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Aug 21, 2020 at 10:21 PM CST
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Just getting into hauling ag lime and rock. Is ag line considered exempt? It'd be from the quarry to the field. What about the rock?

Replied on Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 11:17 AM CST
The list I found doesn't specify on lime, but commercial fertilizer is not considered an ag exempt product and I'd wonder if lime falls under the fertilizer category.
Replied on Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 11:17 AM CST
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Exempt loads are classified by animal feed

Not rock

Replied on Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 07:12 PM CST
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Quote: "Exempt loads are classified by animal feed Not rock "

Some animal feeds aren't considered feed either though. I haul liquid products weekly to chicken farms and feed mills and its not exempt. Certain "meals" aren't either. It just depends if the person with the computer engineering degree that has the government job of ag classification thinks its ok or not.
Replied on Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 07:12 PM CST

I have a red stamp that reads

FMSCA Exempt

Essential Load

stamp it on my bols an wen I hand it to dot they see that stamp an waive me on

Replied on Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 07:12 PM CST
Quote: "I have a red stamp that reads FMSCA Exempt Essential Load stamp it on my bols an wen I hand it to dot they see that stamp an waive me on"

Legal? Idk, but it works because everyone reads the regulation different.

Replied on Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 07:13 PM CST
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Quote: "The list I found doesn't specify on lime, but commercial fertilizer is not considered an ag exempt product and I'd wonder if lime falls under the fertilizer category. "

WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN BY AG EXEMPT





















WHAT EXACTLY DO MEAN BY AG EXEMPT? DO YOU MEAN CAN BE TRANSPORTED WITH OUT A COTRACTOR AUTHORITY LICENSE OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SALES TAX ON LIME? TO MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS NO SALES TAX ON AG LIME BUT THERE IS ON CRUSHED ROCK.













Replied on Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 07:01 AM CST

Fertilizer can be exempt:

49 CFR § 395.1

(k) Agricultural operations. The provisions of this part shall not apply during planting and harvesting periods, as determined by each State, to drivers transporting

(1) Agricultural commodities from the source of the agricultural commodities to a location within a 150 air-mile radius from the source;

(2) Farm supplies for agricultural purposes from a wholesale or retail distribution point of the farm supplies to a farm or other location where the farm supplies are intended to be used within a 150 air-mile radius from the distribution point; or

(3) Farm supplies for agricultural purposes from a wholesale distribution point of the farm supplies to a retail distribution point of the farm supplies within a 150 air-mile radius from the wholesale distribution point.

49 CFR § 395.2 - Definitions

Farm supplies for agricultural purposes
Farm supplies for agricultural purposes means products directly related to the growing or harvesting of agricultural commodities during the planting and harvesting seasons within each State, as determined by the State, and livestock feed at any time of the year.

The planting and harvesting periods are determined by where the product was picked up, regardless if you cross state lines.

Pickup in WA deliver in Oregon, WA harvest periods are used.

Good Starting Point
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/agriculture-exemption-diagrams

Replied on Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 07:01 AM CST
The list of Ag Exempt Commodities.... https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Administrative_Ruling_119.pdf Just like anything else from the .gov it contradicts it's self time and time again..... wheat midds....Not Exempt..... Frozen Fish Sticks.... Exempt 🤦🏻‍♀️
Replied on Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 07:01 AM CST
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Quote: "WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN BY AG EXEMPT WHAT EXACTLY DO MEAN BY AG EXEMPT? DO YOU MEAN CAN BE TRANSPORTED WITH OUT A COTRACTOR AUTHORITY LICENSE OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SALES TAX ON LIME? TO MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS NO SALES TAX ON AG LIME BUT THERE IS ON CRUSHED ROCK. "

49 CFR squiggly line 395.1, and squiggly line 395.2. Hours of service exemption.
Replied on Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 08:09 AM CST
If you have anything related to feed I would think you could fight anything in court but Rock? animals don't eat Rock
Replied on Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 07:51 AM CST
Replied on Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 08:34 PM CST
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Here is the list of exempt and not exempt commodities list fromt FMCSA website.


https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Administrative_Ruling_119.pdf

From my understanding anything that has been processed from its original form is not exempt. Most feed for example has been processed and is not exempt. Screenings have not been processed and are exempt. Raw grain from elevator to elevator not processed is exempt.

I go by this list because in the end it doesnt matter if i think its exempt or not its the guy with the badge at the scale and how he interprets the list. And if he wants to make your day bad he can. I dont have time to go to court to fight my opinion.

