SPREAD AXLES

I dont think there are many spreads that are only 45' the shortest i have seen is a 46' with a 9' spread and then you can only have 18000 on an axel

thats if it is a10'2" spread. you have to be careful of inner bridge as well if its to short if you plan to load over 80000

A pusher won't help you in many states, that's why he is looking for a spread. I have a 50 foot spread and I can haul 87,000 lbs in my state, and 85,500 north and south of me. But when I head out east I don't have that extra pusher hanging there doing nothing. As for pulling harder, I don't notice any difference from a spread to closed. And use continential tires on the trailer, they are made for a spread and will wear well. I would have a hard time going away from my spread.

Long story short Dan, by putting a pusher on vs a spread the pusher will be way lighter so you can haul more with the same trailer you already have, and if you shop around you can pick up a used pusher anywhere from $1000-2000 new there around $3,500 hope this helps.

www.stengelbros.com $3320 to be exact and I dont remember saying anything about a stock pile???? And the pusher is still lighter with the same truck then with any spread by far and still haul more legally!!! And if you read what I stated 230" or less you will be in trouble not over 230"!!

You are still missing the fact that a pusher does you no good in the majority of states. If you only run in the middle of the country, than fine, get a pusher and/or a triple, but if you need something that can do it all, than thats where the spread is nice. If there was one set up that worked for everyone, than that would be the way to go, but everyone has different needs for their type of operation.

No your not understanding what I'm telling you, with a pusher and a tandem trailer your gross wieght will be lighter by at least 500lbs then the same truck with the lightest spread cornhusker you can find , so why in the world would anyone want to wiegh more and be able to haul less with a spread!

wow very well said dale. i am on the east coast with a closed tandem dump and can axle out better than most of the spreads around me just because i have a light wieght trailer. everyone i know with a spread is nocking on 32000 with half tank of fuel.

What was Iowa thinking anyway.

well probably the same reason people only want to work 30-40 hrs a week but want payed for 60-70, and fyi i've got a very light truck with the pusher that can do 53,000 and still be under 80,000 and thats with a heavey older timpte, a new husker would add atleast 1,500.

ITS SAD, ALL THE TALK OF THIS AND THAT..... FUEL MILEAGES, WEIGHTS,..... WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A GOOD LIVING AT 25 TON, 5 MPG. BUT NOOO....... GOT TO PINCH PENNIES CUZ OF THESE BROKERS, RATE CUTTERS, AND CONCRETE COWBOYS WHO HOLD STEERING WHEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i wasnt referring to you as one..... i must of hit reply with quote.... just stating that its hard to make a living with a truck i wanna drive, a big w9 with a big block that gets down the road! and that referring to concrete cowboys
as RATE CUTTERS.

if i had to buy a slope nose..... it be a 660, STILL A KW!!!

My W9 is a 96... PAID FOR! Slowly but surely redoing it. The only payment i have is my trailer, and its still hard to find loads that are worth getting in the old gal and goin truckin. I dont have to get in it and haul cheap just to hope i break even at the end of the day!!! I too sir have a family, I have 5 of us to feed. But we live very simple, no debt...etc... MY CHOICE. I can barely scale 25 ton and average 5mpg and that should be enough to make a living!!!! If you can get more than that on....or better mpg's more power to you, more in your pocket.!

Seriously people, why cant you see that a spread axle trailer is going to be at least 500-1000 lbs heavier then if you put on a pusher axle! I know I have owned spreads and now own pushers and for going 86,000-87,000 someone better do some checking cause the federal bridge law states for 5 axles is only 85,500 so I believe the feds kinda trump the state laws. I'm just over 27,400 with fuel in the truck and gear also ready to roll down the road with 6 axles under me,call me crazy but I like the idea of being able to do 60,500 in some states and still go 52,500 every where else, where most on here are just doing 50,000-51,000 with there heavey trucks and 55,000-56,000 if they got a spread!

Better yet let us all run what all the manufacturer's rate most all single a single axle's at 20,000lbs.Either way I'm in for whatever it takes to be more profitable.

