Commodity Services

Nov 14, 2020 at 08:21 AM CST + 29 - 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Question about Commodity Services, do they cut rates on loads or do they just skim off the top.The reason I ask is, I loaded a load the other day and there were 2 trucks loading with me and they were getting 65 a ton, so I should them my conformation for the same load going to same place I was getting 85 a ton, and there is another place I load we get 95 ton plus fuel Commodity pays 74 no fuel. skim or cutting rate ? Now don't get me wrong I am not putting Commodity down a lot of people load for them just want to know

Replied on Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 08:49 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. It's kind of like this. If someone's taking the load for the rate that's offered why offer more? Either the other trucks thought the money was right or they just don't know any better. Just how trucking is. . . always someone willing to haul cheaper

Replied on Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 08:35 AM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Rates seem to be based on breaking the law in this industry, ie running overweight, running two log books with a ELD exempt antique, deleting emissions, claiming that puppets on a string are independent contractors, in order to get around work comp, unemployment laws, etc. I expect many of these folks won’t be around when Biden gets done, since he wants to make the EPA follow California standards, banning any truck nationally that don’t meet California standards. Everything California is about to go national, from trucks to labor laws, so I’m glad I don’t have a large fleet.

Replied on Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 08:35 AM CST

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Rates seem to be based on breaking the law in this industry, ie running overweight, running two log books with a ELD exempt antique, deleting emissions, claiming that puppets on a string are independent contractors, in order to get around work comp, unemployment laws, etc. I expect many of these folks won’t be around when Biden gets done, since he wants to make the EPA follow California standards, banning any truck nationally that don’t meet California standards. Everything California is about to go national, from trucks to labor laws, so I’m glad I don’t have a large fleet.

Replied on Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 12:40 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "It's kind of like this. If someone's taking the load for the rate that's offered why offer more? Either the other trucks thought the money was right or they just don't know any better. Just how trucking is. . . always someone willing to haul cheaper" Exactly. Loads that paid 70 per ton a year ago, now pay 43. Why would someone be willing to tote fertilizer through mountains in the winter time for 1.70 per mile. More people aspiring for life in a van down by the river.

Replied on Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 12:40 PM CST

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Quote: "It's kind of like this. If someone's taking the load for the rate that's offered why offer more? Either the other trucks thought the money was right or they just don't know any better. Just how trucking is. . . always someone willing to haul cheaper"

Exactly. Loads that paid 70 per ton a year ago, now pay 43. Why would someone be willing to tote fertilizer through mountains in the winter time for 1.70 per mile. More people aspiring for life in a van down by the river.

Replied on Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 12:40 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Rates seem to be based on breaking the law in this industry, ie running overweight, running two log books with a ELD exempt antique, deleting emissions, claiming that puppets on a string are independent contractors, in order to get around work comp, unemployment laws, etc. I expect many of these folks won’t be around when Biden gets done, since he wants to make the EPA follow California standards, banning any truck nationally that don’t meet California standards. Everything California is about to go national, from trucks to labor laws, so I’m glad I don’t have a large fleet." They take other brokers loads every day.....all the time. And yes they take every penny they can till a driver really cannot make any profit on that load. They really try to dominate certain regions.

Replied on Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 12:40 PM CST

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Quote: "Rates seem to be based on breaking the law in this industry, ie running overweight, running two log books with a ELD exempt antique, deleting emissions, claiming that puppets on a string are independent contractors, in order to get around work comp, unemployment laws, etc. I expect many of these folks won’t be around when Biden gets done, since he wants to make the EPA follow California standards, banning any truck nationally that don’t meet California standards. Everything California is about to go national, from trucks to labor laws, so I’m glad I don’t have a large fleet."

They take other brokers loads every day.....all the time. And yes they take every penny they can till a driver really cannot make any profit on that load. They really try to dominate certain regions.

Replied on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 09:47 AM CST + 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Exactly. Loads that paid 70 per ton a year ago, now pay 43. Why would someone be willing to tote fertilizer through mountains in the winter time for 1.70 per mile. More people aspiring for life in a van down by the river." How do you compete with trucks that can haul 80,000 pounds of payload when you have trucks that can haul 80,000 gross weight. It would be nice if we went back to just the 80,000 gross accross the board so the playing field is level! I guess I never saw the merit in adding axles to haul more weight and then cutting the rate! Just saying.

Replied on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 09:47 AM CST

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Quote: "Exactly. Loads that paid 70 per ton a year ago, now pay 43. Why would someone be willing to tote fertilizer through mountains in the winter time for 1.70 per mile. More people aspiring for life in a van down by the river."

How do you compete with trucks that can haul 80,000 pounds of payload when you have trucks that can haul 80,000 gross weight. It would be nice if we went back to just the 80,000 gross accross the board so the playing field is level! I guess I never saw the merit in adding axles to haul more weight and then cutting the rate! Just saying.

