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Oct 12, 2022 at 09:37 AM CST
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Tell me all the good and bad about hauling tankers. Need to park the hoppers until rates get better. We are a small company. 2-3 trucks. I am trying to do research but not having much luck.

I would like to know what rate/mile should be hauled in the kansas/oklahoma area? Extra licences? Load boards/brokers? Is it worth switching?

Something has to give in the hopper industry.

Replied on Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 02:48 PM CST
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Right now the spot market for tanker loads have been very slow for last two months

Replied on Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 09:47 AM CST
Quote: "Right now the spot market for tanker loads have been very slow for last two months "

How do you get on the spot market
Replied on Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 11:14 AM CST
Quote: "How do you get on the spot market"

Just fill out carrier packets for different brokers

Replied on Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 07:17 AM CST
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It's a big jump from Hopper to tank. Have you looked for a trailer? They are hard to come by right now. A new tank is about $110,000, with a mid next year delivery. You need to be real careful with used tanks. Even though the fed Regs don't require it, many shippers require a current coded tank before they will load it. My pump, compressor, hoses and fittings were over $10,000.00 You need the tanker endorsement on your CDL, your cargo insurance needs to be at least $125,000. And you need to let you insurance company know you are gonna be hauling bulk liquid. It may raise your liability cost as well. The people I haul for require 1 million liability, 1 million property damage, and a 1 million General Liability umbrella. That is for non hazardous only. Like previously said, it's slow right now if you don't already have work. If you have never pulled a tank, it is a whole different animal, and the sloshing liquid can be hard on your equipment.

Replied on Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 10:02 AM CST
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It's not a cheap switch. Getting a decent tank right now is also an issue, be prepared to spend. Setting up your trucks to haul them is another large expense. Keep in mind there are also previous product restrictions on loads so you have to be careful with the loads you take. Overall it's not an easy transition
Replied on Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 12:12 PM CST
I've got a question on the tankers what type of insurance do you have to have to pull a none has hazmat load
Replied on Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 12:12 PM CST
Does anyone keep a running tally of product hauled and dated (washed) in your truck in the event that someone asks about what that trailer has shipped. Also would they require a specific location to do washouts (some are much better than others)?
Replied on Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 05:13 PM CST
Quote: "Does anyone keep a running tally of product hauled and dated (washed) in your truck in the event that someone asks about what that trailer has shipped. Also would they require a specific location to do washouts (some are much better than others)?"

The load you are going to get may require your previous bill of lading and a washout ticket. That is how they check. They don't care what you hauled 4 loads back.

Replied on Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 05:13 PM CST
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Quote: "I've got a question on the tankers what type of insurance do you have to have to pull a none has hazmat load"

You just need the specific amount of cargo your shipper requires. I've found $125,00 covers most of it. Your insurance company will ask what you are intending to haul, and if you have no experience it may affect your rate.

Replied on Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 07:57 PM CST
I have a whole lot of experience but I was wondering about having to have enviromnmental type insurance
Replied on Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 01:28 PM CST
Quote: "I have a whole lot of experience but I was wondering about having to have enviromnmental type insurance"

Charlie,

We get this question a lot. When hauling a tanker we always recommend having pollution liability added to the policy.

If you're tanker overturns and the product discharges onto the landscape, pollution liability covers any property damage or bodiliy injury that arises out of the discharge. This coverage also extends to any "suit" that arises out of the discharge (if you're sued by a city, state or individual because of the discharge).

We have a specific tanker insurance program that includes the pollution liability that we've had a ton of success implementing for our tanker clients.

Feel free to reach out to me directly to discuss further.

