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", "thumbUrl": "", "dateAdded": "2013-06-29T02:17:32Z", "lastPost": "2013-06-29T02:17:32Z", "views": 2861, "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "messageCount": 14, "premiumOnly": 0, "isfeatured": 0, "showInDays": -100, "showDate": "", "forumLink": "", "youtubeVideoId": "", "approved": 1, "active": 1, "alias": "blind-leading-the-blind", "forumUrl": "https://www.bulkloads.com/forum/blind-leading-the-blind/", "userId": 649, "firstName": "DEBRA", "lastName": "MILLER", "companyName": "NOT IN BUSINESS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LAKE WALES", "state": "FL", "userCommentCount": 10, "userLikes": 12, "replies": [ { "replyId": 23541, "content": "\nIf someone asked me to do a blind bill what they are looking for is for me to pick up a load, do the normal paperwork, then do a separate bill of lading that doesn't let the receiver know who shipped the load or any shipping info. You would pick from ADM in IA, but then do a different BOL that shows picking the load up somewhere else usually describing the commodity broker and the receiver. The Receiver would never see the original document, therefore supposedly would not have the info to get the product on their own.\nClear as Mud???\n \nArt Pfluger", "contentHtml": "If someone asked me to do a blind bill what they are looking for is for me to pick up a load, do the normal paperwork, then do a separate bill of lading that doesn't let the receiver know who shipped the load or any shipping info. You would pick from ADM in IA, but then do a different BOL that shows picking the load up somewhere else usually describing the commodity broker and the receiver. The Receiver would never see the original document, therefore supposedly would not have the info to get the product on their own.Clear as Mud??? Art Pfluger", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-05", "dateAdded": "2013-06-29T06:18:11Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3266, "firstName": "ROSE", "lastName": "PFLUGER", "companyName": "ROAD WARRIORS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MORRISTOWN", "state": "AZ", "userCommentCount": 804, "userLikes": 10, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23542, "content": "\nYes. But why?\n ", "contentHtml": "Yes. But why? ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-10", "dateAdded": "2013-06-29T17:57:54Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 649, "firstName": "DEBRA", "lastName": "MILLER", "companyName": "NOT IN BUSINESS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LAKE WALES", "state": "FL", "userCommentCount": 10, "userLikes": 12, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23543, "content": "\nBecause the people getting the material would know where it come from and could purchase direct and leave the broker out of the loop thus saving money by not having to pay the brokers inflated price", "contentHtml": "Because the people getting the material would know where it come from and could purchase direct and leave the broker out of the loop thus saving money by not having to pay the brokers inflated price", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-06-21", "dateAdded": "2013-06-29T18:08:51Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 7832, "firstName": "DEAN", "lastName": "STEINEL", "companyName": "STEINEL ENTERPRISES", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "RANDOLPH", "state": "OH", "userCommentCount": 47, "userLikes": 13, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23544, "content": "\naaahhhh....makes me think....what happens if they ask you. I am so not into the lying game. Just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may I guess.", "contentHtml": "aaahhhh....makes me think....what happens if they ask you. I am so not into the lying game. Just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may I guess.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-10", "dateAdded": "2013-06-29T18:11:07Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 649, "firstName": "DEBRA", "lastName": "MILLER", "companyName": "NOT IN BUSINESS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LAKE WALES", "state": "FL", "userCommentCount": 10, "userLikes": 12, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23545, "content": "\naaahhhh....makes me think....what happens if they ask you. I am so not into the lying game. Just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may I guess.", "contentHtml": "aaahhhh....makes me think....what happens if they ask you. I am so not into the lying game. Just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may I guess.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-10", "dateAdded": "2013-06-29T18:11:15Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 649, "firstName": "DEBRA", "lastName": "MILLER", "companyName": "NOT IN BUSINESS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LAKE WALES", "state": "FL", "userCommentCount": 10, "userLikes": 12, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23546, "content": "\nI own some of the loads I haul. We worked for two years to put a deal together to haul for a customer. I told my driver to show on the BOL that the load came from our company with a generic location of Phoenix, Az. The driver delivers the first load and as they entered the info in the scale computer they asked the driver where the load came from. He promptly told them the name and location of where he loaded. Was the first and last load that we hauled. They hauled from my location with their own trucks ever since. So maybe you have this big moral thing about lying, but I assure you that if you mess a blind load you will most likely never haul for that person again. It is all part of the game.