Brokers

Apr 17, 2021 at 04:12 PM CST + 13 - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Brokers are saying they are having a hard time finding trucks.. what you all are finding is we are not going to continue running for low rates. Come on start sharing that cake, you fat kids it's time to give more.

Replied on Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 06:10 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Show me the money and I might hook up the hopper bottom..I'm talking $3.50 loaded mile..I mean local cash grain here in N.Missouri is 5.80 corn and 14.50...So c'mon and share the pork...

Replied on Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 07:45 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Hello good morning if your working for someone all miles should be paid not just loaded unless it high enough for your time goin back empty do if your running say for 3.50 aloaded mile your running back for .50 a mile , personally not me have a safe day

Replied on Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:43 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Hello good morning if your working for someone all miles should be paid not just loaded unless it high enough for your time goin back empty do if your running say for 3.50 aloaded mile your running back for .50 a mile , personally not me have a safe day" Just curious... why would you deadhead back and not make it a round so you're making money both ways?

Replied on Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:43 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Hello good morning if your working for someone all miles should be paid not just loaded unless it high enough for your time goin back empty do if your running say for 3.50 aloaded mile your running back for .50 a mile , personally not me have a safe day"

Just curious... why would you deadhead back and not make it a round so you're making money both ways?

Replied on Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:45 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Hello good morning if your working for someone all miles should be paid not just loaded unless it high enough for your time goin back empty do if your running say for 3.50 aloaded mile your running back for .50 a mile , personally not me have a safe day" It seems like the carrier’s and brokers are playing with the numbers to make everything look more enticing, yesterday I saw a well known national carrier post a job on Craigslist advertising $1.04 a mile with a salary of 92k a year for a company driver, well after doing some math based on a 70 hour week, it comes out to Around $26.00 a hour for a OTR job, however there are dozens of local jobs paying that and more, so they go with the $1.04 marketing model hoping to Snag a driver, when in all reality they are not offering anything new. Likewise some brokers are playing the same game, advertising a high per mile rate that is knocked down considerably by detention time and empty miles to the washout. Back in 1990 a hourly shop rate was equal to what the truck made per hour, for a leased truck running under someone else’s authority, well how many of you leased trucks can say you make the same today as what the dealership charges you for labor?

Replied on Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:45 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

It seems like the carrier’s and brokers are playing with the numbers to make everything look more enticing, yesterday I saw a well known national carrier post a job on Craigslist advertising $1.04 a mile with a salary of 92k a year for a company driver, well after doing some math based on a 70 hour week, it comes out to Around $26.00 a hour for a OTR job, however there are dozens of local jobs paying that and more, so they go with the $1.04 marketing model hoping to Snag a driver, when in all reality they are not offering anything new. Likewise some brokers are playing the same game, advertising a high per mile rate that is knocked down considerably by detention time and empty miles to the washout. Back in 1990 a hourly shop rate was equal to what the truck made per hour, for a leased truck running under someone else’s authority, well how many of you leased trucks can say you make the same today as what the dealership charges you for labor?

Replied on Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 11:32 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Just curious... why would you deadhead back and not make it a round so you're making money both ways?" Sometimes the freight isn’t there to load back, or time constraints make it impossible to do head haul and back haul. And sometimes it just pays good enough not to bother with the back haul. My deadhead miles have been in the 45% range the last few years.

Replied on Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 11:32 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Just curious... why would you deadhead back and not make it a round so you're making money both ways?"

Sometimes the freight isn’t there to load back, or time constraints make it impossible to do head haul and back haul. And sometimes it just pays good enough not to bother with the back haul. My deadhead miles have been in the 45% range the last few years.

Replied on Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 11:32 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. We are a shipper not a broker. But, I think your error is that you assume you know the shipper's profit margin when in fact you do not. At such high freight rates the shipper is priced out of the business and therefore may not get the business at all. Shippers then move to shipping on rail witch lowers the available freight or start their own trucking company. If your overhead is too high, maybe you should find ways to reduce your overhead through fuel deals and other avenues rather than trying to squeeze that out of the shipper. Take care and good luck.

Replied on Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 11:32 AM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

We are a shipper not a broker. But, I think your error is that you assume you know the shipper's profit margin when in fact you do not. At such high freight rates the shipper is priced out of the business and therefore may not get the business at all. Shippers then move to shipping on rail witch lowers the available freight or start their own trucking company.

If your overhead is too high, maybe you should find ways to reduce your overhead through fuel deals and other avenues rather than trying to squeeze that out of the shipper.

Take care and good luck.

