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Jun 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM CST
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looking for a 2006-2009 timpte hopper spread axle hopper with 2 rows of nine lights and vibrator brakets no taller than 72" inside or longer than 45' having a hard time with axle weights on my fixed tandem so figured the spread axle would cure all the problems
Replied on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:13 PM CST

I dont think there are many spreads that are only 45' the shortest i have seen is a 46' with a 9' spread and then you can only have 18000 on an axel
Replied on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:16 PM CST
well right now i can only put 11 ton on my front hopper since my truck is heavy and i thought with a spread its 20,000lbs
Replied on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM CST
Quote: "well right now i can only put 11 ton on my front hopper since my truck is heavy and i thought with a spread its 20,000lbs"


thats if it is a10'2" spread. you have to be careful of inner bridge as well if its to short if you plan to load over 80000
Replied on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:49 PM CST
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Quote: "well right now i can only put 11 ton on my front hopper since my truck is heavy and i thought with a spread its 20,000lbs"


A 49' or 50' really does the trick. If only loading for 80,000, put 22k about 2-3' up the slope from the front trap of the front hopper, and 28k in the back. It will axle you at about 11,750 on the steers, 32,000 on the drives, and 36,000 on the trailer. My empty weight with 1/2 fuel is 32k. This is the way we load our spreads and triples and it works perfect every time. You can run 40k on a 10' 1" spread. Hope this helps.
Replied on Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 09:19 PM CST
A pusher won't help you in many states, that's why he is looking for a spread. I have a 50 foot spread and I can haul 87,000 lbs in my state, and 85,500 north and south of me. But when I head out east I don't have that extra pusher hanging there doing nothing. As for pulling harder, I don't notice any difference from a spread to closed. And use continential tires on the trailer, they are made for a spread and will wear well. I would have a hard time going away from my spread.
Replied on Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:15 PM CST
Quote: "A pusher won't help you in many states, that's why he is looking for a spread. I have a 50 foot spread and I can haul 87,000 lbs in my state, and 85,500 north and south of me. But when I head out east I don't have that extra pusher hanging there doing nothing. As for pulling harder, I don't notice any difference from a spread to closed. And use continential tires on the trailer, they are made for a spread and will wear well. I would have a hard time going away from my spread."

I sold a 2003 wilson 50 ft spread last year (SMARTEST THING I EVER DID) and by putting on the pusher with steel rims I only gained 1400 lbs but I made that up with almost 2,000lbs in a shorter tandem trailer net loss of 600 lbs then some, plus the advantage in some states to go more then what you can with a spread. And as for you going 87,000 with a 50 ft spread federal bridge law on 4 axles state's at best would be 74500 lbs at 49ft bridge giving you the benefit of the doubt you only lose a foot at the rear bumper to center of axle which most is or at least my trailer was 1 1/2 ft not counting the front of your trailer had better be over the center of your front drive axle also if you have a short wheel base truck 230 or less will probably throw you well past 12,000 on your steers, so you will be atleast 500 lbs shy for 87,000 lbs more likely 1000lbs, and as for the pusher just hanging there I dont know why you wouldnt use it so you could load easier or is that to much brain thinking to put more of the load up front instead of in the back! But some like have that wasted 5ft dance floor that them spreads have in the back, and also like having harder times making tight corners cause we all know those spreads turn so easy.
Replied on Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:33 PM CST
Long story short Dan, by putting a pusher on vs a spread the pusher will be way lighter so you can haul more with the same trailer you already have, and if you shop around you can pick up a used pusher anywhere from $1000-2000 new there around $3,500 hope this helps.
Replied on Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:01 PM CST
Would like to know where the stockpile of $3,500 pushers is....last time I checked a steerable 12k silent drive was double that.... SD allows 13,200 on the steers, 34 and 40 - thats yer 87k an I'll get 12,800 on my 270" wb truck with a closed tandem behind so I know the 13,200 can be done.
Replied on Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:39 PM CST
Quote: "Would like to know where the stockpile of $3,500 pushers is....last time I checked a steerable 12k silent drive was double that.... SD allows 13,200 on the steers, 34 and 40 - thats yer 87k an I'll get 12,800 on my 270" wb truck with a closed tandem behind so I know the 13,200 can be done."

www.stengelbros.com $3320 to be exact and I dont remember saying anything about a stock pile???? And the pusher is still lighter with the same truck then with any spread by far and still haul more legally!!! And if you read what I stated 230" or less you will be in trouble not over 230"!!
Replied on Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:44 PM CST

Oh forgot you mentioned steerable, there $1000 more at $4300 if you cant handle a non-steerable.

