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{ "forumId": 40953, "postTypeId": 1, "postType": "Forum", "forumTitle": "18 year olds and rates", "forumContent": "\n As usual I find your forum interesting, thoughtful, and interesting.\n \n In my opinion todays 18 year olds should not be given the right to drive large rigs, because of the lack of responsibility I have seen in many of them. And this opinion coming from a man whose father taught him how to drive a rig when I was 15. Really sad to have to say this. Although I do believe military experience would help any young person. I also believe young people matured quicker 40 years ago.\n \n Back in the day it was very easy to get away with illegally driving a semi. And my father was a great teacher. Very strict, but fair, although before he died he told me he always had confidence in me because I had a natural talent. Probably inheirited it from him and his father. And I know my success was due to dad.\n \n During my mid teen years I drove scared all the time. Afraid of disappointing dad and afraid of getting pulled over by a cop, which led me to run my rig legal at all times. After soloing, my Saturday run during the school year, and several times a week during the summer, was running from Chicago to Springfield to pick up a load of flour for delivering to a bakery in Blue Island. Most farm boys my age had farm licenses; however, we lived in the suburbs-not on a farm. I enjoyed coffee or meals with many of them in a little cafe on old RT-66 in McLean, IL, although I kept my mouth shut about running illegal. If I had gotten caught it may have been bad for me, but worse for dad and his small cartage company.\n \n Since 1963 I have officially logged over 31/2 million miles, accident free, with only 3 speeding tickets. Like many of you I deserved to get more.\n \n I was on my second hitch in the Air Force when dad came down with a brain tumor. After my dad died, shortly after his 50th birthday, mom and I liquidated the cartage company and I bought my first tractor, a C.O.E. lemon, Mack, (never bought another one) and leased it on with a union company our neighbor worked for hauling their trailers or containers. The rate to my tractor was $1.00 per mile and I made good money with mostly running containers to Dundalk Marine in Baltimore, two round trips, or $2900.00 per week. I have heard that today there are guys pulling these sleds for 97 or 98 cents per mile and if this is true it is totally ludicrus! \n \n When this company started to have financial problems, I bailed. I purchased a new C.O.E. Freightliner and a 42.6 Utility refer, got my own rights and authority, and followed dad's original business plan of hauling under contract. I also maintained my union membership to get the benefits. And again I made good money. In fact, I was servicing my third three year contract with a meat company out of Chicago on a dedicated run to Phoenix and L.A., with a return contract hauling produce for Jewel Foods, when deregulation struck. My contract ended two years after deregulation. I was running at $1.60 per mile on the western leg and $1.10 per mile, plus $25.00 per extra pickups, on the trlp back. I never used the words \"back haul\" , which means nothing but \"cheap freight\" and bristle whenever I hear this. A load is a load, no matter where it is going.\n \n Those of you who may be closer to my age are more than aware of what the government did to this industry. Allowing other industries to dictate what they were going to pay our industry members was horribly unfair, as well as detrimental to to the employees of union companies and owner/operators who could no longer operate with such low rates. And, as mentioned in earlier forums, even the lower rates have not kept up with inflation at all. \n \n There is an answer to our problems; however, getting everyone to agree to this will be next to impossible because no one, big companies down to individuals, have the BACK BONE to agree to it. Even when it will mean more money for everyone. Screw the government! We need to impose regulations for our own industry!!!! And we need to return to selling service and our reputations to shippers. The following is just a sample of what I would suggest:\n \n Nationwide Transportation Rates \n Local P & D and local Drayage to/from rail yards or ports will have to adjust their rates accordingly \n \n Freight, Refer, and Agriculture Divisions\n \n \n 1. $4.00 per loaded mile, for all trailer loads of any product. (Gets rid of lower exempt commodity rate) \n 2. 30 cents per bushel, or $4.00 per loaded mile rate, whichever is greater, for all commodities that utilize hoppers or similar equipment. \n a) $75.00 charged to shipper for any trailer requiring a washout. \n b) Demerge charges of $100.00 per hour, or fraction of, after 2 hours of waiting. \n c) $75.00 per additional dry van/refer pick up or delivery, after 1st stop with products/merchandise going to one receiver; or, from one shipper delivering to several customers. (Ex: 4 stops = additional $225.00) \n d) Shippers load and count and sign for door seal(s) for security. \n e) Receivers unload and count, or hire lumper service to unload their order, after signing for and breaking load seals. \n \n 2. $2.80 per loaded mile, for Owner/Operators pulling any companys trailer. This includes drayage/containers. (This is the average 30% off regular loaded mile rate for companies to maintain their trailers, or put money towards new ones.) \n \n 3. $2.40 per mile, deadhead charged to shipper. First 50 miles not included. \n \n 4. 10% Brokers commission as standard fee, when applicable.\n \n I hope you all have as profitable a day as possible!\n \n Respectfully,\n \n Jerry \n \n", "forumContentHtml": "<p>\r\n\tAs usual I find your forum interesting, thoughtful, and interesting.<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\t In my opinion todays 18 year olds should not be given the right to drive large rigs, because of the lack of responsibility I have seen in many of them. And this opinion coming from a man whose father taught him how to drive a rig when I was 15. Really sad to have to say this. Although I do believe military experience would help any young person. I also believe young people matured quicker 40 years ago.<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tBack in the day it was very easy to get away with illegally driving a semi. And my father was a great teacher. Very strict, but fair, although before he died he told me he always had confidence in me because I had a natural talent. Probably inheirited it from him and his father. And I know my success was due to dad.<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tDuring my mid teen years I drove scared all the time. Afraid of disappointing dad and afraid of getting pulled over by a cop, which led me to run my rig legal at all times. After soloing, my Saturday run during the school year, and several times a week during the summer, was running from Chicago to Springfield to pick up a load of flour for delivering to a bakery in Blue Island. Most farm boys my age had farm licenses; however, we lived in the suburbs-not on a farm. I enjoyed coffee or meals with many of them in a little cafe on old RT-66 in McLean, IL, although I kept my mouth shut about running illegal. If I had gotten caught it may have been bad for me, but worse for dad and his small cartage company.<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tSince 1963 I have officially logged over 31/2 million miles, accident free, with only 3 speeding tickets. Like many of you I deserved to get more.<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tI was on my second hitch in the Air Force when dad came down with a brain tumor. After my dad died, shortly after his 50th birthday, mom and I liquidated the cartage company and I bought my first tractor, a C.O.E. lemon, Mack, (never bought another one) and leased it on with a union company our neighbor worked for hauling their trailers or containers. The rate to my tractor was $1.00 per mile and I made good money with mostly running containers to Dundalk Marine in Baltimore, two round trips, or $2900.00 per week. I have heard that today there are guys pulling these sleds for 97 or 98 cents per mile and if this is true it is totally ludicrus! <br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tWhen this company started to have financial problems, I bailed. I purchased a new C.O.E. Freightliner and a 42.6 Utility refer, got my own rights and authority, and followed dad's original business plan of hauling under contract. I also maintained my union membership to get the benefits. And again I made good money. In fact, I was servicing my third three year contract with a meat company out of Chicago on a dedicated run to Phoenix and L.A., with a return contract hauling produce for Jewel Foods, when deregulation struck. My contract ended two years after deregulation. I was running at $1.60 per mile on the western leg and $1.10 per mile, plus $25.00 per extra pickups, on the trlp back. I never used the words "back haul" , which means nothing but "cheap freight" and bristle whenever I hear this. A load is a load, no matter where it is going.