Replied on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:31 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "How do you compete with trucks that can haul 80,000 pounds of payload when you have trucks that can haul 80,000 gross weight. It would be nice if we went back to just the 80,000 gross accross the board so the playing field is level! I guess I never saw the merit in adding axles to haul more weight and then cutting the rate! Just saying." I can't disagree with you at all. In fact, I recently ran the numbers on updating my 3 axle hopper to a tandem and pull a pup. My incentive would have been more dollars per mile, and possibly save my customer money. After putting the math to it in a one year hypothetical.....I would have hypothetically increased gross income, but decreased profit. I would have had to charge more per pound to make it work. So I see your point that you guys have been talking about, loud and clear. But I'll also say, for my business personally, it fits my customers needs to deliver 58k. They pay me a rate that is satisfactory to my business and lifestyle, therefore I'll personally still advocate for my right to pull that triple ax hopper down the road and hope my peers are ok with it because I'm not cutting any rates for anyone. In fact, im a bit of a snob, and probably ask for a higher rate than most. I've been broke before, and don't really care to do it again, but I see your point ed.

Replied on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:31 PM CST

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Quote: "How do you compete with trucks that can haul 80,000 pounds of payload when you have trucks that can haul 80,000 gross weight. It would be nice if we went back to just the 80,000 gross accross the board so the playing field is level! I guess I never saw the merit in adding axles to haul more weight and then cutting the rate! Just saying."

I can't disagree with you at all. In fact, I recently ran the numbers on updating my 3 axle hopper to a tandem and pull a pup. My incentive would have been more dollars per mile, and possibly save my customer money. After putting the math to it in a one year hypothetical.....I would have hypothetically increased gross income, but decreased profit. I would have had to charge more per pound to make it work. So I see your point that you guys have been talking about, loud and clear. But I'll also say, for my business personally, it fits my customers needs to deliver 58k. They pay me a rate that is satisfactory to my business and lifestyle, therefore I'll personally still advocate for my right to pull that triple ax hopper down the road and hope my peers are ok with it because I'm not cutting any rates for anyone. In fact, im a bit of a snob, and probably ask for a higher rate than most. I've been broke before, and don't really care to do it again, but I see your point ed.

Replied on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 03:39 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Should slavery really be illegal? Do we really need government sticking their nose in the market, and passing laws to regulate human behavior? Where does freedom end, and slavery begin? If vulnerable adults choose to work for free, should they be allowed to set the standard for the rest of us, in the name of the free market?

Replied on Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 09:14 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. They own part or most of lightway out of Canada They offer a load say 30.00 a ton you take it and send the paperwork in. Commodity service take 10% so you are at 27.00 send to a factoring company that takes 2-4% so you just pulled for 24.00 a ton commodiity services will keep you busy but will keep you broke same for gavilon.

Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:34 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "How do you compete with trucks that can haul 80,000 pounds of payload when you have trucks that can haul 80,000 gross weight. It would be nice if we went back to just the 80,000 gross accross the board so the playing field is level! I guess I never saw the merit in adding axles to haul more weight and then cutting the rate! Just saying." My merit in hauling larger loads was to keep up with my customers demands. Its a lot easier to add two axles than it is to hire a compentant driver. Let alone buy a second truck and trailer, and all of it's expense. 66 ton of bean meal, 165 ton of DDG's daily just from me. Other comapny had four trucks hauling to. Busy place. All gone now, thanks to this Covid crap.

Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:34 PM CST

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My merit in hauling larger loads was to keep up with my customers demands. Its a lot easier to add two axles than it is to hire a compentant driver. Let alone buy a second truck and trailer, and all of it's expense. 66 ton of bean meal, 165 ton of DDG's daily just from me. Other comapny had four trucks hauling to. Busy place. All gone now, thanks to this Covid crap.

Replied on Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 05:27 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. So that's why Lightway drivers are wearing Commodity Services jackets.

Replied on Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 05:27 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. more truckers need to communicate and stop these kind of brokers .. doesn't take long looking on here to see which brokers on here are grabbing all the loads and making the money

Replied on Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 07:13 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "more truckers need to communicate and stop these kind of brokers .. doesn't take long looking on here to see which brokers on here are grabbing all the loads and making the money" It is not just commodity service. There is one in Minnesota and mid ag is also who gets loads form commodity service. A lot of loads on Bulkloads are double brokered. Seems like if commodity service don’t move it quick they have a list of brokers that take some and call and ask “ hey I need a load moved or I need a favor “.

Replied on Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 07:13 AM CST

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Quote: "more truckers need to communicate and stop these kind of brokers .. doesn't take long looking on here to see which brokers on here are grabbing all the loads and making the money"

It is not just commodity service. There is one in Minnesota and mid ag is also who gets loads form commodity service. A lot of loads on Bulkloads are double brokered. Seems like if commodity service don’t move it quick they have a list of brokers that take some and call and ask “ hey I need a load moved or I need a favor “.