Replied on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM CST
You are still missing the fact that a pusher does you no good in the majority of states. If you only run in the middle of the country, than fine, get a pusher and/or a triple, but if you need something that can do it all, than thats where the spread is nice. If there was one set up that worked for everyone, than that would be the way to go, but everyone has different needs for their type of operation.
Replied on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 01:20 AM CST
Quote: "You are still missing the fact that a pusher does you no good in the majority of states. If you only run in the middle of the country, than fine, get a pusher and/or a triple, but if you need something that can do it all, than thats where the spread is nice. If there was one set up that worked for everyone, than that would be the way to go, but everyone has different needs for their type of operation. "

He probably doesn't have the room for a pusher....
Replied on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 09:38 AM CST
Quote: "You are still missing the fact that a pusher does you no good in the majority of states. If you only run in the middle of the country, than fine, get a pusher and/or a triple, but if you need something that can do it all, than thats where the spread is nice. If there was one set up that worked for everyone, than that would be the way to go, but everyone has different needs for their type of operation. "

No your not understanding what I'm telling you, with a pusher and a tandem trailer your gross wieght will be lighter by at least 500lbs then the same truck with the lightest spread cornhusker you can find , so why in the world would anyone want to wiegh more and be able to haul less with a spread!
Replied on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 03:08 PM CST
Why not just get a decent light truck and most any trailer and haul 52-54000 anywhere. That's what we did. Most of the rate cutting I have seen comes from someone with a spread or more axles, because they can haul more per trip even though it's a proven fact it costs more to run that truck.
Replied on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 04:10 PM CST
Quote: "Why not just get a decent light truck and most any trailer and haul 52-54000 anywhere. That's what we did. Most of the rate cutting I have seen comes from someone with a spread or more axles, because they can haul more per trip even though it's a proven fact it costs more to run that truck."

wow very well said dale. i am on the east coast with a closed tandem dump and can axle out better than most of the spreads around me just because i have a light wieght trailer. everyone i know with a spread is nocking on 32000 with half tank of fuel.

Replied on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 04:17 PM CST
I agree with you 100% Dale. We have both, very lightweight 5 Axle units that can haul 54,000 every time, and we also have 3, 7 axles units that stay in IA, and it does cost way more to operate and maintain those 7 axle rigs. Especially here in IA where we can only run on state highways, our fuel mileage is atleast 1.5 mpg less running 96,000 than it is running 80,000. Not to mention the rig is 8 foot longer, more tires, brakes, and everything else.
Replied on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 05:21 PM CST
Quote: "I agree with you 100% Dale. We have both, very lightweight 5 Axle units that can haul 54,000 every time, and we also have 3, 7 axles units that stay in IA, and it does cost way more to operate and maintain those 7 axle rigs. Especially here in IA where we can only run on state highways, our fuel mileage is atleast 1.5 mpg less running 96,000 than it is running 80,000. Not to mention the rig is 8 foot longer, more tires, brakes, and everything else."

What was Iowa thinking anyway.
Replied on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 05:31 PM CST
Quote: "Why not just get a decent light truck and most any trailer and haul 52-54000 anywhere. That's what we did. Most of the rate cutting I have seen comes from someone with a spread or more axles, because they can haul more per trip even though it's a proven fact it costs more to run that truck."


Dale you are so right on this...Some just look at the gross only and not the net...It is the net that counts...
Replied on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 06:48 PM CST
Quote: "Why not just get a decent light truck and most any trailer and haul 52-54000 anywhere. That's what we did. Most of the rate cutting I have seen comes from someone with a spread or more axles, because they can haul more per trip even though it's a proven fact it costs more to run that truck."