<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tThose of you who may be closer to my age are more than aware of what the government did to this industry. Allowing other industries to dictate what they were going to pay our industry members was horribly unfair, as well as detrimental to to the employees of union companies and owner/operators who could no longer operate with such low rates. And, as mentioned in earlier forums, even the lower rates have not kept up with inflation at all. <br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tThere is an answer to our problems; however, getting everyone to agree to this will be next to impossible because no one, big companies down to individuals, have the BACK BONE to agree to it. Even when it will mean more money for everyone. Screw the government! We need to impose regulations for our own industry!!!! And we need to return to selling service and our reputations to shippers. The following is just a sample of what I would suggest:<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\t <strong>Nationwide Transportation Rates</strong></p>\r\n<div>\r\n\tLocal P & D and local Drayage to/from rail yards or ports will have to adjust their rates accordingly</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t </div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t<strong>Freight, Refer, and Agriculture Divisions<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\t</strong></div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t1. $4.00 per loaded mile, for all trailer loads of any product. (Gets rid of lower exempt commodity rate)</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t2. 30 cents per bushel, or $4.00 per loaded mile rate, whichever is greater, for all commodities that utilize hoppers or similar equipment.</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\ta) $75.00 charged to shipper for any trailer requiring a washout.</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\tb) Demerge charges of $100.00 per hour, or fraction of, after 2 hours of waiting.<span class=\"Apple-tab-span\" style=\"white-space:pre\"> </span></div>\r\n<div>\r\n\tc) $75.00 per additional dry van/refer pick up or delivery, after 1st stop with products/merchandise going to one receiver; or, from one shipper delivering to several customers. (Ex: 4 stops = additional $225.00)</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\td) Shippers load and count and sign for door seal(s) for security.</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\te) Receivers unload and count, or hire lumper service to unload their order, after signing for and breaking load seals.</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t </div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t2. $2.80 per loaded mile, for Owner/Operators pulling any company’s trailer. This includes drayage/containers. (This is the average 30% off regular loaded mile rate for companies to maintain their trailers, or put money towards new ones.)</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t </div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t3. $2.40 per mile, deadhead charged to shipper. First 50 miles not included.</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t </div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t4. 10% Broker’s commission as standard fee, when applicable.<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tI hope you all have as profitable a day as possible!<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tRespectfully,<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tJerry</div>\r\n<div>\r\n\t </div>\r\n<br />", "thumbUrl": "", "dateAdded": "2015-08-11T08:12:10Z", "lastPost": "2015-08-19T12:39:48Z", "views": 7082, "likes": 3, "dislikes": 0, "messageCount": 18, "premiumOnly": 0, "isfeatured": 0, "showInDays": -100, "showDate": "", "forumLink": "", "youtubeVideoId": "", "approved": 1, "active": 1, "alias": "18-year-olds-and-rates", "forumUrl": "https://www.bulkloads.com/forum/18-year-olds-and-rates/", "userId": 13381, "firstName": "JERRY", "lastName": "ASHLEY", "companyName": "AGRA-LOGISTICS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Manteno", "state": "IL", "userCommentCount": 151, "userLikes": 2, "replies": [ { "replyId": 32517, "content": "Thanks, Jerry\n \n i was starting think I was the only one who thought this. We may disagree on the ages but I believe that should be based upon the individual and their maturity not just based upon ones age alone. Even then I do agree with your statement that the youth today is less mature then those of days gone by, but maybe that is what the older generations thought of ours as well. Very good information, very good ideas.\n \n I would like to talk to you one on one if you would care to.\n \n Scott Jordan\n 816-853-2301\n", "contentHtml": "Thanks, Jerry<br />\r\n<br />\r\ni was starting think I was the only one who thought this. We may disagree on the ages but I believe that should be based upon the individual and their maturity not just based upon ones age alone. Even then I do agree with your statement that the youth today is less mature then those of days gone by, but maybe that is what the older generations thought of ours as well. Very good information, very good ideas.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI would like to talk to you one on one if you would care to.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nScott Jordan<br />\r\n816-853-2301<br />", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-11T13:24:51Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32518, "content": "Great ideas and they would work temporarily, however our economy and thus rates are based simply off of supply and demand, so the only way rates will ever increase is through a lower supply of trucks or a higher demand of loads/freight to move.\n \n By putting 18 year olds into the rigs, shippers are ensured to keep the truck supply high, thus in turn keeping rates low or constant to where they are currently. The more drivers or trucks that are added to the pool of supply, the lower the rates will drop or at least stay constant with the current. If freight demands drop lower in a weak or declining economy, which is what we are starting to see and gov't restrictions are lowered to increase the truck supply through the use of 18 year olds, we will see a very large decrease in rates from the current level that they already are at given a decreasing economy. Mandating rates will never subside to true and actual demand, as soon as rates are stable and steady the increase in trucks by companies always occurs, this is due in large to the simplistic barriers to entry into the market place as well as the need or greed for profits.\n \n \n The only way for rates to increase is by lowering the supply of trucks and or increasing the demand of freight. Which is what the industry saw briefly last year. However moving forward this year, the supply of trucks increased due to rate increases and then the demand of loads decreased at the same time (ag products pricing lowered, oil wells shutting down, rail shipments switching from the oil industry back to the agriculture markets) etc thus the drop in rates.\n \n \n Just my take on it\n", "contentHtml": "Great ideas and they would work temporarily, however our economy and thus rates are based simply off of supply and demand, so the only way rates will ever increase is through a lower supply of trucks or a higher demand of loads/freight to move.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nBy putting 18 year olds into the rigs, shippers are ensured to keep the truck supply high, thus in turn keeping rates low or constant to where they are currently. The more drivers or trucks that are added to the pool of supply, the lower the rates will drop or at least stay constant with the current. If freight demands drop lower in a weak or declining economy, which is what we are starting to see and gov't restrictions are lowered to increase the truck supply through the use of 18 year olds, we will see a very large decrease in rates from the current level that they already are at given a decreasing economy. Mandating rates will never subside to true and actual demand, as soon as rates are stable and steady the increase in trucks by companies always occurs, this is due in large to the simplistic barriers to entry into the market place as well as the need or greed for profits.