Larry Hurt - CEO Bulk Insurance Group

[email protected]

417-590-8111

Replied on Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 10:49 AM CST
First you need to decide what type of product you’re hauling. Food grade or chemicals. You can’t exactly do both with the same tanker. Then you need to figure out if you want single compartment or multi. Single is much more common. Then are you doing rear discharge or center or both. Rear is most common. Then will you need Air offload or Pump and hoses? Are you going to lease on with a broker or go completely independent? If independent you’ll need all the proper insurance. I have 1 million 2 million combined single limit plus a 5 million umbrella plus workers comp and pollution insurance and trailer interchange and cargo insurance. It’s about 35,000$ a year. Also need a Hazmat endorsement, Tanker, and most likely a TWIC card. I find most brokers offer a flat rate by the load. Most are negotiable. There can be a lot of dead head miles and down time between driving from delivery locations to washout locations then reload locations. There can be long wait periods where you’re picking up and delivering and trying to get washed. You’ll have to get compensated for all that when possible. It takes time to find the right broker to work for and the right lanes. And it takes time to figure out what you like to haul. And if you’re pulling a single compartment 7000 gallons with no baffles and only have 4500 gallons on be prepared for that Surge and Bang! I have a good guy I work with, he pays me two days after the delivery. I do 2 loads a week and it’s paying 10 a week. $5000 per load. I do 500 mile run loaded, then dead head back to reload then do it again and I don’t have to bother with any washouts cuz it’s the same product. Hope some of this info helps. Good Luck
Replied on Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 06:24 PM CST
I’m not sure, but it looks like jumping from hopper to tank might not be the best choice right now. If you are considering the move based on the loads you see posted here on Bulkloads, think twice, and theee times. The rates these are trying to get moved for after your setup cost will probably be worse than hopper rates.
Replied on Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:41 AM CST
Quote: "First you need to decide what type of product you’re hauling. Food grade or chemicals. You can’t exactly do both with the same tanker. Then you need to figure out if you want single compartment or multi. Single is much more common. Then are you doing rear discharge or center or both. Rear is most common. Then will you need Air offload or Pump and hoses? Are you going to lease on with a broker or go completely independent? If independent you’ll need all the proper insurance. I have 1 million 2 million combined single limit plus a 5 million umbrella plus workers comp and pollution insurance and trailer interchange and cargo insurance. It’s about 35,000$ a year. Also need a Hazmat endorsement, Tanker, and most likely a TWIC card. I find most brokers offer a flat rate by the load. Most are negotiable. There can be a lot of dead head miles and down time between driving from delivery locations to washout locations then reload locations. There can be long wait periods where you’re picking up and delivering and trying to get washed. You’ll have to get compensated for all that when possible. It takes time to find the right broker to work for and the right lanes. And it takes time to figure out what you like to haul. And if you’re pulling a single compartment 7000 gallons with no baffles and only have 4500 gallons on be prepared for that Surge and Bang! I have a good guy I work with, he pays me two days after the delivery. I do 2 loads a week and it’s paying 10 a week. $5000 per load. I do 500 mile run loaded, then dead head back to reload then do it again and I don’t have to bother with any washouts cuz it’s the same product. Hope some of this info helps. Good Luck"

Would you suggest food grade or chemicals? One of my drivers has a hazmat license. He used to haul fuel. What are the ups and downs of both?

Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 06:28 AM CST
Quote: "It's a big jump from Hopper to tank. Have you looked for a trailer? They are hard to come by right now. A new tank is about $110,000, with a mid next year delivery. You need to be real careful with used tanks. Even though the fed Regs don't require it, many shippers require a current coded tank before they will load it. My pump, compressor, hoses and fittings were over $10,000.00 You need the tanker endorsement on your CDL, your cargo insurance needs to be at least $125,000. And you need to let you insurance company know you are gonna be hauling bulk liquid. It may raise your liability cost as well. The people I haul for require 1 million liability, 1 million property damage, and a 1 million General Liability umbrella. That is for non hazardous only. Like previously said, it's slow right now if you don't already have work. If you have never pulled a tank, it is a whole different animal, and the sloshing liquid can be hard on your equipment."

