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{ "forumId": 22905, "postTypeId": 1, "postType": "Forum", "forumTitle": "WORKING WITH CARRIERS, BROKERS AND SHIPPERS AS FUEL INCREASES", "forumContent": "The simple solution would be a fuel surcharge, right? Unfortunately most grain and feed commodities are traded with a set rate per ton or cwt or bushel when the contract is made. It is sometimes painful or ackward to ask the broker or shipper for an increased rate because of that set rate. It is also just as painful to ask a carrier to haul for the same rate when fuel has increase $.10-.15/gal in a week.\n \n What are some of the best ways to work together to avoid the conflicts of increased diesel prices on freight rates?", "forumContentHtml": "The simple solution would be a fuel surcharge, right? Unfortunately most grain and feed commodities are traded with a set rate per ton or cwt or bushel when the contract is made. It is sometimes painful or ackward to ask the broker or shipper for an increased rate because of that set rate. It is also just as painful to ask a carrier to haul for the same rate when fuel has increase $.10-.15/gal in a week. \r\n \r\nWhat are some of the best ways to work together to avoid the conflicts of increased diesel prices on freight rates?", "thumbUrl": "", "dateAdded": "2011-01-11T18:27:41Z", "lastPost": "2011-01-11T18:27:41Z", "views": 2561, "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "messageCount": 41, "premiumOnly": 0, "isfeatured": 0, "showInDays": -100, "showDate": "", "forumLink": "", "youtubeVideoId": "", "approved": 1, "active": 1, "alias": "working-with-carriers-brokers-and-shippers-as-fuel-increases", "forumUrl": "https://www.bulkloads.com/forum/working-with-carriers-brokers-and-shippers-as-fuel-increases/", "userId": 3289, "firstName": "Forum", "lastName": "Questions", "companyName": "BULKLOADS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Springfield", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 98, "userLikes": 0, "replies": [ { "replyId": 20500, "content": "\n When the shippers in our are tell me the rate their paying for a lane, and I tell them that it's not enough, their standard response is always \" We're getting it done for that \". I kindly respond with \" then those carriers can keep doing it for nothing \" or \" then why are you calling me? \". The shippers are in business to make money, but don't seem to like it when you mention that \" we are too \". Making money is a one way street to them, and it's their street. There's a lot of farmers in our area that have trucks just to give their hired hand something to do in the off season. That hurts those of us that are strictly in to trucking because they will haul a load just to cover the hired hands wages. I think the carriers should just quit hauling all together for a while. We're the ones with the trucks, we have the control. Unfortunately, no one else seems to have the vision. The rates are low because the carriers allow them to be.\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nWhen the shippers in our are tell me the rate their paying for a lane, and I tell them that it's not enough, their standard response is always " We're getting it done for that ". I kindly respond with " then those carriers can keep doing it for nothing " or " then why are you calling me? ". The shippers are in business to make money, but don't seem to like it when you mention that " we are too ". Making money is a one way street to them, and it's their street. There's a lot of farmers in our area that have trucks just to give their hired hand something to do in the off season. That hurts those of us that are strictly in to trucking because they will haul a load just to cover the hired hands wages. I think the carriers should just quit hauling all together for a while. We're the ones with the trucks, we have the control. Unfortunately, no one else seems to have the vision. The rates are low because the carriers allow them to be. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-01", "dateAdded": "2011-01-12T19:34:46Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2969, "firstName": "AARON", "lastName": "SANNE", "companyName": "P & M ENTERPRISES", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "NORFOLK", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 90, "userLikes": 185, "userDislikes": 18, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20501, "content": "Let the farmers farm.........And let the truckers truck !!!!!!\n", "contentHtml": "Let the farmers farm.........And let the truckers truck !!!!!! ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-07-18", "dateAdded": "2011-01-13T04:11:29Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2095, "firstName": "ROB", "lastName": "BEELER", "companyName": "R E B TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "STATE CENTER", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 19, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27929, "content": "It IS difficult to compete, and our rates don't always do it. However, we do a lot of repeat business at our rates because we maintain high customer service expectations-both from our company drivers, and any carriers we use. We've been fortunate, and at this point it's not broke, so we're not fixing it. We usually see those companies come around to us because we are the ones available when the farm trucks aren't. While I understand the \"vision,\" the business we would lose (multiple 10-30 year customers) would be a bitter pill to swallow when the industry swings back the other way.", "contentHtml": "It IS difficult to compete, and our rates don't always do it. However, we do a lot of repeat business at our rates because we maintain high customer service expectations-both from our company drivers, and any carriers we use. We've been fortunate, and at this point it's not broke, so we're not fixing it. We usually see those companies come around to us because we are the ones available when the farm trucks aren't. While I understand the "vision," the business we would lose (multiple 10-30 year customers) would be a bitter pill to swallow when the industry swings back the other way. ", "parentReplyId": 20500, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-18", "dateAdded": "2011-01-13T15:59:09Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1332, "firstName": "JACKIE", "lastName": "MASON", "companyName": "D&D TRKNG AND SVCS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Delphos", "state": "OH", "userCommentCount": 103, "userLikes": 5, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20502, "content": "\n I'm not down playing farmers at all. Without them we wouldn't ahve anything to haul. It just gets frustrating\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nI'm not down playing farmers at all. Without them we wouldn't ahve anything to haul. It just gets