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe only way for rates to increase is by lowering the supply of trucks and or increasing the demand of freight. Which is what the industry saw briefly last year. However moving forward this year, the supply of trucks increased due to rate increases and then the demand of loads decreased at the same time (ag products pricing lowered, oil wells shutting down, rail shipments switching from the oil industry back to the agriculture markets) etc thus the drop in rates.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\nJust my take on it<br />", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-05-12", "dateAdded": "2015-08-11T15:20:54Z", "likes": 2, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 14826, "firstName": "RYAN", "lastName": "HUNT", "companyName": "HOLICKY BROS ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LECENTER", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 12, "userLikes": 5, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32520, "content": "If we believe in supply and demand, then low rates are proof that there is no such thing as a driver shortage? Depending on whose numbers you go by, 10 to 25 percent of the countries trucks are parked in a lot somewhere, because of the supposed driver shortage. So the question on my mind is, whats the magic number of trucks we need to see dissapear from the market, before we see rates that support the cost of new equipment, and wages that will RETAIN and attract new drivers?", "contentHtml": "If we believe in supply and demand, then low rates are proof that there is no such thing as a driver shortage? Depending on whose numbers you go by, 10 to 25 percent of the countries trucks are parked in a lot somewhere, because of the supposed driver shortage. So the question on my mind is, whats the magic number of trucks we need to see dissapear from the market, before we see rates that support the cost of new equipment, and wages that will RETAIN and attract new drivers? ", "parentReplyId": 32518, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-09-17", "dateAdded": "2015-08-12T00:11:10Z", "likes": 2, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 5383, "firstName": "Dave", "lastName": "Winters", "companyName": "DWT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Clearwater", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 1292, "userLikes": 490, "userDislikes": 175, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32521, "content": "30 percent seems a little high for trailers to leased owner operators. Most places I have been to didn't take over 25 but I would agree with most of the other stuff you wrote. As for driver age it doesn't matter so much to me if they are18 or 80. The biggest problem I see and not to mention down right scary and dangerous is LACK OF TRAINING AND RESPONSIBILITY! I like you had an advantage because i was taught by my dad and some other very good older guys from my town.", "contentHtml": "30 percent seems a little high for trailers to leased owner operators. Most places I have been to didn't take over 25 but I would agree with most of the other stuff you wrote. As for driver age it doesn't matter so much to me if they are18 or 80. The biggest problem I see and not to mention down right scary and dangerous is LACK OF TRAINING AND RESPONSIBILITY! I like you had an advantage because i was taught by my dad and some other very good older guys from my town.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-05-04", "dateAdded": "2015-08-12T03:12:38Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 1047, "firstName": "CHRISTOPHER", "lastName": "STIER", "companyName": "STIER FARMS INCORPORATED", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "GRAND MEADOW", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 236, "userLikes": 2, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32522, "content": "\n The real answer is yes and no. Yes it would be correct to say that based on rates today we do not have a truck shortage, we may have a driver shortage which is non related to demand of freight, we have more trucks available than freight, if it were the other way around we would see shippers increasing rates to attract trucks, but when they know or see that if truck A decides to pass on a load and truck B grabs it immediately, it tells us that we have gone the other way in supply vs demand. \n \n Last year the shippers were begging to get loads moved, this year the trucks are asking the shippers constantly for loads. It is more likely due to a demand shortage than an over supply of trucks, but both factors do weigh in on it. That or we have a huge issue with low demand that no one is willing to accept yet. My take is a demand issue, too many sectors in the bulk area that are not seeing a return on investment so they are holding on product shipments or cannot simply put together deals with sellers due to low pricing. Look at the oil, agriculture and manufacturing (steel) sectors of the US. All are highly dependent on exporting, the US has a high dollar currently so there is no benefit for other markets or countries to import from the US, as they recieve approximately 30% less product for the same dollars they spent a year ago in the US, however in return they would much rather import into the US, as they regain those dollars with a High US Dollar. That creates low demand as the US struggles to export their products and other countries are attempting to import back into us, our manufacturing then sits on inventory with no where to go, at the same time inventories increase, manufactures begin to slow down and use less raw products, thus in turn needing less shipments of new products to keep production going, hence the reason for the total number of loads decreasing. China alone is sitting on a five year supply of steel they could import into the US, which creates havoc on our steel markets that have been so use to the last few years as exporting their products out faster than they could produce.\n \n In theory if you look at the original post and idea, ask yourself one question, if those were current prices or price mandates, would you not add an infinite number of trucks to the market knowing that would be your return? I know my answer is yes, thus prooving that when price increases are fixed or mandated at a level of real profit, companies will always increase the supply thus decreasing the demand and ultimately dropping price or creating inflationary periods.\n \n Regarding the driver shortage, yes their is a driver shortage and we will continue to see a driver shortage as drivers age and exit the market with less drivers entering the market in terms of units available to be driven, that does not mean that there is demand for the trucks or freight, just demand for the equipment. Completely two different supply chains and demand curves. If you look at the long run aggregate supply of trucks (5-7 years) and given demand for freight stays constant or increasing, we should see rates beginning to increase as more drivers exit the market for other variables. Hence the reason shippers are pushing to have the age limit lowered. They want an oversupply of trucks or they face increasing pricing on rates. However I believe that we are going to see a decrease in demand for freight over the next 1-2 years due to economic factors as noted above. So a true shortage of drivers is not a bad scenariao for owners of companies, ultimately the companies should see increases in rates thus increasing profits which will in turn increase wages etc for the drivers. ", "contentHtml": "<p>\r\n\tThe real answer is yes and no. Yes it would be correct to say that based on rates today we do not have a truck shortage, we may have a driver shortage which is non related to demand of freight, we have more trucks available than freight, if it were the other way around we would see shippers increasing rates to attract trucks, but when they know or see that if truck A decides to pass on a load and truck B grabs it immediately, it tells us that we have gone the other way in supply vs demand. <br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tLast year the shippers were begging to get loads moved, this year the trucks are asking the shippers constantly for loads. It is more likely due to a demand shortage than an over supply of trucks, but both factors do weigh in on it. That or we have a huge issue with low demand that no one is willing to accept yet. My take is a demand issue, too many sectors in the bulk area that are not seeing a return on investment so they are holding on product shipments or cannot simply put together deals with sellers due to low pricing. Look at the oil, agriculture and manufacturing (steel) sectors of the US. All are highly dependent on exporting, the US has a high dollar currently so there is no benefit for other markets or countries to import from the US, as they recieve approximately 30% less product for the same dollars they spent a year ago in the US, however in return they would much rather import into the US, as they regain those dollars with a High US Dollar. That creates low demand as the US struggles to export their products and other countries are attempting to import back into us, our manufacturing then sits on inventory with no where to go, at the same time inventories increase, manufactures begin to slow down and use less raw products, thus in turn needing less shipments of new products to keep production going, hence the reason for the total number of loads decreasing. China alone is sitting on a five year supply of steel they could import into the US, which creates havoc on our steel markets that have been so use to the last few years as exporting their products out faster than they could produce.