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{ "forumId": 22768, "postTypeId": 1, "postType": "Forum", "forumTitle": "WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER", "forumContent": "WHY CANT WE ALL WORK TOGETHER TO GET THE RATES UP TO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE? SHIPPERS , OWNERS,BROKERS,DRIVERS. GET THE RATES UP TO $3 TO $4 PER MILE AND PASS THE COST ON TO THE CONSUMER. DIVIDE THAT COST BETWEEN THE 250 MILLION WORKING PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE IMPACT IS'NT THAT GREAT.", "forumContentHtml": "WHY CANT WE ALL WORK TOGETHER TO GET THE RATES UP TO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE? SHIPPERS , OWNERS,BROKERS,DRIVERS. GET THE RATES UP TO $3 TO $4 PER MILE AND PASS THE COST ON TO THE CONSUMER. DIVIDE THAT COST BETWEEN THE 250 MILLION WORKING PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE IMPACT IS'NT THAT GREAT.", "thumbUrl": "", "dateAdded": "2010-10-07T16:58:57Z", "lastPost": "2010-10-07T16:58:57Z", "views": 2366, "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "messageCount": 27, "premiumOnly": 0, "isfeatured": 0, "showInDays": -100, "showDate": "", "forumLink": "", "youtubeVideoId": "", "approved": 1, "active": 1, "alias": "we-all-need-to-work-together", "forumUrl": "https://www.bulkloads.com/forum/we-all-need-to-work-together/", "userId": 129, "firstName": "RICHARD", "lastName": "BOBBITTE", "companyName": "R D B TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "FREDERICKSBURG", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 5, "userLikes": 0, "replies": [ { "replyId": 20079, "content": "I agree. How can you operate a truck with rates at $1-$2 a mile one direction. Doesn't make sense.", "contentHtml": "I agree. How can you operate a truck with rates at $1-$2 a mile one direction. Doesn't make sense.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-10-07", "dateAdded": "2010-10-07T17:34:55Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2783, "firstName": "SHAYNE", "lastName": "COURSEN", "companyName": "COURSEN & GRIST TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MAPLE HILL", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 2, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20080, "content": "\n THATS RIGHT. DOES'NT IT COST ABOUT A DOLLAR A MILE TO OPERATE A TRUCK IF YOU DRIVE IT YOURSELF?", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tTHATS RIGHT. DOES'NT IT COST ABOUT A DOLLAR A MILE TO OPERATE A TRUCK IF YOU DRIVE IT YOURSELF?", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-02", "dateAdded": "2010-10-08T00:10:05Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 129, "firstName": "RICHARD", "lastName": "BOBBITTE", "companyName": "R D B TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "FREDERICKSBURG", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 5, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20081, "content": "\n i agree with this we are all trying to make a living but saying yes to a very low rate screws the next guy trying to feed his family we all need to make a stand no more bull shit\n", "contentHtml": " \r\ni agree with this we are all trying to make a living but saying yes to a very low rate screws the next guy trying to feed his family we all need to make a stand no more bull shit ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-08", "dateAdded": "2010-10-08T02:30:47Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1790, "firstName": "TYE ", "lastName": "MORRISON", "companyName": "TM", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "CENTERVIEW", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 51, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20082, "content": "\n whos with me ?\n \n", "contentHtml": " \r\nwhos with me ? \r\n ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-08", "dateAdded": "2010-10-08T02:34:59Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1790, "firstName": "TYE ", "lastName": "MORRISON", "companyName": "TM", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "CENTERVIEW", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 51, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20083, "content": "If you would just sit and wait for the better paying load instead of taking the lesser paying load just to keep moving, the guys with the cheap stuff would realize that they have to increase their rate to get it hauled. I realize this will not work with hired drivers because they want the most miles they can get and it's hard to find a driver with the patience to wait, but for percentage drivers and o/o it's a good plan.", "contentHtml": "If you would just sit and wait for the better paying load instead of taking the lesser paying load just to keep moving, the guys with the cheap stuff would realize that they have to increase their rate to get it hauled. I realize this will not work with hired drivers because they want the most miles they can get and it's hard to find a driver with the patience to wait, but for percentage drivers and o/o it's a good plan.