well probably the same reason people only want to work 30-40 hrs a week but want payed for 60-70, and fyi i've got a very light truck with the pusher that can do 53,000 and still be under 80,000 and thats with a heavey older timpte, a new husker would add atleast 1,500.
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:05 AM CST
We operate 98% at home in KS. Ordered new KW 660's in '09 and '10. Stamp weight 15K. Not stripped work trucks. VIT, dual heated leather seats, sunroof, full gages, PW/PL, 38" Aercab sleeper (IF we ever have to stay out) ISM Cummins, 10sp Auto-shift, 3.90 gears, wide-based singles, Luverne bumper guards. Ordered 2 2012 Timpte American Ag tandems. Stamp weight 7.7K. Aulumin king and sub-frame, elect trap, hyd traps, 2/9 lights, SS rear panel/ w liner, enclosed kingpin (to keep mud/snow from collecting) wide-based singles on dura brights w/ PSI system. These outfits full on fuel @ 150 gal weigh 24.400lbs. That's 1000bu of corn anyday of the week. I'm sure if we "cleaned house" alittle, we could save acouple hundred off of that. We can run interstate which in many cases, saves miles. These trucks ave 6.3mpg. I debated upgrading to a triple this time, but with only gaining 2500-3K at best, it didn't make sense to me, and I didn't want a 50 ft spread and the potential loss in fuel mileage. This combilation might not work for all, but works very well for us.
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:13 AM CST
Quote: "We operate 98% at home in KS. Ordered new KW 660's in '09 and '10. Stamp weight 15K. Not stripped work trucks. VIT, dual heated leather seats, sunroof, full gages, PW/PL, 38" Aercab sleeper (IF we ever have to stay out) ISM Cummins, 10sp Auto-shift, 3.90 gears, wide-based singles, Luverne bumper guards. Ordered 2 2012 Timpte American Ag tandems. Stamp weight 7.7K. Aulumin king and sub-frame, elect trap, hyd traps, 2/9 lights, SS rear panel/ w liner, enclosed kingpin (to keep mud/snow from collecting) wide-based singles on dura brights w/ PSI system. These outfits full on fuel @ 150 gal weigh 24.400lbs. That's 1000bu of corn anyday of the week. I'm sure if we "cleaned house" alittle, we could save acouple hundred off of that. We can run interstate which in many cases, saves miles. These trucks ave 6.3mpg. I debated upgrading to a triple this time, but with only gaining 2500-3K at best, it didn't make sense to me, and I didn't want a 50 ft spread and the potential loss in fuel mileage. This combilation might not work for all, but works very well for us."

ITS SAD, ALL THE TALK OF THIS AND THAT..... FUEL MILEAGES, WEIGHTS,..... WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A GOOD LIVING AT 25 TON, 5 MPG. BUT NOOO....... GOT TO PINCH PENNIES CUZ OF THESE BROKERS, RATE CUTTERS, AND CONCRETE COWBOYS WHO HOLD STEERING WHEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM CST
I agree with the 25 ton theory, but that's not the way that usually works. I see guys running "hoods" making 5mpg and I wonder how they do it at $4 fuel. Truth is they can't. And every broker should own a truck so they see what it costs to run it. Most brokers down here figure on 950bu. of corn, Most guys here can't even scale that on a tandem. I don't make the rules, but have to play by them,....so when I order equipment, I spec it as best I can for the states I run in, and a light truck with a tandem works well. Proper speccing of equipment pays everytime. We don't stay in the trucks so why have a big sleeper? Most guys around here are home at night, yet run an old hood with a big sleeper....no reason for it. If I ran Nebr more, then I "might" have considered the triple alittle more. I'm just a young businessman that cwns/operates trucks...I'm not a "concrete cowboy"
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:43 PM CST
Quote: "I agree with the 25 ton theory, but that's not the way that usually works. I see guys running "hoods" making 5mpg and I wonder how they do it at $4 fuel. Truth is they can't. And every broker should own a truck so they see what it costs to run it. Most brokers down here figure on 950bu. of corn, Most guys here can't even scale that on a tandem. I don't make the rules, but have to play by them,....so when I order equipment, I spec it as best I can for the states I run in, and a light truck with a tandem works well. Proper speccing of equipment pays everytime. We don't stay in the trucks so why have a big sleeper? Most guys around here are home at night, yet run an old hood with a big sleeper....no reason for it. If I ran Nebr more, then I "might" have considered the triple alittle more. I'm just a young businessman that cwns/operates trucks...I'm not a "concrete cowboy""