Replied on Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 08:57 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. well if you ever noticed everytime Perdue post a load Commodity will have the same load posted

Replied on Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:47 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Exactly. Loads that paid 70 per ton a year ago, now pay 43. Why would someone be willing to tote fertilizer through mountains in the winter time for 1.70 per mile. More people aspiring for life in a van down by the river." The fertilizer delivery prices were cut in half compared to last year that was because the supplier in Iowa thought that cost was too much the same company controls the delivery out of Beulah. I am sure the employees got a raise and I order to keep the profits up the trucking companies had to be cut. Yet they will not pay a fuel surcharge fuel was 1.89 last year now it is 2.24. When dakota gasification had run it. Every 2 weeks you got your check and it was based on fuel also. When dakota gasification started producing nh3 cenex offered the expansion money for 51% of the product. They didn’t get it. If you haul nh3 it is booked by A&H out of valley city they also do a lot of dry. Now CHS doesn’t hire outside hauling. They say it is cheaper to pay 17.00 hr and use their own trucks Why not they then have cheap insurance and access to all the cheap fuel own maintenance shops Cenex does control the fuel prices. In Montana along the high line no matter where from great falls to bainville the price was the same didn’t matter how far they had to haul the fuel the cooperative is not your friend. They will take care of you from the cradle to the grave cenex made millions because they quite paying out the dividends also know as the rebate on the overcharge

Replied on Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:47 AM CST

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The fertilizer delivery prices were cut in half compared to last year that was because the supplier in Iowa thought that cost was too much the same company controls the delivery out of Beulah. I am sure the employees got a raise and I order to keep the profits up the trucking companies had to be cut.

Yet they will not pay a fuel surcharge fuel was 1.89 last year now it is 2.24.

When dakota gasification had run it. Every 2 weeks you got your check and it was based on fuel also. When dakota gasification started producing nh3 cenex offered the expansion money for 51% of the product. They didn’t get it. If you haul nh3 it is booked by A&H out of valley city they also do a lot of dry.

Now CHS doesn’t hire outside hauling. They say it is cheaper to pay 17.00 hr and use their own trucks Why not they then have cheap insurance and access to all the cheap fuel own maintenance shops Cenex does control the fuel prices. In Montana along the high line no matter where from great falls to bainville the price was the same didn’t matter how far they had to haul the fuel

the cooperative is not your friend. They will take care of you from the cradle to the grave

cenex made millions because they quite paying out the dividends also know as the rebate on the overcharge

Replied on Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 06:16 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "The fertilizer delivery prices were cut in half compared to last year that was because the supplier in Iowa thought that cost was too much the same company controls the delivery out of Beulah. I am sure the employees got a raise and I order to keep the profits up the trucking companies had to be cut. Yet they will not pay a fuel surcharge fuel was 1.89 last year now it is 2.24. When dakota gasification had run it. Every 2 weeks you got your check and it was based on fuel also. When dakota gasification started producing nh3 cenex offered the expansion money for 51% of the product. They didn’t get it. If you haul nh3 it is booked by A&H out of valley city they also do a lot of dry. Now CHS doesn’t hire outside hauling. They say it is cheaper to pay 17.00 hr and use their own trucks Why not they then have cheap insurance and access to all the cheap fuel own maintenance shops Cenex does control the fuel prices. In Montana along the high line no matter where from great falls to bainville the price was the same didn’t matter how far they had to haul the fuel the cooperative is not your friend. They will take care of you from the cradle to the grave cenex made millions because they quite paying out the dividends also know as the rebate on the overcharge " Huh?...🤦‍♂️

Replied on Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 06:16 AM CST

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Quote: "The fertilizer delivery prices were cut in half compared to last year that was because the supplier in Iowa thought that cost was too much the same company controls the delivery out of Beulah. I am sure the employees got a raise and I order to keep the profits up the trucking companies had to be cut. Yet they will not pay a fuel surcharge fuel was 1.89 last year now it is 2.24. When dakota gasification had run it. Every 2 weeks you got your check and it was based on fuel also. When dakota gasification started producing nh3 cenex offered the expansion money for 51% of the product. They didn’t get it. If you haul nh3 it is booked by A&H out of valley city they also do a lot of dry. Now CHS doesn’t hire outside hauling. They say it is cheaper to pay 17.00 hr and use their own trucks Why not they then have cheap insurance and access to all the cheap fuel own maintenance shops Cenex does control the fuel prices. In Montana along the high line no matter where from great falls to bainville the price was the same didn’t matter how far they had to haul the fuel the cooperative is not your friend. They will take care of you from the cradle to the grave cenex made millions because they quite paying out the dividends also know as the rebate on the overcharge "

Huh?...🤦‍♂️

Replied on Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 05:31 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Huh?...🤦‍♂️" We end up with "authentic frontier jibberish" thanks to smart phones, spell check etc.

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 07:17 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. So here's the deal - complaining about the rates isn't the answer. If the load pays a rate you can profit from and you want to haul the load then take the load. If it's not a profitable rate for you don't take the load. Do each of you complaining about the rates buy the most expensive tires, fuel or parts? Of course you don't. So don't be hypocrites when your customer (broker or not) trys to get the best price they can find. After all you want them to stay in business otherwise it could cost you your business! Almost 40 years in trucking with plenty of mistakes and a lifetime of experiences. I share it all for free on my website www.learntotruck.com.

