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{ "forumId": 38662, "postTypeId": 1, "postType": "Forum", "forumTitle": "what would you call this", "forumContent": "the shipping company emails us and says a load pays $70 per ton then a few hours later I get four or five emails from different brokers saying THEY have good paying loads at 55 to 60 dollars a ton all coming from the same place all the same loads. I checked on it before i posted this and your boasting it that is good money what gives? and these brokers are suposed to be in existence why? these brokers that call themselves brokers are not brokers because it is not their freight they're ?", "forumContentHtml": "the shipping company emails us and says a load pays $70 per ton then a few hours later I get four or five emails from different brokers saying THEY have good paying loads at 55 to 60 dollars a ton all coming from the same place all the same loads. I checked on it before i posted this and your boasting it that is good money what gives? and these brokers are suposed to be in existence why? these brokers that call themselves brokers are not brokers because it is not their freight they're ?", "thumbUrl": "", "dateAdded": "2014-11-19T22:11:47Z", "lastPost": "2014-11-23T02:51:42Z", "views": 3300, "likes": 1, "dislikes": 1, "messageCount": 8, "premiumOnly": 0, "isfeatured": 0, "showInDays": -100, "showDate": "", "forumLink": "", "youtubeVideoId": "", "approved": 1, "active": 1, "alias": "what-would-you-call-this", "forumUrl": "https://www.bulkloads.com/forum/what-would-you-call-this/", "userId": 15182, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "WEAST", "companyName": "FAIR GROVE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fair Grove", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 608, "userLikes": 0, "replies": [ { "replyId": 29911, "content": "I would call it ;\n Typical\n Normal\n Par for the course\n I could go on. But it all leads back to the same old sad story about \"SOME\" brokers. Not all, so lets not get EVERYONES panties in a bunch regarding my feelings for some of the broker industry. \n Let me also pose this question? Mr.Broker loads my truck from point A to point B, then wants this truck in point C to go to point D. There is a gap with no load from point B to point C right? So Mr.Broker says I'm doing you a favor by pulling a load off of the load board that god and all of us can see and then takes his normal percentage. I then inform Mr.Broker that I am aware of this load and what it pays and wish to book said load on my own? Should this be a problem or not? Depends on the broker? \n Had it happen more than once. My good broker got the load off the board, got his peice and paid me what the posted rate from the board was. \"WE\" made money. The rest of the vultures take a percentage and then throw a fit like their gut shot and accuse you of going around them booking said load on your own. If you refuse Mr.Broker you are the lowlife that is ruining their business. \n I realize that this is the proverbial revolving firing squad and to a certain extent my even responding just continues a discussion with no end, but the bulk industry seems to have more than its share of vultures at this time because the regular freight industry is saturated. I also know that brokers are here to stay no matter how I feel. My only defense is support the good guys. Don't haul for the whiners and bottom feeders. I wish there was a way to call the bad guys out. Get them exposed for what they are. But we can't name names and I understand that we would have a mess if we did that. Maybe we should all put more effort into to naming the good people if that is practical. The truth as always is elusive. Their are some big names that boast their time to pay on this site, but if you tell the truth, I bet you never see another load. \n At the end of the day which has more value, Ethics and Morals or Money?", "contentHtml": "I would call it ; \r\nTypical \r\nNormal \r\nPar for the course \r\nI could go on. But it all leads back to the same old sad story about "SOME" brokers. Not all, so lets not get EVERYONES panties in a bunch regarding my feelings for some of the broker industry. \r\nLet me also pose this question? Mr.Broker loads my truck from point A to point B, then wants this truck in point C to go to point D. There is a gap with no load from point B to point C right? So Mr.Broker says I'm doing you a favor by pulling a load off of the load board that god and all of us can see and then takes his normal percentage. I then inform Mr.Broker that I am aware of this load and what it pays and wish to book said load on my own? Should this be a problem or not? Depends on the broker? \r\nHad it happen more than once. My good broker got the load off the board, got his peice and paid me what the posted rate from the board was. "WE" made money. The rest of the vultures take a percentage and then throw a fit like their gut shot and accuse you of going around them booking said load on your own. If you refuse Mr.Broker you are the lowlife that is ruining their business. \r\nI realize that this is the proverbial revolving firing squad and to a certain extent my even responding just continues a discussion with no end, but the bulk industry seems to have more than its share of vultures at this time because the regular freight industry is saturated. I also know that brokers are here to stay no matter how I feel. My only defense is support the good guys. Don't haul for the whiners and bottom feeders. I wish there was a way to call the bad guys out. Get them exposed for what they are. But we can't name names and I understand that we would have a mess if we did that. Maybe we should all put more effort into to naming the good people if that is practical. The truth as always is elusive. Their are some big names that boast their time to pay on this site, but if you tell the truth, I bet you never see another load. \r\nAt the end of the day which has more value, Ethics and Morals or Money? ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-05", "dateAdded": "2014-11-20T00:55:37Z", "likes": 2, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3266, "firstName": "ROSE", "lastName": "PFLUGER", "companyName": "ROAD WARRIORS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MORRISTOWN", "state": "AZ", "userCommentCount": 804, "userLikes": 10, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29912, "content": "Sorry forgot. The above posting and commentary express the feelings of me - Art Pfluger. They may or may not agree with my companies policy. So HATERS have at me, leave my family alone. \n \n Art Pfluger", "contentHtml": "Sorry forgot. The above posting and commentary express the feelings of me - Art Pfluger. They may or may not agree with my companies policy. So HATERS have at me, leave my family alone. \r\n \r\nArt Pfluger", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-05", "dateAdded": "2014-11-20T00:57:45Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3266, "firstName": "ROSE", "lastName": "PFLUGER", "companyName": "ROAD WARRIORS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MORRISTOWN", "state": "AZ", "userCommentCount": 804, "userLikes": 10, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29914, "content": "You could look at what a broker is selling is information not so much hauls. Your assumption that we only market loads directly to you is ... niave... I don't think that's quite the right word. We get loads from many different sources. Some you know about, so you'll see the source price and a brokered price (I won't comment on the cut you've posted as it appears to be exaggerated) but someone that doesn't live on this board may not know about a run posted here. Just like you may not know about one posted else where. Then we market it to hundreds of trucks that match that profile... not just you. A brokers job is connecting the dots. \n Rose as far as your B to C point. A broker has no right to get upset if you inform them that you know about that run when they initially mention it. We get bent when 2 hours later after we've disclosed all the information that you tell us oh yeah I know all abou that job and I've already booked it direct. Especially when we talk to our POC with that company and they tell us you called out of the blue. \n When it comes to utilizing runs from boards like this one. I do take a percentage usually lower then my norm. I have exposure from being in the middle of it just like you do when hauling it. If something happens I'm on the hook same as you I should be compensted for that risk. Normally the only time I pull runs from a board is to make others runs work. Perfect example is I currently have 200+ salt runs with hunderds of loads per run out of DE most will probably go all winter. None of them are a truely stand alone runs as they're only paying about $3.50 per loaded mile so I've been searching for back runs into the area to make it work for everyone involved. When you take into account that most of the runs on these boards are marginal at best they can be a good source of filler work. \n I do have to ask a question of you two. When do you find time to drive as your always on here?\n", "contentHtml": "You could look at what a broker is selling is information not so much hauls. Your assumption that we only market loads directly to you is ... niave... I don't think that's quite the right word. We get loads from many different sources. Some you know about, so you'll see the source price and a brokered price (I won't comment on the cut you've posted as it appears to be exaggerated) but someone that doesn't live on this board may not know about a run posted here. Just like you may not know about one posted else where. Then we market it to hundreds of trucks that match that profile... not just you. A brokers job is connecting the dots. \r\nRose as far as your B to C point. A broker has no right to get upset if you inform them that you know about that run when they initially mention it. We get bent when 2 hours later after we've disclosed all the information that you tell us oh yeah I know all abou that job and I've already booked it direct. Especially when we talk to our POC with that company and they tell us you called out of the blue. \r\nWhen it comes to utilizing runs from boards like this one. I do take a percentage usually lower then my norm. I have exposure from being in the middle of it just like you do when hauling it. If something happens I'm on the hook same as you I should be compensted for that risk. Normally the only time I pull runs from a board is to make others runs work. Perfect example is I currently have 200+ salt runs with hunderds of loads per run out of DE most will probably go all winter. None of them are a truely stand alone runs as they're only paying about $3.50 per loaded mile so I've been searching for back runs into the area to make it work for everyone involved. When you take into account that most of the runs on these boards are marginal at best they can be a good source of filler work. \r\nI do have to ask a question of you two. When do you find time to drive as your always on here? ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-03-04", "dateAdded": "2014-11-20T16:07:13Z", "likes": 2, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 10432, "firstName": "TOM ", "lastName": "SUTTON", "companyName": "TJ SUTTON ENTERPRISES LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Wilmington", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 88, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29917, "content": "Art, you may not believe it but I agree with the lions share of your post.", "contentHtml": "Art, you may not believe it but I agree with the lions share of your post.", "parentReplyId": 29911, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/JIM-NOLTE-SANDERS INC.