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Farmers rush to get foreign workers before wheat harvest.

May 13, 2020 at 12:36 PM CST
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Why are any harvesters trying to get foreign workers from any country for wheat harvest ?? When so many people are out of work in the united states..
Replied on Wed, May 13, 2020 at 02:03 PM CST
They usually get the same people year after year. Around here, they come from south Africa. Im guessing they prefer to get the same workers so they don't have to train new people. I'm not saying its right.
Replied on Wed, May 13, 2020 at 02:35 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "They usually get the same people year after year. Around here, they come from south Africa. Im guessing they prefer to get the same workers so they don't have to train new people. I'm not saying its right. "

Dale, its about time they hired Americans..
Replied on Wed, May 13, 2020 at 03:39 PM CST
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I would agree with that 100 percent. But put yourself in their shoes, where are you going to find someone to work for or 6 months, and unplug a combine feederhouse that had a skunk ran through it 20 minutes earlier? I'm not defending it, im just saying its hard to find people willing to get their hands dirty, and not be a total moron. Everyone in America wants to be a computer programmer. But right now is a good opportunity to hire Americans. In my opinion, the problem isn't the harvesters refusing to hire Americans, its that they can't get season help that's not on crack
Replied on Wed, May 13, 2020 at 06:50 PM CST
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Because it's no 9 to 5 job, it can involve actual work when stuff goes wrong, all things people avoid like the plague these days.

Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 07:22 AM CST
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I have that opinion because the south Africans around here get paid well. But if I'm not mistaken, the government lines it up, I think there might even be financial incentives, which i think is wrong, but don't quote me on that last one, I might have not heard correctly.
Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 07:22 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: RYAN LAMFERS
Quote: "Because it's no 9 to 5 job, it can involve actual work when stuff goes wrong, all things people avoid like the plague these days."

Ryan then maybe they stick around end up with most of your hauling..
Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 07:23 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: RYAN LAMFERS
Quote: "Because it's no 9 to 5 job, it can involve actual work when stuff goes wrong, all things people avoid like the plague these days."

Most young American guys don't/can't work 16+ hour days, 7 days a week for 6-9 months of the year and lack common sense. The foreigners that come over here for harvest do the work others won't.

Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 07:23 AM CST

"Some" workers in that industry would prefer to collect 600.00 per week from the feds,while also collecting 3-500.00 per week depending on which state we are talking about for a total of 900.00 or possibly more per week risk free without working. Which would you choose while this Covid 19 is going around? Think about it......it could possibly be one of the reasons that they can`t find workers right now.

Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 07:23 AM CST
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Most Americans do not want to leave families, work 7 days a week/16 hour days without overtime, nor do they like $10-14 wages.

Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 07:46 AM CST
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No job is to tough, if the pay is enough.
Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:00 AM CST
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A lot of farmers right live in Colorado hired Mexicans and the tell me that they don't hire Americans because they complain a lot and also their lazy that's not what I'm saying that's what the farmers are saying So in my opinion I don't think its the farmers or the American people I think is just a lot of people are priviledged America make him a little more lazy let's be honest
Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:00 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "No job is to tough, if the pay is enough."

We have a broken system. The farmer can pay minimum wage workers but not a LIVING WAGE. Living wage equals making mortgage payments and TAXES and being able to provide. These immigrants can get over here and work 7 years tax free so minimum wage is good for them. Why do all these foreigner run gas stations keep shutting down and changing ownership all the time? Until everyone pays their fair share of tax we will be getting nowhere
Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 03:45 PM CST
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Cant find workers to do the work is the fault of parents who dont want their little darlings to have to work like my father made me. Taught me good work ethics, kept me our of trouble and not lazy like most of these young people. good work ethics and reaspect for who does work hard. Ill catch flak about this remark, but look around at these young people that think the world owes them. God Bless America

Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 03:45 PM CST
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The south Africa workers have to pay tax
Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 03:45 PM CST
Most don't stay come from April until November and go home
Replied on Thu, May 14, 2020 at 03:45 PM CST

I think they saying (workers) Not (truckers)

if you are truck driver don't worry, let the farmers run their business

they know what to do, I will be worry if they import wheat from Foreing country

I do respect the american Farmers they are our partners, god bless them .