frustrating ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-01", "dateAdded": "2011-01-13T17:58:45Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2969, "firstName": "AARON", "lastName": "SANNE", "companyName": "P & M ENTERPRISES", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "NORFOLK", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 90, "userLikes": 185, "userDislikes": 18, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20503, "content": "\n I hear and understand what your saying Jackie, and I agree, it is tough to compete. The scenario in our area, and it's literally happened, a company (small fleet) comes in, under cuts everyone by .02-.05 cents to get ALL the loads, then leaves the area, or goes broke and has to sell their trucks. The shippers then think that this is the 'new' rate that everyone should be hauling for. It hurts the local carriers, especially the 1-3 truck owner/operators. But, that's trucking! The rates here are the same ( lower with some shippers ) now with fuel $3.29 to $3.49 as they were 2 years ago when fuel was $2.50. It just doesn't make any sense to me\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nI hear and understand what your saying Jackie, and I agree, it is tough to compete. The scenario in our area, and it's literally happened, a company (small fleet) comes in, under cuts everyone by .02-.05 cents to get ALL the loads, then leaves the area, or goes broke and has to sell their trucks. The shippers then think that this is the 'new' rate that everyone should be hauling for. It hurts the local carriers, especially the 1-3 truck owner/operators. But, that's trucking! The rates here are the same ( lower with some shippers ) now with fuel $3.29 to $3.49 as they were 2 years ago when fuel was $2.50. It just doesn't make any sense to me ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-01", "dateAdded": "2011-01-13T18:09:10Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2969, "firstName": "AARON", "lastName": "SANNE", "companyName": "P & M ENTERPRISES", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "NORFOLK", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 90, "userLikes": 185, "userDislikes": 18, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20504, "content": "Exactly right! We review our lanes yearly (more in some cases) and adjust. It's a fickle industry. Some days I wonder why I'm not off somewhere warm...", "contentHtml": "Exactly right! We review our lanes yearly (more in some cases) and adjust. It's a fickle industry. Some days I wonder why I'm not off somewhere warm...", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-18", "dateAdded": "2011-01-13T21:00:49Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1332, "firstName": "JACKIE", "lastName": "MASON", "companyName": "D&D TRKNG AND SVCS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Delphos", "state": "OH", "userCommentCount": 103, "userLikes": 5, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27930, "content": "Great point! IF the brokers would just add the national fuel surcharge to EVERONE and pass it on to the buyer of the commidity or grain. Then it is just where rates should be. Take your last week and add 22%. Just where it should be! But extremely frustrating", "contentHtml": "Great point! IF the brokers would just add the national fuel surcharge to EVERONE and pass it on to the buyer of the commidity or grain. Then it is just where rates should be. Take your last week and add 22%. Just where it should be! But extremely frustrating", "parentReplyId": 20502, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-01-01", "dateAdded": "2011-01-15T23:56:13Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3500, "firstName": "JERROD", "lastName": "GRAY", "companyName": "J & J GRAY TRANSPORTATION LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Lexington", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 3, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20505, "content": "\n Good point well said!", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tGood point well said!", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-03", "dateAdded": "2011-01-16T14:53:30Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1720, "firstName": "John", "lastName": "Maddaleno", "companyName": "M BAR S RANCH", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Cincinnati", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 16, "userLikes": 37, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20506, "content": "to jackie Mason well said", "contentHtml": "to jackie Mason well said", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-03", "dateAdded": "2011-01-16T14:59:24Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1720, "firstName": "John", "lastName": "Maddaleno", "companyName": "M BAR S RANCH", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Cincinnati", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 16, "userLikes": 37, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20507, "content": "Just say NO. Don't haul cheap. Haul to make a profit so you can maintain your equipment. CSA 2010 will take care of some of these cut throat carriers because everyone knows that when your running for free you don't have money to spend to maintain the equipment. If you can't make a profit and not be hauling legal just say NO. Once again CSA will catch up to these as well.", "contentHtml": "Just say NO. Don't haul cheap. Haul to make a profit so you can maintain your equipment. CSA 2010 will take care of some of these cut throat carriers because everyone knows that when your running for free you don't have money to spend to maintain the equipment. If you can't make a profit and not be hauling legal just say NO. Once again CSA will catch up to these as well.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-18", "dateAdded": "2011-01-17T00:41:18Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3398, "firstName": "DAVID", "lastName": "HAYES", "companyName": "ROSS BENNETT TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Galena", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 236, "userLikes": 105, "userDislikes": 112, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20508, "content": "\n Fuel Sur-Charges don't work well with bulk commodities, because of how they are marketed. The FSC's seem to always be absorbed by some middleman's margin!