Ag industry wants more weight during pandemic

Apr 02, 2020 at 09:32 AM CST + 9 - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Say no to it I bet your rate won’t increase nothing to benefit the trucker only shippers

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 10:09 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I'm not a farmer or a shipper, but more weight benefits me. And I'm asking sincerely, not to start a fight, because I'm no longer a farmer so it doesn't matter to me. Even if this did only benefit farmers, why does the public dig their heels into anything that benefits this country's foundation? Just curious. Not looking to battle.

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 10:10 AM CST + 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. All I can think of is how they treat us when things are good. How about those anti-idling laws they had no problem dishing out against us and the incredible fines and/or JAIL for violating them? It's ok for us to have heat strokes or dying of hypothermia because we can't idle but now you need your shelves stocked? DOT lifting HOS but any other time of the year they scream the interstates would be a rolling nightmare of death because we can't be trusted to sleep when/where we want? How about that speed limiter law they're working on next? What have they done to provide places to park for us? We're treated like trash or scum any other day but now they want our help? They can jam it...

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 10:10 AM CST

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All I can think of is how they treat us when things are good. How about those anti-idling laws they had no problem dishing out against us and the incredible fines and/or JAIL for violating them? It's ok for us to have heat strokes or dying of hypothermia because we can't idle but now you need your shelves stocked? DOT lifting HOS but any other time of the year they scream the interstates would be a rolling nightmare of death because we can't be trusted to sleep when/where we want? How about that speed limiter law they're working on next? What have they done to provide places to park for us? We're treated like trash or scum any other day but now they want our help? They can jam it...

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 10:10 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I guess I'm wrong. If I did still have my beef cows, it probably would benefit me to have larger loads of feed brought in, especially if I was having a hard time finding trucks. I don't entirely see the problem with that though, based on the circumstances...

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 10:58 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I agree with that 100 percent david. But the agricultural industry had nothing to do with the implementation of those laws right?

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 10:59 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I'd like to share a story, because I have a knack for going down the rabbit hole on ag topics, and being a butthead. I deliver feed occasionally to a ranch in Montana. Once last summer I popped my alternator belts while we were unloading. It was hot, and about 8 at night. Every hired hand helped me unload that hot ddg. Then one of them drove 30 miles into town to get me new belts. For some reason I didn't have my 3/4 wrench with me, they let me borrow one and TOLD ME TO KEEP IT. They wouldn't take one cent for gas or help. Even the ranch manager wouldn't take a cent for the hands labor. If I would have needed a shirt....all I'm saying is, if they needed a load of ddg in a pinch and asked me to bring a couple extra tons, I'd do it in a heartbeat, especially based on the crazy circumstances right now. I don't feel they need to be punished for this. If they were trying to take advantage, that's a different story.

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 10:59 AM CST

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I'd like to share a story, because I have a knack for going down the rabbit hole on ag topics, and being a butthead. I deliver feed occasionally to a ranch in Montana. Once last summer I popped my alternator belts while we were unloading. It was hot, and about 8 at night. Every hired hand helped me unload that hot ddg. Then one of them drove 30 miles into town to get me new belts. For some reason I didn't have my 3/4 wrench with me, they let me borrow one and TOLD ME TO KEEP IT. They wouldn't take one cent for gas or help. Even the ranch manager wouldn't take a cent for the hands labor. If I would have needed a shirt....all I'm saying is, if they needed a load of ddg in a pinch and asked me to bring a couple extra tons, I'd do it in a heartbeat, especially based on the crazy circumstances right now. I don't feel they need to be punished for this. If they were trying to take advantage, that's a different story.

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 12:33 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I agree with that 100 percent david. But the agricultural industry had nothing to do with the implementation of those laws right? " It was state and federal government combined that passed all those laws. Does it matter that the Agiriculrutal industry passed them or not? Carriers have to comply with the laws no matter what. The commodity or the "industry" is irrelevent.