Replied on Fri, May 15, 2020 at 09:08 AM CST
Originally Posted by: LUIS ARGOTH
Quote: "A lot of farmers right live in Colorado hired Mexicans and the tell me that they don't hire Americans because they complain a lot and also their lazy that's not what I'm saying that's what the farmers are saying So in my opinion I don't think its the farmers or the American people I think is just a lot of people are priviledged America make him a little more lazy let's be honest"

Luis of ciurse your going to say that your from mexico.. come on
Replied on Fri, May 15, 2020 at 09:32 AM CST
Originally Posted by: Randy Swopes
Quote: "Luis of ciurse your going to say that your from mexico.. come on"

Randy, how does that old saying go? Calm seas make poor sailors? I might be saying that wrong. But are you really going to pretend its not true? Again, I say hire Americans, but show these harvesters where to find them? Heavy equipment operators and people with equipment experience aren't unemployed right now.
Replied on Fri, May 15, 2020 at 03:33 PM CST
With the farm economy the way it is you would think they could drum up some help.
Replied on Fri, May 15, 2020 at 03:33 PM CST
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I always heard there's a tax break for the business that hires visa workers. Maybe they get reimbursed half the salary or something.

Replied on Sat, May 16, 2020 at 07:28 AM CST
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No
Replied on Sun, May 17, 2020 at 06:29 PM CST
Need to get rid of the income tax. Even the playing field, so Americans can compete for their own jobs. But otherwise there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it.
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 07:12 AM CST
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If you can’t pay a living wage, should you be allowed to stay in business? A free market is supposed to be governed by supply and demand, not subsidized by immigrants and taxpayers.
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:47 AM CST
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Fake news they are not hiring foreign workers.

Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:47 AM CST
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This is fake news. They have combines and harvest wheat. They dont use foreign workers for wheat harvest.

Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:47 AM CST
With covid here, and foreign workers not being able to come it makes these farmers who basically live off the tit of the government actually are going to have to dig in their pockets and pay a fair wage, to get their crop in.. or will they whine about loosing all that money and can't afford to go on that Belize vacation for 3 weeks... No more foreign workers, no more illegals hauling for nothing.. it needs to stop we need to be self reliant, look where this country has gone the last 20 years..
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:48 AM CST
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I think this is a complex situation. Its easy to judge when you're not in the trenches. Are there farmers or harvesters that abuse the system and are strictly looking for cheap labor? Sure. Why blame the whole industry? I can give an example of a guy that turned down 32 dollars an hour to work on a hog farm. I know a plumber who struggles to find help at 28 dollars per hour starting wage. What do they have in common other than being directly associated with crap? Small towns. Small towns play a factor in the inability to get help.

Down to the nuts and bolts of my opinion... if you want to see small town America grow, and agriculture get off the government subsidies and become self reliant, flush the USDA down the toilet. In my opinion if the usda was gone, grain prices would follow supply and demand for a change. I also think eliminating the food safety act would break the meat packers, which would allow local meat lockers to sell meat bought locally, to stores or direct to the customers. The big packers could never compete with the quality, and ranchers or pork and chicken producers wouldn't be ripped off under the disguise of food safety. Then, the industry could stand on its own and the farmer haters would have to find someone else to hate. The USDA does to small farmers exactly what the FMCSA does to owner operators.

Thats my opinion, maybe I'm wrong. If I am, and anybody wants to get into farming, I've got all the equipment you'll need that I'll gladly sell you.
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:48 AM CST
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They get paid well and housing plus vehicles and gas. Plus overtime. Actually paid quite well. Sorry not many or very few Americans will do the work.
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:48 AM CST
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Actually the apps are put out there and they are told to hire Americans first. But as you see not many apply
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM CST
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Also. Guys here want weekends off or the wife wants them at home or kids have stuff. Not a big fan of the foreign guys but if you need the help right now. Please give a better idea to the people who hire them
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:24 AM CST

Most crews pay a monthly salary and provide the food or a stipend for it, they also provide lodging (campers) and transportation is with company vehicles. Harvesters absolutely hire South Africans, Danish, English, Irish, etc (all from small farms in their home country)...they come over work from May to November and go home. They come over for the experience which fewer and fewer Americans are willing to partake in.

Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:51 AM CST
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If we truly believe in a free market system, supply and demand should dictate the out come, keep raising the pay until someone born here shows up for the job, is the way it’s supposed to work. If you can’t do that, then the market don’t need you, end of story.
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 01:09 PM CST
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Can you afford 30 plus per hour dave
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 01:10 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "I think this is a complex situation. Its easy to judge when you're not in the trenches. Are there farmers or harvesters that abuse the system and are strictly looking for cheap labor? Sure. Why blame the whole industry? I can give an example of a guy that turned down 32 dollars an hour to work on a hog farm. I know a plumber who struggles to find help at 28 dollars per hour starting wage. What do they have in common other than being directly associated with crap? Small towns. Small towns play a factor in the inability to get help. Down to the nuts and bolts of my opinion... if you want to see small town America grow, and agriculture get off the government subsidies and become self reliant, flush the USDA down the toilet. In my opinion if the usda was gone, grain prices would follow supply and demand for a change. I also think eliminating the food safety act would break the meat packers, which would allow local meat lockers to sell meat bought locally, to stores or direct to the customers. The big packers could never compete with the quality, and ranchers or pork and chicken producers wouldn't be ripped off under the disguise of food safety. Then, the industry could stand on its own and the farmer haters would have to find someone else to hate. The USDA does to small farmers exactly what the FMCSA does to owner operators. Thats my opinion, maybe I'm wrong. If I am, and anybody wants to get into farming, I've got all the equipment you'll need that I'll gladly sell you. "

President Reagan said it best: "Government is not the solution , government is the problem".

Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 01:10 PM CST
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If you need a driver Dave pay them 40 per hour plus benefits and see how it goes
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 02:42 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ERIC SCHETTL
Quote: "Can you afford 30 plus per hour dave"

No I couldn’t pay a driver that well, however I am not asking government to provide me with cheap labor either, since I don’t feel like everyone who owns a business is automatically entitled to a trophy, just for trying. I think it’s time we play by the same rules our parents and grandparents did, where you make do with the resources available domestically, and actually complete to get ahead.
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 06:06 PM CST
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The government has nothing to do with the foreign workers there is a business involved to get people togher to get them here and farmer has to pay fees and other to work with these people. Dave if you are just guessing about. Maybe don't find facts first and then maybe talk later
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 06:06 PM CST
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What you me a n government cheap labor. Explain thst Dave. I think you no nothing you are talking about
Replied on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 06:06 PM CST
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You can't be serious dave and really think that they would rather hire those people and not the neighbors son to drive tractor or milk. But the neighbors son won't no matter how much he gets paid.
Replied on Tue, May 19, 2020 at 07:02 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "I think this is a complex situation. Its easy to judge when you're not in the trenches. Are there farmers or harvesters that abuse the system and are strictly looking for cheap labor? Sure. Why blame the whole industry? I can give an example of a guy that turned down 32 dollars an hour to work on a hog farm. I know a plumber who struggles to find help at 28 dollars per hour starting wage. What do they have in common other than being directly associated with crap? Small towns. Small towns play a factor in the inability to get help. Down to the nuts and bolts of my opinion... if you want to see small town America grow, and agriculture get off the government subsidies and become self reliant, flush the USDA down the toilet. In my opinion if the usda was gone, grain prices would follow supply and demand for a change. I also think eliminating the food safety act would break the meat packers, which would allow local meat lockers to sell meat bought locally, to stores or direct to the customers. The big packers could never compete with the quality, and ranchers or pork and chicken producers wouldn't be ripped off under the disguise of food safety. Then, the industry could stand on its own and the farmer haters would have to find someone else to hate. The USDA does to small farmers exactly what the FMCSA does to owner operators. Thats my opinion, maybe I'm wrong. If I am, and anybody wants to get into farming, I've got all the equipment you'll need that I'll gladly sell you. "

Very well said Dale!! I just wish some others understood it that way instead of bashing the farmer. Right now in my area with the way prices are an acre of corn is roughly a $65 to $70/acre loss, soybeans $40/acre loss at no fault of my own, that's just the numbers. Randy, no vacations here for the last 3 years at least, can't "dig deep" as you say to even pay myself, equity is what we're living on right now. Dave, I can't pay myself a "living wage" right now so should I just close my farm? If that's the case then every farm would close, then what? Also, yes, a free market should be based on supply and demand but it's not, too much government overreach for that to happen. As for farmers being subsidized by taxpayers (farmers are taxpayers too) that's true but it's definately not how we want it to be. Had an old timer tell me once " if you want to get to the root of a problem and find the answer, follow the money".
Replied on Tue, May 19, 2020 at 08:48 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: ERIC SCHETTL
Quote: "You can't be serious dave and really think that they would rather hire those people and not the neighbors son to drive tractor or milk. But the neighbors son won't no matter how much he gets paid."

