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Sep 02, 2015 at 07:59 PM CST
Hi all, been looking to put a truck on specifically for hopper... Pete's as always are 60's for an 07'.... same for W900. Trying to keep the debt load low. FLD classics or double bunks too tall?

Thoughts welcomed. I appreciate the advice.

kevin
Replied on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 02:57 PM CST
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WELL OK! 577 people viewed this post and not one reply? Thank you so much for your exhilarating community interaction on this amazingly robust and informative forum.

For the record, I'm pursuing a 2001 Pete, it's being sent to the shop for pre-buy inspection as we speak, if the blowby is less than 60% of the CAT rated horsepower, I'll pull the trigger on the wire transfer.

So all you truck drivers and industry pros, have a safe Labor Day weekend.

Kevin

Replied on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 03:48 PM CST
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Well first of ALL hopper get paid by the pound they dump, and i know there are lot lighter engines the a Cat , So if u are looking to make money , find a light weight truck , and i know petes are nice looking trucks but i can but up with ugly if i have a fat wallet
Replied on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 04:23 PM CST
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We run Volvo's, can get more weight on. A VNL 780 is about the same as a Pete 379 on being able to haul 25T all the time legal. My guy put on 25T today and with full tanks was only at 78,250 for gross. That is with a 2015 Timpte, 40' x 96" x 78", our VNL 670 will haul 27T - 28T legally, may not look as cool as the Pete's but they sure do make us more money then the Pete's did.
Replied on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 08:01 PM CST
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Well I am amazed because I have read the forums all summer. The common theme is the lack of freight and cheap freight also that it is next to impossible to hire a good driver. So my advice it to get right after it and add a truck why not two while your at it. Most important don't worry about aerodynamics fuel efficiency or weight.
Replied on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 08:07 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DWIGHT COLEMAN
Quote: "Well I am amazed because I have read the forums all summer. The common theme is the lack of freight and cheap freight also that it is next to impossible to hire a good driver. So my advice it to get right after it and add a truck why not two while your at it. Most important don't worry about aerodynamics fuel efficiency or weight."

shhhh....here now Dwight you behave. 8^). LMAO

Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 10:52 AM CST
DIDO. I was going to say minus the sarcasm but I wouldn't discourage my competition from buying a fuel guzzling lead sled.
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:21 AM CST
I hear you on that, Steve I appreciate the reply.

Kevin
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:23 AM CST
Hi Alfred, do you run dual bunk tall Volvo's? The thing is, I would like to take my kids sometimes.... how often is height an issue?

Thanks,
kevin
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:27 AM CST
Jerry,
I don't mind the sarcasm and for cheap rates, well, same is said for flats sometimes, my view is negotiate harder, that's what I did.

Safe weekend.

Kevin
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:32 AM CST
Dwight,
I don't mind the sarcasm, and for rates, well, it's up to me to get a better deal and manage my business smarter. No offense intended.

k
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:46 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "We run Volvo's, can get more weight on. A VNL 780 is about the same as a Pete 379 on being able to haul 25T all the time legal. My guy put on 25T today and with full tanks was only at 78,250 for gross. That is with a 2015 Timpte, 40' x 96" x 78", our VNL 670 will haul 27T - 28T legally, may not look as cool as the Pete's but they sure do make us more money then the Pete's did."

The shop hasn't returned the manometer and oil analysis yet. I had a '94 and always got 6 and 6.5 if I eased way back. The tare on this one is 16,898, so with fuel leaves about 53k and change with the new Timpte. But it's single bunk, and as I said in the post where I forgot to include your quote, I want to bring my son sometimes. Plywood across the seats for him. lol.

Safe weekend.

kevin
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:48 AM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN MCCARTY
Quote: "Hi Alfred, do you run dual bunk tall Volvo's? The thing is, I would like to take my kids sometimes.... how often is height an issue? Thanks, kevin"

Double bunks all of our trucks except for the Pete. We had dry vans first, before getting into hoppers, the only problem with the tall boy (that is what all our customers call it) is that you will have to back into some of the holes that normally you would be able to just pull through with a mid-roof or flat top. You can get two bunks in the Volvo's in the mid-roof as well, that will also drop the weight of the truck by about another 1000 lbs. That is what I am going to on the hopper side of things in the future, a Volvo VNL 730 mid-roof is a great hopper truck. To maximize you weight but still have a good OTR truck the VNL 660 with a removable cap, is lighter but still comfortable enough to take the family out as well. The nice thing about the 660 cap is that you can take the cap off in about two hours, then it is a mid-roof, put the cap back on for running vans. I wish they had the 730 set up like that, but I have not seen one yet.
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:50 AM CST
For resale value, it is hard to beat the Pete.