\n Rates will have to come or they won't get thier stuff hauled. There is more flexablity in those contracts then is let on, and if thier isn't will that is thier problem, why should carriers go broke for thier lack of insight!", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tFuel Sur-Charges don't work well with bulk commodities, because of how they are marketed. The FSC's seem to always be absorbed by some middleman's margin! \r\n\tRates will have to come or they won't get thier stuff hauled. There is more flexablity in those contracts then is let on, and if thier isn't will that is thier problem, why should carriers go broke for thier lack of insight!", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-31", "dateAdded": "2011-01-17T01:47:59Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1691, "firstName": "HANS", "lastName": "WITT", "companyName": "HANS WITT", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "ROUNDUP", "state": "MT", "userCommentCount": 7, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20509, "content": "What about trucking co. that broker, or brokers who claim to be trucking Companys? Farmers like like money just the same as everyone else.", "contentHtml": "What about trucking co. that broker, or brokers who claim to be trucking Companys? Farmers like like money just the same as everyone else.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-31", "dateAdded": "2011-01-17T02:05:52Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1691, "firstName": "HANS", "lastName": "WITT", "companyName": "HANS WITT", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "ROUNDUP", "state": "MT", "userCommentCount": 7, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20510, "content": "It is very important to know your cost of operation and not to undercut your bottom line. If it is too cheap then let someone else haul it. Shippers are needing reliable trucks more than ever and \"the bitterness of poor quality service lasts longer than the good taste of a cheap price\".", "contentHtml": "It is very important to know your cost of operation and not to undercut your bottom line. If it is too cheap then let someone else haul it. Shippers are needing reliable trucks more than ever and "the bitterness of poor quality service lasts longer than the good taste of a cheap price". ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-15", "dateAdded": "2011-01-17T02:12:32Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1233, "firstName": "BRUCE", "lastName": "JANZEN", "companyName": "JANZEN TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "ELBING", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 13, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27933, "content": "I second every thing you just said except the bitterness vrs. good taste, I have seen shippers dish out a lot of bitterness about poor service, but sure the hell won't pay more for good service, so a little bitter goes a long way when it tasts good!", "contentHtml": "I second every thing you just said except the bitterness vrs. good taste, I have seen shippers dish out a lot of bitterness about poor service, but sure the hell won't pay more for good service, so a little bitter goes a long way when it tasts good! ", "parentReplyId": 20510, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-31", "dateAdded": "2011-01-17T02:35:16Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1691, "firstName": "HANS", "lastName": "WITT", "companyName": "HANS WITT", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "ROUNDUP", "state": "MT", "userCommentCount": 7, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27932, "content": "Very true. We're seeing some of that happening already. It's going to be very ugly the next few years for some folks; whether on the short-driver side, or the bad score losing freight side.", "contentHtml": "Very true. We're seeing some of that happening already. It's going to be very ugly the next few years for some folks; whether on the short-driver side, or the bad score losing freight side. ", "parentReplyId": 20507, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-18", "dateAdded": "2011-01-17T20:25:31Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1332, "firstName": "JACKIE", "lastName": "MASON", "companyName": "D&D TRKNG AND SVCS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Delphos", "state": "OH", "userCommentCount": 103, "userLikes": 5, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20511, "content": "Hey Rob, I am a farmer and I own a trucking company. What shoud I do????? Stop trucking or stop farming. I run a trucking company to help support the farm some years and other years the farm supports the trucking. But I understand your frusteration. Farmers with trucks are cutting the rates by giving their hired man work for the winter and the farmer has a truck so lets undercut the truckers and keep my hired my busy. That is their mindset. I am NOT one of those farmers. I run trucks year around pulling oversize and hoppers coast to coast.", "contentHtml": "Hey Rob, I am a farmer and I own a trucking company. What shoud I do????? Stop trucking or stop farming. I run a trucking company to help support the farm some years and other years the farm supports the trucking. But I understand your frusteration. Farmers with trucks are cutting the rates by giving their hired man work for the winter and the farmer has a truck so lets undercut the truckers and keep my hired my busy. That is their mindset. I am NOT one of those farmers. I run trucks year around pulling oversize and hoppers coast to coast.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-11", "dateAdded": "2011-01-18T00:25:29Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3338, "firstName": "CLINTON", "lastName": "BERLIN", "companyName": "CM BERLIN FARMS LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "POWER", "state": "MT", "userCommentCount": 16, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20512, "content": "I will put my 2 cents in. I have no problem with farmers hauling there own grain. From their own bins or from storage at the elevator to wherever they want. When I have the problem is when they start hauling out of the elevator to wherever and it's not their grain. The people that have 20 acres, a 1000 bushel bin and run three trucks on farm tags hauling grain, feed, and drag sand needs to be shot. While I hate to be a dick the only way to stop them is to report them to the DOT. If someone wants to haul cheap then so be it, but I'm going to do all I can to make sure we are on a level playing field. That means that they have the proper tags, running the proper fuel, and everything else that a carrier has to do to comply.", "contentHtml": "I will put my 2 cents in. I have no problem with farmers hauling there own grain. From their own bins or from storage at the elevator to wherever they want. When I have the problem is when they start hauling out of the elevator to wherever and it's not their grain. The people that have 20 acres, a 1000 bushel bin and run three trucks on farm tags hauling grain, feed, and drag sand needs to be shot. While I hate to be a dick the only way to stop them is to report them to the DOT. If someone wants to haul cheap then so be it, but I'm going to do all I can to make sure we are on a level playing field. That means that they have the proper tags, running the proper fuel, and everything else that a carrier has to do to comply.