<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tIn theory if you look at the original post and idea, ask yourself one question, if those were current prices or price mandates, would you not add an infinite number of trucks to the market knowing that would be your return? I know my answer is yes, thus prooving that when price increases are fixed or mandated at a level of real profit, companies will always increase the supply thus decreasing the demand and ultimately dropping price or creating inflationary periods.<br />\r\n\t<br />\r\n\tRegarding the driver shortage, yes their is a driver shortage and we will continue to see a driver shortage as drivers age and exit the market with less drivers entering the market in terms of units available to be driven, that does not mean that there is demand for the trucks or freight, just demand for the equipment. Completely two different supply chains and demand curves. If you look at the long run aggregate supply of trucks (5-7 years) and given demand for freight stays constant or increasing, we should see rates beginning to increase as more drivers exit the market for other variables. Hence the reason shippers are pushing to have the age limit lowered. They want an oversupply of trucks or they face increasing pricing on rates. However I believe that we are going to see a decrease in demand for freight over the next 1-2 years due to economic factors as noted above. So a true shortage of drivers is not a bad scenariao for owners of companies, ultimately the companies should see increases in rates thus increasing profits which will in turn increase wages etc for the drivers. </p>", "parentReplyId": 32520, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-05-12", "dateAdded": "2015-08-12T14:54:39Z", "likes": 2, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 14826, "firstName": "RYAN", "lastName": "HUNT", "companyName": "HOLICKY BROS ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "LECENTER", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 12, "userLikes": 5, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32526, "content": "Great replies gentlemen. And Scott, I will reply to your email after I attend to a few irons I have over the fire.\n \n As with any new idea, or proposal,the next step usually starts with negotiations. For example, some may feel that the mileage rate may be set too high. \n \n I have seen leased/owner operators pay as much as 30% to pull a company's trailer and as low as 20%. I've never seen it as low as 10%. And drayage/containers are, of course, someone elses equipment, although I realise the rates were nogotiated with shippers long before a shipment left whatever country it was loaded from.\n \n And back in the day the exempt commodities rates usually were quoted at approximately 30% less than general freight. That was for the benefit of grocery companies and consumers; however, I always found fault with that because I never thought lettuce was any different than Heinz ketchup. Here again, a load of freight is a load of freight.\n \n In my opinion if there was a way our industry could, or would, get together to standardize our own rates, even with a spread to cover leaner times, our nation's shippers would resign themselves to these facts and would price their shipping costs approprately, as they did prior to de-regulation.\n \n A realistic spread in rates for the agracultural divison should not be any different, either.\n \n I realise the hard part about trying to get anything organized is dealing with individuals and companies who refuse to look at the big picture because they are too busy looking out for themselves.\n \n Thanks to those of you who have already responded.\n \n Jerry.\n \n", "contentHtml": "Great replies gentlemen. And Scott, I will reply to your email after I attend to a few irons I have over the fire.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nAs with any new idea, or proposal,the next step usually starts with negotiations. For example, some may feel that the mileage rate may be set too high. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI have seen leased/owner operators pay as much as 30% to pull a company's trailer and as low as 20%. I've never seen it as low as 10%. And drayage/containers are, of course, someone elses equipment, although I realise the rates were nogotiated with shippers long before a shipment left whatever country it was loaded from.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nAnd back in the day the exempt commodities rates usually were quoted at approximately 30% less than general freight. That was for the benefit of grocery companies and consumers; however, I always found fault with that because I never thought lettuce was any different than Heinz ketchup. Here again, a load of freight is a load of freight.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIn my opinion if there was a way our industry could, or would, get together to standardize our own rates, even with a spread to cover leaner times, our nation's shippers would resign themselves to these facts and would price their shipping costs approprately, as they did prior to de-regulation.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nA realistic spread in rates for the agracultural divison should not be any different, either.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI realise the hard part about trying to get anything organized is dealing with individuals and companies who refuse to look at the big picture because they are too busy looking out for themselves.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThanks to those of you who have already responded.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nJerry.<br />\r\n<br />", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-01-21", "dateAdded": "2015-08-12T20:41:24Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 13381, "firstName": "JERRY", "lastName": "ASHLEY", "companyName": "AGRA-LOGISTICS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Manteno", "state": "IL", "userCommentCount": 151, "userLikes": 2, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32527, "content": "If a young man qualifies to go and die for our country....there is no reason he shouldn't be able to attain a CDL and truck interstate...ONLY AFTER PROPER TRAINING AND GRADUATED SUPERVISION.", "contentHtml": "If a young man qualifies to go and die for our country....there is no reason he shouldn't be able to attain a CDL and truck interstate...ONLY AFTER PROPER TRAINING AND GRADUATED SUPERVISION. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-01-04", "dateAdded": "2015-08-12T23:37:14Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 9636, "firstName": "CHARLES", "lastName": "MAHAFFEY II", "companyName": "MAHAFFEY ENTERPRISES, INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "ELIZABETH CITY", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 69, "userLikes": 40, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32531, "content": "When we moved from Wisconsin to North Carolina my dad had to retake the driving test to get his class A. He already had a chauffeurs license to drive a milk truck. He failed the first time because he didn't put his hand back on wheel after shifting. And a friend failed for not putting on seat belt. But years later when my bother in law wanted to get his cdl. To go to North Dakota and get rich. (He already had a classB from working with state). I took him to Elizabeth city dmv to take driving test. When he started his Pretrip the examiner said \" come on I,don't have all day, just drive it around the block\". I don't think the problem is with age, the states need to start testing for real and not relying on so called schools . At this point I won't even hire a person that tells me they have been to a school. The last didn't make it a day with out dragging the trailer across a light pole.", "contentHtml": "When we moved from Wisconsin to North Carolina my dad had to retake the driving test to get his class A. He already had a chauffeurs license to drive a milk truck. He failed the first time because he didn't put his hand back on wheel after shifting. And a friend failed for not putting on seat belt. But years later when my bother in law wanted to get his cdl. To go to North Dakota and get rich. (He already had a classB from working with state). I took him to Elizabeth city dmv to take driving test. When he started his Pretrip the examiner said " come on I,don't have all day, just drive it around the block". I don't think the problem is with age, the states need to start testing for real and not relying on so called schools . At this point I won't even hire a person that tells me they have been to a school. The last didn't make it a day with out dragging the trailer across a light pole. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-08-13T01:57:46Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32535, "content": "I have learned that I have to run team with a new hire to make sure they are what they say. If they don't want to run team with me or another one of my operators they don't get the job. Runs off a lot of the Riff Raff.\n", "contentHtml": "I have learned that I have to run team with a new hire to make sure they are what they say. If they don't want to run team with me or another one of my operators they don't get the job. Runs off a lot of the Riff Raff.<br />", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-13T11:08:25Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32536, "content": "Personally, I don't have a problem with it. However I don't think it will work any better, then the rest of the Idea's that the ATA has come up with. In fact, when was the last time they had a Idea that worked? First they brought in the mexicans, then the russians, and then the sommalians. When that did not work, they sued to have the border opened with mexico, and pushed the cross border truck program. Then for a short while, they threatened us with autonumous trucks, the fantasy that we would all be replaced by robot's. If the ATA is so worried about the driver shortage, then maybee they should stop throwing them under the bus? We all know how hard the folks at the ATA have been pushing electronic logs, and the idea of putting surveillance camera's in the cab and sleeper. And every time there is a truck accident, they cant wait to throw the driver to the wolves, as part of their P.R. campaign.", "contentHtml": "Personally, I don't have a problem with it. However I don't think it will work any better, then the rest of the Idea's that the ATA has come up with. In fact, when was the last time they had a Idea that worked? First they brought in the mexicans, then the russians, and then the sommalians. When that did not work, they sued to have the border opened with mexico, and pushed the cross border truck program. Then for a short while, they threatened us with autonumous trucks, the fantasy that we would all be replaced by robot's. If the ATA is so worried about the driver shortage, then maybee they should stop throwing them under the bus? We all know how hard the folks at the ATA have been pushing electronic logs, and the idea of putting surveillance camera's in the cab and sleeper. And every time there is a truck accident, they cant wait to throw the driver to the wolves, as part of their P.R. campaign.", "parentReplyId": 32527, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-09-17", "dateAdded": "2015-08-13T12:34:47Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 5383, "firstName": "Dave", "lastName": "Winters", "companyName": "DWT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Clearwater", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 1292, "userLikes": 490, "userDislikes": 175, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32537, "content": "Dave you are hitting on some key elements, this is why we smaller guys need our own organization that is not involved with the selling of insurance, fuel cards, and the such. A Lone Wolf does not exist as long as a Wolf that runs with a pack. As far as training the younger driver that is each companies responsibility to pruduce the end result that they desire. The Mega's try and do the best that they can, and they realize that about 6 weeks is the max that two individuals can usually run team together. Our society has changed and we are a much more selfish society that claims to care about each other but really is only out for themselves. Take a look around at the special interest groups, the only group of individuals that gripe and compalin more than them are the truckers. The special interest groups at least get together and form a group that accomplishes what their goals are. You can't even get 10 truckers in the same room to agree on if the sky is blue or yellow.\n", "contentHtml": "Dave you are hitting on some key elements, this is why we smaller guys need our own organization that is not involved with the selling of insurance, fuel cards, and the such. A Lone Wolf does not exist as long as a Wolf that runs with a pack. As far as training the younger driver that is each companies responsibility to pruduce the end result that they desire. The Mega's try and do the best that they can, and they realize that about 6 weeks is the max that two individuals can usually run team together. Our society has changed and we are a much more selfish society that claims to care about each other but really is only out for themselves. Take a look around at the special interest groups, the only group of individuals that gripe and compalin more than them are the truckers. The special interest groups at least get together and form a group that accomplishes what their goals are. You can't even get 10 truckers in the same room to agree on if the sky is blue or yellow.<br />", "parentReplyId": 32536, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-13T13:03:01Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32542, "content": "I have more experience than some with under age and inexperienced drivers. I ran a few in the 80's. Some were great and took the responsibility seriously. Us small guys should be the ones training the younger guys. In reality us small guys aren't going put an idiot in one of trucks and get it tore up. We are going to invest way more time effort and training in someone than any mega would ever think about. \n I don't want to come off as arrogant, but I started my son at 18. He has done well for himself, but the only reason the insurance went for it was his racing resume. He has the love of his life with him now. She has done well in a short time also, but insurance won't cover her. It is frustrating. Why would they think that I would risk my sons life and my equipment? Crazy. \n I say bring the young guys on, but only with the supervision people like us can give them. The most likely guys to fail are the 35 and up wanna bee's that have been unsuccesful at everything else they have tried. I won't try them. I do have a 48 year old with 2 years at Schneider that I want to try. We'll see if that works or not. \n The team thing ... Not for me .... If that is the only way leave me out. Just doesn't fit our operating system. There are very few people that I want to spend that kind of time with. Realisitically there aren't any people dumb enough to put up with my one way attitude in a very small environment. \n Bring the young guys on. \n This thread and rates don't belong together.\n \n Art Pfluger", "contentHtml": "I have more experience than some with under age and inexperienced drivers. I ran a few in the 80's. Some were great and took the responsibility seriously. Us small guys should be the ones training the younger guys. In reality us small guys aren't going put an idiot in one of trucks and get it tore up. We are going to invest way more time effort and training in someone than any mega would ever think about. <br />\r\nI don't want to come off as arrogant, but I started my son at 18. He has done well for himself, but the only reason the insurance went for it was his racing resume. He has the love of his life with him now. She has done well in a short time also, but insurance won't cover her. It is frustrating. Why would they think that I would risk my sons life and my equipment? Crazy. <br />\r\n I say bring the young guys on, but only with the supervision people like us can give them. The most likely guys to fail are the 35 and up wanna bee's that have been unsuccesful at everything else they have tried. I won't try them. I do have a 48 year old with 2 years at Schneider that I want to try. We'll see if that works or not. <br />\r\nThe team thing ... Not for me .... If that is the only way leave me out. Just doesn't fit our operating system. There are very few people that I want to spend that kind of time with. Realisitically there aren't any people dumb enough to put up with my one way attitude in a very small environment. <br />\r\nBring the young guys on. <br />\r\nThis thread and rates don't belong together.