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{ "forumId": 23123, "postTypeId": 1, "postType": "Forum", "forumTitle": "ELIMINATING BROKERS AND AGENTS (WILDCATTIN) GOOD OR BAD?", "forumContent": "Just trying to get an idea from some of you guys that get your own freight.Is it a pain in the ARSE?Or it could be 23,000 extra greenbacks in my pocket at the end of the year.Any suggestions or advice would be great.Thanks", "forumContentHtml": "Just trying to get an idea from some of you guys that get your own freight.Is it a pain in the ARSE?Or it could be 23,000 extra greenbacks in my pocket at the end of the year.Any suggestions or advice would be great.Thanks", "thumbUrl": "", "dateAdded": "2011-06-13T03:23:00Z", "lastPost": "2011-06-13T03:23:00Z", "views": 2218, "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "messageCount": 13, "premiumOnly": 0, "isfeatured": 0, "showInDays": -100, "showDate": "", "forumLink": "", "youtubeVideoId": "", "approved": 1, "active": 1, "alias": "eliminating-brokers-and-agents-wildcattin-good-or-bad", "forumUrl": "https://www.bulkloads.com/forum/eliminating-brokers-and-agents-wildcattin-good-or-bad/", "userId": 930, "firstName": "CINDY", "lastName": "WILHELM", "companyName": "CW TRANSPORT", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LA CROSSE", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 1, "userLikes": 0, "replies": [ { "replyId": 21280, "content": "It is more of a challenge when you are a single truck carrier in the van/reefer/flatbed area. It has been easy getting direct business for my hopper. But the rates dont match what I can do with my van. But that is timing. I am getting more calls to see if my hopper is available. The one I have to use now is not OTR ready but should have the new one in a couple of weeks at the latest.\n", "contentHtml": "It is more of a challenge when you are a single truck carrier in the van/reefer/flatbed area. It has been easy getting direct business for my hopper. But the rates don’t match what I can do with my van. But that is timing. I am getting more calls to see if my hopper is available. The one I have to use now is not OTR ready but should have the new one in a couple of weeks at the latest. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-06-12", "dateAdded": "2011-06-13T03:30:33Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 4700, "firstName": "WILLIAM", "lastName": "HOOD", "companyName": "COVENANT TRANSPORT-SOLUTIONS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "GIBSON CITY", "state": "IL", "userCommentCount": 18, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 28153, "content": "So if your getting good rates on the van side why are you getting a hopper?", "contentHtml": "So if your getting good rates on the van side why are you getting a hopper?", "parentReplyId": 21280, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-03", "dateAdded": "2011-06-13T14:29:24Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 242, "firstName": "DALE", "lastName": "SCHUT", "companyName": "SCHUT FARMS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "CHESTER", "state": "SD", "userCommentCount": 170, "userLikes": 2, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 28950, "content": "because that grass is always greener on the other side..... right??? hahahaha", "contentHtml": "because that grass is always greener on the other side..... right??? hahahaha", "parentReplyId": 28153, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-05-03", "dateAdded": "2011-06-13T20:15:14Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 4452, "firstName": "DARYL", "lastName": "GERBER", "companyName": "GERBER AG SERVICES", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MERCER", "state": "PA", "userCommentCount": 49, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29141, "content": "\n Until you climb throuth the barb wire fence..And find it was better on the other side...Then when you climb back throught that fence you find it is razor wire.....Then is it so green after all?\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nUntil you climb throuth the barb wire fence..And find it was better on the other side...Then when you climb back throught that fence you find it is razor wire.....Then is it so green after all? ", "parentReplyId": 28950, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-12", "dateAdded": "2011-06-13T21:25:01Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3078, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "PEARSON", "companyName": "C & R TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PAYSON", "state": "UT", "userCommentCount": 927, "userLikes": 225, "userDislikes": 94, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 28951, "content": "Ok, this is a ha for all the responses.\n \n I worked for a farmer for years after being OTR. We needed a second truck during harvest so we worked a deal that would allow me to go back on the road, make 3x money he could pay me and he would buy a hopper for me to pull for him for three weeks during harvest.\n \n For me, being a single truck O/O is about diversification. Van rates for the areas I like to pull are a little soft right now. But I have 30,000 bushels from the fields next week that will pay me $3+/mile on all miles at 930 bushels a load. As that slows, van rates may be up. And I know it will earn during harvest.\n \n And by the end of harvest I should have my flatbed. So between the three, the 46-weeks a year I work I should be able to hit best rates on most of them.