Eric, there is no evidence that what your saying is true, infact the all the evidence shows the opposite, there are too many people in the market willing to do these jobs, that’s why they don’t pay anything. Remember what our broker friends said last week? Supply and demand balance each other, decrease supply and higher rates will follow? Stop trying to pound a square peg into a round hole, adding capacity to a flooded market will never increase profits, if you can’t pay a living wage, the market don’t need you. Most Americans are tired of watching their taxes go up, as all these immigrants show up, and put a strain on the system, that’s why they elected the guy in the White House.
Replied on Tue, May 19, 2020 at 09:00 AM CST
Your from around here you should know better all i see when i go to teague or kieth bath is hard working mexicans
Replied on Tue, May 19, 2020 at 09:20 AM CST
You should ask teague and kieth bath and all the dairy owners feed lot owners why they hire foreigners pinneo ect the list goes on and on
Replied on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 08:03 AM CST
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Ok Dave play by your grandparents and there parents did then raise 10 kids on 50 acres 10 milk cows 20 chickens. 10 pigs and 10 beef cows. Tell me how that goes for you. Back then most had lots of kids to do the work not so much now and those days of small farms like that are over. Don't care what our founding fathers did or grandparents did like you always say. Times have changed so have people.
Replied on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 08:05 AM CST
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I seriously think it's about time to hire American for America Job's! I have been a farmer all my life and a part time long haul trucker of 22 years! If you would start teaching kids in schools a work ethic and run some advertising about these custom cutting jobs I bet you would find help all over this country we live in! But I know that these people trying to get the foreign workers are also getting government money to back them! So let the truth be told!
Replied on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 09:30 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: WILLIAM CREEL
Quote: "I seriously think it's about time to hire American for America Job's! I have been a farmer all my life and a part time long haul trucker of 22 years! If you would start teaching kids in schools a work ethic and run some advertising about these custom cutting jobs I bet you would find help all over this country we live in! But I know that these people trying to get the foreign workers are also getting government money to back them! So let the truth be told!"

Could you give an example of what money they are getting? Just for my own knowledge. I agree,let's hire American citizens. But I still stand by my original point. the people that are mad at this situation , have never tried to hire a person for one of these tough jobs, let alone found someone thats not on drugs. I've been rebuilding some pasture fence for the guy that's now renting the land i used to farm. Who's coming to help me dig post holes and string new wire? you can't drive a pickup to80percent of it. You can't drive a 4 wheeler to 20 percent of it. It will take about 2 weeks, 20 pairs of gloves, a tetanus shot and the best exercise experience in the country. Who's coming and whats it going to take financially to get you here?
Replied on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 09:31 AM CST
Not trying to start a fight. But everyone believes they are above this work
Replied on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 09:37 AM CST
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Dale they aren't coming. Better do it yourself
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 07:25 AM CST
Originally Posted by: Randy Swopes
Quote: "Dale, its about time they hired Americans.."

Too many Americans don't want to do that kind of works.

Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 07:25 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ZACHARY ENTZ
Quote: "Need to get rid of the income tax. Even the playing field, so Americans can compete for their own jobs. But otherwise there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it."

People that come on work visas pay same in taxes.

Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 07:25 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ERIC SCHETTL
Quote: "They get paid well and housing plus vehicles and gas. Plus overtime. Actually paid quite well. Sorry not many or very few Americans will do the work."

Did you say overtime, hell if your an a American citizen you dont get overtime your listed as agricultural worker.
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 07:25 AM CST
Originally Posted by: MARK GRANDSTAFF
Quote: "Very well said Dale!! I just wish some others understood it that way instead of bashing the farmer. Right now in my area with the way prices are an acre of corn is roughly a $65 to $70/acre loss, soybeans $40/acre loss at no fault of my own, that's just the numbers. Randy, no vacations here for the last 3 years at least, can't "dig deep" as you say to even pay myself, equity is what we're living on right now. Dave, I can't pay myself a "living wage" right now so should I just close my farm? If that's the case then every farm would close, then what? Also, yes, a free market should be based on supply and demand but it's not, too much government overreach for that to happen. As for farmers being subsidized by taxpayers (farmers are taxpayers too) that's true but it's definately not how we want it to be. Had an old timer tell me once " if you want to get to the root of a problem and find the answer, follow the money"."

Mark but you will fill out those papers every year to get that tit from the government. I am an owner operator i dont petition the government for a hand out,like they would do it but every year farmers do.. dont cry poor me when that can take place every year.
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 08:11 AM CST
Randy, I think you have a false sense of agricultural finances. Nobody's disagreeing with you that it needs to stop. Farmers are mostly conservative. They want the government out of their lives too. Just for the sake of a healthy factual debate, could you tell me how much money farmers are getting from the government exactly? Start with grain, then dairy, then beef. How much in each category? Do you like hunting? How much of that federal money goes towards setting aside conservation acres for hunters? Also how much of that money goes towards environmental situations because ignorant people think they are dying from fertilizer use and pesticides (but its ok to use the same stuff at a higher rate on your lawn). All of these numbers are publicly available on the usda website. Lastly, if you look, you'll notice approximately 80 percent of the money that u think farmers are getting to go to Belize, is actually going to foodstamps .

Maybe I'm wrong and ill admit it if you show me the evidence, if its so great and easy, why aren't you getting into it. I made more money trucking from Sunday to last night, than I did farming since 2015, and thats a fact. Who's fault is it, mostly mine because I was young and dumb. Mostly dumb.
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 09:27 AM CST
A problem i forgot to mention is land ownership. In my estimation....id guess that the majority of farm land is owned by non farmers. If it wasn't, then rent would be manageable. Rent is the biggest expense, and that money doesn't even stay in the same county in many cases. People love to throw around that word sustainable, hard for a community to be sustainable when there's a hose draining all the money to an entirely different state in some cases. kinda why we have IFTA and IRP in trucking , right?