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 12:33 PM CST

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Quote: "I agree with that 100 percent david. But the agricultural industry had nothing to do with the implementation of those laws right? "

It was state and federal government combined that passed all those laws. Does it matter that the Agiriculrutal industry passed them or not? Carriers have to comply with the laws no matter what. The commodity or the "industry" is irrelevent.

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 01:04 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. With all due respect david, because I think highly of your opinion. Is it really comparing apples to apples to say that? In a tough situation, is a lack of ipods on the shelf as big a deal as a chicken farm running out of feed? That's an extreme comparison, but I just don't see the problem with it. Farmers and ranchers are on the same team as truckers in my opinion. I have that opinion because I've been in their shoes.

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 01:04 PM CST

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With all due respect david, because I think highly of your opinion. Is it really comparing apples to apples to say that? In a tough situation, is a lack of ipods on the shelf as big a deal as a chicken farm running out of feed? That's an extreme comparison, but I just don't see the problem with it. Farmers and ranchers are on the same team as truckers in my opinion. I have that opinion because I've been in their shoes.

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 02:41 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "With all due respect david, because I think highly of your opinion. Is it really comparing apples to apples to say that? In a tough situation, is a lack of ipods on the shelf as big a deal as a chicken farm running out of feed? That's an extreme comparison, but I just don't see the problem with it. Farmers and ranchers are on the same team as truckers in my opinion. I have that opinion because I've been in their shoes." The problem is that we see this all over. Put on more axles so you can haul for less money! More weight causes more stress on equipment, decreased fuel milage, increased brake wear, increased tire wear, if you do it year round, a triple axle costs considerably more than a tandem, license costs more to haul more weight and the list goes on and on! If you can not make money hauling 80,000 then the answer is not hauling more! The answer is bidding your loads correctly! If you have 5, 6 and 7 axle rigs, your rate should NOT change because of the amount of weight the truck can haul! The excess that can be hauled is to compensate for the added expense and wear and tear. To many brokers and shippers are bidding loads on 30 ton basis. That is fine if you can get it done dirt cheap but you will find yourself getting your loads moved better if you put a fair rate out there that will work for everyone. We had triple axle trailers and got rid of them to go with lighter tandems and lighter trucks to compensate. The extra weight we hauled did not make up for the fuel loss or the loss of loads going to the smaller weight states. Just my opinion!

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 02:41 PM CST

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Quote: "With all due respect david, because I think highly of your opinion. Is it really comparing apples to apples to say that? In a tough situation, is a lack of ipods on the shelf as big a deal as a chicken farm running out of feed? That's an extreme comparison, but I just don't see the problem with it. Farmers and ranchers are on the same team as truckers in my opinion. I have that opinion because I've been in their shoes."

The problem is that we see this all over. Put on more axles so you can haul for less money! More weight causes more stress on equipment, decreased fuel milage, increased brake wear, increased tire wear, if you do it year round, a triple axle costs considerably more than a tandem, license costs more to haul more weight and the list goes on and on!

If you can not make money hauling 80,000 then the answer is not hauling more! The answer is bidding your loads correctly! If you have 5, 6 and 7 axle rigs, your rate should NOT change because of the amount of weight the truck can haul! The excess that can be hauled is to compensate for the added expense and wear and tear.

To many brokers and shippers are bidding loads on 30 ton basis. That is fine if you can get it done dirt cheap but you will find yourself getting your loads moved better if you put a fair rate out there that will work for everyone.

We had triple axle trailers and got rid of them to go with lighter tandems and lighter trucks to compensate. The extra weight we hauled did not make up for the fuel loss or the loss of loads going to the smaller weight states.

Just my opinion!

