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8.2 MPG

Nov 03, 2015 at 12:17 PM CST
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Have a driver who keeps showing his ass and getting speeding tickets. Got an 86 in a 50, 74 in a 40. I had Cummuns cut his ISX down to 64mph and the power set for 475.

Mileage went from 5.4mpg up to 8.2mpg. Same driver, same route, same 79,000 gross.

If I can afford crying towels now I like it. Drivers sure bitch when the triple digit potential goes away.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 12:51 PM CST
Want even better.. Turn it down to 55..thats why all the bigguns turn them down.. Fuel is a major part of your expensises. Of course the driver might not like it...
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 01:07 PM CST
Oh I know. This driver is raising more hell than a drunk Chinese laundry boy on pay day but the extra mileage has captured my attention.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 06:41 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Oh I know. This driver is raising more hell than a drunk Chinese laundry boy on pay day but the extra mileage has captured my attention."

Tell him if he wants to go faster then he should buy his own truck.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 06:43 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Oh I know. This driver is raising more hell than a drunk Chinese laundry boy on pay day but the extra mileage has captured my attention."

I would have already gotten rid of him, he is an accident waiting to happen. My insurance company would have given me the choice let him go or face a 5% increase, have not found a driver one that was willing to pay for that increase out of their wages.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:42 PM CST
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how does your insurance company even allow you to keep people like that. Great West throws a fit even if our drivers get anything over 10 the posted speed in a personal vehicle. If those numbers you are telling are true, this driver is very lucky they were not charged with careless or reckless driving
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:52 PM CST
The guess I would make is the insurance folks havent run the 90 day check yet. I would imagine he's out of here when they do run it. When we did his pre-emp MVR in the past 5 years he had one ticket for speeding, 68 in a 60 and one ticket for overweight on a group of axles. Both tickets were over 2 years old
Replied on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 08:36 AM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "The guess I would make is the insurance folks havent run the 90 day check yet. I would imagine he's out of here when they do run it. When we did his pre-emp MVR in the past 5 years he had one ticket for speeding, 68 in a 60 and one ticket for overweight on a group of axles. Both tickets were over 2 years old"

Why would you wait for the insurance company, or for that matter any other third party, to make the "decision" to get rid of him? It is your company to run not anyone else's. Surely you have internal controls and qualifications that would have already dealt with this issue?!?!
Replied on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 12:06 PM CST
I dont have a crystal ball to get driver status updates. When i became aware I wasn't gonna fire the man and fly another driver to Montana, and won't the next time something like this happens.. He did a fine job finishing his assignment at reduced speed.
Replied on Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 01:12 AM CST
Jerry, on a different rant. I have tried many things. But for us in our geographical area giving my trucks more horespower and has so far paid off the best. I have tried speed limiting to no avail. Maybe it is the difference in trailers.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 09:33 AM CST
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Mr Pfluger, I am not sure you took the time to see but I have a name. A fairly uncommon name so when you google it you will see just who I am. No I am not a TQL company or some other faceless person responding to a message like so many of you want to say about people when they arent the core of posters on here or someone who has just a differing opinion. Just because I am not one of the few that normally post on here does not mean that I am inexperienced or have no clue of what I am saying or doing. Whether you respect me or not is not something that is going to wreck my day. I do not recall calling anyone names or disrespecting anyone but merely asked a question. However, you found it to be your business to throw in your two cents, which is your right. However when you made the judgemental remarks of me being a bottom feeder and being ball-less is where now your ass is showing. You have already said you do not know who we are, so how do you make the judgement that i am taking the cheapest freight being offered? Because we may ask about a load being posted? Because we ask does that mean that we took it? Again you dont know my business just as i dont know yours to make sweeping generalized comments in its regard. I believe you were riding the same horse you accused me of.

Because these comments are black and white and allow little insight at times, people like to read more into responses than the response actually intended or try to add tone and inflection where there may not be. I am sure there was a whole lot more to Mr Becks story than he posted. But if his tickets were as he stated (34 and 36 miles over the limit), there is a problem. At that point, the driver is just stupid. You all know what is said about "fixing stupid." You can turn trucks down all you want, which we do and yes it reaps greatly in the fuel savings. Even if you turn them down to 65, that doesn't stop them from doing 65 in a 35. You pointed out, Mr Pfluger, that you didnt need an insurance company telling you when to get rid of someone. I do believe that was the point I was trying to make. Again we are on the same horse.