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-22", "dateAdded": "2010-10-08T12:22:16Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1569, "firstName": "MIKE", "lastName": "HORSTMAN", "companyName": "MICHAEL A HORSTMAN", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MINSTER", "state": "OH", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20084, "content": "The choice to haul cheap freight is yours. If you don't want to haul cheap freight then stop being a 'rate taker' start being a 'rate setter'. There is more to this game than just trucks; meaning that your business skills are very important. If you lack the necessary skills to sell your service effectively then you will suffer and this is true in any economy. It is not the shipper's or the broker's responsibilty to make sure you operate profitably - it is your responsilbity and yours only.\n", "contentHtml": "The choice to haul cheap freight is yours. If you don't want to haul cheap freight then stop being a 'rate taker' start being a 'rate setter'. There is more to this game than just trucks; meaning that your business skills are very important. If you lack the necessary skills to sell your service effectively then you will suffer and this is true in any economy. It is not the shipper's or the broker's responsibilty to make sure you operate profitably - it is your responsilbity and yours only. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-27", "dateAdded": "2010-10-08T13:44:21Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1650, "firstName": "Myron", "lastName": "Dorsey", "companyName": "LS NEXUS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Cedar Rapids", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 6, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20085, "content": "Its supply and demand. We park our trucks in winter because \"they\" can set the rates and WE have to take em. Loads are SCARCE! There are 100's of trucks (watch the farmers go) fighting for the same load. Let em fight and the rates drop significantly. Fall is the only time WE can set the rates. We are working for over TWICE the rate \"they\" are offering the remainder of the year. Trucks are SCARCE! When you work thru a broker, you are running X/dollars per mile all year. Usually pretty flat, standard, low. We can run 4-5 months/year and make the same amount of $ by being in demand and in COMMAND. Toss the brokers out and wait for the OWNERS of the product to come to you. You have the reigns- TAKE CONTROL. Quit blaming everyone else.", "contentHtml": "Its supply and demand. We park our trucks in winter because "they" can set the rates and WE have to take em. Loads are SCARCE! There are 100's of trucks (watch the farmers go) fighting for the same load. Let em fight and the rates drop significantly. Fall is the only time WE can set the rates. We are working for over TWICE the rate "they" are offering the remainder of the year. Trucks are SCARCE! When you work thru a broker, you are running X/dollars per mile all year. Usually pretty flat, standard, low. We can run 4-5 months/year and make the same amount of $ by being in demand and in COMMAND. Toss the brokers out and wait for the OWNERS of the product to come to you. You have the reigns- TAKE CONTROL. Quit blaming everyone else. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-18", "dateAdded": "2010-10-08T14:36:50Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1325, "firstName": "RUSS", "lastName": "THEIS", "companyName": "G & M TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LIME SPRINGS", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 6, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27885, "content": "3 to 4 dollars is bullshit rate per mile i am the end user of the feed that i get hauled who the hell do i pass the cost to no one is right no one should work for nothing but a fair price also is needed companys like adm and cargill pay almost nothing to the trucks but they pocket the money they sure the hell dont pass the savings to the end user of the feed so before you start to say crazy rates you you need to stop and think a little bit", "contentHtml": "3 to 4 dollars is bullshit rate per mile i am the end user of the feed that i get hauled who the hell do i pass the cost to no one is right no one should work for nothing but a fair price also is needed companys like adm and cargill pay almost nothing to the trucks but they pocket the money they sure the hell dont pass the savings to the end user of the feed so before you start to say crazy rates you you need to stop and think a little bit ", "parentReplyId": 20081, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-13", "dateAdded": "2010-10-11T01:37:18Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1136, "firstName": "LARRY", "lastName": "KLEFFNER", "companyName": "KLEFFNER FARMS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Brinktown", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 2, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 28870, "content": "\n it dont sound like you are a end user , unless your eating all that feed. sounds like you may be feeding cattle.; .....now that puts you right ware the truckers are..standing with your hand out hopping some one will give you a fair price..............stop and think,, ......................truckers stop hauling cheep fright,,,,,,,", "contentHtml": "\r\n\t it dont sound like you are a end user , unless your eating all that feed. sounds like you