Replied on Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 11:33 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Seen alot of O/0 and small fleets closed their doors/ bankrupt. Haven't seen any brokers close any doors.....yes there a few good brokers to haul for, but many really need to be shut down. When brokers boast about expanding and adding more dispatchers....and truckers are closing....stop hauling cheap freight!!!

Replied on Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 07:45 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "We are a shipper not a broker. But, I think your error is that you assume you know the shipper's profit margin when in fact you do not. At such high freight rates the shipper is priced out of the business and therefore may not get the business at all. Shippers then move to shipping on rail witch lowers the available freight or start their own trucking company. If your overhead is too high, maybe you should find ways to reduce your overhead through fuel deals and other avenues rather than trying to squeeze that out of the shipper. Take care and good luck." Matt, just for the sake of discussion, what do you consider to be a "high freight rate". And what is an acceptable profit margin for a truck and trailer? I really don't think truckers have intentions of pricing you out of business on freight, but we also can't be expected to do it for free, truckers have families and desire free time as well as you. I'd also like to know which businesses are losing money due to the cost of shipping? Amazon, Walmart? I hope nobody is price gouging you. And trust me when I say that truckers take every avenue possible to save on fuel, but look at your words to us, and it's statements we've heard before... imagine if someone walked into your business and said "you need to lower your cost by using lower quality products, you need to do less maintenance, you need to take a lower wage and work more hours and basically lower your standard of living just so that I can maintain mine" you wouldn't be happy with that. Truckers are told that if we can't pay our bills, we are making poor business decisions and our expenses are too high, doesn't that apply to every business? I wish you well with your job, and hope there's room in this economy for us both to be profitable.

Replied on Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 07:45 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "We are a shipper not a broker. But, I think your error is that you assume you know the shipper's profit margin when in fact you do not. At such high freight rates the shipper is priced out of the business and therefore may not get the business at all. Shippers then move to shipping on rail witch lowers the available freight or start their own trucking company. If your overhead is too high, maybe you should find ways to reduce your overhead through fuel deals and other avenues rather than trying to squeeze that out of the shipper. Take care and good luck."

Matt, just for the sake of discussion, what do you consider to be a "high freight rate". And what is an acceptable profit margin for a truck and trailer? I really don't think truckers have intentions of pricing you out of business on freight, but we also can't be expected to do it for free, truckers have families and desire free time as well as you. I'd also like to know which businesses are losing money due to the cost of shipping? Amazon, Walmart? I hope nobody is price gouging you. And trust me when I say that truckers take every avenue possible to save on fuel, but look at your words to us, and it's statements we've heard before... imagine if someone walked into your business and said "you need to lower your cost by using lower quality products, you need to do less maintenance, you need to take a lower wage and work more hours and basically lower your standard of living just so that I can maintain mine" you wouldn't be happy with that. Truckers are told that if we can't pay our bills, we are making poor business decisions and our expenses are too high, doesn't that apply to every business? I wish you well with your job, and hope there's room in this economy for us both to be profitable.

Replied on Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:21 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. We are constantly bombarded with news articles about how there is a shortage of truckers, but I have yet to see any saying there is a shortage of freight, as far as asking truckers to cut expenses goes, I would like to point out that a large number of truckers are 1099 already, they have no unemployment, no work comp, no health insurance, no retirement so really there’s nothing left to cut. I agree that some folks don’t know how to run a business, if you have turnover and keep drivers then your one of them and the government should pull your authorities.

Replied on Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:21 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

We are constantly bombarded with news articles about how there is a shortage of truckers, but I have yet to see any saying there is a shortage of freight, as far as asking truckers to cut expenses goes, I would like to point out that a large number of truckers are 1099 already, they have no unemployment, no work comp, no health insurance, no retirement so really there’s nothing left to cut. I agree that some folks don’t know how to run a business, if you have turnover and keep drivers then your one of them and the government should pull your authorities.

Replied on Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 02:23 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Id really like to know how im supposed to make this big profit cutting expense. Your welcome to contact me and point my errors. The next point...you go right ahead and own trks to deliver your products. Let me know how that works out. Some of friends with 10 -20 trks have gone a year without any applicants. As far as your margins. It isn't my job to protect a shippers profit. Been there done that. Was great till they didn't need me anymore. 6 years of covering every load regardless of holidays or profit. Got phone call on Friday your not needed. Dairymans kid needs a business, we don't need you. Art Pfluger

Replied on Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 02:23 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Id really like to know how im supposed to make this big profit cutting expense. Your welcome to contact me and point my errors. The next point...you go right ahead and own trks to deliver your products. Let me know how that works out. Some of friends with 10 -20 trks have gone a year without any applicants. As far as your margins. It isn't my job to protect a shippers profit. Been there done that. Was great till they didn't need me anymore. 6 years of covering every load regardless of holidays or profit. Got phone call on Friday your not needed. Dairymans kid needs a business, we don't need you. Art Pfluger

Replied on Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 07:43 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Just curious... why would you deadhead back and not make it a round so you're making money both ways?" I’m not going to run anything for less then what I leave the house for. Sometimes you have to pay to go home to not help the cheep Frieght move. Eventually this will get figured out. Stop the use of the term Back Haul! Look it that term as a racist slang just don’t do anything cheep!