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-18", "dateAdded": "2011-01-18T02:38:42Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3398, "firstName": "DAVID", "lastName": "HAYES", "companyName": "ROSS BENNETT TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Galena", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 236, "userLikes": 105, "userDislikes": 112, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20513, "content": "I will add to what I said earlier, I agree with the last gentleman, We all need to be on same playing field. That pisses me off the guy that has 20 acres and 3 trucks. I farm 5000 acres and run 10 trucks. So I am legal as they get. But I don't want to come off like the guy with 20 acres and 3 trucks. And so see these guys with old cabovers and and shotty equipment with farm fuel is wrong and they should be caught and kicked off the road.", "contentHtml": "I will add to what I said earlier, I agree with the last gentleman, We all need to be on same playing field. That pisses me off the guy that has 20 acres and 3 trucks. I farm 5000 acres and run 10 trucks. So I am legal as they get. But I don't want to come off like the guy with 20 acres and 3 trucks. And so see these guys with old cabovers and and shotty equipment with farm fuel is wrong and they should be caught and kicked off the road. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-11", "dateAdded": "2011-01-18T06:03:58Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3338, "firstName": "CLINTON", "lastName": "BERLIN", "companyName": "CM BERLIN FARMS LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "POWER", "state": "MT", "userCommentCount": 16, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27934, "content": "Gentelmen the issue is here, is not how big you spread is, or the type of equipment! The issue is that there illigetimate companys out there who are able to truck cheeper because they don't accept the responsibilitys of real trucking business! This could be some one running on farm plates and red fuel or it also can be a broker making contracts as carrier and then brokering loads out; in other words they advertives as carriers, but have none of the accountabliy of a trucking company , so they can cut the rate , right!. What about a trucking companys that operate with out any reguard for the laws, the rest us follow, ah? How many of you, are there out there?\n What the heck doses it matter if you are a 5000 arce farm or a 20 arce horse pasture, got to do with a trucking business?\n The problem is here is this_ The 5000 arce farmers who don't have a trucking company contract thier product to some sort of middle man, who subtratcs lets say 25 dollars a ton for transportation, he then turns around and hires the cheepist trucks he can find for 10 buck a ton! Pocketing 50% of the freight charges. THAT IS THE ISSUE!", "contentHtml": "Gentelmen the issue is here, is not how big you spread is, or the type of equipment! The issue is that there illigetimate companys out there who are able to truck cheeper because they don't accept the responsibilitys of real trucking business! This could be some one running on farm plates and red fuel or it also can be a broker making contracts as carrier and then brokering loads out; in other words they advertives as carriers, but have none of the accountabliy of a trucking company , so they can cut the rate , right!. What about a trucking companys that operate with out any reguard for the laws, the rest us follow, ah? How many of you, are there out there? \r\n What the heck doses it matter if you are a 5000 arce farm or a 20 arce horse pasture, got to do with a trucking business? \r\n The problem is here is this_ The 5000 arce farmers who don't have a trucking company contract thier product to some sort of middle man, who subtratcs lets say 25 dollars a ton for transportation, he then turns around and hires the cheepist trucks he can find for 10 buck a ton! Pocketing 50% of the freight charges. THAT IS THE ISSUE!", "parentReplyId": 20513, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-31", "dateAdded": "2011-01-18T15:31:06Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1691, "firstName": "HANS", "lastName": "WITT", "companyName": "HANS WITT", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "ROUNDUP", "state": "MT", "userCommentCount": 7, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20514, "content": "I belive we are our own worst enemy. I just got of the phone with a fert. dealer shipping from Inola OK to Huron SD for $1.17/mi. I told him I couldnt do it for that and he said they wewe flying ou the door at that rate. If we wouldnt haul for theese rates they would go up. I doubt theese guys are running farm plates and red fuel on the long hauls like this.", "contentHtml": "I belive we are our own worst enemy. I just got of the phone with a fert. dealer shipping from Inola OK to Huron SD for $1.17/mi. I told him I couldnt do it for that and he said they wewe flying ou the door at that rate. If we wouldnt haul for theese rates they would go up. I doubt theese guys are running farm plates and red fuel on the long hauls like this.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-03", "dateAdded": "2011-01-18T16:34:28Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 190, "firstName": "James", "lastName": "Dick", "companyName": "CIRCLE D EXPRESS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Mountain Lake", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 28, "userLikes": 14, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20515, "content": "Amen to that, Nicly stated", "contentHtml": "Amen to that, Nicly stated", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-20", "dateAdded": "2011-01-18T17:28:04Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1473, "firstName": "JOHN", "lastName": "PEMBLETON", "companyName": "FOX RIVER ENTERPRISES INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PRINCETON", "state": "IL", "userCommentCount": 2, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27931, "content": "Are you talking a mile @ $3.29 to$3.49 because thats great comparing to dry van or flat bed or any other types of trailer loads according to the load boards as there's is freight out there for .60 cents a mile and these dumb ass truckers are hauling it with there $100.00 rigs and costing them .50 cents plus for fuel a mile !!!!!! San any one explain how this works as i have two older trucks and trilaers and all of it is paid for and it going to be a struggle to make half ass living with them?