may be feeding cattle.; .....now that puts you right ware the truckers are..standing with your hand out hopping some one will give you a fair price..............stop and think,, ......................truckers stop hauling cheep fright,,,,,,,", "parentReplyId": 27885, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-04", "dateAdded": "2010-10-11T03:11:37Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 318, "firstName": "Ron", "lastName": "Roskowiak", "companyName": "TEAM SR LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Delano", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 17, "userLikes": 9, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20086, "content": "\n", "contentHtml": " ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-28", "dateAdded": "2010-10-11T14:27:55Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1945, "firstName": "Steve", "lastName": "Withers", "companyName": "SKYVIEW FARMS INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Gothenburg", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 11, "userLikes": 5, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20087, "content": "\n it seems to me that if anyone that thinks they should get paid $3-$4/mile they arent thinking quite clearly...we are all consumers on some level! if truckers are demanding such rates...the cost must be passed along to someone...and that ultimately is the consumer...so unless we all want to pay $20 for a bag of dog food or $15/lb for hamburger or $12 for a whole chicken maybe people should stop and think before they go claiming that they need such crazy freight rates\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nit seems to me that if anyone that thinks they should get paid $3-$4/mile they arent thinking quite clearly...we are all consumers on some level! if truckers are demanding such rates...the cost must be passed along to someone...and that ultimately is the consumer...so unless we all want to pay $20 for a bag of dog food or $15/lb for hamburger or $12 for a whole chicken maybe people should stop and think before they go claiming that they need such crazy freight rates ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-28", "dateAdded": "2010-10-11T14:33:33Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1945, "firstName": "Steve", "lastName": "Withers", "companyName": "SKYVIEW FARMS INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Gothenburg", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 11, "userLikes": 5, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20088, "content": "\n I am a broker and I work off of a flat fee from shippers, I also work with carriers and get a monthly payment to find them direct freight from other shippers. If you ask me the traditional way of brokering loads is changing and should be changed. I have had my loads snipped and reposted from some of the larger brokerage companies. The biggest issue I see that you need to work within the constraints of operation. Meaning that you need to know your numbers. Some carriers need .41 per mile for fuel and others need .58 per mile. All of your operational costs should be nailed down period. These numbers should include an allotment for insurance both health and truck etc. I think that you will find that running for $1.85 per loaded mile and an average of $1.55 per mile you are in the money. I hear these numbers over and over again from carriers who have been on the road for over 20+ years. $3-$4 freight is few and far between and should stay that way, otherwise we need to all move to a farm and raise our own food and build our own electronics. I really don't see the economy growing anytime soon. If you could get some carriers to stop hauling the sub $1.10 freight everyone would be better off.\n \n Times are changing and I understand that it is getting more difficult, that is why I don't operate like a traditional broker. CSA 2010 will have a huge impact on the number of drivers this next year and i believe that rates will be on the rise maybe into the $2.25 per mile to stay. That will be hard for the consumer to take. I know all of you are under a lot of pressure, hang in there. If anyone would like to contact me please go to my website at www.jigsawlogisticsgroup.com\n \n thanks\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nI am a broker and I work off of a flat fee from shippers, I also work with carriers and get a monthly payment to find them direct freight from other shippers. If you ask me the traditional way of brokering loads is changing and should be changed. I have had my loads snipped and reposted from some of the larger brokerage companies. The biggest issue I see that you need to work within the constraints of operation. Meaning that you need to know your numbers. Some carriers need .41 per mile for fuel and others need .58 per mile. All of your operational costs should be nailed down period. These numbers should include an allotment for insurance both health and truck etc. I think that you will find that running for $1.85 per loaded mile and an average of $1.55 per mile you are in the money. I hear these numbers over and over again from carriers who have been on the road for over 20+ years. $3-$4 freight is few and far between and should stay that