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 07:17 AM CST

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So here's the deal - complaining about the rates isn't the answer. If the load pays a rate you can profit from and you want to haul the load then take the load. If it's not a profitable rate for you don't take the load. Do each of you complaining about the rates buy the most expensive tires, fuel or parts? Of course you don't. So don't be hypocrites when your customer (broker or not) trys to get the best price they can find. After all you want them to stay in business otherwise it could cost you your business! Almost 40 years in trucking with plenty of mistakes and a lifetime of experiences. I share it all for free on my website www.learntotruck.com.

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:26 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "So here's the deal - complaining about the rates isn't the answer. If the load pays a rate you can profit from and you want to haul the load then take the load. If it's not a profitable rate for you don't take the load. Do each of you complaining about the rates buy the most expensive tires, fuel or parts? Of course you don't. So don't be hypocrites when your customer (broker or not) trys to get the best price they can find. After all you want them to stay in business otherwise it could cost you your business! Almost 40 years in trucking with plenty of mistakes and a lifetime of experiences. I share it all for free on my website www.learntotruck.com." There was a time I would agree with you, however when everyone else around you is working cheap, it pulls you down with them, just like communism, wich I have have a feeling you may get to experience before your life is over, however for the time being you seem to THINK your making money, when nobody else around you is, so how about showing us some proof, and posting your taxes?

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:26 AM CST

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Quote: "So here's the deal - complaining about the rates isn't the answer. If the load pays a rate you can profit from and you want to haul the load then take the load. If it's not a profitable rate for you don't take the load. Do each of you complaining about the rates buy the most expensive tires, fuel or parts? Of course you don't. So don't be hypocrites when your customer (broker or not) trys to get the best price they can find. After all you want them to stay in business otherwise it could cost you your business! Almost 40 years in trucking with plenty of mistakes and a lifetime of experiences. I share it all for free on my website www.learntotruck.com."

There was a time I would agree with you, however when everyone else around you is working cheap, it pulls you down with them, just like communism, wich I have have a feeling you may get to experience before your life is over, however for the time being you seem to THINK your making money, when nobody else around you is, so how about showing us some proof, and posting your taxes?

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:32 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "It is not just commodity service. There is one in Minnesota and mid ag is also who gets loads form commodity service. A lot of loads on Bulkloads are double brokered. Seems like if commodity service don’t move it quick they have a list of brokers that take some and call and ask “ hey I need a load moved or I need a favor “. " im not defending any company but you sir need to look up the definitions of what " Double Brokering" and " CO Brokering" are because by its very legal definition the " broker" can give his/her load to another "broker" if they have someone to cover it and that is by definiton legal. Now if the "broker" gives you the "carrier" a load and you "broker" that load off to another "carrier" to haul you have now by its definition "double brokered" that load and that is not legal.

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:32 AM CST

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Quote: "It is not just commodity service. There is one in Minnesota and mid ag is also who gets loads form commodity service. A lot of loads on Bulkloads are double brokered. Seems like if commodity service don’t move it quick they have a list of brokers that take some and call and ask “ hey I need a load moved or I need a favor “. "

im not defending any company but you sir need to look up the definitions of what " Double Brokering" and " CO Brokering" are because by its very legal definition the " broker" can give his/her load to another "broker" if they have someone to cover it and that is by definiton legal. Now if the "broker" gives you the "carrier" a load and you "broker" that load off to another "carrier" to haul you have now by its definition "double brokered" that load and that is not legal.

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "So here's the deal - complaining about the rates isn't the answer. If the load pays a rate you can profit from and you want to haul the load then take the load. If it's not a profitable rate for you don't take the load. Do each of you complaining about the rates buy the most expensive tires, fuel or parts? Of course you don't. So don't be hypocrites when your customer (broker or not) trys to get the best price they can find. After all you want them to stay in business otherwise it could cost you your business! Almost 40 years in trucking with plenty of mistakes and a lifetime of experiences. I share it all for free on my website www.learntotruck.com." I agree with some of what you said and after 40 years, you obviously have more experience than me, so here's my question for you. Why is your goal and critique of people who "complain about rates", to run cheaper? I agree 100 percent to wage war on expenses. But cheap tires are cheap quality. Cheap parts don't last. I think its important to provide value to my customers but aside from servicing them, my goals are to get better as a company constantly, that means updating equipment and doing maintenance, and trying to look professional, but I also have goals for my family, I have 3 daughters and they like being in activities. The like being clothed, and the like a roof that doesn't leak. So in this case, I say heck yes, Dave is correct. Somebody else's willingness to do things dirt cheap, ruins it for others. So what am I missing that I have that attitude? I have a modest operation, I have less than 100k into a truck and 2 trailers, If it needs a repair, I address it asap, I buy fuel where it is cost effective to buy it. I mean no disrespect, and I also agree, if there's no money to be made, don't do it! But whats the harm in having the conversation? If John or Jane doe trucker, knew the loads they are pulling for 1.70, payed 3 dollars , one year ago, would they still do it?