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nArt Pfluger", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-05", "dateAdded": "2015-08-14T04:25:40Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3266, "firstName": "ROSE", "lastName": "PFLUGER", "companyName": "ROAD WARRIORS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MORRISTOWN", "state": "AZ", "userCommentCount": 804, "userLikes": 10, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32550, "content": "Jerry, I like to see there are others who think about this sort of thing, though I may disagree with the idea of ALL 18yr old NOT being able to get a CDL, I agree in principle, by that I mean there are MANY people out there much older than that who would have to ask how to strike a match to start a fire. On the flipside of that token I've met 18yr old men who have the common sense and abilities of men twice their age. I wish there were a way to weed out the idiots by their abilities instead of age. You may have noticed but I dont always agree with Art & Jason and some of the others one here but it's because we passionately believe in our own ideas and convictions, I have nothing but the utmost respect for them because they do stick to their beliefs, I say this because I strongly believe that there should be more than just a stupid chronological age requirement and a few written tests to determine who gets to drive these 40-50 ton weapons. I have been driving truck since before I actually had a driver license and was taught by old timers who knew what they were doing including my dad. In my opinion, humble though it may be, if you can go out with a seasoned driver, prove you can be safe and actually know something more about the vahicle that \"Turn key & drive\". I don't care if you're man, woman, black, white, green, purple, or any combination, if you cant even find where the oil goes in you SHOULD NOT be allowed to drive PERIOD!!! regardless of age.", "contentHtml": "Jerry, I like to see there are others who think about this sort of thing, though I may disagree with the idea of ALL 18yr old NOT being able to get a CDL, I agree in principle, by that I mean there are MANY people out there much older than that who would have to ask how to strike a match to start a fire. On the flipside of that token I've met 18yr old men who have the common sense and abilities of men twice their age. I wish there were a way to weed out the idiots by their abilities instead of age. You may have noticed but I dont always agree with Art & Jason and some of the others one here but it's because we passionately believe in our own ideas and convictions, I have nothing but the utmost respect for them because they do stick to their beliefs, I say this because I strongly believe that there should be more than just a stupid chronological age requirement and a few written tests to determine who gets to drive these 40-50 ton weapons. I have been driving truck since before I actually had a driver license and was taught by old timers who knew what they were doing including my dad. In my opinion, humble though it may be, if you can go out with a seasoned driver, prove you can be safe and actually know something more about the vahicle that "Turn key & drive". I don't care if you're man, woman, black, white, green, purple, or any combination, if you cant even find where the oil goes in you SHOULD NOT be allowed to drive PERIOD!!! regardless of age.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/JIM-NOLTE-SANDERS INC.-4853-611713-Jims Pics 023.jpg", "signUpDate": "2011-07-01", "dateAdded": "2015-08-14T14:47:26Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 4853, "firstName": "Jim", "lastName": "Nolte", "companyName": "SANDERS INC.", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Ellsworth", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 100, "userLikes": 13, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32553, "content": "Alfred that's not a bad idea, but as you pointed out you can't get 10 drivers to agree on the color of the sky. So, where do you start? Some of the folks on here can't even admit that the driver shortage is related directly to rates,which confuses me because if the rate was not enough to cover the fuel cost, then they would admit the rate is the problem. But when it's not enough to cover the cost of the driver, they are unable to make the connection. From what i can tell, the bigest problem this industry has is honesty. If a tire keeps failing after 5000 miles, do you keep replacing it over and over, or do you investigate the reason for the failure, and correct the problem? Instead of constantly looking for a new group of drivers to exploit and throw away, maybe we should correct the problem? My insurance agent says even if the government lowers the age to 18 for drivers, it won't matter because all of the major insurance companies have said that they won't write a policy for them, so unless you are self insured like the big mega carriers, you won't be able to use them. He said at the last conference he attended, everyone of the underwriters said they would rather see a older driver with multiple DWI's. If we are unable to fix our own problems, then the government will do it for us! The public is fed up with the way this industry is being managed, which is why you shippers can now be sued for what the driver does, and why we now have CSA, FMCSA, CVSA, and lawyers wanting us to have 4.5 million dollar policies. The lawyers are tired of suing motor carriers with empty check books, and worn out junk equipment, that they can't even sell. And when you consider that almost every lawmaker on capitol hill is lawyer, how do you think it's going to end for us?\n \n \n \n \n \n", "contentHtml": "Alfred that's not a bad idea, but as you pointed out you can't get 10 drivers to agree on the color of the sky. So, where do you start? Some of the folks on here can't even admit that the driver shortage is related directly to rates,which confuses me because if the rate was not enough to cover the fuel cost, then they would admit the rate is the problem. But when it's not enough to cover the cost of the driver, they are unable to make the connection. From what i can tell, the bigest problem this industry has is honesty. If a tire keeps failing after 5000 miles, do you keep replacing it over and over, or do you investigate the reason for the failure, and correct the problem? Instead of constantly looking for a new group of drivers to exploit and throw away, maybe we should correct the problem? My insurance agent says even if the government lowers the age to 18 for drivers, it won't matter because all of the major insurance companies have said that they won't write a policy for them, so unless you are self insured like the big mega carriers, you won't be able to use them. He said at the last conference he attended, everyone of the underwriters said they would rather see a older driver with multiple DWI's. If we are unable to fix our own problems, then the government will do it for us! The public is fed up with the way this industry is being managed, which is why you shippers can now be sued for what the driver does, and why we now have CSA, FMCSA, CVSA, and lawyers wanting us to have 4.5 million dollar policies. The lawyers are tired of suing motor carriers with empty check books, and worn out junk equipment, that they can't even sell. And when you consider that almost every lawmaker on capitol hill is lawyer, how do you think it's going to end for us?