way, otherwise we need to all move to a farm and raise our own food and build our own electronics. I really don't see the economy growing anytime soon. If you could get some carriers to stop hauling the sub $1.10 freight everyone would be better off. \r\n \r\nTimes are changing and I understand that it is getting more difficult, that is why I don't operate like a traditional broker. CSA 2010 will have a huge impact on the number of drivers this next year and i believe that rates will be on the rise maybe into the $2.25 per mile to stay. That will be hard for the consumer to take. I know all of you are under a lot of pressure, hang in there. If anyone would like to contact me please go to my website at www.jigsawlogisticsgroup.com \r\n \r\nthanks ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-07-05", "dateAdded": "2010-10-11T21:15:48Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1994, "firstName": "CHARLES", "lastName": "DAUGHERTY", "companyName": "JIGSAW LOGISTICS GROUP, LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "DAWSONVILLE", "state": "GA", "userCommentCount": 33, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20089, "content": "\n RON\n I DO EAT ALL THAT FEED AND IT IS VERY GOOD SO DONT ASSUME ANY THING.......................................", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tRON \r\n\tI DO EAT ALL THAT FEED AND IT IS VERY GOOD SO DONT ASSUME ANY THING.......................................", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-13", "dateAdded": "2010-10-12T00:22:21Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1136, "firstName": "LARRY", "lastName": "KLEFFNER", "companyName": "KLEFFNER FARMS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Brinktown", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 2, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20090, "content": "We started hauling using brokers and after a few years started hauling directly for the shippers/product owners and realized how much the MAJORITY of the brokers were peeling off the top. ESPECIALLY during harvest season!!! I won't name the name (unless you ask) but we started hauling for Pioneer and found our \"ag\" broker to be taking HALF the Pioneer rate then taking his 10% then giving the remainder to us. Still looked like an ok rate for one way hauling east to west but he was pulling over $500 off a $900 load!!! Being just a small trucking company, we put over $8000 in his pocket in less than 3 weeks from his skimming! THIS IS WHERE THE $ FROM TRUCKING HAS GONE!!! Rates don't need to be $4/mile. They just need to be fair straight to the TRUCKS!!!", "contentHtml": "We started hauling using brokers and after a few years started hauling directly for the shippers/product owners and realized how much the MAJORITY of the brokers were peeling off the top. ESPECIALLY during harvest season!!! I won't name the name (unless you ask) but we started hauling for Pioneer and found our "ag" broker to be taking HALF the Pioneer rate then taking his 10% then giving the remainder to us. Still looked like an ok rate for one way hauling east to west but he was pulling over $500 off a $900 load!!! Being just a small trucking company, we put over $8000 in his pocket in less than 3 weeks from his skimming! THIS IS WHERE THE $ FROM TRUCKING HAS GONE!!! Rates don't need to be $4/mile. They just need to be fair straight to the TRUCKS!!!", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-18", "dateAdded": "2010-10-12T13:14:09Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1325, "firstName": "RUSS", "lastName": "THEIS", "companyName": "G & M TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LIME SPRINGS", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 6, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20091, "content": "\n i bet that \"ag\" broker you are refering to..was based in KS LOL \n", "contentHtml": " \r\ni bet that "ag" broker you are refering to..was based in KS LOL ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-28", "dateAdded": "2010-10-12T13:55:16Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1945, "firstName": "Steve", "lastName": "Withers", "companyName": "SKYVIEW FARMS INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Gothenburg", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 11, "userLikes": 5, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20092, "content": "well we need to start by getting rid of brokers. and not the good guys that really have the load but the 2nd and 3rd hands brokering services. make it federal law that way it weeds them out then you might have something", "contentHtml": "well we need to start by getting rid of brokers. and not the good guys that really have the load but the 2nd and 3rd hands brokering services. make it federal law that way it weeds them out then you might have something", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-19", "dateAdded": "2010-10-12T19:50:10Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1453, "firstName": "RICHARD", "lastName": "SCHULTZ", "companyName": "RICHARD L SCHULTZ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LINCOLN", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 45, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27887, "content": "See truckers ain't dum! LOL!!!", "contentHtml": "See truckers ain't dum! LOL!!!