I grew up on Volvo's/Jimmy's and Pete's so I am going to be partial to them.
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:50 AM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN MCCARTY
Quote: "Dwight, I don't mind the sarcasm, and for rates, well, it's up to me to get a better deal and manage my business smarter. No offense intended. k"

You're right it's up to us as owners to negotiate the price. Problem is having so many owners out here that don't have the first clue on what it cost to run a truck so they screw up the market with low ball bids.
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 12:51 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "You're right it's up to us as owners to negotiate the price. Problem is having so many owners out here that don't have the first clue on what it cost to run a truck so they screw up the market with low ball bids."

dang, !!!! I got the quote include right this time.

Jerry, you hit it on the head. I got my CDL in Austin, Tx 1989, and the big topic of conversation on the CB & truckstop was, "those brokers suck, the rates suck, we as truckers need to do something, JB and Schneider are wrecking the industry". I could go on, but it's obvious, the problem isn't the brokers, it's the OO, or company owner not understanding the business.

In this equation of running a successful business, the main risk variable is the object controlling the price. The risk object isn't necessarily the broker, it can be a sub-broker or conglomerate ag company, or the economy, or regional issues. If we do not understand where we fit in the ENTIRE economic chain, we have no leverage to change our position.

The broker knows his quota, his margin, and it's higher than most understand. For me, I create the relationship with the brokers, multiple so I am not locked into one. A broker wants to have peace of mind over a rate, any day. What person wants to worry about his/her name getting dragged through the mud if a carrier can't deliver?
The broker has a risk to his credibility as well as we do.

The good ones always tell me, "Kevin, if the first thing an OO asks is, "what are the rates", I give him the shit loads. But if a guy has a conversation and treats me with respect, I always have the good loads in my pocket or know when they are coming". And I will work with them too, I will take a less than prime rate to help him out, knowing that odds are I will be one of the first on his speed dial, when he's got something good or is in a jam. It's give and take. That right there is one of the keys to managing the risk variable of a poor rate. (notice how i didn't swear there? I am learning).


Frankly, I wouldn't want the pressure of being a broker. It's the original sales pyramid, their 2nd and 3rd level bosses are the ones who make the jack come bonus time. Let's hope these new people who posted Wednesday about starting their own brokerage understand my points and not get sucked up into not knowing how to rise to the top.


My 2 cents.

Thanks for letting me spew.

Kevin




Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 01:14 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Double bunks all of our trucks except for the Pete. We had dry vans first, before getting into hoppers, the only problem with the tall boy (that is what all our customers call it) is that you will have to back into some of the holes that normally you would be able to just pull through with a mid-roof or flat top. You can get two bunks in the Volvo's in the mid-roof as well, that will also drop the weight of the truck by about another 1000 lbs. That is what I am going to on the hopper side of things in the future, a Volvo VNL 730 mid-roof is a great hopper truck. To maximize you weight but still have a good OTR truck the VNL 660 with a removable cap, is lighter but still comfortable enough to take the family out as well. The nice thing about the 660 cap is that you can take the cap off in about two hours, then it is a mid-roof, put the cap back on for running vans. I wish they had the 730 set up like that, but I have not seen one yet."

Thanks Alfred. The 730 is a good looking truck, they have the D13, much better than the D12 imho for heavy loads. A friend has a D12 pulling skateboards and isn't that happy out west or in high wind.