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 04:29 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "The problem is that we see this all over. Put on more axles so you can haul for less money! More weight causes more stress on equipment, decreased fuel milage, increased brake wear, increased tire wear, if you do it year round, a triple axle costs considerably more than a tandem, license costs more to haul more weight and the list goes on and on! If you can not make money hauling 80,000 then the answer is not hauling more! The answer is bidding your loads correctly! If you have 5, 6 and 7 axle rigs, your rate should NOT change because of the amount of weight the truck can haul! The excess that can be hauled is to compensate for the added expense and wear and tear. To many brokers and shippers are bidding loads on 30 ton basis. That is fine if you can get it done dirt cheap but you will find yourself getting your loads moved better if you put a fair rate out there that will work for everyone. We had triple axle trailers and got rid of them to go with lighter tandems and lighter trucks to compensate. The extra weight we hauled did not make up for the fuel loss or the loss of loads going to the smaller weight states. Just my opinion!" I cant disagree with any of that. Unless I'm understanding this incorrectly, it's just temporary, just like the hours of service changes. I think it's just capacity relief temporarily, isn't it? I'd like to shut down for a week or two because the highways have been interesting lately, but the phone wont stop ringing. Some of the feedlots and chicken farms I service want a little bit more on hand than normal. That's an intelligent plan in my opinion. Will I charge them more per ton because life is unpredictable Right now? Not a chance, that's shady. Will I drop my price because I have a 3 axle hopper? Not a chance either. Personally, my customers treat me well. I return the favor. I'm not hauling cheap, nor should anybody else. Someone needs to post what rates should be, in about 5 different languages, if anyone interprets that in a negative way, I don't want to hear it

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 04:29 PM CST

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Quote: "The problem is that we see this all over. Put on more axles so you can haul for less money! More weight causes more stress on equipment, decreased fuel milage, increased brake wear, increased tire wear, if you do it year round, a triple axle costs considerably more than a tandem, license costs more to haul more weight and the list goes on and on! If you can not make money hauling 80,000 then the answer is not hauling more! The answer is bidding your loads correctly! If you have 5, 6 and 7 axle rigs, your rate should NOT change because of the amount of weight the truck can haul! The excess that can be hauled is to compensate for the added expense and wear and tear. To many brokers and shippers are bidding loads on 30 ton basis. That is fine if you can get it done dirt cheap but you will find yourself getting your loads moved better if you put a fair rate out there that will work for everyone. We had triple axle trailers and got rid of them to go with lighter tandems and lighter trucks to compensate. The extra weight we hauled did not make up for the fuel loss or the loss of loads going to the smaller weight states. Just my opinion!"

I cant disagree with any of that. Unless I'm understanding this incorrectly, it's just temporary, just like the hours of service changes. I think it's just capacity relief temporarily, isn't it? I'd like to shut down for a week or two because the highways have been interesting lately, but the phone wont stop ringing. Some of the feedlots and chicken farms I service want a little bit more on hand than normal. That's an intelligent plan in my opinion. Will I charge them more per ton because life is unpredictable Right now? Not a chance, that's shady. Will I drop my price because I have a 3 axle hopper? Not a chance either. Personally, my customers treat me well. I return the favor. I'm not hauling cheap, nor should anybody else. Someone needs to post what rates should be, in about 5 different languages, if anyone interprets that in a negative way, I don't want to hear it

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 05:27 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "With all due respect david, because I think highly of your opinion. Is it really comparing apples to apples to say that? In a tough situation, is a lack of ipods on the shelf as big a deal as a chicken farm running out of feed? That's an extreme comparison, but I just don't see the problem with it. Farmers and ranchers are on the same team as truckers in my opinion. I have that opinion because I've been in their shoes." No worries my friend. The way I see it is the people are the ones who vote in the legislators. So the law makers are doing what the people want. The people don't like trucks. We're big and ugly. We stink. We're loud. We kill the environment. We take up land and parking etc etc. But they want us when they realize they need us and any other time we're treated like a dirt. Those farmers or ranchers provide food that is destined for China, supermarket or Walmart. The same people that need it are the same ones that hate us. It's business and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