<img alt=\"\" height=\"20\" src=\"http://www.bulkloadsnow.com/Includes/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/lightbulb.gif\" title=\"\" width=\"20\" />", "parentReplyId": 20091, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-18", "dateAdded": "2010-10-12T22:36:03Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1325, "firstName": "RUSS", "lastName": "THEIS", "companyName": "G & M TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LIME SPRINGS", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 6, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27886, "content": "another broker talking stupid shit ,,,,,,,,,$1.55 your in the money..????!!!!!! you need to quit your job ,and go buy lots of trucks. obviously you have never owned a truck...", "contentHtml": "another broker talking stupid shit ,,,,,,,,,$1.55 your in the money..????!!!!!! you need to quit your job ,and go buy lots of trucks. obviously you have never owned a truck...", "parentReplyId": 20088, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-04", "dateAdded": "2010-10-13T02:23:30Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 318, "firstName": "Ron", "lastName": "Roskowiak", "companyName": "TEAM SR LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Delano", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 17, "userLikes": 9, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20093, "content": "i wont touch a load for under 3.00 a mile . folks get so scared but just think if no one takes low paying loads the rate has to go up.the banks dont want our trucks back they wanna sell more. stick to your guns people.take care of #1 or your gonna step in #2 later wishbone", "contentHtml": "i wont touch a load for under 3.00 a mile . folks get so scared but just think if no one takes low paying loads the rate has to go up.the banks dont want our trucks back they wanna sell more. stick to your guns people.take care of #1 or your gonna step in #2 later wishbone", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-09-24", "dateAdded": "2010-10-13T13:16:51Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2671, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "ROTH", "companyName": "SOMERSET LANDSCAPING SERVICES", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Hillsborough", "state": "NJ", "userCommentCount": 29, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20094, "content": "If that is the case then I am assuming you are either 1: not very busy at all. Or 2: Never haul a load that goes over 50 miles. Am I correct? If I am not please reply back, and I would be interested in leasing about 40 trucks onto your company and all your $3 per mile loads.", "contentHtml": "If that is the case then I am assuming you are either 1: not very busy at all. Or 2: Never haul a load that goes over 50 miles. Am I correct? If I am not please reply back, and I would be interested in leasing about 40 trucks onto your company and all your $3 per mile loads.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-13", "dateAdded": "2010-10-13T15:12:20Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1096, "firstName": "Jason", "lastName": "Wehrle", "companyName": "WEHRLE TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Lynnville", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 53, "userLikes": 8, "userDislikes": 7, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20095, "content": "Give me 20 of em for 4-5 months out of the year and I'll show you how it works!! He's right. Supply and demand. Think it thru before you doubt it. Tons of truck, lots of loads=cheap rates for the majority of us. Fewer trucks (cuz farmers are out of the way)in fall, same amount of loads= rates doubled! The proof is in the bank. Try it ONE year and you won't (and can't afford to) go back to running year round! Put the same laws, rules in effect for farmers and you wouldn't have nearly as many pulling loads. They throw a guy in a truck they bought with govt handout and pay him $8/hr and they think they are making $$. Prob is they are just taking it from the rest of us.", "contentHtml": "Give me 20 of em for 4-5 months out of the year and I'll show you how it works!! He's right. Supply and demand. Think it thru before you doubt it. Tons of truck, lots of loads=cheap rates for the majority of us. Fewer trucks (cuz farmers are out of the way)in fall, same amount of loads= rates doubled! The proof is in the bank. Try it ONE year and you won't (and can't afford to) go back to running year round! Put the same laws, rules in effect for farmers and you wouldn't have nearly as many pulling loads. They throw a guy in a truck they bought with govt handout and pay him $8/hr and they think they are making $$. Prob is they are just taking it from the rest of us. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-18", "dateAdded": "2010-10-13T16:34:59Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1325, "firstName": "RUSS", "lastName": "THEIS", "companyName": "G & M TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LIME SPRINGS", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 6, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 28871, "content": "\n Ron:\n \n Thanks for the comment. I would say to you, yes I have never owned a truck! So what! All the information I was giving is what I hear day in and day out. So why would so many of your collegues give me bad information. I know plenty of end dump guys that typically run for $1.80 and shove money in the bank every week. It is great to have a load for $2.50 + but they are typically for short runs or for a special special loads. I was not trying to offend anyone. However you feel justified in calling me stupid, fine if that makes you feel better. This is an open forum for conversation and gaining additional knowledge and building relationships.\n \n Actually I lost my business of 8 years in the land planning and civil engineering field. I gave over 20 years of my life to that in addition to a 5 year professional degree and 2 years of graduate school. Thanks to our economy no one needs a new golf course or subdivision or resort or office complex. So I have been working in this industry for almost two years now. I also won the SOIN award in 2009 for industrial automation design. I am not stupid, but I do know how to listen. So ask yourself this question, are you running your company as efficiently as possible or are there a lot of carriers out there that just love to tell tales? When I have carriers that tell me what they need to run and they do it willingly and are happy about it what am I to think? Now that harvest is in full swing prices will go up as they always do, but there has to be a comfort zone where there is value for both sides. What is your price zone where you are in the money and not losing or making lawyer money?\n \n I would really like to know.\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nRon: \r\n \r\nThanks for the comment. I would say to you, yes I have never owned a truck! So what! All the information I was giving is what I hear day in and day out. So why would so many of your collegues give me bad information. I know plenty of end dump guys that typically run for $1.80 and shove money in the bank every week. It is great to have a load for $2.50 + but they are typically for short runs or for a special special loads. I was not trying to offend anyone. However you feel justified in calling me stupid, fine if that makes you feel better. This is an open forum for conversation and gaining additional knowledge and building relationships. \r\n \r\nActually I lost my business of 8 years in the land planning and civil engineering field. I gave over 20 years of my life to that in addition to a 5 year professional degree and 2 years of graduate school. Thanks to our economy no one needs a new golf course or subdivision or resort or office complex. So I have been working in this industry for almost two years now. I also won the SOIN award in 2009 for industrial automation design. I am not stupid, but I do know how to listen. So ask yourself this question, are you running your company as efficiently as possible or are there a lot of carriers out there that just love to tell tales? When I have carriers that tell me what they need to run and they do it willingly and are happy about it what am I to think? Now that harvest is in full swing prices will go up as they always do, but there has to be a comfort zone where there is value for both sides. What is your price zone where you are in the money and not losing or making lawyer money? \r\n \r\nI would really like to know. ", "parentReplyId": 27886, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-07-05", "dateAdded": "2010-10-13T16:49:48Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1994, "firstName": "CHARLES", "lastName": "DAUGHERTY", "companyName": "JIGSAW LOGISTICS GROUP, LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "DAWSONVILLE", "state": "GA", "userCommentCount": 33, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20096, "content": "\n I think some people need to clarify these different rates that are being thrown out there. I think the guys using a $3/mi figure are talking loaded miles, not all miles. If you have a run that is 5 days a week, and you have to bounce back empty every day to be ready to load the next day, then that $3/ mi becomes $1.50. I am sorry if the end user thinks that is too high, but, if you demand so much per week, and there is no time, or no freight going DIRECTLY back, then good luck finding trucks. Obviously supply/demand and truck availability will help dictate prices in and out of certain areas. When the general public is concerned with how much I have to pay in fuel, major repairs, insurance, licensing, not to mention all the liability these days, then I will care more about a loaf of bread going up $.50. I operate my business out of the town I live in, and that is always where I will return when I finish a load. As someone else once said here in these forums \"I live in a house, not in a truck\". If a rate is not good enough to return home right away, or there is not a load going back somewhat close, then I have to have more money. I won't spend a week trying to patch loads together to get back home. Everone has a different operation, as well as a different cost to operate, so, that is where I feel the price fluctuation comes from. Just cause one guys hauled something