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM CST

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I agree with some of what you said and after 40 years, you obviously have more experience than me, so here's my question for you. Why is your goal and critique of people who "complain about rates", to run cheaper? I agree 100 percent to wage war on expenses. But cheap tires are cheap quality. Cheap parts don't last. I think its important to provide value to my customers but aside from servicing them, my goals are to get better as a company constantly, that means updating equipment and doing maintenance, and trying to look professional, but I also have goals for my family, I have 3 daughters and they like being in activities. The like being clothed, and the like a roof that doesn't leak. So in this case, I say heck yes, Dave is correct. Somebody else's willingness to do things dirt cheap, ruins it for others. So what am I missing that I have that attitude? I have a modest operation, I have less than 100k into a truck and 2 trailers, If it needs a repair, I address it asap, I buy fuel where it is cost effective to buy it. I mean no disrespect, and I also agree, if there's no money to be made, don't do it! But whats the harm in having the conversation? If John or Jane doe trucker, knew the loads they are pulling for 1.70, payed 3 dollars , one year ago, would they still do it?

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 01:00 PM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I can't disagree with you at all. In fact, I recently ran the numbers on updating my 3 axle hopper to a tandem and pull a pup. My incentive would have been more dollars per mile, and possibly save my customer money. After putting the math to it in a one year hypothetical.....I would have hypothetically increased gross income, but decreased profit. I would have had to charge more per pound to make it work. So I see your point that you guys have been talking about, loud and clear. But I'll also say, for my business personally, it fits my customers needs to deliver 58k. They pay me a rate that is satisfactory to my business and lifestyle, therefore I'll personally still advocate for my right to pull that triple ax hopper down the road and hope my peers are ok with it because I'm not cutting any rates for anyone. In fact, im a bit of a snob, and probably ask for a higher rate than most. I've been broke before, and don't really care to do it again, but I see your point ed." I respect your views but if we had a level playing field and everyone hauled the same amount, then we could all figure a rate that could work on a 25 ton load. I am sure that you have a few truckers that you trust that would be able to help you out with your customer if you needed help to make things work making sure your customer's needs are met? That is what we do. If we can not handle all of the work we have, I have a few people that I trust completely that will not go behind my back with my customers. This trucking industry has gotten extremely cut throat! We all need to make money! Lord knows that we are not in this for our health?!

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 01:00 PM CST

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Quote: "I can't disagree with you at all. In fact, I recently ran the numbers on updating my 3 axle hopper to a tandem and pull a pup. My incentive would have been more dollars per mile, and possibly save my customer money. After putting the math to it in a one year hypothetical.....I would have hypothetically increased gross income, but decreased profit. I would have had to charge more per pound to make it work. So I see your point that you guys have been talking about, loud and clear. But I'll also say, for my business personally, it fits my customers needs to deliver 58k. They pay me a rate that is satisfactory to my business and lifestyle, therefore I'll personally still advocate for my right to pull that triple ax hopper down the road and hope my peers are ok with it because I'm not cutting any rates for anyone. In fact, im a bit of a snob, and probably ask for a higher rate than most. I've been broke before, and don't really care to do it again, but I see your point ed."

I respect your views but if we had a level playing field and everyone hauled the same amount, then we could all figure a rate that could work on a 25 ton load. I am sure that you have a few truckers that you trust that would be able to help you out with your customer if you needed help to make things work making sure your customer's needs are met? That is what we do. If we can not handle all of the work we have, I have a few people that I trust completely that will not go behind my back with my customers. This trucking industry has gotten extremely cut throat! We all need to make money! Lord knows that we are not in this for our health?!

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 04:06 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. There is a old saying, that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, well up until the past year and a half, not much changed in trucking, because it was assumed all was well, then all of a sudden there were these demonstrations popping up around the country, the Skhi community in California started showing up in the 6:00 news, followed by slow rolls in Texas, and then truckers started showing up at the White House, and the whole time the ATA and TIA, tried to silence these movements, probably because they are really controlled by the shippers, who want cheap trucks, but then the public started paying attention to social media, and the injustices of the industry became known, forcing the White House to meet, with truckers like Rick Santiago, and finally for the first time since the 70’s, truckers are getting a seat at the table. (ie, the new driver advisory board, and transparency issues) There is no doubt that those who oppress us, would like to keep the dirty secrets of trucker abuse hidden from the public, but in the age of social media, combined with the social justice movement that is now sweeping much of the country, tied in with trucker protests, change is coming. All of this was made possible by complaining, and making noise.

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There is a old saying, that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, well up until the past year and a half, not much changed in trucking, because it was assumed all was well, then all of a sudden there were these demonstrations popping up around the country, the Skhi community in California started showing up in the 6:00 news, followed by slow rolls in Texas, and then truckers started showing up at the White House, and the whole time the ATA and TIA, tried to silence these movements, probably because they are really controlled by the shippers, who want cheap trucks, but then the public started paying attention to social media, and the injustices of the industry became known, forcing the White House to meet, with truckers like Rick Santiago, and finally for the first time since the 70’s, truckers are getting a seat at the table. (ie, the new driver advisory board, and transparency issues) There is no doubt that those who oppress us, would like to keep the dirty secrets of trucker abuse hidden from the public, but in the age of social media, combined with the social justice movement that is now sweeping much of the country, tied in with trucker protests, change is coming. All of this was made possible by complaining, and making noise.