<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />", "parentReplyId": 32537, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2011-09-17", "dateAdded": "2015-08-14T23:24:24Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 5383, "firstName": "Dave", "lastName": "Winters", "companyName": "DWT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Clearwater", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 1292, "userLikes": 490, "userDislikes": 175, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32576, "content": "Most lawyers don't know how to drive nor manage trucks, nor shoot weapons, nor live off the land. I should know I had to coddle them along in the Army as a paralegal, I had to pack their deployment bags, babysit them on the firing range, help them prepare and often times argue the cases for them in court. Teach a lot of them what things they could and could not eat on the land, otherwise they would have ended up dead. While most of them were great guys, they had very little understanding of what it took to operate outside in the real world. I tried to teach on to drive and old truck down in Panama, it was like watching a greenhorn cowboy get up on a bronc, he had that truck bucking so hard that I thought he was going to actually pull a wheely with it LOL. You are right lawmakers are out of touch, it is all they know how to do, they like to make themselves look and feel important by creating new laws that confine the rest of us. Real lawyers actually practice law and would never give up their successful practices to go into politics. The lawmakers that are in politics are mainly the ones who sucked at being lawyers in the first place. My lawyers can and do smoke their ass all the time, when they choose to take us on.\n \n You and others are right that the 18 yr olds will by and large start with the Mega's, but by the time they are 21 and can come work for one of us they will have at least two - three years experience under their belt. We can then retrain them our way (the right way).\n \n If all of us would take the time to figure out what it cost the shipper to run their own equipment then I would hope we would quit underbidding one another. I have taken the fuel and the driver out of the equation, and we all know that equipment don't move without fuel or a driver, here is the cost for the shipper to run equipment without fuel or a driver.\n \n \n \n \n $1.58 per mile is what is cost the shipper to run their equipment without a driver or the price of fuel\n", "contentHtml": "Most lawyers don't know how to drive nor manage trucks, nor shoot weapons, nor live off the land. I should know I had to coddle them along in the Army as a paralegal, I had to pack their deployment bags, babysit them on the firing range, help them prepare and often times argue the cases for them in court. Teach a lot of them what things they could and could not eat on the land, otherwise they would have ended up dead. While most of them were great guys, they had very little understanding of what it took to operate outside in the real world. I tried to teach on to drive and old truck down in Panama, it was like watching a greenhorn cowboy get up on a bronc, he had that truck bucking so hard that I thought he was going to actually pull a wheely with it LOL. You are right lawmakers are out of touch, it is all they know how to do, they like to make themselves look and feel important by creating new laws that confine the rest of us. Real lawyers actually practice law and would never give up their successful practices to go into politics. The lawmakers that are in politics are mainly the ones who sucked at being lawyers in the first place. My lawyers can and do smoke their ass all the time, when they choose to take us on.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nYou and others are right that the 18 yr olds will by and large start with the Mega's, but by the time they are 21 and can come work for one of us they will have at least two - three years experience under their belt. We can then retrain them our way (the right way).<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIf all of us would take the time to figure out what it cost the shipper to run their own equipment then I would hope we would quit underbidding one another. I have taken the fuel and the driver out of the equation, and we all know that equipment don't move without fuel or a driver, here is the cost for the shipper to run equipment without fuel or a driver.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<span style=\"font-size:28px;\"><strong><em><u>$1.58 per mile is what is cost the shipper to run their equipment without a driver or the price of fuel</u></em></strong></span><br />", "parentReplyId": 32553, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T11:55:21Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32578, "content": "Hello jerry iam with you on all if you would need help or anyone please contact me [email protected] thank you have a good day God bless\n \n", "contentHtml": "Hello jerry iam with you on all if you would need help or anyone please contact me [email protected] thank you have a good day God bless<br />\r\n<br />", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-05", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T13:31:20Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3006, "firstName": "Matthew", "lastName": "Lembke", "companyName": "LEMBKE INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Normal", "state": "IL", "userCommentCount": 175, "userLikes": 21, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32617, "content": "I believe that I slam more on shippers vs brokers. The brokers often times are limited by what the shippers tell them they are willing to pay.\n \n Example:\n \n A: Shipper tell broker that they want to pay $1.80 per mile, broker takes 20% cut leaving $1.44 per mile to the truck.\n \n B: This is how is should be Truck wants $2.39 broker marks up rate by 20% $2.86 to the shipper.\n \n Shipper should be happy they could not do it themselves any cheaper, broker did their job, and the truck got what they wanted. WIN-WIN-WIN\n \n you could plug any numbers you want in the situations, but either way B is always the best choice.\n \n I never said I hated brokers, we work with brokers every day as well as shippers. My postings have not just been for the trucker but for the broker as well so they could see what they should be bidding the freight at. It is frustrating from both sides when one is pissed at the other and neither know the reason why. Now that the truth is out their for all to see, hopefully some will take it and use it for the good of all concerned.\n \n I believe that it may possibly be too late, no grain reserves left, markets collapsing worldwide, looks like a bad harvest coming up, Wal-Mart is even struggling to make a profit right now. Electronic Logs, Speed Limiters, higher insurance, and whatever else the government can through our way. Pretty bad stuff, hold on and be prudent during these times, many of us will be gone within the next two years.\n \n Good luck to all, I tried", "contentHtml": "<span style=\"font-size:14px;\">I believe that I slam more on shippers vs brokers. The brokers often times are limited by what the shippers tell them they are willing to pay.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nExample:<br />\r\n<br />\r\nA: Shipper tell broker that they want to pay $1.80 per mile, broker takes 20% cut leaving $1.44 per mile to the truck.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nB: This is how is should be Truck wants $2.39 broker marks up rate by 20% $2.86 to the shipper.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nShipper should be happy they could not do it themselves any cheaper, broker did their job, and the truck got what they wanted. WIN-WIN-WIN<br />\r\n<br />\r\nyou could plug any numbers you want in the situations, but either way B is always the best choice.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI never said I hated brokers, we work with brokers every day as well as shippers. My postings have not just been for the trucker but for the broker as well so they could see what they should be bidding the freight at. It is frustrating from both sides when one is pissed at the other and neither know the reason why. Now that the truth is out their for all to see, hopefully some will take it and use it for the good of all concerned.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI believe that it may possibly be too late, no grain reserves left, markets collapsing worldwide, looks like a bad harvest coming up, Wal-Mart is even struggling to make a profit right now. Electronic Logs, Speed Limiters, higher insurance, and whatever else the government can through our way. Pretty bad stuff, hold on and be prudent during these times, many of us will be gone within the next two years.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nGood luck to all, I tried</span>", "parentReplyId": 32578, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-19T12:39:48Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 } ], "userDislikes": 0, "signUpDate": "2014-01-21", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0, "iSubscribe": 0 }