I mean no offense to your opinion Randy, just a respectful debate .
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 09:27 AM CST
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Mega carriers try to make the same argument that the farmers make, we need immigrants because there are no Americans that want to drive truck, that’s why every truck stop now looks like a United Nations convention, and the insurance companies are getting out of the market. Of course we all know it’s a false argument, it all comes down to employee pay, but hey we make exceptions for farmers, so why not truckers and factory workers? For me the issue isn’t about farmers, it’s about wether or not the free market is working. If you can’t provide a living wage for your employee’s, then please explain to them why they shouldn’t vote for Bernie Sanders?
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 09:27 AM CST
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There's a good thread right below this one about a guy runnin cheap. All you guys should get together and see how cheap you can get that jimmy wells dude to follow your combines around for
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 09:28 AM CST
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Ag guys get overtime
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 02:45 PM CST
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American and foreign. Get overti.e
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 02:45 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "Could you give an example of what money they are getting? Just for my own knowledge. I agree,let's hire American citizens. But I still stand by my original point. the people that are mad at this situation , have never tried to hire a person for one of these tough jobs, let alone found someone thats not on drugs. I've been rebuilding some pasture fence for the guy that's now renting the land i used to farm. Who's coming to help me dig post holes and string new wire? you can't drive a pickup to80percent of it. You can't drive a 4 wheeler to 20 percent of it. It will take about 2 weeks, 20 pairs of gloves, a tetanus shot and the best exercise experience in the country. Who's coming and whats it going to take financially to get you here? "

Sounds like a vacation. What are the benefits besides the tetanus shot?
Replied on Fri, May 22, 2020 at 02:46 PM CST
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Dave again you are a lot out there you obviously have never farmed or tried to hire people. There are trucking companies advertising for 25 30 dollars an hour for drivers can't seem to get people why Dave why. Its just doesn't sink in with you. You can't pay 30 per hour to pick rock or shovel corn.
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 03:46 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "Mega carriers try to make the same argument that the farmers make, we need immigrants because there are no Americans that want to drive truck, that’s why every truck stop now looks like a United Nations convention, and the insurance companies are getting out of the market. Of course we all know it’s a false argument, it all comes down to employee pay, but hey we make exceptions for farmers, so why not truckers and factory workers? For me the issue isn’t about farmers, it’s about wether or not the free market is working. If you can’t provide a living wage for your employee’s, then please explain to them why they shouldn’t vote for Bernie Sanders? "

We do not have a free market. We have a highly regulated bastardized system where the government picks the winners and the losers through taxes, incentives, and choosing to ignore laws when it doesn't meet their agenda of Globalization. I truly hate it when government crushes people and socialists blane capitalism much like what is currently happening. Destroy people then act like their saviors with other people's money.
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 03:47 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ERIC SCHETTL
Quote: "Dave again you are a lot out there you obviously have never farmed or tried to hire people. There are trucking companies advertising for 25 30 dollars an hour for drivers can't seem to get people why Dave why. Its just doesn't sink in with you. You can't pay 30 per hour to pick rock or shovel corn."

Eric your right, I don’t farm because I am smart enough to know the market is flooded and doesn’t need any more farmers, there is already enough food rotting on the ground, so I stay out of that market, and I have had ITO’s in the past, however I don’t buy company trucks and put drivers in them, because there is no money in it, and I am smart enough to know the market is flooded, and doesn’t need anymore trucks. If what your doing isn’t working, you need to stop blaming everyone else, and go do something else that’s profitable for you. I know plenty of farmers and carriers who stayed small, and all of them are doing just fine, because they didn’t bite off more than they can chew, so they don’t need government to bail them out. I noticed you have 42 trucks divided between two corporations, maybe you should consider downsizing if you can’t find help, sell some land and equipment off.
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 03:47 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ANDREW WENGER
Quote: "Sounds like a vacation. What are the benefits besides the tetanus shot?"

