, usually we build in our time into the rate. I do not expect the customer to pay us twice for the same work. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2016-02-23T16:49:52Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35109, "content": "Alfred, I agree with you on many things, this is no different. I am just as disgusted as all of you guys are when when of my trucks is held, it costs more thna just the time wasted there, it costs the revenue for the loads set up behind it as well. This is certainly a subject I spend a lot of hours on almost every single week with shippers, my job is to make my O/O's as much money as I can and often times it means spending hours on the phone but we all know thats just part of the job. I am in favor of any kind of system used by anyone to help alleviate this problem, especially if it works better than what I'm doing. As of right now all I do is try to avoid those places without an agreement ahead of time.", "contentHtml": "Alfred, I agree with you on many things, this is no different. I am just as disgusted as all of you guys are when when of my trucks is held, it costs more thna just the time wasted there, it costs the revenue for the loads set up behind it as well. This is certainly a subject I spend a lot of hours on almost every single week with shippers, my job is to make my O/O's as much money as I can and often times it means spending hours on the phone but we all know thats just part of the job. I am in favor of any kind of system used by anyone to help alleviate this problem, especially if it works better than what I'm doing. As of right now all I do is try to avoid those places without an agreement ahead of time.", "parentReplyId": 35108, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/JIM-NOLTE-SANDERS INC.-4853-611713-Jims Pics 023.jpg", "signUpDate": "2011-07-01", "dateAdded": "2016-02-23T16:58:36Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 4853, "firstName": "Jim", "lastName": "Nolte", "companyName": "SANDERS INC.", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Ellsworth", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 100, "userLikes": 13, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35111, "content": "Well,I'm pretty new to this feed commodity business, I settled at the first of the year I was going to get that demurrage charge. I didn't see it was going to get any better,I don't mind sitting if everything is working good, but when they schedule to many trucks for the production,and want to cut back the load weight to 48000 and pay you, for 48000 when you can scale 51000, that's not rite,cut a load or two, or let us go to another facility to get a full load. Running mill stream,heck I can load it faster with a five gallon bucket.", "contentHtml": "Well,I'm pretty new to this feed commodity business, I settled at the first of the year I was going to get that demurrage charge. I didn't see it was going to get any better,I don't mind sitting if everything is working good, but when they schedule to many trucks for the production,and want to cut back the load weight to 48000 and pay you, for 48000 when you can scale 51000, that's not rite,cut a load or two, or let us go to another facility to get a full load. Running mill stream,heck I can load it faster with a five gallon bucket. ", "parentReplyId": 35102, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-03", "dateAdded": "2016-02-23T19:34:14Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1721, "firstName": "Mike", "lastName": "Huellinghoff", "companyName": "HUELLINGHOFF BROS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Union", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 28, "userLikes": 6, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35116, "content": "WellPet in Mishawaka. Avoid if possible", "contentHtml": "WellPet in Mishawaka. Avoid if possible", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-15", "dateAdded": "2016-02-24T01:00:40Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1842, "firstName": "JIM", "lastName": "DREHER", "companyName": "ASHBY TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "STAR CITY", "state": "AR", "userCommentCount": 36, "userLikes": 3, "userDislikes": 7, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35117, "content": "That is another one you need to build in at least 4 - 6 hours for: or $400.00 - $600.00 more for the load should cover it. I know that shippers don't like my style of bidding, but I am used to building houses and I bid all my jobs by the hour, day, plus my profit. If you can't figure out how to get your product into our trailers in a timely fashion the you should pay. Maybe if you upgraded those facilities and paid the help a little more, your product would be ready to go. Pilgrims Pride in Mt Pleasant, TX is one of the worst. What about that hole in Terre Hill, PA I swear I saw a maggot the size of a python floating around in the drain pond, I thought it was going to come on land and try and eat my dog. You would think they would invest some money for a new scale there. Our Volvo barely fit on it with a 42' Timpte, I have freinds that have went into there with their Petes and Kw's and had to drive back to town to scale out their load. I have never been back to that Shole again, cheap freight, bad attitudes, 10 hours to load while they loaded their trucks first. That always does it for me, I don't expect special treatment from anybody, but it is BS when they have us sitting around waiting on product while they load their own trucks first. You all know that I am right about that. They don't want to pay for their own trucks to sit and wait that is what they have us for. \n", "contentHtml": "That is another one you need to build in at least 4 - 6 hours for: or $400.00 - $600.00 more for the load should cover it. I know that shippers don't like my style of bidding, but I am used to building houses and I bid all my jobs by the hour, day, plus my profit. If you can't figure out how to get your product into our trailers in a timely fashion the you should pay. Maybe if you upgraded those facilities and paid the help a little more, your product would be ready to go. Pilgrims Pride in Mt Pleasant, TX is one of the worst. What about that hole in Terre Hill, PA I swear I saw a maggot the size of a python floating around in the drain pond, I thought it was going to come on land and try and eat my dog. You would think they would invest some money for a new scale there. Our Volvo barely fit on it with a 42' Timpte, I have freinds that have went into there with their Petes and Kw's and had to drive back to town to scale out their load. I have never been back to that Shole again, cheap freight, bad attitudes, 10 hours to load while they loaded their trucks first. That always does it for me, I don't expect special treatment from anybody, but it is BS when they have us sitting around waiting on product while they load their own trucks first. You all know that I am right about that. They don't want to pay for their own trucks to sit and wait that is what they have us for. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2016-02-24T01:14:09Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35119, "content": "PetSolutions down in Arkansas absolutely sucks I dumped 26 ton of their crappy product on the ground because they could not get their product up to standards for the pet industry so they kept pulling out a ton or two trying to manipulate it correctly that way when the receiver probed it would look like the whole load was correct after they use my trailer and me as a guinea pig for a few hours they found out real quick Scott Fair Grove Trucking don't screw around either the shit was on the ground I was gone. Another shitty one is Tyson Pine Bluff Arkansas I left 25 ton of DDG on the ground for them almost 3 years ago never been back I'm not a holding tank they wanted to hold me over till Monday because they did not have the room whatever with no pay", "contentHtml": "PetSolutions down in Arkansas absolutely sucks I dumped 26 ton of their crappy product on the ground because they could not get their product up to standards for the pet industry so they kept pulling out a ton or two trying to manipulate it correctly that way when the receiver probed it would look like the whole load was correct after they use my trailer and me as a guinea pig for a few hours they found out real quick Scott Fair Grove Trucking don't screw around either the shit was on the ground I was gone. Another shitty one is Tyson Pine Bluff Arkansas I left 25 ton of DDG on the ground for them almost 3 years ago never been back I'm not a holding tank they wanted to hold me over till Monday because they did not have the room whatever with no pay", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-06-12", "dateAdded": "2016-02-24T03:14:37Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 1, "approved": 1, "userId": 15182, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "WEAST", "companyName": "FAIR GROVE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fair Grove", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 608, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35121, "content": "Seen that in steel hauling too, makes me angry, after you truck all night to get it there, walk in with the paperwork and they tell you have to wait till they get city trucks loaded. I don't go back there either. But you know they keep finding those trucks and drivers. I had posted a load of salt awhile back on the load board, I had all kinds of those weird speaking English people calling me about it, I told them if I can't understand you, how am I to help you? That's the problem there, and a big one, we are being overrun by foreigners,being subsidized by our government. I hope this gets straighten out, maybe Trump is the man to do this.", "contentHtml": "Seen that in steel hauling too, makes me angry, after you truck all night to get it there, walk in with the paperwork and they tell you have to wait till they get city trucks loaded. I don't go back there either. But you know they keep finding those trucks and drivers. I had posted a load of salt awhile back on the load board, I had all kinds of those weird speaking English people calling me about it, I told them if I can't understand you, how am I to help you? That's the problem there, and a big one, we are being overrun by foreigners,being subsidized by our government. I hope this gets straighten out, maybe Trump is the man to do this.", "parentReplyId": 35117, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-03", "dateAdded": "2016-02-24T04:27:57Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1721, "firstName": "Mike", "lastName": "Huellinghoff", "companyName": "HUELLINGHOFF BROS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Union", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 28, "userLikes": 6, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35126, "content": "I realize that things happen on both sides but for the companies that do this day in and day out, well it is not right and they shouldnt have even said anything like that at all because we are not storage. Period. My husband has waited any where from 6- 24 hours to get unloaded. And it is crap. That ia a full days work. There should be a law that makes them have to pay.", "contentHtml": "I realize that things happen on both sides but for the companies that do this day in and day out, well it is not right and they shouldnt have even said anything like that at all because we are not storage. Period. My husband has waited any where from 6- 24 hours to get unloaded. And it is crap. That ia a full days work. There should be a law that makes them have to pay.", "parentReplyId": 35107, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-07", "dateAdded": "2016-02-24T15:08:56Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6852, "firstName": "MARY", "lastName": "BRAGDON", "companyName": "RESCUE", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "West Haven", "state": "CT", "userCommentCount": 2, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35129, "content": "The mega carrier's have made it public knowledge they posted on thisblog to this forum that anyone that holds up their drivers or treat them badly or doesn't do things morally and ethically to their standards will either be bypassed or they will be given a surcharge all the mega carriers do it its not hidden knowledge that it is done", "contentHtml": "The mega carrier's have made it public knowledge they posted on thisblog to this forum that anyone that holds up their drivers or treat them badly or doesn't do things morally and ethically to their standards will either be bypassed or they will be given a surcharge all the mega carriers do it its not hidden knowledge that it is done", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-06-12", "dateAdded": "2016-02-24T16:49:45Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 15182, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "WEAST", "companyName": "FAIR GROVE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fair Grove", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 608, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35136, "content": "Thought you would get a kick out of this from the FMCSA: I guess we are only worth min. wage\n \n Fair Pay for Long-Distance Truck & Bus Drivers: Many over-the-road truck and bus drivers are compensated by the mile or on a fixed-rate per load. As a result, they are