i wasnt referring to you as one..... i must of hit reply with quote.... just stating that its hard to make a living with a truck i wanna drive, a big w9 with a big block that gets down the road! and that referring to concrete cowboys
as RATE CUTTERS.
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 01:12 PM CST
LOL! It's alright.....no offence taken here. I love the look of an 'old school" hood, just these 660's fit my image and operation better.
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 01:26 PM CST
if i had to buy a slope nose..... it be a 660, STILL A KW!!!
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 04:58 PM CST
Quote: "ITS SAD, ALL THE TALK OF THIS AND THAT..... FUEL MILEAGES, WEIGHTS,..... WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A GOOD LIVING AT 25 TON, 5 MPG. BUT NOOO....... GOT TO PINCH PENNIES CUZ OF THESE BROKERS, RATE CUTTERS, AND CONCRETE COWBOYS WHO HOLD STEERING WHEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Well,I agree but after 2 years of not making crap and sitting around home alot and nothing changing in rates that stayed steady, I had to make a choice make money or go broke looking good!! Well I love my family to much to see them suffer so I swallowed my pride and bought a century class and dropped 3,000lbs from that beautiful w900L, So if you know how to change things please let us all know so I can get me a w900L back under my butt!!!!!!
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 05:15 PM CST
Quote: "Well,I agree but after 2 years of not making crap and sitting around home alot and nothing changing in rates that stayed steady, I had to make a choice make money or go broke looking good!! Well I love my family to much to see them suffer so I swallowed my pride and bought a century class and dropped 3,000lbs from that beautiful w900L, So if you know how to change things please let us all know so I can get me a w900L back under my butt!!!!!!"

My W9 is a 96... PAID FOR! Slowly but surely redoing it. The only payment i have is my trailer, and its still hard to find loads that are worth getting in the old gal and goin truckin. I dont have to get in it and haul cheap just to hope i break even at the end of the day!!! I too sir have a family, I have 5 of us to feed. But we live very simple, no debt...etc... MY CHOICE. I can barely scale 25 ton and average 5mpg and that should be enough to make a living!!!! If you can get more than that on....or better mpg's more power to you, more in your pocket.!
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 06:08 PM CST
The rates I totally agree with you on they suck!!!!! But after selling my 1999 w900L I bought the truck I have now and put 4 grand in savings, and I also live very simple and pull a 94 timtpe with all of it payed for in cash! So you can bitch and moan and live in the past or make a change. Thats whats so great about being an american so good luck and happy trucking and to all a safe 4TH!
Replied on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:12 PM CST

I started 6 years ago with a beautiful 1995 T600. 72" AeroDyne. 28,500 lbs and paid for. Then as i could afford to expand/upgrade I did. The last three trucks were ordered new, starting with a 2008 T800, 32" ISX 13sp. and then to the current trucks. I don't run hard at all, running under 100K a year. But the weight savings of 4,000lbs, from what I started with to what run now is atleast $10,000/ yr for doing nothing. My 2008 Timptes were paid for, and sold locally when I ordered the 2012's. Yes I do have payments. But I pay ahead on my notes to build equity fast. The goal is, by running new equipment (and hopfully keeping it out of the shop) I built equity instead of running an old truck and constantly reparing it. (Did that with the 1995) Each time I trade the payments and terms get smaller, and eventually I'll trade new for cash. I have a fortunate situation, I drive one myself, and have a older "retired" gentleman drive the 2010. If i had to run a fleet and hire many drivers, i might rethink my purchasing strategy. Overall, trucking has treated me well...I don't live any better than the neighbors in my middle class neighborhood, and i'm quite comfortable. I have many good local customers I haul for. Unfortunatlly there are many folks who will haul cheap,...let them wear out their equipment....you'll survive when they go broke.