\n", "contentHtml": "Ok, this is a “ha” for all the responses. \r\n \r\nI worked for a farmer for years after being OTR. We needed a second truck during harvest so we worked a deal that would allow me to go back on the road, make 3x money he could pay me and he would buy a hopper for me to pull for him for three weeks during harvest. \r\n \r\nFor me, being a single truck O/O is about diversification. Van rates for the areas I like to pull are a little soft right now. But I have 30,000 bushels from the fields next week that will pay me $3+/mile on all miles at 930 bushels a load. As that slows, van rates may be up. And I know it will earn during harvest. \r\n \r\nAnd by the end of harvest I should have my flatbed. So between the three, the 46-weeks a year I work I should be able to hit best rates on most of them. ", "parentReplyId": 28153, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-06-12", "dateAdded": "2011-06-15T01:52:16Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 4700, "firstName": "WILLIAM", "lastName": "HOOD", "companyName": "COVENANT TRANSPORT-SOLUTIONS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "GIBSON CITY", "state": "IL", "userCommentCount": 18, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29142, "content": "That's a very nice arrangement, I assume you gross around a $800 a day.", "contentHtml": "That's a very nice arrangement, I assume you gross around a $800 a day.", "parentReplyId": 28951, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-03", "dateAdded": "2011-06-15T16:09:11Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 242, "firstName": "DALE", "lastName": "SCHUT", "companyName": "SCHUT FARMS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "CHESTER", "state": "SD", "userCommentCount": 170, "userLikes": 2, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29143, "content": "\n And what are the best rates? If you go by these truck dealers they are getting more and more inventory from trucking companies that thought that they are getting good rates...Just to give you an example...Fuel should be 25% of your gross..Then you have a good rate...Your wages also need to be 25% of the rate..You may be lucky to have a short time haul that pays well....But what are you going to get for the rest of the year... It would be great that somebody has good rates...But most of us aren't going to hold our breath ...\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nAnd what are the best rates? If you go by these truck dealers they are getting more and more inventory from trucking companies that thought that they are getting good rates...Just to give you an example...Fuel should be 25% of your gross..Then you have a good rate...Your wages also need to be 25% of the rate..You may be lucky to have a short time haul that pays well....But what are you going to get for the rest of the year... It would be great that somebody has good rates...But most of us aren't going to hold our breath ... ", "parentReplyId": 28951, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-12", "dateAdded": "2011-06-15T18:39:48Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3078, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "PEARSON", "companyName": "C & R TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PAYSON", "state": "UT", "userCommentCount": 927, "userLikes": 225, "userDislikes": 94, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 21281, "content": "I have a real issue with $3 per mile @ harvest and really hate to see a guy get $300 a day for a 20 hour day sitting in line.", "contentHtml": "I have a real issue with $3 per mile @ harvest and really hate to see a guy get $300 a day for a 20 hour day sitting in line.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-03", "dateAdded": "2011-06-15T20:47:48Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 242, "firstName": "DALE", "lastName": "SCHUT", "companyName": "SCHUT FARMS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "CHESTER", "state": "SD", "userCommentCount": 170, "userLikes": 2, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 21282, "content": "Thanks Dale for telling it like it is.......that's whats wrong with the hopper business today......too many large car, chicken light\n super truckers that think $300-$600 a day is the way it is supposed to be!!!!", "contentHtml": "Thanks Dale for telling it like it is.......that's whats wrong with the hopper business today......too many large car, chicken light \r\nsuper truckers that think $300-$600 a day is the way it is supposed to be!!!!", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-01-13", "dateAdded": "2011-06-15T21:17:32Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3624, "firstName": "HC ", "lastName": "BROWN", "companyName": "HCBROWNLLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LONGVIEW", "state": "TX", "userCommentCount": 13, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29254, "content": "I gross between $650 and $1,000 per day. It has been getting harder to do that in the past month with a van but I have been able to keep my net steady. And that is what really matters. Lighter and shorter loads that pay well. I will say today was a mistake. Hauled for ADM. I cant believe guys will do that all day, every day for what they pay. Will do it again tomorrow because I said I would and honor my commitments but will be the last day unless rates come up.