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 04:06 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Then we all should drive the same trucks own same trailers drive the same speed and get up the same time in morning. Got to keep it fair. That word level the playing field just sends fire in my eyes I don't want it level I want to do it better then u thats is what its about. Thats why I own it to do what I think is best not to level the playing field. Yea everyone gets a ribbon so we don't hurt your feelings

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Then we all should drive the same trucks own same trailers drive the same speed and get up the same time in morning. Got to keep it fair. That word level the playing field just sends fire in my eyes I don't want it level I want to do it better then u thats is what its about. Thats why I own it to do what I think is best not to level the playing field. Yea everyone gets a ribbon so we don't hurt your feelings

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 04:42 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Then we all should drive the same trucks own same trailers drive the same speed and get up the same time in morning. Got to keep it fair. That word level the playing field just sends fire in my eyes I don't want it level I want to do it better then u thats is what its about. Thats why I own it to do what I think is best not to level the playing field. Yea everyone gets a ribbon so we don't hurt your feelings" Looks like someone already got a big blue ribbon, a taxpayer funded one, then turned around and used the cash to start a trucking company? EWG Farm Subsidy Database \|\| Farm Subsidy Search Results

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Quote: "Then we all should drive the same trucks own same trailers drive the same speed and get up the same time in morning. Got to keep it fair. That word level the playing field just sends fire in my eyes I don't want it level I want to do it better then u thats is what its about. Thats why I own it to do what I think is best not to level the playing field. Yea everyone gets a ribbon so we don't hurt your feelings"

Looks like someone already got a big blue ribbon, a taxpayer funded one, then turned around and used the cash to start a trucking company? EWG Farm Subsidy Database || Farm Subsidy Search Results

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 06:58 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Looks like someone already got a big blue ribbon, a taxpayer funded one, then turned around and used the cash to start a trucking company? EWG Farm Subsidy Database \|\| Farm Subsidy Search Results " EWG Farm Subsidy Database \|\| Farm Subsidy Search Results

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 06:58 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Looks like someone already got a big blue ribbon, a taxpayer funded one, then turned around and used the cash to start a trucking company? EWG Farm Subsidy Database \|\| Farm Subsidy Search Results " That was an eye opener! Thanks for posting.

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:25 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Not me I don't farm. Actually the name isn't right I have my own name. But again life is not fair. And Dave if some one was to give you money legally you would take it to

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:25 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. And as you see hadr farms partnership is a whole different unit then hader farms trucking which iam leased to. Separate owners and separate business. No government money here.

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:26 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Wow I just saw figures for the first time too but I guess I am better off trucking

Replied on Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:27 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I thought trump said we weren't going to be a socialist nation as long as he was president🤔.

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 08:09 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. In 2020 there seems to be plenty of "free" money out there no matter the industry. And people telling you to take it whether you need it or not. And because the other guy is taking it you must get your share.......... UH, other than that, how do I know whether I need it? I'm finding out you need to be careful who you talk to about it and what you say because it is surprising who's taking it.

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 08:09 AM CST

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In 2020 there seems to be plenty of "free" money out there no matter the industry. And people telling you to take it whether you need it or not. And because the other guy is taking it you must get your share.......... UH, other than that, how do I know whether I need it? I'm finding out you need to be careful who you talk to about it and what you say because it is surprising who's taking it.

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 09:48 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Not me I don't farm. Actually the name isn't right I have my own name. But again life is not fair. And Dave if some one was to give you money legally you would take it to" What I find interesting is that the adress listed on the DOT website for Hader farms trucking, is the same adress thats listed for the entities on the farm subsidy Data base, so why do all these corperations share the same adress? Hymmmm Do a google search, then go to the Dot website, and look at the adress listed.

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 09:48 AM CST

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Quote: "Not me I don't farm. Actually the name isn't right I have my own name. But again life is not fair. And Dave if some one was to give you money legally you would take it to"

What I find interesting is that the adress listed on the DOT website for Hader farms trucking, is the same adress thats listed for the entities on the farm subsidy Data base, so why do all these corperations share the same adress? Hymmmm Do a google search, then go to the Dot website, and look at the adress listed.

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 10:48 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Same address different same yard different dot numbers different owners different employees

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 12:01 PM CST + 2 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Same address different same yard different dot numbers different owners different employees" Up until a few miniutes ago, your posts showed you being under Hader farms, now suddenly you changed them, so you come up under Eric Schetel trucking, would you care to explain that?

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 01:46 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Yes iam Eric Schettl trucking ihave worked for hader farms trucking for 26 years. Last 4 years I owned my truck leased to hader so when I tell you the trucking has nothing to do with the farm side I mean it. So I figure I better change the name so it sinks in

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 01:46 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Those figures me nothing to me I don't care not my side of the business I told you that but uo I have to much time on your hands and way to nosey and don't no the facts

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 02:16 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Here is one big problem .. Direct ship loads are rarely posted online Connecting to the proper shippers takes alot of time and effort I believe guys run thru these brokers because it's easy and to someone uneducated about what these loads really pay I would love to post what I can get some of these loads for direct But someone would backdoor and lower rates anyways

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 02:16 PM CST

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Here is one big problem ..