not paid for extended periods of time spent on-the-clock when they are detained by waiting for shipments to be loaded or unloaded at shippers or receivers facilities. Similarly, over-the-road motorcoach drivers are often compensated in a manner other than an hourly wage. As a result, they often face pressure to drive beyond hours-of-service limitations as a matter of economic necessity, risking driver fatigue and jeopardizing highway safety in the process. The GROW AMERICA Act addresses these problems by providing the Secretary authority to issue regulations that would require motor carriers to compensate drivers for detention time and other similar non-driving work periods at a rate that is at least equal to the federal minimum wage. (Section 5507)", "contentHtml": "Thought you would get a kick out of this from the FMCSA: I guess we are only worth min. wage \r\n \r\nFair Pay for Long-Distance Truck & Bus Drivers: Many over-the-road truck and bus drivers are compensated by the mile or on a fixed-rate per load. As a result, they are not paid for extended periods of time spent on-the-clock when they are detained by waiting for shipments to be loaded or unloaded at shippers’ or receivers’ facilities. Similarly, over-the-road motorcoach drivers are often compensated in a manner other than an hourly wage. As a result, they often face pressure to drive beyond hours-of-service limitations as a matter of economic necessity, risking driver fatigue and jeopardizing highway safety in the process. The GROW AMERICA Act addresses these problems by providing the Secretary authority to issue regulations that would require motor carriers to compensate drivers for detention time and other similar non-driving work periods at a rate that is at least equal to the federal minimum wage. (Section 5507)", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2016-02-24T19:38:11Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 1, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35137, "content": "The thing about this is that it says motor carriers would have to compensate at minimum wage. It says nothing about shippers/receivers paying the motor carrier.", "contentHtml": "The thing about this is that it says motor carriers would have to compensate at minimum wage. It says nothing about shippers/receivers paying the motor carrier.", "parentReplyId": 35136, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2015-06-16", "dateAdded": "2016-02-24T20:21:54Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 59776, "firstName": "DUSTIN", "lastName": "MYERS", "companyName": "MYERS TRANSPORT LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fredericktown", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 16, "userLikes": 20, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35142, "content": "Exactly, so if that is forced upon me the carrier, then I have no choice but to pass it onto the shipper or broker. I don't have a problem with it, my operators make more than minimum wage as it is. Shippers are now asking us to up our Worker's Compensation for them. We have Occ/Acc and that more than covers us, I am thinking their legal department has realized that when a driver is out there unloading their product that technically he is working for them at that moment in time. Our operators just open the doors and turn on the vibrators, it the stuff does not drop out then that is not our problem, that is their product to get out of our trailer. Our operators are not qualified under OSHA standards to get into confined spaces nor will I allow them to get into the hopper with any product in there. If we have to start carrying work comp in addition that is ok. I will just add it into the calculator and charge for it. The more the customer ask for the more they have to pay, very simple equations. Most of us country boys have heard the expression why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. This is what is being used against all of us, why pay for something when nice guys are willing to work for free?\n", "contentHtml": "Exactly, so if that is forced upon me the carrier, then I have no choice but to pass it onto the shipper or broker. I don't have a problem with it, my operators make more than minimum wage as it is. Shippers are now asking us to up our Worker's Compensation for them. We have Occ/Acc and that more than covers us, I am thinking their legal department has realized that when a driver is out there unloading their product that technically he is working for them at that moment in time. Our operators just open the doors and turn on the vibrators, it the stuff does not drop out then that is not our problem, that is their product to get out of our trailer. Our operators are not qualified under OSHA standards to get into confined spaces nor will I allow them to get into the hopper with any product in there. If we have to start carrying work comp in addition that is ok. I will just add it into the calculator and charge for it. The more the customer ask for the more they have to pay, very simple equations. Most of us country boys have heard the expression why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. This is what is being used against all of us, why pay for something when nice guys are willing to work for free? ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2016-02-24T21:28:52Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 35143, "content": "Oh before everybody gets upset, just remember I have dry vans as well and our operators don't touch freight for under $300.00 (driver assist) $750.00 (tailgate) and $1000.00 (driver unload). For those prices we can hire Labor Ready to do it for us, or get a lumper service.\n", "contentHtml": "Oh before everybody gets upset, just remember I have dry vans as well and our operators don't touch freight for under $300.00 (driver assist) $750.00 (tailgate) and $1000.00 (driver unload). For those prices we can hire Labor Ready to do it for us, or get a lumper service. 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Posted on Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 7:23 AM CST in Union, MO

Truck demurrage

I was wondering what the mindset of owner operators with drivers on compensation for demurrage. I'm thinking 1 hour for loading and unloading, after 1 hour , 30.00 for driver cost, ( pay , taxes and so forth.) then after the second hour, 70.00 an hour for the truck and driver. Seems like everyone wants to give two hours. I have one broker who says 4 hours then they go back to two hours after the four, that to me doesn't make sense, that tells me that all trucks should be loaded by the forth hour, if not they go back to two, so why it doesn't start at two? Can you figure?

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