Replied on Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 01:35 AM CST
Quote: "well right now i can only put 11 ton on my front hopper since my truck is heavy and i thought with a spread its 20,000lbs"

this is Shannon Tiedt of tnt trucking for a spread u want a 10 2 spread. u can have 40000 lbs on spread put 11ton front load rest in back hopper i know i have a 99 47ft 10 2 spread with a 92 pete 379 works great with my heavy truck. My empty weight is 29,200 with 150 gallons of fuel. If u pull that spread out west hall 85500 to 86000 leagal and make some dolars.
Replied on Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:24 PM CST
Seriously people, why cant you see that a spread axle trailer is going to be at least 500-1000 lbs heavier then if you put on a pusher axle! I know I have owned spreads and now own pushers and for going 86,000-87,000 someone better do some checking cause the federal bridge law states for 5 axles is only 85,500 so I believe the feds kinda trump the state laws. I'm just over 27,400 with fuel in the truck and gear also ready to roll down the road with 6 axles under me,call me crazy but I like the idea of being able to do 60,500 in some states and still go 52,500 every where else, where most on here are just doing 50,000-51,000 with there heavey trucks and 55,000-56,000 if they got a spread!
Replied on Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM CST
If all states would allow the same weight and bridges we all would be better off. My personal prefference would be all go back to 80,000. I think it would hault a lot of the rate cutting. The only issue is it would take more drivers which are short already. But then again maybe the rates would be better to justify more driver pay. It's not like there's no unemployment.
Replied on Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 02:30 PM CST
Quote: "If all states would allow the same weight and bridges we all would be better off. My personal prefference would be all go back to 80,000. I think it would hault a lot of the rate cutting. The only issue is it would take more drivers which are short already. But then again maybe the rates would be better to justify more driver pay. It's not like there's no unemployment."

Better yet let us all run what all the manufacturer's rate most all single a single axle's at 20,000lbs.Either way I'm in for whatever it takes to be more profitable.
Replied on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 03:58 PM CST
I disagree with "brokers should own a truck or have leased trucks." When I talk to these brokers that have trucks of their own and talk to the drivers of these trucks, the broker owned trucks are getting the loads with the best rates and destinations and then I get offered what is left over. It would also be great if we had a level playing field on the truck weights, sizes and rules. You live in one area of the country and can't be competitive with long haul loads to some areas because those trucks in that area have different rules to work with. In Arizona I can only haul 80,000 gross, but go to Texas and they can haul 84,000 gross, but being from AZ I can't buy a permit to go to 84,000. So if I haul a load to the east side of Texas and want to haul a load to the west side of Texas to reload home I can't be as competitive because I have to leave 4000 Lbs behind. Should be one set of rules for all.