Direct ship loads are rarely posted online

Connecting to the proper shippers takes alot of time and effort

I believe guys run thru these brokers because it's easy and to someone uneducated about what these loads really pay

I would love to post what I can get some of these loads for direct

But someone would backdoor and lower rates anyways

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 04:54 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Those figures me nothing to me I don't care not my side of the business I told you that but uo I have to much time on your hands and way to nosey and don't no the facts" I don't think it's nosey at all! Public record that can be seen by anyone! I stand behind my statement of 80,000 across the board! There are many factors beyond rates to consider in this equation. The state of our roads would be MUCH improved if the weights of the trucks hauling were less. Rates are a large part of this equation too. 5 years ago we had rates from Idaho to ND that would work for a 5 axle truck. Now with companies moving trucks around with axles from front to back and grossing 130,000 into ND the rates are in the low 60's per ton and a tandem can not make money running for that amount. I am not sure how trucks running in the higher elevations, using more fuel to pull grade, more brakes to slow them down, more tires because of added axles, added license and permits and all the add ons that come with the extra axles can make money at the current rates. Let's get back to the story subject. We work with Commodity Service a lot! Some times the rates are good, sometimes not so good, but if the rates do not work to make a profit, we respectfully decline to haul the load. If the rate works for our profit scheme we haul the load or at least put a rate out that would work for us and if they can meet that rate we haul for them. Would I rather have my own freight to haul, yes, and most times do, but if I am short on loads, I am not affraid to look at what they are offering and see if things will work out for my company and my drivers. All I can say is that I have dealt with these guys for around 10 years and plan to keep dealing with them when it is benificial to both sides!

Replied on Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 04:54 PM CST

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Quote: "Those figures me nothing to me I don't care not my side of the business I told you that but uo I have to much time on your hands and way to nosey and don't no the facts"

I don't think it's nosey at all! Public record that can be seen by anyone!

I stand behind my statement of 80,000 across the board! There are many factors beyond rates to consider in this equation. The state of our roads would be MUCH improved if the weights of the trucks hauling were less. Rates are a large part of this equation too. 5 years ago we had rates from Idaho to ND that would work for a 5 axle truck. Now with companies moving trucks around with axles from front to back and grossing 130,000 into ND the rates are in the low 60's per ton and a tandem can not make money running for that amount. I am not sure how trucks running in the higher elevations, using more fuel to pull grade, more brakes to slow them down, more tires because of added axles, added license and permits and all the add ons that come with the extra axles can make money at the current rates.

Let's get back to the story subject. We work with Commodity Service a lot! Some times the rates are good, sometimes not so good, but if the rates do not work to make a profit, we respectfully decline to haul the load. If the rate works for our profit scheme we haul the load or at least put a rate out that would work for us and if they can meet that rate we haul for them. Would I rather have my own freight to haul, yes, and most times do, but if I am short on loads, I am not affraid to look at what they are offering and see if things will work out for my company and my drivers. All I can say is that I have dealt with these guys for around 10 years and plan to keep dealing with them when it is benificial to both sides!

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 07:12 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I respect your views but if we had a level playing field and everyone hauled the same amount, then we could all figure a rate that could work on a 25 ton load. I am sure that you have a few truckers that you trust that would be able to help you out with your customer if you needed help to make things work making sure your customer's needs are met? That is what we do. If we can not handle all of the work we have, I have a few people that I trust completely that will not go behind my back with my customers. This trucking industry has gotten extremely cut throat! We all need to make money! Lord knows that we are not in this for our health?! " I agree with you a little bit more every time we talk about this topic....I appreciate the way you lay it out

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 07:12 AM CST

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Quote: "I respect your views but if we had a level playing field and everyone hauled the same amount, then we could all figure a rate that could work on a 25 ton load. I am sure that you have a few truckers that you trust that would be able to help you out with your customer if you needed help to make things work making sure your customer's needs are met? That is what we do. If we can not handle all of the work we have, I have a few people that I trust completely that will not go behind my back with my customers. This trucking industry has gotten extremely cut throat! We all need to make money! Lord knows that we are not in this for our health?! "

I agree with you a little bit more every time we talk about this topic....I appreciate the way you lay it out

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 07:12 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Here is one big problem .. Direct ship loads are rarely posted online Connecting to the proper shippers takes alot of time and effort I believe guys run thru these brokers because it's easy and to someone uneducated about what these loads really pay I would love to post what I can get some of these loads for direct But someone would backdoor and lower rates anyways " Jon. I would think you could give us a ball park figure on what you get without revealing any specific loads, so no one can pursue undercutting you. Example... had a guy tell me if he gets 2 dollars all miles he was good. Me I'm shooting for 4 dollars per loaded mile... im a long ways from that. What is your "all miles" or " loaded" miles number? It seems REALLY hard to negotiate with a broker.. their numbers seem really set.