You are preaching to the choir about rehab'ing drivers. I too share the joy and pains of keeping the seats full. Yes the past 5 years I have had to kiss more asses and make more concessions to keep the seats full than I have in all of the 15 years prior to that. You can't make people want to work. I would much rather have an empty seat than a person in it that is a risk. Yes, that is my opinion and may not be that of others.

Yes we too have a family atmosphere. You are not the only one with that blessing. Many of us are and its what keeps people wanting to stay with your company. There is not a one of our drivers (165 company not counting O/O) that does not have my cell number (618-615-1097) and knows they can call it at whatever hour of the day or night. That is all well and good but I will cut family in a heartbeat if that person is jeapordizing everything that years of risk, work, toil and good business has created. This is a business first and foremost. I leave my emotion at the door. The passion is defnitely there but the emotion is gone. Family or not when you place an undue risk on our business, its time to go. Its a sad, stark reality but when you hand that driver the keys to the truck, you just handed them the power over everything you have worked your life to build, Keys to your home, savings, retirement and your entire business and the means to support your family after you pass. You can rehab all you want but that doesn't make that driver appreciate what you are entrusting him with. Again, at 30+ over the limit the driver doesn't give a rats ass about you or your company.

Mr Beck, I apologize for using your drivers actions in this response. It was the easiest example to use in this regard. Mr Jordan touched on this as well, that driver wouldnt be around any longer. My whole point is that I too wouldnt wait for the insurance company to make that decision. No, I didnt mean fire him on the spot and fly a driver out in his stead but when he got back he would be gone. In the time it takes the insurance company to catch up to the tickets that same driver could have thought 65 in a 40 was fine and took out the soccer mom van and 4 kids that didnt think the truck was going that fast when they puled out.

This can all be interpreted in the way that suits your mood and differently by each person. My phones always on. I wont be responding to any other posts on this topic as this represents the ilk that is social media. Its easier to use black and white words to battle with at times. In the words of Mr Pfluger, "grow a set" and call if you have issue with me or my comments. My number is posted.
Replied on Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 09:50 AM CST
Mr.Oetjen,
You are right. My comments got out of hand and I should not of said that. I asked Jared to pull the post. I apologize to you and your company.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 02:35 PM CST
Originally Posted by: TERRY OETJEN
Quote: "Why would you wait for the insurance company, or for that matter any other third party, to make the "decision" to get rid of him? It is your company to run not anyone else's. Surely you have internal controls and qualifications that would have already dealt with this issue?!?! "

Not all companies have a safety department as many small companies the owner just could be out on the road as well as the flagrant driver.. A story that happened in Reno Nevada about 25years ago.. This is why you need to bring the driver back to your terminal.. Even if you fly in another to drive the truck.. A big trucking company don't remember who.. Fired the driver at the Alamo truck stop here in town. The company doesnt have a terminal here.. They know he cleaned out the truck.. Walked along one of the main streets here checking to steal a car to get home.. Walked past Cashman equipment.. The CAT dealer.. (they had just preped a brand new 777dump truck with a tank at fuel.. Ready to be delivered to a customer) this fine ex driver stole this big dump truck and started to head towards Sacramento, California.. He made it about half way and gave up as he could only go 35..of course got arrested... Just something to think about when you have a problem driver on the road.. And I bet dimes to dollars that trucking company that fired the guy had to pay a hefty transport bill and any repairs to that dump truck..
Replied on Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 03:05 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JEFF PEARSON
Quote: "Not all companies have a safety department as many small companies the owner just could be out on the road as well as the flagrant driver.. A story that happened in Reno Nevada about 25years ago.. This is why you need to bring the driver back to your terminal.. Even if you fly in another to drive the truck.. A big trucking company don't remember who.. Fired the driver at the Alamo truck stop here in town. The company doesnt have a terminal here.. They know he cleaned out the truck.. Walked along one of the main streets here checking to steal a car to get home.. Walked past Cashman equipment.. The CAT dealer.. (they had just preped a brand new 777dump truck with a tank at fuel.. Ready to be delivered to a customer) this fine ex driver stole this big dump truck and started to head towards Sacramento, California.. He made it about half way and gave up as he could only go 35..of course got arrested... Just something to think about when you have a problem driver on the road.. And I bet dimes to dollars that trucking company that fired the guy had to pay a hefty transport bill and any repairs to that dump truck.."