Art Pfluger

Road Warriors Trans
Replied on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 04:42 PM CST
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With the regulations of the ICC there wasn't the brokers like there are today...We hauled 73,000 lbs and WE MADE MONEY....For those that comkplain about the trucking company brokers saying that they were getting the lousy loads...Well yeah...Why should one put that bad load on the company truck...and loose money? brokerage always used to be the left overs of the day..In other words the loads that they couldn't cover or the crappy loads...Brokers also used to pay 90% of the load...Now it is what ever that they can get...Nobody ever asks for a copy of the manifest billing the customer...That is your right ...are most brokers crooks? Probably 99% are just trying to make a living like you are...And then there is the one that will give you what ever they can get away with...paying you 30% 40% of the true paying of the load...And there are thousands that will jump on these loads...Gotta keep those wheels turning... Now brokers can go to a customer and tell them that they have X amount of trucks available to them...You say ohhh I have 1 or 15...BFD....Also the broker will tell them I will find the trucks to cover your loads and give you 1 bill a month...SOOOO why hasn't the O/O gotten together and form a CO-OP to compeat against the big companies and brokers? Read some of these posts on the forum even here...and that is your answer...Everybody is bitching about each other and can't stick together and fight for each other not against each other...Does UNITED WE STAND>>>>DEVIDED WE FALL..ring a bell? and you don't think that the shipper, the big company and brokers don't use that to the fullest...Just like the states and theire axle and weight requirements...If you think it is all screwed up...try hauling a 200,000 lbs load from lets say New York to California...You will unload that load at least once to put back on another trailer....With general commodities over 80,000 lbs you will haul basicly for free..permits,tires different trailers, more fuel , more wear and tear...And just where can you haul it? It is all job security for the trucking company in that state....Let alone go inter state....I will give you a good example..In Nevada to haul 129,000 lbs you will be at 105 feet and have 9 axles...Permit is $60 per 1000 lbs...You will chain up all day long pulling that boat anchor in back. in the winter,get about 3 1/2 mpg..Tire wear is unbelievable...Now for that truck to go into Utah...105 ft needs a special permit telling them where you are going and where you are going to pull over for what ever...and only on the interstate.....And if you want to go a certain way...94 ft and a lot less weight...The game that these states play just for their own companies...They all do it...Look at the coal trucks in the coal country..Thinlk tyou can run those in Alabama or where ever? If everybody were to just haul 80,000 lbs and stuck to it..The customer would pay accordingly...But like I said before Nobody sticks together..and divided we fall...
Replied on Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 09:01 AM CST
Quote: "With the regulations of the ICC there wasn't the brokers like there are today...We hauled 73,000 lbs and WE MADE MONEY....For those that comkplain about the trucking company brokers saying that they were getting the lousy loads...Well yeah...Why should one put that bad load on the company truck...and loose money? brokerage always used to be the left overs of the day..In other words the loads that they couldn't cover or the crappy loads...Brokers also used to pay 90% of the load...Now it is what ever that they can get...Nobody ever asks for a copy of the manifest billing the customer...That is your right ...are most brokers crooks? Probably 99% are just trying to make a living like you are...And then there is the one that will give you what ever they can get away with...paying you 30% 40% of the true paying of the load...And there are thousands that will jump on these loads...Gotta keep those wheels turning... Now brokers can go to a customer and tell them that they have X amount of trucks available to them...You say ohhh I have 1 or 15...BFD....Also the broker will tell them I will find the trucks to cover your loads and give you 1 bill a month...SOOOO why hasn't the O/O gotten together and form a CO-OP to compeat against the big companies and brokers? Read some of these posts on the forum even here...and that is your answer...Everybody is bitching about each other and can't stick together and fight for each other not against each other...Does UNITED WE STAND>>>>DEVIDED WE FALL..ring a bell? and you don't think that the shipper, the big company and brokers don't use that to the fullest...Just like the states and theire axle and weight requirements...If you think it is all screwed up...try hauling a 200,000 lbs load from lets say New York to California...You will unload that load at least once to put back on another trailer....With general commodities over 80,000 lbs you will haul basicly for free..permits,tires different trailers, more fuel , more wear and tear...And just where can you haul it? It is all job security for the trucking company in that state....Let alone go inter state....I will give you a good example..In Nevada to haul 129,000 lbs you will be at 105 feet and have 9 axles...Permit is $60 per 1000 lbs...You will chain up all day long pulling that boat anchor in back. in the winter,get about 3 1/2 mpg..Tire wear is unbelievable...Now for that truck to go into Utah...105 ft needs a special permit telling them where you are going and where you are going to pull over for what ever...and only on the interstate.....And if you want to go a certain way...94 ft and a lot less weight...The game that these states play just for their own companies...They all do it...Look at the coal trucks in the coal country..Thinlk tyou can run those in Alabama or where ever? If everybody were to just haul 80,000 lbs and stuck to it..The customer would pay accordingly...But like I said before Nobody sticks together..and divided we fall..."

And the politicians that we voted in used to listen to us tax payers,and beer used to be .05 cents, so welcome to America now lets pull up those big boy pants wipe away those old tears and go trucking.
Replied on Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 01:04 PM CST
Quote: "And the politicians that we voted in used to listen to us tax payers,and beer used to be .05 cents, so welcome to America now lets pull up those big boy pants wipe away those old tears and go trucking."

So you like to belittle people? This is the reason that trucking is so screwed up..It is all me ...me ...me...and screw you...and we have to put up with you until you go broke..Politicians never listen to us..It's been about 100 years that beer was a nickel...and you don't know me...or my clothing that I wear...So go do your me...me ...me with somebody else...and have your mom check yours.

Replied on Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:10 PM CST
Quote: "So you like to belittle people? This is the reason that trucking is so screwed up..It is all me ...me ...me...and screw you...and we have to put up with you until you go broke..Politicians never listen to us..It's been about 100 years that beer was a nickel...and you don't know me...or my clothing that I wear...So go do your me...me ...me with somebody else...and have your mom check yours. "

And you love to bitch,moan and complain like a little spoiled brat and live in the past! For your info I just traded the wifes 2007 jeep off and bought a new 2011 jeep CASH!!! I owe nobody!! And also not all the rates out there are so bad where one cant make a decsent living one just might have to get off his butt and do some leg work instead of bitching on here about poor poor me and how everybody is for themselves and against you! And another thing no I dont know you or care to with a poor me attitude that you always have here! So maybe you'll be a little more positive and maybe your rates might change good day and Happy Trails!!
Replied on Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:33 PM CST
Quote: "And you love to bitch,moan and complain like a little spoiled brat and live in the past! For your info I just traded the wifes 2007 jeep off and bought a new 2011 jeep CASH!!! I owe nobody!! And also not all the rates out there are so bad where one cant make a decsent living one just might have to get off his butt and do some leg work instead of bitching on here about poor poor me and how everybody is for themselves and against you! And another thing no I dont know you or care to with a poor me attitude that you always have here! So maybe you'll be a little more positive and maybe your rates might change good day and Happy Trails!!"