\n \n \n Thanks L.Bruce( Bruce Trucking)", "contentHtml": "Are you talking a mile @ $3.29 to$3.49 because thats great comparing to dry van or flat bed or any other types of trailer loads according to the load boards as there's is freight out there for .60 cents a mile and these dumb ass truckers are hauling it with there $100.00 rigs and costing them .50 cents plus for fuel a mile !!!!!! San any one explain how this works as i have two older trucks and trilaers and all of it is paid for and it going to be a struggle to make half ass living with them? \r\n \r\n \r\n Thanks L.Bruce( Bruce Trucking)", "parentReplyId": 20503, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-13", "dateAdded": "2011-01-19T16:45:11Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3353, "firstName": "LLOYD ", "lastName": "BRUCE", "companyName": "BRUCE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MARYSVILLE ", "state": "OH", "userCommentCount": 1, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20516, "content": "\n Hey Bruce. What I'm saying is this...2 years ago, we were hauling a particular lane for .12 a bushel, and fuel cost was about $2.50 a galon. Now, fuel here is $3.35 a galon, and that same lane is paying .08 cents. A guy came in with 6 trucks, took 100 loads at .07 cents, and at the end of the month ended up selling all his trucks. Now that shipper is only willing to pay .08 cents. Several shippers in this area have lowered the rates as the fuel increases. The loads themselves aren't paying $3 per mile.\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nHey Bruce. What I'm saying is this...2 years ago, we were hauling a particular lane for .12 a bushel, and fuel cost was about $2.50 a galon. Now, fuel here is $3.35 a galon, and that same lane is paying .08 cents. A guy came in with 6 trucks, took 100 loads at .07 cents, and at the end of the month ended up selling all his trucks. Now that shipper is only willing to pay .08 cents. Several shippers in this area have lowered the rates as the fuel increases. The loads themselves aren't paying $3 per mile. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-01", "dateAdded": "2011-01-20T03:23:03Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2969, "firstName": "AARON", "lastName": "SANNE", "companyName": "P & M ENTERPRISES", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "NORFOLK", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 90, "userLikes": 185, "userDislikes": 18, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20517, "content": "Found a load today, 277 loaded miles that pays 99 cents per loaded mile. Are people nuts?", "contentHtml": "Found a load today, 277 loaded miles that pays 99 cents per loaded mile. Are people nuts?", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-18", "dateAdded": "2011-01-20T03:43:22Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3398, "firstName": "DAVID", "lastName": "HAYES", "companyName": "ROSS BENNETT TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Galena", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 236, "userLikes": 105, "userDislikes": 112, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20518, "content": "\n People are nuts if they would stop taking cheap loads just to help pay fuel and get where they want to go , and just bounce a little farther we would all be better off in the long run. Look at the BIG picture not just today . I have been doing this for over 15 years and I plan to keep on going a while but none of us will at this rate.", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tPeople are nuts if they would stop taking cheap loads just to help pay fuel and get where they want to go , and just bounce a little farther we would all be better off in the long run. Look at the BIG picture not just today . I have been doing this for over 15 years and I plan to keep on going a while but none of us will at this rate.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-03", "dateAdded": "2011-01-20T03:49:56Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 190, "firstName": "James", "lastName": "Dick", "companyName": "CIRCLE D EXPRESS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Mountain Lake", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 28, "userLikes": 14, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20519, "content": "Hans, I do agree with you. I was under the assumption that \"I\" the farmer was being peigon holed by some remarks. But I do agree with your comment about the brokers double brokering loads. I ran into that SO MUCH with reefer freight. Sometimes 3 and 4 times. I do believe that \"we\" all including farmers need to comply with all DOT rules so we are all on the same playing field. We all know how much it costs us to operate. Our bottom line and remember we have to pay ourselves. Alot of times guys do not figue that in. We all need to stick together and work towards increasing freight rates or even getting a weekly Fuel Surcharge set every week on say Tuesdays or whatever. Bottom line is I'm here to make money and I believe everyone else is too.", "contentHtml": "Hans, I do agree with you. I was under the assumption that "I" the farmer was being peigon holed by some remarks. But I do agree with your comment about the brokers double brokering loads. I ran into that SO MUCH with reefer freight. Sometimes 3 and 4 times. I do believe that "we" all including farmers need to comply with all DOT rules so we are all on the same playing field. We all know how much it costs us to operate. Our bottom line and remember we have to pay ourselves. Alot of times guys do not figue that in. We all need to stick together and work towards increasing freight rates or even getting a weekly Fuel Surcharge set every week on say Tuesdays or whatever. Bottom line is I'm here to make money and I believe everyone else is too.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-11", "dateAdded": "2011-01-20T05:54:10Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3338, "firstName": "CLINTON", "lastName": "BERLIN", "companyName": "CM BERLIN FARMS LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "POWER", "state": "MT", "userCommentCount": 16, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20520, "content": "\n I will add my two cents.\n \n This is a very tough nut to crack. You have soo many different people who are involved or can be involved in the contract process. So you are looking at a minimum of three companies typically and that number can rise to 5 or more. I have seen some complicated robbing Peter to Pay Paul scenarios. \n \n Every trucking company runs differently and has a different overhead margin that they must meet. However there are some similarities and one company should not be penalized over the other. Lets face it, some run their companies much more efficently. I say that because some companies need $1.5 per mile to break even and others may need more or less. Understanding what you have to have, want and will accept are three totally different numbers.