\nArt Pfluger", "contentHtml": "I own some of the loads I haul. We worked for two years to put a deal together to haul for a customer. I told my driver to show on the BOL that the load came from our company with a generic location of Phoenix, Az. The driver delivers the first load and as they entered the info in the scale computer they asked the driver where the load came from. He promptly told them the name and location of where he loaded. Was the first and last load that we hauled. They hauled from my location with their own trucks ever since. So maybe you have this big moral thing about lying, but I assure you that if you mess a blind load you will most likely never haul for that person again. It is all part of the game.Art Pfluger", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-05", "dateAdded": "2013-06-29T19:10:40Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3266, "firstName": "ROSE", "lastName": "PFLUGER", "companyName": "ROAD WARRIORS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MORRISTOWN", "state": "AZ", "userCommentCount": 804, "userLikes": 10, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 28581, "content": "\nFor sure if you mess up a blind load you won't see another shipment from that broker/customer.\nYou will probably never see that load anyways, so why not protect YOUR business, when you haul a blind load, it's YOUR money, so respecting secrecy is essential to this business.\nIt's not a lie, it's business security.", "contentHtml": "For sure if you mess up a blind load you won't see another shipment from that broker/customer.You will probably never see that load anyways, so why not protect YOUR business, when you haul a blind load, it's YOUR money, so respecting secrecy is essential to this business.It's not a lie, it's business security.", "parentReplyId": 23546, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-07-23", "dateAdded": "2013-07-01T16:53:08Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 8060, "firstName": "DAVID", "lastName": "STEPANYUK", "companyName": "COLUMBIA CARGO", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PORTLAND", "state": "OR", "userCommentCount": 18, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23547, "content": "\ngo ahead & tell the truth. a broker has no reason to tell u the truth on what a load actually pays or anything. i'm not bashing any particular broker but u gotta remember it's all part of doing business. if u can't protect urself & ur business then u don't need to be in business. it's plain & simple, no big company today or broker got to where they are by telling the truth or being up front & honest. it's the old saying of playing the game & who's got a better strategy & negotiation skills to win.", "contentHtml": "go ahead & tell the truth. a broker has no reason to tell u the truth on what a load actually pays or anything. i'm not bashing any particular broker but u gotta remember it's all part of doing business. if u can't protect urself & ur business then u don't need to be in business. it's plain & simple, no big company today or broker got to where they are by telling the truth or being up front & honest. it's the old saying of playing the game & who's got a better strategy & negotiation skills to win.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-24", "dateAdded": "2013-07-01T18:04:26Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 7033, "firstName": "BRAD", "lastName": "DESHAUTELLE", "companyName": "CIRCLE BKD, INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "FERRIDAY", "state": "LA", "userCommentCount": 20, "userLikes": 63, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23548, "content": "\nto be asking about blind bol & hauling bulk, is ok but if u can't do what u need to do to survive then there's something wrong. if u think that's lying then i can hook u up with a broker that will really take care of u if u not into lying. he's honest & his rates are better than the norm but u there's a reason why they are & why he's still in business", "contentHtml": "to be asking about blind bol & hauling bulk, is ok but if u can't do what u need to do to survive then there's something wrong. if u think that's lying then i can hook u up with a broker that will really take care of u if u not into lying. he's honest & his rates are better than the norm but u there's a reason why they are & why he's still in business", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-12-18", "dateAdded": "2013-07-02T06:59:39Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 9481, "firstName": "BRIAN ", "lastName": "SMITH", "companyName": "LADY K ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "VIDALIA", "state": "LA", "userCommentCount": 2, "userLikes": 7, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23549, "content": "\nAll I know is that whoever I get my blind shipment loads gives me those loads. Where they not there, were the shipper work directly with consignee, then I know I wouldn't have these shipments. I am almost 100% sure that I would not have those shipments, were there not the \"blind man\" in the middle. So I am grateful for the \"Blind\" Men.