I found a 880 Volvo with the D16, a fine truck with crazy torque ([email protected]) but it's 19,880 with 1/4 fuel! Yikes. Great for a heavy haul lowboy operation.

k
Replied on Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 09:05 AM CST
Alfred, How is your 670 spec'd? I am looking at 630's and the lightest I've found one spec'd is 16,800 that 1/4 tank no driver, clothes TV etc by my calculations you'd need to be somewhere around 15 to load 28 ton
Replied on Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 09:09 AM CST
Steve, What do your trucks weigh? Also how do y'all spec rear end, transmission and HP. If possible can you email me at [email protected] Thanks Nick
Replied on Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 09:26 AM CST
Originally Posted by: NICK VELDMAN
Quote: "Alfred, How is your 670 spec'd? I am looking at 630's and the lightest I've found one spec'd is 16,800 that 1/4 tank no driver, clothes TV etc by my calculations you'd need to be somewhere around 15 to load 28 ton"

16500 with half tanks. 3:42 rears 10 spd Volvo d12, 535 hp., 1950 torque, matched with a 2014 40'x96"x78 timpte that weighs 9100 lbs. This truck has an 80 gallon on the drivers side and a 120 on the passenger side. Bought it off a grainhauler in Springfield mo. When we run only 80 gallons that is when you can get the 28t legally.
Replied on Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 12:53 PM CST
Thanks Alfred
Replied on Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 10:24 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DWIGHT COLEMAN
Quote: "Well I am amazed because I have read the forums all summer. The common theme is the lack of freight and cheap freight also that it is next to impossible to hire a good driver. So my advice it to get right after it and add a truck why not two while your at it. Most important don't worry about aerodynamics fuel efficiency or weight."

So maybe you should take some of the forums with a grain of salt. The people I'm working with don't have issues with extended slow freight, and I mentioned what I got for mileage on the last Pete I drove before. Also, the tare weight is 16, 898, not bad for a 'lead sled'.

When someone asks a legitimate question, you step on them with sarcasm? I spent the last 5 years working in some pretty crap places, worrying about personal safety every minute of the day, so after 43 pages in my passport, it pisses me off, how we as Americans treat each other. If I asked my peers no questions, then I would be stupid.

On my budget, the Pete is a good choice for resale, meaning, as I put money into it, the portion of return I get compared to owning a FL or Volvo makes up for the spend.

The other trucks in the same year they've not been as tight or maintained. Saving 1500 to 2K per month on a payment goes a long way to establishing a good maintenance account. It will be paid for, and I don't drive like an idiot. On Friday, the blowby measured 1.5" wc at idle, and 2.5" wc at full speed, oil analysis will be returned tomorrow morning and I arrived in town tonight to inspect the truck.

Last points: If I have to spend a lot of hours in the damn thing, I want to feel good about being in it. I like the fact that my engine block is made in IL, and not Sweden or Germany.

Thanks for letting me vent.



Replied on Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 07:21 AM CST
I specced T660's KW's new in '09 and '10. and new Timpte tandems in '12. We stamp at 24,700 full of fuel. Very few are as light as we are with an emissions engine truck. We also have 36" Aerocab flat tops incase we would ever need to stay out a night. Our running is 98% at home in KS, so multiple axle rigs for the most part, do not benefit us. I have tried to maximize the payload we can carry on interstate, yet still have a truck that's comfortable to drive. They work well for us.
Replied on Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:58 PM CST
Nothing wrong with any make of truck as long as they are spec'ed to the owners needs.

I personally am a Volvo guy with the Volvo engines, I have had very good luck with these machines. The first one I drove was in Germany and I was impressed with what it did vs the Freightliners and Internationals that the Army had at the time. I have back issues and the Volvo's tend to ride better so beside the durability of their engines, the ride and fuel is important to me. Also I have found that the way they are set up is hard for a boner (driver) to tear up.