\n \n The end user is the one that will ultimately control the price! This is based upon supply and demand along current availability on the rail lines. If the trains are running you are not likely to see the rates track in your favor. However when the trains stop or get delayed, CHA CHING!!! They need it and will pay crazy rates. I have seen it numerous times in the past. \n \n As a starting point for discussion I would calculate that the average run is about 200 miles, the average truck is going to get 5.5 mpg, the average load is around 49000 / 875 bushels which would leave you with about (0.01cents) per bushel needed to cover every (0.25 cents) rise in fuel prices. So right now you need almost 0.03 cents per bushel more to cover the load. That would be $26.25 more. \n \n I don't have a solution to the problem that all of you are faced with, all I can suggest is that you do all that you can to maximize what you need and spread the word on who to haul for and who to avoid. It is only by helping each other that a change can take place. This load board has this forum for a reason and we need to continue to take advantage of that.\n ", "contentHtml": " \r\nI will add my two cents. \r\n \r\nThis is a very tough nut to crack. You have soo many different people who are involved or can be involved in the contract process. So you are looking at a minimum of three companies typically and that number can rise to 5 or more. I have seen some complicated robbing Peter to Pay Paul scenarios. \r\n \r\nEvery trucking company runs differently and has a different overhead margin that they must meet. However there are some similarities and one company should not be penalized over the other. Lets face it, some run their companies much more efficently. I say that because some companies need $1.5 per mile to break even and others may need more or less. Understanding what you have to have, want and will accept are three totally different numbers. \r\n \r\nThe end user is the one that will ultimately control the price! This is based upon supply and demand along current availability on the rail lines. If the trains are running you are not likely to see the rates track in your favor. However when the trains stop or get delayed, CHA CHING!!! They need it and will pay crazy rates. I have seen it numerous times in the past. \r\n \r\nAs a starting point for discussion I would calculate that the average run is about 200 miles, the average truck is going to get 5.5 mpg, the average load is around 49000 / 875 bushels which would leave you with about (0.01cents) per bushel needed to cover every (0.25 cents) rise in fuel prices. So right now you need almost 0.03 cents per bushel more to cover the load. That would be $26.25 more. \r\n \r\nI don't have a solution to the problem that all of you are faced with, all I can suggest is that you do all that you can to maximize what you need and spread the word on who to haul for and who to avoid. It is only by helping each other that a change can take place. This load board has this forum for a reason and we need to continue to take advantage of that. \r\n", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-07-05", "dateAdded": "2011-01-20T23:19:45Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1994, "firstName": "CHARLES", "lastName": "DAUGHERTY", "companyName": "JIGSAW LOGISTICS GROUP, LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "DAWSONVILLE", "state": "GA", "userCommentCount": 33, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20521, "content": "Clinton i dont want u to quit either one, i just want to be right there with you on both ends,but i can only truck. My trucks have to pay for my trucks no matter how bad the year went . I would sure like to farm but thats not the way it turned out. Im not trying to beat up on you at all, you know how it works most of the time. Im sure u run into the same problems , but if your farm carries the trucks sometimes does that mean u can do it a little cheaper sometimes? You have to admit a farmer owned trucks have an advantage sometimes, but thats business and we all ( you also ) have to deal with that as it comes our way. I have alot of farmer friends, they dont ask me how to truck,and i dont ask them how to farm. I hope i didnt offend you in any way because that was not my intent. Thanks Rob", "contentHtml": "Clinton i dont want u to quit either one, i just want to be right there with you on both ends,but i can only truck. My trucks have to pay for my trucks no matter how bad the year went . I would sure like to farm but thats not the way it turned out. Im not trying to beat up on you at all, you know how it works most of the time. Im sure u run into the same problems , but if your farm carries the trucks sometimes does that mean u can do it a little cheaper sometimes? You have to admit a farmer owned trucks have an advantage sometimes, but thats business and we all ( you also ) have to deal with that as it comes our way. I have alot of farmer friends, they dont ask me how to truck,and i dont ask them how to farm. I hope i didnt offend you in any way because that was not my intent. Thanks Rob ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-07-18", "dateAdded": "2011-01-21T03:31:22Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2095, "firstName": "ROB", "lastName": "BEELER", "companyName": "R E B TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "STATE CENTER", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 19, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20522, "content": "Rob, I am not worried about it. Lets both keep the wheels turning.", "contentHtml": "Rob, I am not worried about it. Lets both keep the wheels turning.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-11", "dateAdded": "2011-01-22T06:48:45Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3338, "firstName": "CLINTON", "lastName": "BERLIN", "companyName": "CM BERLIN FARMS LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "POWER", "state": "MT", "userCommentCount": 16, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20523, "content": "\n The word here is PROFIT... There are many as in most O/O or small companies that don't have the foggiest idea how much it costs to run their truck or trucks.....So they think that they are making money with 90 cent a mile freight....Then there is a little problem...THE BACKHAUL....well your back haul is my HAUL...I have found out that the people that have cheap freight will treat you like crap...and the ones that pay well treat you well...I have had to haul cheap and all the customer wants to do is turn in freight claims....Then there was the one load that I hauled that payed me $23,000 from York,Pa to Atomic City, Id. and they treated me like a King...They were even going to fly me home if I couldn't get unloaded for the holidays...Think of it....Most general freight haulers are one blown tire from bankruptcy and when they lose their truck they will be homeless...THINK!!! And the word for today....Your 3 year old should have taught this to you......NO... When you haul a cheap load...that shows the shipper that there are those who will haul it for that and IF you pass on it...It will show them that they need to raise the price....They are not going to go broke...Why should you??? PROFIT....NO PROFIT... NO TRUCKING COMPANY...