\nI can almost guarantee you that if you mess up a blind-shipment load, you will probably never see that business again.", "contentHtml": "All I know is that whoever I get my blind shipment loads gives me those loads. Where they not there, were the shipper work directly with consignee, then I know I wouldn't have these shipments. I am almost 100% sure that I would not have those shipments, were there not the "blind man" in the middle. So I am grateful for the "Blind" Men.I can almost guarantee you that if you mess up a blind-shipment load, you will probably never see that business again.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-07-23", "dateAdded": "2013-07-02T17:46:46Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 8060, "firstName": "DAVID", "lastName": "STEPANYUK", "companyName": "COLUMBIA CARGO", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PORTLAND", "state": "OR", "userCommentCount": 18, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 28580, "content": "\nI have hauled so many of these and I play the game. I meant why don't the owners, shippers, etc tell the truth. It can out wrong. I didn't understand the reason for it but once Art explained it made sense. Thanks for the input guys.", "contentHtml": "I have hauled so many of these and I play the game. I meant why don't the owners, shippers, etc tell the truth. It can out wrong. I didn't understand the reason for it but once Art explained it made sense. Thanks for the input guys.", "parentReplyId": 23544, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-10", "dateAdded": "2013-07-02T22:10:20Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 649, "firstName": "DEBRA", "lastName": "MILLER", "companyName": "NOT IN BUSINESS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LAKE WALES", "state": "FL", "userCommentCount": 10, "userLikes": 12, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23550, "content": "\nWe need not forget that Logistics was originall a military term. The Oxford English Dictionary defines logistics as \"the branch of military science relating to procuring, maintaining and transporting material, personnel and facilities.\"\nHonestly, I don't question my customer why his shipments are blind, I just make sure it's run that way. Some customers shipments are ALL blind, and hard to get into with them because if they get burned by an uncareful driver, it may shut down their operations or hinder them.\nLying is when you guys tell me your truck is in Phoenix, but he's still in Amarillo, that's lying.\nCertain things or events in this world are blind. Obviously whoever started the post \"Blind Leading the Blind...\" is out of the Bible, and i'm no preacher nor am i preaching, the same guy who said those words said in another instance that \"he was blind for the glory of God\"\nso... if your conscience does not allow to do a blind load, then don't to it. But if you commit to it, then you have to follow through with it. If you give your word, keep it. Or don't give it.", "contentHtml": "We need not forget that Logistics was originall a military term. The Oxford English Dictionary defines logistics as "the branch of military science relating to procuring, maintaining and transporting material, personnel and facilities."Honestly, I don't question my customer why his shipments are blind, I just make sure it's run that way. Some customers shipments are ALL blind, and hard to get into with them because if they get burned by an uncareful driver, it may shut down their operations or hinder them.Lying is when you guys tell me your truck is in Phoenix, but he's still in Amarillo, that's lying.Certain things or events in this world are blind. Obviously whoever started the post "Blind Leading the Blind..." is out of the Bible, and i'm no preacher nor am i preaching, the same guy who said those words said in another instance that "he was blind for the glory of God"so... if your conscience does not allow to do a blind load, then don't to it. But if you commit to it, then you have to follow through with it. If you give your word, keep it. Or don't give it.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-07-23", "dateAdded": "2013-07-04T17:59:20Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 8060, "firstName": "DAVID", "lastName": "STEPANYUK", "companyName": "COLUMBIA CARGO", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PORTLAND", "state": "OR", "userCommentCount": 18, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 23551, "content": "\nYou do not have to lie. If the paperwork says Joplin I tell them that according to the paper work it goes to Joplin.\nIf they persist just say its a blind load and I can't give out that information.", "contentHtml": "You do not have to lie. If the paperwork says Joplin I tell them that according to the paper work it goes to Joplin.If they persist just say its a blind load and I can't give out that information.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-10-11", "dateAdded": "2013-07-05T20:03:09Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2809, "firstName": "GARY ", "lastName": "MORRIS", "companyName": "MORRIS TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "GATEWOOD", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 57, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 } ], "userDislikes": 0, "signUpDate": "2010-03-10", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0, "iSubscribe": 0 }

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