I have 5 tanks. I make sure they are all coded. But my tanks are 20-35 years old
Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 06:28 AM CST

Courtney I have lots of dedicated, local, tanker work in multiple areas across the country. I would be happy to visit with you about some of our opportunities. I'm not a broker. We buy the product and have to provide the freight. We haul approx 220 loads a day across the country and Canada.

Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 06:29 AM CST
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I strongly urge againts it. I swqpped to tanks just over a month ago. 2 trucks, leased 2 new tanks at 2400 a month each. (New tanks are $115k. Ive hauled 1 load of chemical and my other driver hauled 1 load of chem and 2 loads of animal fat. If you think brokers are bad with general and dry bulk freight you aint seen nothing yet. Post loads that dont exist, have dedicated work that ends 15 minutes after you DH 800 miles to work the job. Endless bid requests for work that never seems to happen, carriers willing to haul bulk flamable liquids for 2 bucks a mile. My hopper is making more hauling sand than my 100k$ tanks. I bid a local job the other day for feed grade vegie oil. Best i could tell was the current carriers were bid at under 100$/hr of time on each load. Too many people in trucking doing it for free.
Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 06:29 AM CST
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I might add that i had multiple haul sources saying they could keep me busy with prty good rates, once i found a cpl tanks neither of them had any work. I suspect the same thing happened to tanking that happened to reefer and flatbed over the years. Idiots get involved and bid everything dirt cheap. I hear the phrase "yeah its cheap freight, but at least im working" far too often.
Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 06:30 AM CST
Quote: "First you need to decide what type of product you’re hauling. Food grade or chemicals. You can’t exactly do both with the same tanker. Then you need to figure out if you want single compartment or multi. Single is much more common. Then are you doing rear discharge or center or both. Rear is most common. Then will you need Air offload or Pump and hoses? Are you going to lease on with a broker or go completely independent? If independent you’ll need all the proper insurance. I have 1 million 2 million combined single limit plus a 5 million umbrella plus workers comp and pollution insurance and trailer interchange and cargo insurance. It’s about 35,000$ a year. Also need a Hazmat endorsement, Tanker, and most likely a TWIC card. I find most brokers offer a flat rate by the load. Most are negotiable. There can be a lot of dead head miles and down time between driving from delivery locations to washout locations then reload locations. There can be long wait periods where you’re picking up and delivering and trying to get washed. You’ll have to get compensated for all that when possible. It takes time to find the right broker to work for and the right lanes. And it takes time to figure out what you like to haul. And if you’re pulling a single compartment 7000 gallons with no baffles and only have 4500 gallons on be prepared for that Surge and Bang! I have a good guy I work with, he pays me two days after the delivery. I do 2 loads a week and it’s paying 10 a week. $5000 per load. I do 500 mile run loaded, then dead head back to reload then do it again and I don’t have to bother with any washouts cuz it’s the same product. Hope some of this info helps. Good Luck"

Who are you insured with

Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 08:39 AM CST
Quote: "First you need to decide what type of product you’re hauling. Food grade or chemicals. You can’t exactly do both with the same tanker. Then you need to figure out if you want single compartment or multi. Single is much more common. Then are you doing rear discharge or center or both. Rear is most common. Then will you need Air offload or Pump and hoses? Are you going to lease on with a broker or go completely independent? If independent you’ll need all the proper insurance. I have 1 million 2 million combined single limit plus a 5 million umbrella plus workers comp and pollution insurance and trailer interchange and cargo insurance. It’s about 35,000$ a year. Also need a Hazmat endorsement, Tanker, and most likely a TWIC card. I find most brokers offer a flat rate by the load. Most are negotiable. There can be a lot of dead head miles and down time between driving from delivery locations to washout locations then reload locations. There can be long wait periods where you’re picking up and delivering and trying to get washed. You’ll have to get compensated for all that when possible. It takes time to find the right broker to work for and the right lanes. And it takes time to figure out what you like to haul. And if you’re pulling a single compartment 7000 gallons with no baffles and only have 4500 gallons on be prepared for that Surge and Bang! I have a good guy I work with, he pays me two days after the delivery. I do 2 loads a week and it’s paying 10 a week. $5000 per load. I do 500 mile run loaded, then dead head back to reload then do it again and I don’t have to bother with any washouts cuz it’s the same product. Hope some of this info helps. Good Luck"