Does drinks when it's done count as a benefit?
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 03:47 PM CST
Eric, lets hear from one of these migrant workers, about whats really going on.


https://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/threads/dahl-trucking-elmore-truck-trailer-europersonnel.191885/
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 03:48 PM CST
Farmers are the reason most of us are working so i respect every farmer. There decisions are there decisions i buy quality american bfgoodrich tires other people buy Chinese recap cheap shit but whose at fault nobody we all have the right to do what fits us best


I think its more of a genartion problem why they hire foreign think about there is a bunch of damn lazy white mexican black you name it kids in america that had alot for them they dont know how to work only a damn cell phone thats why i respect some farmers still teach there kids to work hard and foreigners are less privileged maybe thats why they work a little harder
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 07:43 PM CST
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Iam not a farmer or have anything to do with the farm
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 07:43 PM CST
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Go ahead and try to farm. That was kinda funny. You h a ve really no idea. I don't no but the same guys 20 or so come back every year so money can't be to bad. Just try and find 20 Americans to farm. You talk so crazy like
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 07:44 PM CST
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I went to a huge dairy alot with cotton seed and I watched a Mexican young man get out of a feed tractor one time and he was hoping on one leg and boy did he move. He only had one leg. And I thought to my self here is a guy who actually really wants to work. A can bet you will never see that from a regular guy
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 07:44 PM CST
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But so far Dave it does seem to work it has for 60 years or so. And they seem to get bigger every year must be doing something somewhat right. One of the biggest in the state of not the biggest
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 07:44 PM CST
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Just remember marlin Dahl sat in jail for a long long time bad example
Replied on Sat, May 23, 2020 at 07:44 PM CST
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Dave I think you didn't read the whole reviews. No you look rather silly after I read all of them. Please pick better examples
Replied on Sun, May 24, 2020 at 06:21 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: ERIC SCHETTL
Quote: "Dave I think you didn't read the whole reviews. No you look rather silly after I read all of them. Please pick better examples"

These South African’s were brought over here, to help on the farm, and instead they turn up hauling sand and gravel in the commercial market, funny how you choose to ignore that fact Eric, perhaps you look silly? It’s also funny how rates went up, once they disappeared from the market.
Replied on Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM CST
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Anyone can hire them. So trucking. Landscapers construction anyone. So they are still here and working. So the rates went up so in your mind if you can't pay a living wage you should get out of business. Then we should close every fast food place and actually most small businesses is that true every farm and most retail stores
Replied on Tue, May 26, 2020 at 07:31 AM CST
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I see so much miseducated garble here. Except Mr Dale and few others to whom I'll say thank you for making sense with what you're saying. Now. Let's get to the nitty gritty. I'm a 28 year old black guy who started farming before I was trucking. My dad been doing both. Farming all his life, trucking 40 years. I always tell folks these are the TWO HARDEST BUSINESSES IN AMERICA BAR NONE. That said, trucking you have less negative variables. Far less. Farming you're at the mercy of EVERYTHING pretty much. Now we farm about 300 acres. And tbh I should've started with a truck along with it. I lost 100k real quick. That was 6 years ago. And right now? Far worse. Subsidies have trailed off so everyone excuse my expression but stfu with that bs talk. This administration don't give af about farmers almost as bad as they care less about a daggum truck. The actual work of the business got easier to a point, but making a crop is the devil right now. We had at least 6 inches of rain over the weekend and prayers it don't kill corn cause crop insurance ain't worth a flip neither. Now. To the point of workers. Who actually can say their kids know how to drive a tractor? Have been around a 6 wheeler or end dump or hopper? Who under the age of 50 is willing to climb a bin? Fix an auger motor? You CANNOT just sit anyone on equipment trust me I've got a tractor with a hole in the block because of that right now. Foreigners most times still know the biz, can do the work, and you don't have to train them for 4 weeks THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TIME FOR to hear them moan about the heat or anything else or pay them $26/hr while you're training them and then they might run your 225k tractor in a freaking ditch! Add to that you're getting shafted when you get to the mill on your product? Exactly. There are a many variables that you don't see. And that's just coming from a guy with a relatively tiny miniscule operation. You POTENTIALLY might make big bucks. But you gotta put out bigger to get there and then wait on the return? Ummm yeeeaaahhh I can't wait around for decent "hard-working Americans" to show up. If Luis or Jakande can do the work over Tim? See ya Tim! 🖐
Replied on Tue, May 26, 2020 at 07:31 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "Eric your right, I don’t farm because I am smart enough to know the market is flooded and doesn’t need any more farmers, there is already enough food rotting on the ground, so I stay out of that market, and I have had ITO’s in the past, however I don’t buy company trucks and put drivers in them, because there is no money in it, and I am smart enough to know the market is flooded, and doesn’t need anymore trucks. If what your doing isn’t working, you need to stop blaming everyone else, and go do something else that’s profitable for you. I know plenty of farmers and carriers who stayed small, and all of them are doing just fine, because they didn’t bite off more than they can chew, so they don’t need government to bail them out. I noticed you have 42 trucks divided between two corporations, maybe you should consider downsizing if you can’t find help, sell some land and equipment off."