\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nThe word here is PROFIT... There are many as in most O/O or small companies that don't have the foggiest idea how much it costs to run their truck or trucks.....So they think that they are making money with 90 cent a mile freight....Then there is a little problem...THE BACKHAUL....well your back haul is my HAUL...I have found out that the people that have cheap freight will treat you like crap...and the ones that pay well treat you well...I have had to haul cheap and all the customer wants to do is turn in freight claims....Then there was the one load that I hauled that payed me $23,000 from York,Pa to Atomic City, Id. and they treated me like a King...They were even going to fly me home if I couldn't get unloaded for the holidays...Think of it....Most general freight haulers are one blown tire from bankruptcy and when they lose their truck they will be homeless...THINK!!! And the word for today....Your 3 year old should have taught this to you......NO... When you haul a cheap load...that shows the shipper that there are those who will haul it for that and IF you pass on it...It will show them that they need to raise the price....They are not going to go broke...Why should you??? PROFIT....NO PROFIT... NO TRUCKING COMPANY... ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-12", "dateAdded": "2011-01-22T17:29:48Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3078, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "PEARSON", "companyName": "C & R TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PAYSON", "state": "UT", "userCommentCount": 927, "userLikes": 225, "userDislikes": 94, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27935, "content": "Inola to New Salem ND $.93 per mile guy said it's a great back haul. Getum while there HOT! What more does a guy have to say.", "contentHtml": "Inola to New Salem ND $.93 per mile guy said it's a great back haul. Getum while there HOT! What more does a guy have to say.", "parentReplyId": 20514, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-03", "dateAdded": "2011-01-25T22:42:18Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 242, "firstName": "DALE", "lastName": "SCHUT", "companyName": "SCHUT FARMS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "CHESTER", "state": "SD", "userCommentCount": 170, "userLikes": 2, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20524, "content": "The way i see it is, nothing is going to change, untill the way the loads get handled, before we get them, are regulated in some way. Right now brokers, people claiming to be brokers, and on and on can do what ever they want. I meen how many laws and regulations are there that we have to follow? What about them? And at times i've had to haul cheap, nothing was moving and i gotta feed the kids, what do ya do. But anyways theres more then enough room for them to bump the pay up for reputable haulers, but then it comes out of there bonuses, and we cant have that. As carriers we are at the bottom of the pole in the eyes of the broker and shippers and untill we can figure some way to be looked at as equals nothing is going to change.", "contentHtml": "The way i see it is, nothing is going to change, untill the way the loads get handled, before we get them, are regulated in some way. Right now brokers, people claiming to be brokers, and on and on can do what ever they want. I meen how many laws and regulations are there that we have to follow? What about them? And at times i've had to haul cheap, nothing was moving and i gotta feed the kids, what do ya do. But anyways theres more then enough room for them to bump the pay up for reputable haulers, but then it comes out of there bonuses, and we cant have that. As carriers we are at the bottom of the pole in the eyes of the broker and shippers and untill we can figure some way to be looked at as equals nothing is going to change. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-01-25", "dateAdded": "2011-01-26T00:12:18Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3751, "firstName": "JERRY", "lastName": "BOWMAN", "companyName": "JERRY D BOWMAN", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PLATTSMOUTH", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 1, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20525, "content": "you are right on that one", "contentHtml": "you are right on that one", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-06-23", "dateAdded": "2011-01-26T21:30:50Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1915, "firstName": "WILLIAM", "lastName": "FEELY", "companyName": "FEELY'S SERVICE LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Medicine Lodge", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 1, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20526, "content": "last year i had a guy (well known broker) call me and ask if i would make a round for him beans to the port and fret back north .8 cents a bu down and $15 a ton back 532 miles on the round and it would had kicked me out in the middle of no where...WHAT??...i ask him if i heard him right on the .8 cents on the 205 mile trip to the port and he said yeah i have famers comming to get fert that had been bringing it down here for that ... NOT knockin farmers just want to throw that out there", "contentHtml": "last year i had a guy (well known broker) call me and ask if i would make a round for him beans to the port and fret back north .8 cents a bu down and $15 a ton back 532 miles on the round and it would had kicked me out in the middle of no where...WHAT??...i ask him if i heard him right on the .8 cents on the 205 mile trip to the port and he said yeah i have famers comming to get fert that had been bringing it down here for that ... NOT knockin farmers just want to throw that out there", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-03-05", "dateAdded": "2011-01-27T02:33:13Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 466, "firstName": "RONNIE", "lastName": "WHITE", "companyName": "DOUBLE W", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "SPRING HILL", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 12, "userLikes": 2, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27937, "content": "I second this statement", "contentHtml": "I second this statement", "parentReplyId": 20523, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-31", "dateAdded": "2011-02-11T16:43:00Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1691, "firstName": "HANS", "lastName": "WITT", "companyName": "HANS WITT", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "ROUNDUP", "state": "MT", "userCommentCount": 7, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20527, "content": "Hey guys, not all of us farmers are stupid. We haul grain about 70 miles each way for .30 per bushel.", "contentHtml": "Hey guys, not all of us farmers are stupid. We haul grain about 70 miles each way for .30 per bushel.