Replied on Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 02:17 PM CST
HOS are still exempt for Livestock and Livestock Feed Ingredients processed or not
Replied on Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 02:19 PM CST
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This subject is far more complicated than a list can settle. A commodity cam be exempt in one situation and not in another. Read the entire section and see how it applies to your situation.
Replied on Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:13 PM CST
Quote: "Fertilizer can be exempt: 49 CFR § 395.1 (k) Agricultural operations. The provisions of this part shall not apply during planting and harvesting periods, as determined by each State, to drivers transporting (1) Agricultural commodities from the source of the agricultural commodities to a location within a 150 air-mile radius from the source; (2) Farm supplies for agricultural purposes from a wholesale or retail distribution point of the farm supplies to a farm or other location where the farm supplies are intended to be used within a 150 air-mile radius from the distribution point; or (3) Farm supplies for agricultural purposes from a wholesale distribution point of the farm supplies to a retail distribution point of the farm supplies within a 150 air-mile radius from the wholesale distribution point. 49 CFR § 395.2 - Definitions Farm supplies for agricultural purposesFarm supplies for agricultural purposes means products directly related to the growing or harvesting of agricultural commodities during the planting and harvesting seasons within each State, as determined by the State, and livestock feed at any time of the year. The planting and harvesting periods are determined by where the product was picked up, regardless if you cross state lines. Pickup in WA deliver in Oregon, WA harvest periods are used. Good Starting Point https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/agriculture-exemption-diagrams"

Fertilizer is exempt for h o s. I’ve been doing this awhile, and it sure is.
Replied on Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:37 PM CST
Quote: "I have a red stamp that reads FMSCA Exempt Essential Load stamp it on my bols an wen I hand it to dot they see that stamp an waive me on"

Now that's working the problem! Outstanding. 😎
Replied on Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 12:31 PM CST
it also depends if you are hauling for hire or a company driver hauling company products(example) we use to haul liquid fert for company having to lease to them under their authority which we could claim the exempt status later they had us get own tank authority and that kicked us off the excempt staus,still have a few owops getting away with it till they get caught
Replied on Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 12:57 PM CST
You guys that are hauling fertilizer need to read the new definition s put out by FMCSA it is very plain and simple everything is spelled out and unfortunately fertilizer is non-exempt for HOS so if you get caught now without your book up-to-date you will be placed out of service. Unfortunately fertilizer and ag lime are not included in the exemption.
Replied on Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 08:36 AM CST
No ag lime and Rock are not ag exempt
Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 02:21 PM CST
Quote: "You guys that are hauling fertilizer need to read the new definition s put out by FMCSA it is very plain and simple everything is spelled out and unfortunately fertilizer is non-exempt for HOS so if you get caught now without your book up-to-date you will be placed out of service. Unfortunately fertilizer and ag lime are not included in the exemption."

I believe I read that fertilizer was exempt if not being used for commercial purposes . I take that to mean purposes other than aggriculture, like making acids or other industrial used.

Replied on Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:21 AM CST
Go to FMCSA there’s a chart and very few things are exempt, pretty much anything that’s been processed is not exempt, and rock and ag lime is considered processed. About the only things that aren’t is hay, livestock, and grain
Replied on Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 06:21 AM CST
Quote: "The list I found doesn't specify on lime, but commercial fertilizer is not considered an ag exempt product and I'd wonder if lime falls under the fertilizer category. "

Fertilizer is on the ag exempt list
Replied on Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 07:37 AM CST
Quote: "The list I found doesn't specify on lime, but commercial fertilizer is not considered an ag exempt product and I'd wonder if lime falls under the fertilizer category. "

I have a client I do paperwork for and he will tell you are wrong on the fertilzer being and exempt farm supply.

It gets the 150 mile free be for logging.

Try This:

"Agricultural commodity", as used in this subchapter, means wheat, cotton, flax, corn, dry beans, oats, barley, rye, tobacco, rice, peanuts, soybeans, sugar beets, sugar cane, tomatoes, grain sorghum, sunflowers, raisins, oranges, sweet corn, dry peas, freezing and canning peas, forage, apples, grapes, potatoes, timber and forests, nursery crops, citrus, and other fruits and vegetables, nuts, tame hay, native grass, hemp, aquacultural species (including, but not limited to, any species of finfish, mollusk, crustacean, or other aquatic invertebrate, amphibian, reptile, or aquatic plant propagated or reared in a controlled or selected environment), or any other agricultural commodity, excluding stored grain, determined by the Board, or any one or more of such commodities, as the context may indicate."