I remember back in the '90s a relative in the pig business saying he didn't like "working for the government", but. I also remember complaining to my brother in law (not the pig farmer) about such subsidies. He asked me if there was a subsidy for trucking, if I would take it? After a quick thought I told him I would have gotten out of trucking long before I needed a subsidy. I have doubled the size of my fleet to two when there was demand. And I have cut my fleet in half to just me when the demand went away. I provide a service and expect a profit. Get rich? Maybe some do. Some go broke. I smile every time I hear ole Kenny Rogers sing "the gambler". "The best you can hope for is to die in your sleep."

Replied on Sun, May 31, 2020 at 06:41 PM CST
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Hey Justin, its interesting to hear from other farmers. I wish you luck in your farming goals. In my opinion, the ONLY way to earn a living farming, is if your grandpa paid the land off prior to the 1980s. If a farmer is paying full rent price, or a full land payment, there is zero room for any level of income, just a generation of young farmers throwing living expenses on a line of credit for a few years until the bankers says its time to sell off, at a fraction of what is owed. Most farmers that I know have full time jobs, just like your dad. My dad always had a job while farming, I always did too. I just decided I'm not going to work that many hours any more, to feed people that are genuinely annoyed by my existence.

As for this administration not caring about farmers?? This is the ONLY administration I've EVER heard talk about farmers and ranchers in my adult life. Do they actually care? Odds are they don't. Nobody does. As far as farming goes, im starting to resent it. The ag bailout was a huge disaster. We paid people to raise beans that were worth nothing. That caused farmers to continue raising a crop that was already worth nothing. We created a larger over supply of a crop that is already not worth anything. We created financial dependency. Farmer welfare. Interesting times. I hope you make it work Justin. I wanted my kids to grow up on a farm. Now my 3 daughters only care about long hood petes, and that's great too.

I wish we could have this discussion, with all involved, at some pub somewhere. But a bunch of working class people getting together is probably illegal right now. But burning down autozone is ok.

Be safe everyone.
Replied on Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 07:47 AM CST
As to you Mr Dale. We gotta have a convo sometime. As for this administration. They don't care about anything other than their pockets out genuinely seems. There have been more bankruptcies of farms than ever and unless it's produce it's hard to make it big unless you're direct - marketing a crop. With this spring's weather the corn crop might be terrible and prices in the tank, it's gonna be a pure bred mess. Trucking if we don't make a comeback soon. Same deal. We're in a MESS
Replied on Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 11:43 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "A problem i forgot to mention is land ownership. In my estimation....id guess that the majority of farm land is owned by non farmers. If it wasn't, then rent would be manageable. Rent is the biggest expense, and that money doesn't even stay in the same county in many cases. People love to throw around that word sustainable, hard for a community to be sustainable when there's a hose draining all the money to an entirely different state in some cases. kinda why we have IFTA and IRP in trucking , right? I mean no offense to your opinion Randy, just a respectful debate ."

So this farmer who gets paid for not planting a certain crop isn't getting money from the government is that what your saying.. explain to me where does it come from .. poof it magically appears, not one paper was filled out, not one form just poof. And crp just hands out the money
Replied on Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 11:43 AM CST
Originally Posted by: LUIS ARGOTH
Quote: "You should ask teague and kieth bath and all the dairy owners feed lot owners why they hire foreigners pinneo ect the list goes on and on"

Its called cheap labor, just like trucking your friends will work for nothing, haul for nothing.
Replied on Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 12:43 PM CST

Maybe if your government paid bail out money to actual farmers instead of share holders in a farm company, they might come close to being able to afford to hire american workers but i doubt it.

Replied on Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 12:44 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: Randy Swopes
Quote: "So this farmer who gets paid for not planting a certain crop isn't getting money from the government is that what your saying.. explain to me where does it come from .. poof it magically appears, not one paper was filled out, not one form just poof. And crp just hands out the money"

Not one paper? Not one form? When was the last time you turned in PP acres? Because what you just said is a lie, or ignorance, you tell me which one.. Calling prevented plant acres a government handout is like saying progressive insurance is paying you subsidies after an accident. Its not a government handout from progressive because YOU PAID THE DAMN PREMIUMS....but somehow a farmer that collects after they pay a premium is a government handout??? Poof,magically a handout after they paid the premium TO THE GOVERNMENT. crop insurance is federal. By your logic, anyone who's ever collected an insurance payment is "on the tit" as you stated. Sure they have the option to not be in the farm program and not buy insurance from the government........unless they have a loan on the inputs, then the bank mandates it? Sound familiar? Kinda like full coverage on a vehicle right? I guess its different because why?? Damn farmers. Thats why. Crp, a handout?? ITS MY MONEY. That "INVESTMENT" in crp, brings pheasant hunting to my state, which happens to be one of the states biggest incomes. Its not a handout, its an investment. Buy land if you're jealous.

Randy, you're more than welcome to blame all your problems on farmers, you'll have no problems solved by doing so. A look in the mirror is what fixed my financial problems. Give it a try.