Best to take care of it back at the home base. Hopefully the drive can stay out of trouble until you get him back home. I believe that is what Jerry did, brought the truck in turned it down, most likely put the guy on probation, and let him know any more such problems over the next year or two that he would have to let him go. I try and keep an much in house as possible, if you do like he did the insurance company is more flexible and often will not raise the rates.

Jerry had a plan and he implemented it, like he said the guy checked out before he hired him. Some people just can't handle the responsibility of having a wide open truck. I let our guys know when they start out if you can't manage the pedal it will manage you. If I have to fly somewhere to get my equipment, it will be the most miserable ride home for that driver, he or she will listen to me for the amount of hours it takes to get back home. I then in return will see it as my duty to make sure that they don't drive OTR again. We carriers have a moral obligation to let each other know when the driver is a douchebag otherwise we are just passing the problem to the next guy. We must do this with tact in order to not find ourselves in a big lawsuit for blackballing. I keep it simple, just tell the actual truth of the events that occurred and keep my emotions out of it.
Replied on Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 12:39 PM CST
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Thats close Alfred. The truck had to go into the shop in Wyoming for an oil cooler. While it was in the shop I had it castrated. A few of our drivers go north and stay 6-8 weeks at a time working the oil patch. This was one of those drivers. When he made it home I had to get him off the road so I cut him loose.

He's a dang good mechanic so I'll probly put him in the shop when he gets over his mad spell. He's a good man he just likes to hot rod.
Replied on Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 01:07 PM CST
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I tell my guys if you can't handle the open trucks, than we will be more than happy to cut them back for you. I believe in letting the guys run according to their skill set, but they are on percentage and pay for the fuel. If they want to get 5.5 vs 8.5 then it really does not matter to me, I gave up argueing with drivers over the right rpm's to run for various loads and roads. They all seem to know more than me about that sort of thing, even after I go out with them for a week and show them how to get the better fuel mileage within two weeks they are right back where they were before. It's their money, even the company operators loose if they run under 6 mpg. If they get 6 mpg or better I pay them a 1% of the gross revenue fuel bonus at the end of the quarter. Sad thing is I have only paid that 2 times in 5 years.

Hopefully your guy gets his head screwed back on, works for you as a mechanic until his tickets settle down, and later when you and him feel his is ready, give it a whirl again. I had one guy that I had to do the same thing with. I had another two that I just let go, they were too risky, I think it depends on the individual. I was young once and loved to Hot Rod as well, after a coulple of tickets and about ready to loose my license that curbed the Hot Rodding on the road, and I would only do it on the track from then on.

I knew your original post was more about the mpg increase vs the driver situation, I figured once you got him in you would take care of that. Your reputation is that you run a tight ship.
Replied on Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 01:21 PM CST
I have to be a little tough on these guys Alfred. We do direct business with 3 of the largest petrochemical producers in the world. The 3 most important things we have to concentrate on are safety, safety, and safety.
Replied on Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 08:52 AM CST
You can tell this drivver really has no restraint.. but cutting it back to 64mph from this standpoint is a bit much. I know it's quite frustrating driving a truck that can't even do the SPEED LIMIT. I think 70-72 would have been more in line but that's not my truck, so this is strictly my opinion... which means nothing.. LOL. However, I am glad to see that you'll be able to save money, in the long run, on fuel... that savings right there is worth the castration... 8.2 MPG is darn good...
Replied on Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 07:34 PM CST
You've made a good point Shedrick but I'd rather piss him off so he quits than have to pay him unemployment from firing him. I'll turn the truck back up to 75 or 80 once the smoke clears.

We have a new guy processing in right now just waiting for his background check.