Im in indy looking for the same..... seems to be THE best option shoot me an email

[email protected]

Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 08:39 AM CST
Quote: "I might add that i had multiple haul sources saying they could keep me busy with prty good rates, once i found a cpl tanks neither of them had any work. I suspect the same thing happened to tanking that happened to reefer and flatbed over the years. Idiots get involved and bid everything dirt cheap. I hear the phrase "yeah its cheap freight, but at least im working" far too often."

@Shane

one of the worst quotes in trucking history lol "yeah its cheap freight, but at least im working"

Question-do you really think that hoppers are making more overall than tankers?

Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 01:30 PM CST
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Quote: "Would you suggest food grade or chemicals? One of my drivers has a hazmat license. He used to haul fuel. What are the ups and downs of both? "

Food grade products or chemical products? You’re going to need to do some research and make a lot of phone calls to decide. It’s something like this; First I’d say see what companies are close to where your business and trucks are located. The main company I haul for is 15 mins away from where I park. That really works out well for me. Are the manufacturing companies that are close to you Food manufacturing companies or Chemical? Are they big companies that produce a lot of products that have enough work that they will hire you? Basically this main factor would help me decide what I want to haul. Example goes like this; You park your trucks 30-45 mins away from a huge distributor that’s always shipping out loads all over the map. At some point you’ll find the right lane with something consistent where you’ll be able to off load, washout, then reload and work your way back home and keep doing it over and over. You’ll be able to get good rates on both food and chemicals so I think finding a big manufacturer that’s close to my shop would help me decide on which one I choose. Once your out there on the road you’ll be able to find reloads. There’s plenty of work for both types. Obviously food grade is Non Hazardous so that plays a big roll too. But before you go out and buy a tanker not knowing anything make some phone calls and do research ask questions find out what shit pays and how consistent is it and where are you delivering to are there places close by to washout and reload. You don’t want to be driving around deadhead 1000 miles. Find the right broker that is experienced and competent that can put a run together that pays well and is consistent work. And find out ahead of time if they require a pump on your truck and hoses and fittings and air pressure. Same with chemical products. You might be better off leasing on to a company that already has a bunch of tankers. Then you can try chemical hauling and food grade and decide what you like better. I personally don’t like leasing on. I stay completely independent. If you don’t have your own authority (MC) numbers then you will have to lease on. I could go on for days about this. Trucking is a hard business to be in! Stay safe out there driver. Good luck.
Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 01:31 PM CST
Quote: "@Shane one of the worst quotes in trucking history lol "yeah its cheap freight, but at least im working" Question-do you really think that hoppers are making more overall than tankers? "

I dunno. Its all crap tbh. I guess at least for the most part tank brokers are paying round trips, its just a cheap round trip and certainly doesnt pay enough for what a new tank costs.
Replied on Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 08:56 PM CST

Courtney

Plz give me a call at 580-490-2662. I am leased on with a tanker and with plenty of work in Ks. Okla. Tx. Ne.

Replied on Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:42 AM CST
Quote: "Courtney I have lots of dedicated, local, tanker work in multiple areas across the country. I would be happy to visit with you about some of our opportunities. I'm not a broker. We buy the product and have to provide the freight. We haul approx 220 loads a day across the country and Canada. "

Do you have work in Texas

Replied on Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 09:58 AM CST
Quote: "Just fill out carrier packets for different brokers"

Any list of brokers to recommend?