-4853-611713-Jims Pics 023.jpg", "signUpDate": "2011-07-01", "dateAdded": "2014-11-20T22:23:08Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 4853, "firstName": "Jim", "lastName": "Nolte", "companyName": "SANDERS INC.", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Ellsworth", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 100, "userLikes": 13, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29925, "content": "I guess what I'm saying is the shipper email me through this website which means everyone got the same email I've been contacted him he told me the stuff was at $70 per ton which puts in about $2.90 per mile then i got emails several hours later from 4or 5 different brokers that post on this board on a regular basis that tried to sell this stuff to me for $2 to $2.15 per miles which puts it in 55 to 60 dollars per ton I have no reason to exaggerate I have no reason to lie I am NOT a broker so I guess what I'm saying is that these brokers on these boards to try to sell the stuff for nothing and make a living off of us thinking that we are stupid or and have no integrity whatsoever we need to expose them to put them out of business that way we don't have to worry about getting f***** by them there are plenty of good honest brokers on this board for those individuals need to be dealt with and put out of business nobody wants them around they are good for no one", "contentHtml": "I guess what I'm saying is the shipper email me through this website which means everyone got the same email I've been contacted him he told me the stuff was at $70 per ton which puts in about $2.90 per mile then i got emails several hours later from 4or 5 different brokers that post on this board on a regular basis that tried to sell this stuff to me for $2 to $2.15 per miles which puts it in 55 to 60 dollars per ton I have no reason to exaggerate I have no reason to lie I am NOT a broker so I guess what I'm saying is that these brokers on these boards to try to sell the stuff for nothing and make a living off of us thinking that we are stupid or and have no integrity whatsoever we need to expose them to put them out of business that way we don't have to worry about getting f***** by them there are plenty of good honest brokers on this board for those individuals need to be dealt with and put out of business nobody wants them around they are good for no one", "parentReplyId": 29914, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-06-12", "dateAdded": "2014-11-21T16:02:16Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 15182, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "WEAST", "companyName": "FAIR GROVE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fair Grove", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 608, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29927, "content": "Double,triple brokering....Need I say more???", "contentHtml": "Double,triple brokering....Need I say more???", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-01", "dateAdded": "2014-11-21T17:17:32Z", "likes": 2, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6782, "firstName": "JOE", "lastName": "MATA", "companyName": "JPM GRAIN TRANSPORT", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Hamilton", "state": "OH", "userCommentCount": 83, "userLikes": 116, "userDislikes": 35, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 29943, "content": "I get e-mails from shippers daily about their loads. Just this week a shipper had a flatbed load paying $2500. I saw the same load listed by a broker on the OOIDA Members Edge load board for $2000. \n \n My daughter used to work for me doing my dispatch and office work. She eventually got her own brokers authority and was in business as a broker for herself before she got too busy raising a family so I know what it takes to be in the brokerage business.\n \n There is no reason for the broker with so little invested compared to the trucker to take $500 off the top of a load except greed.\n \n I deal with shippers direct when possible and I also deal with brokers. It is common for a broker to quote me a rate that is very low and then end up paying several hundred dollars more.\n \n It would be nice to be able to deal with a broker and not have to play games about the rates. I guess it is to much to ask for them to be straight forward and especially FAIR on what they take off the top.\n \n It will continue to be \"All right!! Look what I made on that load!\" All while the trucker carries nearly all the expenses.\n \n I have the same office equipment a broker requires, I have made many hundreds of contacts with shippers and receivers as the broker has. I have far more insurance than a broker is required to have. I have well over $100,000 worth of equipment and I am just an owner/operator with my own authority. \n \n I probably could make more clear profit being a broker myself and using the contacts I have but I much prefer driving. I get my can full of negotiating just booking my own loads.", "contentHtml": "I get e-mails from shippers daily about their loads. Just this week a shipper had a flatbed load paying $2500. I saw the same load listed by a broker on the OOIDA Members Edge load board for $2000. \r\n \r\nMy daughter used to work for me doing my dispatch and office work. She eventually got her own brokers authority and was in business as a broker for herself before she got too busy raising a family so I know what it takes to be in the brokerage business. \r\n \r\nThere is no reason for the broker with so little invested compared to the trucker to take $500 off the top of a load except greed. \r\n \r\nI deal with shippers direct when possible and I also deal with brokers. It is common for a broker to quote me a rate that is very low and then end up paying several hundred dollars more. \r\n \r\nIt would be nice to be able to deal with a broker and not have to play games about the rates. I guess it is to much to ask for them to be straight forward and especially FAIR on what they take off the top. \r\n \r\nIt will continue to be "All right!! Look what I made on that load!" All while the trucker carries nearly all the expenses. \r\n \r\nI have the same office equipment a broker requires, I have made many hundreds of contacts with shippers and receivers as the broker has. I have far more insurance than a broker is required to have. I have well over $100,000 worth of equipment and I am just an owner/operator with my own authority. \r\n \r\nI probably could make more clear profit being a broker myself and using the contacts I have but I much prefer driving. I get my can full of negotiating just booking my own loads. 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Posted on Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 5:11 PM CST in Fair Grove, MO