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-03", "dateAdded": "2011-02-11T19:38:01Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3258, "firstName": "DAVID ", "lastName": "DEMSKI", "companyName": "DAVID DEMSKI", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "EAU CLAIRE", "state": "MI", "userCommentCount": 1, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 27936, "content": "If no one hauls these loads then they have to raise the rate. And if these loads are really flying out the door or not, who knows. Let the other dummies haul them. There should be room for adjustment. And maybe there is some. The name of the game in the brokerages (from what I was told) is you take a load for $2.00 a mile or whatever. Then you find a dummy to haul it for cheap and pocket the profit and your brokerage fee. I ain't sayin all brokerages are screwing dogs. Just most. And I ain't saying a business shouldn't make money but if what I was told is true than maybe a brokerage needs to take the hit a bit too. Maybe that's already happening. I don't know. I drive the truck. But in the end we all need to say no to cheap freight. No backhaul rate. No haul this cheap one to get to a good load. Paying fuel and wages isn't enough anymore. Here to make a living. Not to get rich by cheating or screwing anyone over. But a living is not too much to ask for anyone in the business.", "contentHtml": " If no one hauls these loads then they have to raise the rate. And if these loads are really flying out the door or not, who knows. Let the other dummies haul them. There should be room for adjustment. And maybe there is some. The name of the game in the brokerages (from what I was told) is you take a load for $2.00 a mile or whatever. Then you find a dummy to haul it for cheap and pocket the profit and your brokerage fee. I ain't sayin all brokerages are screwing dogs. Just most. And I ain't saying a business shouldn't make money but if what I was told is true than maybe a brokerage needs to take the hit a bit too. Maybe that's already happening. I don't know. I drive the truck. But in the end we all need to say no to cheap freight. No backhaul rate. No haul this cheap one to get to a good load. Paying fuel and wages isn't enough anymore. Here to make a living. Not to get rich by cheating or screwing anyone over. But a living is not too much to ask for anyone in the business.", "parentReplyId": 20514, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-10-26", "dateAdded": "2011-02-12T01:05:08Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 2909, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "CWACH", "companyName": "LONG RANGE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "YANKTON", "state": "SD", "userCommentCount": 32, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20528, "content": "\n On the fuel surcharge..It currently 48 cents per mile...SOOOOOOOO where is all of this money going...it sure isn't going to the truck....maybe to somebodys pocket....\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nOn the fuel surcharge..It currently 48 cents per mile...SOOOOOOOO where is all of this money going...it sure isn't going to the truck....maybe to somebodys pocket.... ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-12", "dateAdded": "2011-02-12T01:59:26Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3078, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "PEARSON", "companyName": "C & R TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PAYSON", "state": "UT", "userCommentCount": 927, "userLikes": 225, "userDislikes": 94, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20529, "content": "\n On the fuel surcharge..It currently 48 cents per mile...SOOOOOOOO where is all of this money going...it sure isn't going to the truck....maybe to somebodys pocket....\n", "contentHtml": " \r\nOn the fuel surcharge..It currently 48 cents per mile...SOOOOOOOO where is all of this money going...it sure isn't going to the truck....maybe to somebodys pocket.... ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-12", "dateAdded": "2011-02-12T01:59:35Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3078, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "PEARSON", "companyName": "C & R TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PAYSON", "state": "UT", "userCommentCount": 927, "userLikes": 225, "userDislikes": 94, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 20530, "content": "let's face it nothing is gonna change as long as we keep saying yes to cheap loads just to have something to do or get from A to B. The only way to change things is if everybody say no. Ok there is always gonna be a Joe who can do it cheaper we have to live with that. the excuse that we have to take the bad paid loads to feed our family don't work .... you can't feed a family with a load that barely pays the fuel. \n I bin a o/o now for almost 20 years and if they don't want to pay me for a load the truck don't leave home. That's the way i run my business, i love driving but that doesnt mean i have to do it for free. \n And yes i got a family to feed too...", "contentHtml": " let's face it nothing is gonna change as long as we keep saying yes to cheap loads just to have something to do or get from A to B. The only way to change things is if everybody say no. Ok there is always gonna be a Joe who can do it cheaper we have to live with that. the excuse that we have to take the bad paid loads to feed our family don't work .... you can't feed a family with a load that barely pays the fuel.\r\n\r\n\tI bin a o/o now for almost 20 years and if they don't want to pay me for a load the truck don't leave home. That's the way i run my business, i love driving but that doesn’t mean i have to do it for free.\r\n\r\n\tAnd yes i got a family to feed too...", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-02-12", "dateAdded": "2011-02-12T23:00:14Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3915, "firstName": "CLAUS", "lastName": "KRISTENSEN", "companyName": "VIKING FARMS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "CHARLOTTETOWN", "state": "PE", "userCommentCount": 1, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 } ], "userDislikes": 0, "signUpDate": "2010-12-07", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0, "iSubscribe": 0 }

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WORKING WITH CARRIERS, BROKERS AND SHIPPERS AS FUEL INCREASES

Posted on Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:27 PM CST in Springfield, MO