Replied on Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 01:01 PM CST
Quote: "Courtney I have lots of dedicated, local, tanker work in multiple areas across the country. I would be happy to visit with you about some of our opportunities. I'm not a broker. We buy the product and have to provide the freight. We haul approx 220 loads a day across the country and Canada. "

Where do we start with you?!?
Replied on Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 05:06 PM CST

I’m in the chicago land area. I’m working on getting my 5 million umbrella for hazmat chemicals. But I currently can haul any non haz products. I am equipped with a pump and a air compressor. Please let me know if you’re able to work with me. Thanks have a great day

Replied on Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 10:53 AM CST
Quote: "Courtney I have lots of dedicated, local, tanker work in multiple areas across the country. I would be happy to visit with you about some of our opportunities. I'm not a broker. We buy the product and have to provide the freight. We haul approx 220 loads a day across the country and Canada. "

I'm in Texas looking for loads

Replied on Wed, Nov 02, 2022 at 01:20 PM CST
Quote: "Courtney I have lots of dedicated, local, tanker work in multiple areas across the country. I would be happy to visit with you about some of our opportunities. I'm not a broker. We buy the product and have to provide the freight. We haul approx 220 loads a day across the country and Canada. "

Please contact me at [email protected]. MC# 1293347

Replied on Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 08:00 AM CST

If you ever in NJ are please let me know.

We are a shipper with loads, not a broker.

*brokers do not contact me please

Thanks.

Replied on Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 08:27 AM CST
Quote: "Any list of brokers to recommend?"

Contact [email protected] he is a pretty amazing and hard-working broker. MC#1135812

Replied on Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 01:44 PM CST
Quote: "If you ever in NJ are please let me know. We are a shipper with loads, not a broker. *brokers do not contact me please Thanks."

I have trucks in the area, sometimes. I'm interested.

Replied on Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 03:52 PM CST

For anyone looking for a tanker load out of NC, there is a doozie waiting in North August it's Hazmat, for a whopping, $2.12 per loaded mile... You have got to be kidding me? As your rich Uncle Joe would say, "COME ON MAN". That's ridiculous.. I gues that's what you get with a 1 star rating..😎

Replied on Fri, Nov 04, 2022 at 07:07 AM CST
Quote: "If you ever in NJ are please let me know. We are a shipper with loads, not a broker. *brokers do not contact me please Thanks."

How do I get a hold of you? Send me an email please. [email protected] Thanks.
Replied on Sat, Nov 05, 2022 at 09:03 AM CST
Quote: "I've got a question on the tankers what type of insurance do you have to have to pull a none has hazmat load"

Most Brokers want you to have 1 - 5 million dollars of coverage depending on what your hauling and the average used tank is going for about $50k and up you’re going to need a pump, compressor, hoses & fittings because some of the customers require that.
Replied on Tue, Nov 08, 2022 at 04:50 PM CST
Quote: "Courtney I have lots of dedicated, local, tanker work in multiple areas across the country. I would be happy to visit with you about some of our opportunities. I'm not a broker. We buy the product and have to provide the freight. We haul approx 220 loads a day across the country and Canada. "

I would be happy to talk to you I have 4 trucks 3 7000 gal single and 1 7000 gal 4 compartment lube oil chem and haz

Eric 405 639 9979 MC 1041164 It would be best to text before you call I get alot of spam. Thanks

Replied on Wed, Nov 09, 2022 at 09:36 AM CST
Slow
Replied on Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 07:43 AM CST

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Replied on Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 07:44 AM CST
Quote: "Courtney I have lots of dedicated, local, tanker work in multiple areas across the country. I would be happy to visit with you about some of our opportunities. I'm not a broker. We buy the product and have to provide the freight. We haul approx 220 loads a day across the country and Canada. "

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Replied on Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 07:44 AM CST
Quote: "Who are you insured with "

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Replied on Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 07:44 AM CST
Quote: "If you ever in NJ are please let me know. We are a shipper with loads, not a broker. *brokers do not contact me please Thanks."

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