once for you for x dollars, or someone you know gets their product delivered similar miles for x dollars, does not necessarily mean you will get the same deal. There are too many variables with each load. \n", "contentHtml": " \r\nI think some people need to clarify these different rates that are being thrown out there. I think the guys using a $3/mi figure are talking loaded miles, not all miles. If you have a run that is 5 days a week, and you have to bounce back empty every day to be ready to load the next day, then that $3/ mi becomes $1.50. I am sorry if the end user thinks that is too high, but, if you demand so much per week, and there is no time, or no freight going DIRECTLY back, then good luck finding trucks. Obviously supply/demand and truck availability will help dictate prices in and out of certain areas. When the general public is concerned with how much I have to pay in fuel, major repairs, insurance, licensing, not to mention all the liability these days, then I will care more about a loaf of bread going up $.50. I operate my business out of the town I live in, and that is always where I will return when I finish a load. As someone else once said here in these forums "I live in a house, not in a truck". If a rate is not good enough to return home right away, or there is not a load going back somewhat close, then I have to have more money. I won't spend a week trying to patch loads together to get back home. Everone has a different operation, as well as a different cost to operate, so, that is where I feel the price fluctuation comes from. Just cause one guys hauled something once for you for x dollars, or someone you know gets their product delivered similar miles for x dollars, does not necessarily mean you will get the same deal. There are too many variables with each load. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-18", "dateAdded": "2010-10-15T22:22:28Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1374, "firstName": "SEAN", "lastName": "N", "companyName": "SMN ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MURRAY", "state": "KY", "userCommentCount": 38, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20097, "content": "I agree with Sean N. Everyones expenses and operations are different. So TRUCK #1 might be able to haul a load cheaper than TRUCK #2 just because of their overhead and expenses. It is not always about cutting rates or hauling cheap freight. I don't worry about what someone else needs to make to cover their expenses, I worry about mine and only mine. If it doesn't pay enough to cover your expenses, don't haul it. But just because someone else hauls it doesn't mean he is hauling it too cheap or cutting rates.", "contentHtml": "I agree with Sean N. Everyones expenses and operations are different. So TRUCK #1 might be able to haul a load cheaper than TRUCK #2 just because of their overhead and expenses. It is not always about cutting rates or hauling cheap freight. I don't worry about what someone else needs to make to cover their expenses, I worry about mine and only mine. If it doesn't pay enough to cover your expenses, don't haul it. But just because someone else hauls it doesn't mean he is hauling it too cheap or cutting rates.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-12", "dateAdded": "2010-10-15T22:42:19Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 709, "firstName": "RICHARD A.", "lastName": "MOEN", "companyName": "THREE STATE TRUCKING INC.", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PEEVER", "state": "SD", "userCommentCount": 18, "userLikes": 8, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27888, "content": "I would mostly agree with you. However some truckers have no idea what they need for rates.", "contentHtml": "I would mostly agree with you. However some truckers have no idea what they need for rates.", "parentReplyId": 20097, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-25", "dateAdded": "2010-10-16T16:00:47Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1613, "firstName": "Steve", "lastName": "Hall", "companyName": "HALL TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Hutchinson", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 31, "userLikes": 29, "userDislikes": 47, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20098, "content": "why would you wanna lease on with me im not a broker i just dont haul cheap freight. you need to stand up instead of looking for someone to take care of you wishbone", "contentHtml": "why would you wanna lease on with me im not a broker i just dont haul cheap freight. you need to stand up instead of looking for someone to take care of you wishbone", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-09-24", "dateAdded": "2010-10-16T17:19:32Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2671, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "ROTH", "companyName": "SOMERSET LANDSCAPING SERVICES", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Hillsborough", "state": "NJ", "userCommentCount": 29, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 } ], "userDislikes": 0, "signUpDate": "2010-03-02", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0, "iSubscribe": 0 }

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