Still out there belittling people...How childish...So what if you bought a new Jeep..You don't know my business and I will not tell you.. I do not need to do any leg work because I have good paying loyal customers... It is ones attitude like yours that has changed AMERICA for the worse...You sir are part of the problem..Not the solution..as it apparent with your other posts...
Replied on Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 07:19 PM CST
Quote: " Still out there belittling people...How childish...So what if you bought a new Jeep..You don't know my business and I will not tell you.. I do not need to do any leg work because I have good paying loyal customers... It is ones attitude like yours that has changed AMERICA for the worse...You sir are part of the problem..Not the solution..as it apparent with your other posts..."

You need to look up the meaning of belittle which is "to make someone or something seem unimportant" so how and the hell is that have to do with telling you you are a bitcher and moaner and to quite living in the past!!! But you turn around and tell me I'm going to go broke, thats where the new jeep came from bud! Sounds to me like your a hypocrite!
Replied on Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 07:45 PM CST
Quote: "You need to look up the meaning of belittle which is "to make someone or something seem unimportant" so how and the hell is that have to do with telling you you are a bitcher and moaner and to quite living in the past!!! But you turn around and tell me I'm going to go broke, thats where the new jeep came from bud! Sounds to me like your a hypocrite!"

Belittle means to make one look less than you... and it is still childish...Or are you the great one? Experience gives one insight and knowledge as it isnot as you put it Bitching......It is apparent that you don't have it.. As for your Jeep..It is just a write off.. BFD
Replied on Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:51 AM CST
You know I have to agree with Ron. Coming from the multi axle states (OR, WA, ID) it has been the 8 axle units are said make the bucks at 105500... The problem is if you take a heavy truck and a heavy trailer with alot of axles or even spread axle a wrong specked unit, you not saving bucks to make bucks! hoppers in general are much cheaper than belts so my opinion is bias. But take a $98K trailer versus a $45k trailer and pay the cost to run heavy, you save nothing and didn't make much more but a higher ton rate to pay the higher payment. the trick is to go short and light as possible with a spread if you can and run a four axle truck with an ultra light 8K drop (698 Lbs plus wheels and tires) and my six axle 44' spread can push 1.5 ton less than my buddies t8 with a quad. And my cost is .35 Cpm to run down the road. At the end of the year and 130K miles I think it works. My wife and 9 kids do to.
Replied on Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 01:20 PM CST
Quote: "You know I have to agree with Ron. Coming from the multi axle states (OR, WA, ID) it has been the 8 axle units are said make the bucks at 105500... The problem is if you take a heavy truck and a heavy trailer with alot of axles or even spread axle a wrong specked unit, you not saving bucks to make bucks! hoppers in general are much cheaper than belts so my opinion is bias. But take a $98K trailer versus a $45k trailer and pay the cost to run heavy, you save nothing and didn't make much more but a higher ton rate to pay the higher payment. the trick is to go short and light as possible with a spread if you can and run a four axle truck with an ultra light 8K drop (698 Lbs plus wheels and tires) and my six axle 44' spread can push 1.5 ton less than my buddies t8 with a quad. And my cost is .35 Cpm to run down the road. At the end of the year and 130K miles I think it works. My wife and 9 kids do to."

.35Cpm less that is.
Replied on Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 09:00 PM CST

I was thinking of a spread axle so I could haul 85500 here and 84k in tx , ok. Plus axle out 80k easily .

But after reading all this I think I will just get a longer trailer. Should axle out easier I would think.

I got a real long frame on this 579. Can't move weight to steers. It all sits on drives.

But I been making 5 to 7k a week but that is with hauling 85500 on every other load. Ok if I don't get caught . Not so great in Iowa, mo, ok , tx..