Lastly , what address would you like all of my government agricultural paperwork sent to. ill send the last10 years, the freight will be more than shipping a truck transmission i bet. ill give you permission to share everything but the tax returns with everyone on this forum , because I want them to hear it come from you.
Replied on Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 07:09 AM CST
It’s a broken system, government has been picking winners and losers, by meddling in the market, and now the peasants have gathered up their pitch forks and torches, to take back what’s rightfully theirs, these protests are just a sign of what’s to come. There is a price to be paid for beating and starving people.
Replied on Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 07:10 AM CST
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "Maybe if your government paid bail out money to actual farmers instead of share holders in a farm company, they might come close to being able to afford to hire american workers but i doubt it."

In my opinion, American farmers don't want bailout money. They want the government regulations lifted that make it illegal to sell direct to consumers. That regulation guarantees the huge companies stay huge and stay profitable, yet still need to be bailed out. Those regulations, and those companies abusing the programs are who everyone should be mad at, and writing your elected officials about. In the United States of America, it is illegal for me to butcher a steer, and sell you a steak. I can give you a steak, but its criminal to sell it to you. See the problem here?
Replied on Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 02:55 PM CST

Dale: Beleive it or not there is a way around the law that says you can`t sell meat direct.

21 U.S. Code § 623.Exemptions from inspection requirements
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(a)Personal slaughtering and custom slaughtering for personal, household, guest, and employee uses
The provisions of this subchapter requiring inspection of the slaughter of animals and the preparation of the carcasses, parts thereof, meat and meat food products at establishments conducting such operations for commerce shall not apply to the slaughtering by any person of animals of his own raising, and the preparation by him and transportation in commerce of the carcasses, parts thereof, meat and meat food products of such animals exclusively for use by him and members of his household and his nonpaying guests and employees; nor to the custom slaughter by any person, firm, or corporation of cattle, sheep, swine or goats delivered by the owner thereof for such slaughter, and the preparation by such slaughterer and transportation in commerce of the carcasses, parts thereof, meat and meat food products of such animals, exclusively for use, in the household of such owner, by him and members of his household and his nonpaying guests and employees; nor to the custom preparation by any person, firm, or corporation of carcasses, parts thereof, meat or meat food products, derived from the slaughter by any person of cattle, sheep, swine, or goats of his own raising, or from game animals, delivered by the owner thereof for such custom preparation, and transportation in commerce of such custom prepared articles, exclusively for use in the household of such owner, by him and members of his household and his nonpaying guests and employees: Provided, That in cases where such person, firm, or corporation engages in such custom operations at an establishment at which inspection under this subchapter is maintained, the Secretary may exempt from such inspection at such establishment any animals slaughtered or any meat or meat food products otherwise prepared on such custom basis: Provided further, That custom operations at any establishment shall be exempt from inspection requirements as provided by this section only if the establishment complies with regulations which the Secretary is hereby authorized to promulgate to assure that any carcasses, parts thereof, meat or meat food products wherever handled on a custom basis, or any containers or packages containing such articles, are separated at all times from carcasses, parts thereof, meat or meat food products prepared for sale, and that all such articles prepared on a custom basis, or any containers or packages containing such articles, are plainly marked “Not for Sale” immediately after being prepared and kept so identified until delivered to the owner and that the establishment conducting the custom operation is maintained and operated in a sanitary manner.

A good example would go like this.

You have four people that would each like to OWN a quarter of a beef. They in turn enter into an agreement to become 1/4 OWNERS in the animal.

When it comes time to slaughter the animal since they are the owners you can leagally consumate the slaughter under the CUSTOM exemption in the federal law and there would be no federal inspection of the meat required. BINGO: Done deal. Try it and you may open a new avenue to sell your product.

Replied on Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 05:54 PM CST
Allen. thank you for putting that up here. The state of Wyoming has done a good job bringing awareness to that, as well as ranchers rebelion here in the dakotas. Its a start, but my complaint with it is that it cuts out, what I would say, is the largest customer base. Many people don't buy halves and quarters, wether financial reasons, or they live in an apartment and don't have room for a deep freeze. It cuts out the ability to sell a few steaks and a few pounds of hamburger. If the law had food safety in mind, the meat would be whats illegal, not the financial transaction. That's a huge benefit for the Tyson foods and Smithfield foods of the world. Your quote about government being the problem is spot on.
Replied on Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 10:30 AM CST
Don't kid yourself, it's the money, it's always the money. Follow the money as the old saying goes. Today's generation was lazy and stupid and the country was going to hell when we were kids, when our parents were kids, and when our grandparents were kids. I'm still waiting to see that pitchfork. As another old saying goes: you get what you pay for. If you pay substandard wages, you'll have substandard employees, if you work for substandard wages, you'll have a substandard employer.