Replied on Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 05:27 PM CST

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No worries my friend. The way I see it is the people are the ones who vote in the legislators. So the law makers are doing what the people want. The people don't like trucks. We're big and ugly. We stink. We're loud. We kill the environment. We take up land and parking etc etc. But they want us when they realize they need us and any other time we're treated like a dirt. Those farmers or ranchers provide food that is destined for China, supermarket or Walmart. The same people that need it are the same ones that hate us. It's business and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 08:21 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "No worries my friend. The way I see it is the people are the ones who vote in the legislators. So the law makers are doing what the people want. The people don't like trucks. We're big and ugly. We stink. We're loud. We kill the environment. We take up land and parking etc etc. But they want us when they realize they need us and any other time we're treated like a dirt. Those farmers or ranchers provide food that is destined for China, supermarket or Walmart. The same people that need it are the same ones that hate us. It's business and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette." David, that food is not going to china. We've been in a trade war with china. That's why I'm trucking. I personally think exporting products benefits our economy doesn't it? But that's another subject.

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 08:21 AM CST

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Quote: "No worries my friend. The way I see it is the people are the ones who vote in the legislators. So the law makers are doing what the people want. The people don't like trucks. We're big and ugly. We stink. We're loud. We kill the environment. We take up land and parking etc etc. But they want us when they realize they need us and any other time we're treated like a dirt. Those farmers or ranchers provide food that is destined for China, supermarket or Walmart. The same people that need it are the same ones that hate us. It's business and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette."

David, that food is not going to china. We've been in a trade war with china. That's why I'm trucking. I personally think exporting products benefits our economy doesn't it? But that's another subject.

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 11:32 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "David, that food is not going to china. We've been in a trade war with china. That's why I'm trucking. I personally think exporting products benefits our economy doesn't it? But that's another subject. " But it is and even if it wasn't I don't care. I know some goes to Walmart too. I hope they also can't get their food. It's my opinion and I've stated why I feel that way. Sorry...I don't debate opinion, sir. We're all entitiled to our own. If you choose to be "patriotic" or to be the nation's "hero" go for it. I do not feel like saving the very people that choose to make my life miserable and or put it at risk any other time of the year. But somehow all that goes out the window when they realize how much they actually need my services in their lives. Without us they starve. As mentioned in another thread NOW is the time to get what we need. Bend them over the barrel hard. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/sanderson-boosts-china-poultry-shipments-as-bottlenecks-subside https://www.ft.com/content/4bdf0a4e-4e1f-11ea-95a0-43d18ec715f5 https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-lifts-4-year-ban-on-u-s-chicken-11573746696

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 11:32 AM CST

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Quote: "David, that food is not going to china. We've been in a trade war with china. That's why I'm trucking. I personally think exporting products benefits our economy doesn't it? But that's another subject. "

But it is and even if it wasn't I don't care. I know some goes to Walmart too. I hope they also can't get their food. It's my opinion and I've stated why I feel that way. Sorry...I don't debate opinion, sir. We're all entitiled to our own. If you choose to be "patriotic" or to be the nation's "hero" go for it. I do not feel like saving the very people that choose to make my life miserable and or put it at risk any other time of the year. But somehow all that goes out the window when they realize how much they actually need my services in their lives. Without us they starve. As mentioned in another thread NOW is the time to get what we need. Bend them over the barrel hard.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/sanderson-boosts-china-poultry-shipments-as-bottlenecks-subside

https://www.ft.com/content/4bdf0a4e-4e1f-11ea-95a0-43d18ec715f5

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-lifts-4-year-ban-on-u-s-chicken-11573746696

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 11:32 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Where is this shortage of trucks? Trucking companies have been closing the doors left and right for the past couple of years, in the bulk market you can buy a hopper at a fire sale price. There is no shortage of trucks, if your phone is ringing off the hook it’s because you undercut everyone else’s rates, look at the load boards, or price of new or used equipment. There is no CEO of any corporation that would justify giving stuff away the way truckers do, they would be sued by the share holders and thrown in jail for that. For decades the government has been increasing size and weight limits, and the rates have remained the same, the short term gains are always taken back once the new limits become the norm. Government did not do truckers any favors by suspending HOS, because doing so only added capacity to the market there by suppressing rates, at a time when truckers have already been struggling. In the next couple of weeks the freight demand will drop off dramatically, and remain that way though summer, and everyone will be looking back and wishing that government hadn’t allowed them to work themselves out of a job.