The part I always chuckle about is "An agricultural commodity is any other agricultural commodity" A first class example of politicle talk that makes no cents.

And then there is this;

"Guidance: No. The exception was created by Sec. 345(a)(1) of the National Highway System Designation Act of 1995 [Public Law 104-50,109 Stat.568, at613], which provides in part that the hours of service regulations “shall not apply to drivers transporting agricultural commodities or farm supplies for agricultural purposes...”The terms “agricultural commodities or farm supplies for agricultural purposes” were not defined, but the context clarifies their meaning. Because the statute made the exception available only “during the planting and harvesting seasons” in each State, Congress obviously intended to restrict it to agriculture in the traditional (and etymological) sense, i.e., the cultivation of fields. “Agricultural commodities” therefore means products grown on and harvested from the land, and “farm supplies for agricultural purposes” means products directly related to the growing or harvesting of agricultural commodities."

Drivers transporting livestock or slaughtered animals, or the grain, corn, hay, etc., used to feed animals, may not use the “agricultural operations” exception.

So if you read where is states, "farm supplies for agricultural purposes" means products directly related to the GROWING or harvesting of Ag Commodities. I would think anything you spread on the ground would fall into that description.

Replied on Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 07:38 AM CST
Quote: "No ag lime and Rock are not ag exempt"

§ 372.115 Commodities that are not exempt under 49 U.S.C. 13506(a)(6).

49 U.S.C. 13506(a)(6) provides an exemption from regulation for motor vehicles used in carrying ordinary livestock, fish, and unmanufactured agricultural commodities. Certain specific commodities have been statutorily determined to be non-exempt. Administrative Ruling No. 133, which is reproduced below, is a list of those commodities that are non-exempt by statute.

The list for trade:

Administrative Ruling No. 133
List of Commodities That Are Not Exempt by Statute Under 49 U.S.C. 13506(A)(6)
Animal fats
Butter
Canned fruits and vegetables
Carnauba wax as imported in slabs or chunks
Cattle, slaughtered
Charcoal
Cheese
Coal
Cocoa beans
Coffee, beans, roasted, or instant
Copra meal
Cotton yarn
Cottonseed cake or meal
Diatomaceous earth
Dinners, frozen
Feeds:
Alfalfa meal
Alfalfa pellets
Beet pulp
Bran shorts
Copra meal
Corn gluten
Distilled corn grain residues, with or without solubles added
Fish meal
Hominy feed
Middlings
Pelletized ground refuse screenings
Wheat bran
Wheat shorts
Fertilizer, commercial
Fish:
Canned or salted as a treatment for preserving
Cooked or partially cooked fish or shrimp, frozen or unfrozen
Hermetically sealed in containers as a treatment for preserving
Oil from fishes
Preserved, or treated for preserving, such as smoked, salted, pickled, spiced, corned or kippered
Flagstone
Flaxseed meal
Flour
Forest products:
Resin products, such as turpentine
Fruits and Berries:
Bananas, fresh, dried, dehydrated, or frozen
Canned
Frozen
Hulls of oranges after juice extractions
Juice, fruit, plain or concentrated
Pies, frozen
Preserved, such as jam
Purees, strawberry and other, frozen
Grains:
Oils extracted from grain
Popcorn, popped
Rice, precooked
Wheat germ
Gravel
Hair, hog or other animal, product of slaughter of animal
Hay, sweetened with 3 percent molasses by weight
Hemp fiber
Hides, green and salted
Insecticides
Limestone, agricultural
Livestock:
Monkeys
Race horses
Show horses
Zoo animals
Lumber, rough sawed or planed
Maple syrup
Meal:
Alfalfa
Copra
Cottonseed
Fish
Flaxseed
Linseed
Peanut
Soybean
Meat and meat products, fresh, frozen or canned
Milk and Cream:
Chocolate
Condensed
Sterilized in hermetically sealed cans
Molasses
Nuts (including peanuts):
Peanut meal
Roasted or boiled
Oil, mint
Oil, extracted from vegetables, grain, seed, fish or other commodity
Pelts
Pies, frozen
Pigeons, racing
Pulp, beet
Pulp, sugar cane
Rock (except natural crushed, vesicular rock to be used for decorative purposes)
Rubber, crude, in bales
Rubber, latex, natural, liquid, from which water has been extracted and to which ammonia has been added
Sand
Seeds:
Oil extracted from seeds
Skins, animal
Soil, potting
Soil, top
Soup, frozen
Sugar
Sugar cane pulp
Sugar raw
Syrup, cane
Syrup, maple
Tea
Tobacco:
Cigars and cigarettes
Homogenized
Smoking
Top Soil
Trees:
Sawed into lumber
Vegetables:
Candied sweet potatoes, frozen
Canned
Cooked
French fried potatoes
Oil, extracted from vegetables
Soup, frozen
Soybean meal
Wool imported from a foreign country
Wool tops and noils
Wool waste (carded, spun, woven, or knitted)
Wool yarn
Note 1:

Under 49 U.S.C. 13506(a)(6)(D), any listed fish or shellfish product that is not intended for human consumption is exempt.

Note 2:

Under 49 U.S.C. 13506(a)(6)(E), any listed livestock feed, poultry feed, agricultural seeds, or plants that are transported to a site of agricultural production or to a business enterprise engaged in the sale to agricultural producers of goods used in agricultural production is exempt

"So if you wil notice Fertilizer, Commercial is listed as not exempt"

I guess there must be differance between commercial and agricultural fertilizers. Probably going to need a lawer for that answer.

Replied on Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 07:38 AM CST
Quote: "I have a client I do paperwork for and he will tell you are wrong on the fertilzer being and exempt farm supply. It gets the 150 mile free be for logging. Try This: "Agricultural commodity", as used in this subchapter, means wheat, cotton, flax, corn, dry beans, oats, barley, rye, tobacco, rice, peanuts, soybeans, sugar beets, sugar cane, tomatoes, grain sorghum, sunflowers, raisins, oranges, sweet corn, dry peas, freezing and canning peas, forage, apples, grapes, potatoes, timber and forests, nursery crops, citrus, and other fruits and vegetables, nuts, tame hay, native grass, hemp, aquacultural species (including, but not limited to, any species of finfish, mollusk, crustacean, or other aquatic invertebrate, amphibian, reptile, or aquatic plant propagated or reared in a controlled or selected environment), or any other agricultural commodity, excluding stored grain, determined by the Board, or any one or more of such commodities, as the context may indicate." The part I always chuckle about is "An agricultural commodity is any other agricultural commodity" A first class example of politicle talk that makes no cents. And then there is this; "Guidance: No. The exception was created by Sec. 345(a)(1) of the National Highway System Designation Act of 1995 [Public Law 104-50,109 Stat.568, at613], which provides in part that the hours of service regulations “shall not apply to drivers transporting agricultural commodities or farm supplies for agricultural purposes...”The terms “agricultural commodities or farm supplies for agricultural purposes” were not defined, but the context clarifies their meaning. Because the statute made the exception available only “during the planting and harvesting seasons” in each State, Congress obviously intended to restrict it to agriculture in the traditional (and etymological) sense, i.e., the cultivation of fields. “Agricultural commodities” therefore means products grown on and harvested from the land, and “farm supplies for agricultural purposes” means products directly related to the growing or harvesting of agricultural commodities." Drivers transporting livestock or slaughtered animals, or the grain, corn, hay, etc., used to feed animals, may not use the “agricultural operations” exception. So if you read where is states, "farm supplies for agricultural purposes" means products directly related to the GROWING or harvesting of Ag Commodities. I would think anything you spread on the ground would fall into that description. "

Oh and then I find this:

1980-Pub. L. 96–365 extended definition of "agricultural commodity" to include tomatoes, grain sorghum, sunflowers, raisins, oranges, sweet corn, dry peas, freezing and canning peas, forage, apples, grapes, nursery crops, and aquacultural species as illustrated but not limited, excluded livestock and stored grain, substituted "sugar cane" for "sugarcane", and inserted reference to subsec. (i) of section 1508 of this title.

And I have no idea what set out means.

1944-Act Dec. 23, 1944, increased scope of definition of "agricultural commodity" from "wheat or cotton" to include all crops now set out.

Replied on Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 07:48 AM CST
Well boys and girls it's like this the more big words the government puts into this the more you will find you will have to be your own advocate for what you believe the FMCSA meant. So in summary be a good salesmen when you get stopped and make sure you really know what you are talking about. It may get you out of a ticket! And by all means do not argue with the officer that will land you in more trouble than it's worth.
Replied on Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 10:52 AM CST
Search administrative ruling 119. Has a list of everything exempt