\n", "contentHtml": "I gross between $650 and $1,000 per day. It has been getting harder to do that in the past month with a van but I have been able to keep my net steady. And that is what really matters. Lighter and shorter loads that pay well. I will say today was a mistake. Hauled for ADM. I can’t believe guys will do that all day, every day for what they pay. Will do it again tomorrow because I said I would and honor my commitments but will be the last day unless rates come up. ", "parentReplyId": 29142, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-06-12", "dateAdded": "2011-06-15T23:17:25Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 4700, "firstName": "WILLIAM", "lastName": "HOOD", "companyName": "COVENANT TRANSPORT-SOLUTIONS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "GIBSON CITY", "state": "IL", "userCommentCount": 18, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29255, "content": "I can tell you one reason some of these drivers go out of business. They use percentages to figure rates. Problem with that is when fuel goes down you are making less money. Or when it goes up you may be pricing yourself out of the market. I know what my expenses are per mile and as fuel increases, so do my rates. I will and have sat because I could not get my rate. I know guys that think they hit the lottery if they get a rate above $1.50/mile. And then you have these fools that lease onto a carrier at less than that. Sorry, willing to work hard but not going to do 3,000 miles a week for 52-weeks a year and make less than $60k.\n Trucking is not that hard of a business to make a good living at if you run it as a business first and a driving job second. Many O/Os are drivers that bought a truck. They may not fail at it but they will be stuck in the more miles for more money cycle.\n Yes, I have a short time haul that pays well. And the next week after that I will have hauls that pay well. And so on. Why? Because I will not do it if it doesnt pay well. Once you accept something cheap from a broker they will call your bluff when you quote a higher rate. Plenty of people I work with tell me upfront that I will not take a load for what they can pay. \n If after next week this trailer sits till harvest that is fine with me. I needed a trailer for harvest. Price was right. But Im not going to base my living on hopper work. That is a great way to go out of business.\n", "contentHtml": "I can tell you one reason some of these “drivers” go out of business. They use percentages to figure rates. Problem with that is when fuel goes down you are making less money. Or when it goes up you may be pricing yourself out of the market. I know what my expenses are per mile and as fuel increases, so do my rates. I will and have sat because I could not get my rate. I know guys that think they hit the lottery if they get a rate above $1.50/mile. And then you have these fools that lease onto a carrier at less than that. Sorry, willing to work hard but not going to do 3,000 miles a week for 52-weeks a year and make less than $60k. \r\nTrucking is not that hard of a business to make a good living at if you run it as a business first and a driving job second. Many O/O’s are drivers that bought a truck. They may not fail at it but they will be stuck in the “more miles for more money” cycle. \r\nYes, I have a short time haul that pays well. And the next week after that I will have hauls that pay well. And so on. Why? Because I will not do it if it doesn’t pay well. Once you accept something cheap from a broker they will call your bluff when you quote a higher rate. Plenty of people I work with tell me upfront that I will not take a load for what they can pay. \r\nIf after next week this trailer sits till harvest that is fine with me. I needed a trailer for harvest. Price was right. But I’m not going to base my living on hopper work. That is a great way to go out of business. ", "parentReplyId": 29143, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-06-12", "dateAdded": "2011-06-15T23:40:18Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 4700, "firstName": "WILLIAM", "lastName": "HOOD", "companyName": "COVENANT TRANSPORT-SOLUTIONS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "GIBSON CITY", "state": "IL", "userCommentCount": 18, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 28154, "content": "Wow, must be different in your neck of the woods. $600/day last year was a bad day. I wasnt O/O then but saw plenty of settlements from last year and $5-$6/mile was the bottom end. When I plugged in the rates from one elevator into what I did it would have been around $500/day. But I was also doing repairs on equipment, moving equipment, ran equipment, etc.\n Sad part is that far too many of these guys dont understand that what the offered rate is has some room in it. 2 good friends last year spent 2-weeks with the same mega farm. 1 guy totaled about 800 bushels less than the other guy. But made $2100 more. He had a higher per bushel rate, said after 30-mins on any end it was $85/hr and refused to haul over 80k.\n", "contentHtml": "Wow, must be different in your neck of the woods. $600/day last year was a bad day. I wasn’t O/O then but saw plenty of settlements from last year and $5-$6/mile was the bottom end. When I plugged in the rates from one elevator into what I did it would have been around $500/day. But I was also doing repairs on equipment, moving equipment, ran equipment, etc. \r\n Sad part is that far too many of these guys don’t understand that what the “offered” rate is has some room in it. 2 good friends last year spent 2-weeks with the same mega farm. 1 guy totaled about 800 bushels less than the other guy. But made $2100 more. He had a higher per bushel rate, said after 30-mins on any end it was $85/hr and refused to haul over 80k. 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Posted on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:23 PM CST in LA CROSSE, KS