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 11:32 AM CST

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Where is this shortage of trucks? Trucking companies have been closing the doors left and right for the past couple of years, in the bulk market you can buy a hopper at a fire sale price. There is no shortage of trucks, if your phone is ringing off the hook it’s because you undercut everyone else’s rates, look at the load boards, or price of new or used equipment. There is no CEO of any corporation that would justify giving stuff away the way truckers do, they would be sued by the share holders and thrown in jail for that. For decades the government has been increasing size and weight limits, and the rates have remained the same, the short term gains are always taken back once the new limits become the norm. Government did not do truckers any favors by suspending HOS, because doing so only added capacity to the market there by suppressing rates, at a time when truckers have already been struggling. In the next couple of weeks the freight demand will drop off dramatically, and remain that way though summer, and everyone will be looking back and wishing that government hadn’t allowed them to work themselves out of a job.

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 03:43 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. David, all those ignorant people that hate trucks that you are talking about, who you dont care about? I'd imagine the American beef producers think that about you too. I didn't realize so much chicken was going to china. How much beef is? What are you eating for supper tonight? I think your probably a decent guy, I just think you dont know what its like to be in someone else's shoes.

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 03:43 PM CST

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David, all those ignorant people that hate trucks that you are talking about, who you dont care about? I'd imagine the American beef producers think that about you too. I didn't realize so much chicken was going to china. How much beef is? What are you eating for supper tonight? I think your probably a decent guy, I just think you dont know what its like to be in someone else's shoes.

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 03:43 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. This is probably where I need to exit the conversation. I dont have a problem with anybody on the thread. I'll get too worked up if I stay in it longer. I'm not looking to be a hero, I'll just keep servicing my current customers exactly as I have been. If that's heroic you've got low standards. I understand the annoyance of the people that make our lives hell, in my opinion, it ain't farmers doing that. People are on edge, I've turned my cb off lately. Good luck and be safe and we can all have a drink together once this shit storm is over

Replied on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 03:43 PM CST

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This is probably where I need to exit the conversation. I dont have a problem with anybody on the thread. I'll get too worked up if I stay in it longer. I'm not looking to be a hero, I'll just keep servicing my current customers exactly as I have been. If that's heroic you've got low standards. I understand the annoyance of the people that make our lives hell, in my opinion, it ain't farmers doing that.

People are on edge, I've turned my cb off lately. Good luck and be safe and we can all have a drink together once this shit storm is over

Replied on Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 08:53 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "David, all those ignorant people that hate trucks that you are talking about, who you dont care about? I'd imagine the American beef producers think that about you too. I didn't realize so much chicken was going to china. How much beef is? What are you eating for supper tonight? I think your probably a decent guy, I just think you dont know what its like to be in someone else's shoes." I buy my food from local organic farms. The rest I source myself with my own hands. Your passive aggressive attempts to argue or insult me over my opinion seem to be latent ill feelings. I guess my opinions have offended you somehow. Deal with it.

Replied on Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 08:53 AM CST

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Quote: "David, all those ignorant people that hate trucks that you are talking about, who you dont care about? I'd imagine the American beef producers think that about you too. I didn't realize so much chicken was going to china. How much beef is? What are you eating for supper tonight? I think your probably a decent guy, I just think you dont know what its like to be in someone else's shoes."

I buy my food from local organic farms. The rest I source myself with my own hands. Your passive aggressive attempts to argue or insult me over my opinion seem to be latent ill feelings. I guess my opinions have offended you somehow. Deal with it.