I then prefer the Pete 379 with a Cat or Cummins, for the hopper side of things. Dry Vans I will stick with a Volvo or T600 for turning radious, I personally think any tractor could make one money in the right hands. What does it matter what you buy, as long as it is what you like, it does the job you need, and continues to make you money for the long haul. My cousin had a W9 that he just sold with 1.3M on the 650 hp Cat (never opened), he averaged between 6.2 - 6.8 hauling hopper. The only reason he got rid of it was because it drove him nuts that he was always short by a Ton because of weight. He now has a 379 and still gets the same fuel but can haul the extra Ton or two. Both were beautiful trucks and in the long run the KW and Pete will always out sell the others. I plan on running the Volvo's until they drop so that does not matter to me.
Replied on Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 09:26 PM CST
The best truck to own is one that's paid for. When you turn them over, they pretty much all look like sisters anyways....so buy what fits your budget and preference. I've always run KW's, but when the time comes to upgrade, I will look at others too.
Replied on Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 07:51 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Nothing wrong with any make of truck as long as they are spec'ed to the owners needs. I personally am a Volvo guy with the Volvo engines, I have had very good luck with these machines. The first one I drove was in Germany and I was impressed with what it did vs the Freightliners and Internationals that the Army had at the time. I have back issues and the Volvo's tend to ride better so beside the durability of their engines, the ride and fuel is important to me. Also I have found that the way they are set up is hard for a boner (driver) to tear up. I then prefer the Pete 379 with a Cat or Cummins, for the hopper side of things. Dry Vans I will stick with a Volvo or T600 for turning radious, I personally think any tractor could make one money in the right hands. What does it matter what you buy, as long as it is what you like, it does the job you need, and continues to make you money for the long haul. My cousin had a W9 that he just sold with 1.3M on the 650 hp Cat (never opened), he averaged between 6.2 - 6.8 hauling hopper. The only reason he got rid of it was because it drove him nuts that he was always short by a Ton because of weight. He now has a 379 and still gets the same fuel but can haul the extra Ton or two. Both were beautiful trucks and in the long run the KW and Pete will always out sell the others. I plan on running the Volvo's until they drop so that does not matter to me."

Well said Alfred. Can I give you a call on Monday?
Replied on Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 09:46 AM CST
I had a classic condo i had to watch on rural roads for low limbs and such. The classic condos are heavy trucks too. I have been running a flat top pete for years now. Besides, the petes sure do handle a lot better than those freightshakers. Good luck to you and god bless
Replied on Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:06 AM CST
Originally Posted by: TRENT MCCAIN
Quote: "The best truck to own is one that's paid for. When you turn them over, they pretty much all look like sisters anyways....so buy what fits your budget and preference. I've always run KW's, but when the time comes to upgrade, I will look at others too."

That's right. Whatever fits the bill is what's best. I run Western Star, Pete, Farmall, and Mack. The one thing I stick with is Cat or Detroit engines in everything except the Macks. Detroit is best for me, Cat is #2. I have to say the Mack's get fair to good fuel mileage and give less trouble than Cat but more than Detroit. Cummins is a solid red POS and worthless to me. Others have good luck with them but the 3 I've owned were junk.

I usually run any truck up around 1.5 to 2mil miles and trade in value has never been a concern.
Replied on Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 08:29 PM CST
I haven't had good luck with Cummins either, but when I ordered new KW's in '08, '09, '10 I had that or a Paccar. Figuring I have Cat Cummins and Detroit in our small town, Cummins seemed like the logical. I'll give Paccar a serious look or possibly another make of truck and drive 100 miles to the dealer. If I could spec a twin sister to what I have now only with a pre emissions Cat or 12.7 Detroit, I'd be pleased. I might try and build a glider before they outlaw them too. I'm enjoying paid for trucks for now, and might just rebuild these as there is nothing a new truck will do better than what I have and the price keeps going up every year. It's a tough call right now.
Replied on Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 04:19 PM CST
Originally Posted by: TRENT MCCAIN
Quote: "I haven't had good luck with Cummins either, but when I ordered new KW's in '08, '09, '10 I had that or a Paccar. Figuring I have Cat Cummins and Detroit in our small town, Cummins seemed like the logical. I'll give Paccar a serious look or possibly another make of truck and drive 100 miles to the dealer. If I could spec a twin sister to what I have now only with a pre emissions Cat or 12.7 Detroit, I'd be pleased. I might try and build a glider before they outlaw them too. I'm enjoying paid for trucks for now, and might just rebuild these as there is nothing a new truck will do better than what I have and the price keeps going up every year. It's a tough call right now."

Hi all,

OK! Success on the truck, it's a 2010 Freightliner Colombia with a DD15, set at 560 with a 13. Rides nice and not too freightshaky... lol. I think it will fit the bill in either the van role or hopper role. It's not as cool as the Pete, but it is sure as heck is practical.

Thanks for everyone's feedback, I'll keep posting about the DD15 as time goes on.


Happy Saturday.