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Posted on Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:12 AM CST in Manteno, IL

18 year olds and rates

As usual I find your forum interesting, thoughtful, and interesting.

In my opinion todays 18 year olds should not be given the right to drive large rigs, because of the lack of responsibility I have seen in many of them. And this opinion coming from a man whose father taught him how to drive a rig when I was 15. Really sad to have to say this. Although I do believe military experience would help any young person. I also believe young people matured quicker 40 years ago.

Back in the day it was very easy to get away with illegally driving a semi. And my father was a great teacher. Very strict, but fair, although before he died he told me he always had confidence in me because I had a natural talent. Probably inheirited it from him and his father. And I know my success was due to dad.

During my mid teen years I drove scared all the time. Afraid of disappointing dad and afraid of getting pulled over by a cop, which led me to run my rig legal at all times. After soloing, my Saturday run during the school year, and several times a week during the summer, was running from Chicago to Springfield to pick up a load of flour for delivering to a bakery in Blue Island. Most farm boys my age had farm licenses; however, we lived in the suburbs-not on a farm. I enjoyed coffee or meals with many of them in a little cafe on old RT-66 in McLean, IL, although I kept my mouth shut about running illegal. If I had gotten caught it may have been bad for me, but worse for dad and his small cartage company.

Since 1963 I have officially logged over 31/2 million miles, accident free, with only 3 speeding tickets. Like many of you I deserved to get more.

I was on my second hitch in the Air Force when dad came down with a brain tumor. After my dad died, shortly after his 50th birthday, mom and I liquidated the cartage company and I bought my first tractor, a C.O.E. lemon, Mack, (never bought another one) and leased it on with a union company our neighbor worked for hauling their trailers or containers. The rate to my tractor was $1.00 per mile and I made good money with mostly running containers to Dundalk Marine in Baltimore, two round trips, or $2900.00 per week. I have heard that today there are guys pulling these sleds for 97 or 98 cents per mile and if this is true it is totally ludicrus!

When this company started to have financial problems, I bailed. I purchased a new C.O.E. Freightliner and a 42.6 Utility refer, got my own rights and authority, and followed dad's original business plan of hauling under contract. I also maintained my union membership to get the benefits. And again I made good money. In fact, I was servicing my third three year contract with a meat company out of Chicago on a dedicated run to Phoenix and L.A., with a return contract hauling produce for Jewel Foods, when deregulation struck. My contract ended two years after deregulation. I was running at $1.60 per mile on the western leg and $1.10 per mile, plus $25.00 per extra pickups, on the trlp back. I never used the words "back haul" , which means nothing but "cheap freight" and bristle whenever I hear this. A load is a load, no matter where it is going.

Those of you who may be closer to my age are more than aware of what the government did to this industry. Allowing other industries to dictate what they were going to pay our industry members was horribly unfair, as well as detrimental to to the employees of union companies and owner/operators who could no longer operate with such low rates. And, as mentioned in earlier forums, even the lower rates have not kept up with inflation at all.

There is an answer to our problems; however, getting everyone to agree to this will be next to impossible because no one, big companies down to individuals, have the BACK BONE to agree to it. Even when it will mean more money for everyone. Screw the government! We need to impose regulations for our own industry!!!! And we need to return to selling service and our reputations to shippers. The following is just a sample of what I would suggest:

Nationwide Transportation Rates

Local P & D and local Drayage to/from rail yards or ports will have to adjust their rates accordingly

Freight, Refer, and Agriculture Divisions

1. $4.00 per loaded mile, for all trailer loads of any product. (Gets rid of lower exempt commodity rate)

2. 30 cents per bushel, or $4.00 per loaded mile rate, whichever is greater, for all commodities that utilize hoppers or similar equipment.

a) $75.00 charged to shipper for any trailer requiring a washout.

b) Demerge charges of $100.00 per hour, or fraction of, after 2 hours of waiting.

c) $75.00 per additional dry van/refer pick up or delivery, after 1st stop with products/merchandise going to one receiver; or, from one shipper delivering to several customers. (Ex: 4 stops = additional $225.00)

d) Shippers load and count and sign for door seal(s) for security.

e) Receivers unload and count, or hire lumper service to unload their order, after signing for and breaking load seals.

2. $2.80 per loaded mile, for Owner/Operators pulling any company’s trailer. This includes drayage/containers. (This is the average 30% off regular loaded mile rate for companies to maintain their trailers, or put money towards new ones.)

3. $2.40 per mile, deadhead charged to shipper. First 50 miles not included.

4. 10% Broker’s commission as standard fee, when applicable.

I hope you all have as profitable a day as possible!

Respectfully,

Jerry

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