Replied on Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 07:43 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Just curious... why would you deadhead back and not make it a round so you're making money both ways?"

I’m not going to run anything for less then what I leave the house for. Sometimes you have to pay to go home to not help the cheep Frieght move. Eventually this will get figured out. Stop the use of the term Back Haul! Look it that term as a racist slang just don’t do anything cheep!

Replied on Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 07:52 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. One other item. I hate big tech, but I own trucks for profit. Most days I can book a drop and hook for Amazon and make more per mile than I I can with my floor or belt and get paid quickly without a discount rate. Just saying. Art Pfluger

Replied on Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:04 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. pretty much what ever the broker is offering to pay you can almost double the money there is to work with. I have had some good round trip paying freight on 600 hundred mile loads but yet again had a broker go in and back door the freight and farmed it all out for about half of what the freight was paying. I can not for the life of me understand why everybody is hell bent on not seeing hopper freight top out at $2 a mile even when any other freight is double that rate at a minimum. Hopper trucking companys seem to be satisfied all day long on taking anything thrown at them.

Replied on Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:04 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

pretty much what ever the broker is offering to pay you can almost double the money there is to work with. I have had some good round trip paying freight on 600 hundred mile loads but yet again had a broker go in and back door the freight and farmed it all out for about half of what the freight was paying. I can not for the life of me understand why everybody is hell bent on not seeing hopper freight top out at $2 a mile even when any other freight is double that rate at a minimum. Hopper trucking companys seem to be satisfied all day long on taking anything thrown at them.

Replied on Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:04 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. God forbid you think your going to get to many brokers think you time and equipment is worth much more than starvation pay. Forget fuel prices, insurance has gone up dramatically, equipment is double in price since the year 2000, the newer equipment dont hold any resale value anymore. shop repair cost are way out of control but for some reason hopper comanys are tickeled pink to have hopper freight top out at $2 mile minus washouts and cost to go wash and sit all day at a wash to get washed out and then repeat the same waiting perios at the shipper.

Replied on Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:04 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

God forbid you think your going to get to many brokers think you time and equipment is worth much more than starvation pay. Forget fuel prices, insurance has gone up dramatically, equipment is double in price since the year 2000, the newer equipment dont hold any resale value anymore. shop repair cost are way out of control but for some reason hopper comanys are tickeled pink to have hopper freight top out at $2 mile minus washouts and cost to go wash and sit all day at a wash to get washed out and then repeat the same waiting perios at the shipper.

Replied on Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:59 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "God forbid you think your going to get to many brokers think you time and equipment is worth much more than starvation pay. Forget fuel prices, insurance has gone up dramatically, equipment is double in price since the year 2000, the newer equipment dont hold any resale value anymore. shop repair cost are way out of control but for some reason hopper comanys are tickeled pink to have hopper freight top out at $2 mile minus washouts and cost to go wash and sit all day at a wash to get washed out and then repeat the same waiting perios at the shipper." I don't understand it...These guys must love love love bank debt... It would be really hard to pay for a even a 30,000 dollar truck and 20,000 dollar trailer..Plus lets just say $1200 dollar monthly insurance.. I just dont really understand $2.00 / loaded mile....I wont start my truck for less than $3.00 unless its family. I pull a step deck...

Replied on Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:59 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "God forbid you think your going to get to many brokers think you time and equipment is worth much more than starvation pay. Forget fuel prices, insurance has gone up dramatically, equipment is double in price since the year 2000, the newer equipment dont hold any resale value anymore. shop repair cost are way out of control but for some reason hopper comanys are tickeled pink to have hopper freight top out at $2 mile minus washouts and cost to go wash and sit all day at a wash to get washed out and then repeat the same waiting perios at the shipper."

I don't understand it...These guys must love love love bank debt... It would be really hard to pay for a even a 30,000 dollar truck and 20,000 dollar trailer..Plus lets just say $1200 dollar monthly insurance.. I just dont really understand $2.00 / loaded mile....I wont start my truck for less than $3.00 unless its family. I pull a step deck...