Be nice to do it legal but I guess that just ain't an option

Replied on Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 07:42 AM CST
🤦‍♂️...This is the problem with the trucking industry...😔
Replied on Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 07:21 AM CST
Obviously there is someone that annoys you jeff? I haven't seen a post from you for a while. Glad you're still around. Not many of us old guys. So happy you're still in contact ART PFLUGER
Replied on Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 08:01 AM CST
Quote: "🤦‍♂️...This is the problem with the trucking industry...😔"

I disagree. The only problem this industry has, is with experienced people standing on the sidelines shaking their heads, watching mistakes happen and choosing to laugh instead of teach. But I suppose it's easier to just sit there and not help isn't it? It takes effort to help the new people, and that's out of the question. The path of least resistance always wins. Nothing personal against you. Your posts clearly give the impression you have a ton of experience in this industry. Why not teach him?
Replied on Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 08:01 AM CST
Quote: "I was thinking of a spread axle so I could haul 85500 here and 84k in tx , ok. Plus axle out 80k easily . But after reading all this I think I will just get a longer trailer. Should axle out easier I would think. I got a real long frame on this 579. Can't move weight to steers. It all sits on drives. But I been making 5 to 7k a week but that is with hauling 85500 on every other load. Ok if I don't get caught . Not so great in Iowa, mo, ok , tx.. Be nice to do it legal but I guess that just ain't an option "

Move your 5th wheel plate forward to get weight on your steers. If it's not a slider, unbolt it and move it forward. My truck is a 270 wheel base and I can put as much up front as I want. As for weight, for heavens sake, don't intentionally load heavy. Ever. It's not worth it financially to you. It's hard on equipment and even harder on fuel economy. The miles you will add dodging scales will hurt as well and with you being new, 1 or 2 overweights could get your authority pulled. And it's awful on the roads. The roads the rest of us have to drive on. Loading on uneven ground trusting air gauges makes it tricky to always get legal. It's not worth it.
Replied on Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:04 PM CST
Quote: "Obviously there is someone that annoys you jeff? I haven't seen a post from you for a while. Glad you're still around. Not many of us old guys. So happy you're still in contact ART PFLUGER"

That post Jeff made was 10 years ago. Haven't heard from him in a long time.

Replied on Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 04:09 PM CST
Quote: "Move your 5th wheel plate forward to get weight on your steers. If it's not a slider, unbolt it and move it forward. My truck is a 270 wheel base and I can put as much up front as I want. As for weight, for heavens sake, don't intentionally load heavy. Ever. It's not worth it financially to you. It's hard on equipment and even harder on fuel economy. The miles you will add dodging scales will hurt as well and with you being new, 1 or 2 overweights could get your authority pulled. And it's awful on the roads. The roads the rest of us have to drive on. Loading on uneven ground trusting air gauges makes it tricky to always get legal. It's not worth it."

I got my 5th all the way forward. I can only get about 200 lbs on steers if load all the way up front and over load drives by about 2k. I was going to have a new mount put on so I could move it forward more but it looks like if I did my landing gear would hit truck. If I load it just behind 2nd bow I can axle out or get close . But a lot of these places just dump it in wherever. Might just buy another 43' trailer. Maybe a 45 . 50 seemed kind of long. I do make good money hauling pellets when I load 85500. 7 k a week vs maybe 4k. But I don't do it a lot . Usually just 80. I dodge scales anyway. Even when empty most the time
Replied on Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 04:47 PM CST
Surely not ! Doesn't matter where you load in front hopper, that's all in fifth wheel setting. Do you have an air ride front axle ?
Replied on Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 10:15 PM CST
Quote: "Seriously people, why cant you see that a spread axle trailer is going to be at least 500-1000 lbs heavier then if you put on a pusher axle! I know I have owned spreads and now own pushers and for going 86,000-87,000 someone better do some checking cause the federal bridge law states for 5 axles is only 85,500 so I believe the feds kinda trump the state laws. I'm just over 27,400 with fuel in the truck and gear also ready to roll down the road with 6 axles under me,call me crazy but I like the idea of being able to do 60,500 in some states and still go 52,500 every where else, where most on here are just doing 50,000-51,000 with there heavey trucks and 55,000-56,000 if they got a spread!"

So carrying around a boat anchor that you can't use 90% of the time makes logical sense to you?