With the regulations of the ICC there wasn't the brokers like there are today...We hauled 73,000 lbs and WE MADE MONEY....For those that comkplain about the trucking company brokers saying that they were getting the lousy loads...Well yeah...Why should one put that bad load on the company truck...and loose money? brokerage always used to be the left overs of the day..In other words the loads that they couldn't cover or the crappy loads...Brokers also used to pay 90% of the load...Now it is what ever that they can get...Nobody ever asks for a copy of the manifest billing the customer...That is your right ...are most brokers crooks? Probably 99% are just trying to make a living like you are...And then there is the one that will give you what ever they can get away with...paying you 30% 40% of the true paying of the load...And there are thousands that will jump on these loads...Gotta keep those wheels turning... Now brokers can go to a customer and tell them that they have X amount of trucks available to them...You say ohhh I have 1 or 15...BFD....Also the broker will tell them I will find the trucks to cover your loads and give you 1 bill a month...SOOOO why hasn't the O/O gotten together and form a CO-OP to compeat against the big companies and brokers? Read some of these posts on the forum even here...and that is your answer...Everybody is bitching about each other and can't stick together and fight for each other not against each other...Does UNITED WE STAND>>>>DEVIDED WE FALL..ring a bell? and you don't think that the shipper, the big company and brokers don't use that to the fullest...Just like the states and theire axle and weight requirements...If you think it is all screwed up...try hauling a 200,000 lbs load from lets say New York to California...You will unload that load at least once to put back on another trailer....With general commodities over 80,000 lbs you will haul basicly for free..permits,tires different trailers, more fuel , more wear and tear...And just where can you haul it? It is all job security for the trucking company in that state....Let alone go inter state....I will give you a good example..In Nevada to haul 129,000 lbs you will be at 105 feet and have 9 axles...Permit is $60 per 1000 lbs...You will chain up all day long pulling that boat anchor in back. in the winter,get about 3 1/2 mpg..Tire wear is unbelievable...Now for that truck to go into Utah...105 ft needs a special permit telling them where you are going and where you are going to pull over for what ever...and only on the interstate.....And if you want to go a certain way...94 ft and a lot less weight...The game that these states play just for their own companies...They all do it...Look at the coal trucks in the coal country..Thinlk tyou can run those in Alabama or where ever? If everybody were to just haul 80,000 lbs and stuck to it..The customer would pay accordingly...But like I said before Nobody sticks together..and divided we fall...

So you like to belittle people? This is the reason that trucking is so screwed up..It is all me ...me ...me...and screw you...and we have to put up with you until you go broke..Politicians never listen to us..It's been about 100 years that beer was a nickel...and you don't know me...or my clothing that I wear...So go do your me...me ...me with somebody else...and have your mom check yours.

Still out there belittling people...How childish...So what if you bought a new Jeep..You don't know my business and I will not tell you.. I do not need to do any leg work because I have good paying loyal customers... It is ones attitude like yours that has changed AMERICA for the worse...You sir are part of the problem..Not the solution..as it apparent with your other posts...

Belittle means to make one look less than you... and it is still childish...Or are you the great one? Experience gives one insight and knowledge as it isnot as you put it Bitching......It is apparent that you don't have it.. As for your Jeep..It is just a write off.. BFD

.35Cpm less that is.

🤦‍♂️...This is the problem with the trucking industry...😔

I disagree. The only problem this industry has, is with experienced people standing on the sidelines shaking their heads, watching mistakes happen and choosing to laugh instead of teach. But I suppose it's easier to just sit there and not help isn't it? It takes effort to help the new people, and that's out of the question. The path of least resistance always wins. Nothing personal against you. Your posts clearly give the impression you have a ton of experience in this industry. Why not teach him?

Surely not ! Doesn't matter where you load in front hopper, that's all in fifth wheel setting. Do you have an air ride front axle ?

I have an 89 pete 379 ,big sit down sleeper,B model cat.ravens 4o ft.spread dump quarter tank of fuel. 30600