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 07:12 AM CST

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Quote: "Here is one big problem .. Direct ship loads are rarely posted online Connecting to the proper shippers takes alot of time and effort I believe guys run thru these brokers because it's easy and to someone uneducated about what these loads really pay I would love to post what I can get some of these loads for direct But someone would backdoor and lower rates anyways "

Jon. I would think you could give us a ball park figure on what you get without revealing any specific loads, so no one can pursue undercutting you. Example... had a guy tell me if he gets 2 dollars all miles he was good. Me I'm shooting for 4 dollars per loaded mile... im a long ways from that. What is your "all miles" or " loaded" miles number? It seems REALLY hard to negotiate with a broker.. their numbers seem really set.

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 07:12 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Any time we have these rate discussions, and they start to build steam, then someone comes along and tries to shut it down by essentially calling truckers a bunch of crybabies, red flags pop up, and my BS detector goes off, So I start asking questions, after all what true business owner would advocate a lower standard of living for their industry or themselves? If anyone says they are making money at this, when nobody else is, that’s another red flag. Dry vans and reefers don’t need seven axles, but hoppers do? What does that tell you about who is running transportation in the bulk world? Is government running the country, or is it transnational national corporations?

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 07:12 AM CST

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Any time we have these rate discussions, and they start to build steam, then someone comes along and tries to shut it down by essentially calling truckers a bunch of crybabies, red flags pop up, and my BS detector goes off, So I start asking questions, after all what true business owner would advocate a lower standard of living for their industry or themselves? If anyone says they are making money at this, when nobody else is, that’s another red flag. Dry vans and reefers don’t need seven axles, but hoppers do? What does that tell you about who is running transportation in the bulk world? Is government running the country, or is it transnational national corporations?

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 08:34 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Exactly , exactly, why do you only see extra axles in 2 industry's agricultural and for super heavy machinery? The 1 above needs extra axles for their 40 plus ton load and the other industry does it for greed and profit from all levels.

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 10:22 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Exactly , exactly, why do you only see extra axles in 2 industry's agricultural and for super heavy machinery? The 1 above needs extra axles for their 40 plus ton load and the other industry does it for greed and profit from all levels." I can't disagree with the extra axle argument from you guys. But why is being profitable associated with being greedy? Its not greedy to provide a decent life for your family. Why should I do a job for free just because somebody lectures me behind a fake name? I've been flat ass broke for the majority of the last 10 years, and I'm now digging myself out of that hole, and that is a greedy scenario?? Please help me understand. Again, I see the axle argument, but whats the deal with demonizing doing ok in life?

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 10:22 AM CST

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Quote: "Exactly , exactly, why do you only see extra axles in 2 industry's agricultural and for super heavy machinery? The 1 above needs extra axles for their 40 plus ton load and the other industry does it for greed and profit from all levels."

I can't disagree with the extra axle argument from you guys. But why is being profitable associated with being greedy? Its not greedy to provide a decent life for your family. Why should I do a job for free just because somebody lectures me behind a fake name? I've been flat ass broke for the majority of the last 10 years, and I'm now digging myself out of that hole, and that is a greedy scenario?? Please help me understand. Again, I see the axle argument, but whats the deal with demonizing doing ok in life?

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 11:41 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Let’s break this down to a basic level, and ask who owns the right to all of the life substaining resources on the planet? Everyone needs certain resources to survive, food, water and shelter. In earlier times would we ever allow someone to have total control over those resources we depended on? If you were grazing cattle and getting the water from a stream that ran across my property, and I built a dam and diverted its flow, so that it no longer flowed down to you and your farm, and that was the only source of water in the area, would it be tolerated by society? Obviously not. Well nowadays in modern society the resource that’s depended on is money, and we are expected to allow others control the fruits of labor, and resource that modern life is dependent on? Greed defined.

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Let’s break this down to a basic level, and ask who owns the right to all of the life substaining resources on the planet? Everyone needs certain resources to survive, food, water and shelter. In earlier times would we ever allow someone to have total control over those resources we depended on? If you were grazing cattle and getting the water from a stream that ran across my property, and I built a dam and diverted its flow, so that it no longer flowed down to you and your farm, and that was the only source of water in the area, would it be tolerated by society? Obviously not. Well nowadays in modern society the resource that’s depended on is money, and we are expected to allow others control the fruits of labor, and resource that modern life is dependent on? Greed defined.

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 06:26 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I can't disagree with the extra axle argument from you guys. But why is being profitable associated with being greedy? Its not greedy to provide a decent life for your family. Why should I do a job for free just because somebody lectures me behind a fake name? I've been flat ass broke for the majority of the last 10 years, and I'm now digging myself out of that hole, and that is a greedy scenario?? Please help me understand. Again, I see the axle argument, but whats the deal with demonizing doing ok in life?" Here is the way I have been bidding freight for the past 20 years. I take the amount that the truck that can haul the least can legally haul, which is 25 tons and figure my rate by that amount so that truck can be profitable. If another truck can haul more than 25 tons, then he is a little more profitable. If my 6 and 7 axle trucks haul the load then we do not drop the rate because they can haul more! The amount stays the same per ton to offset the added expense of running a rig with extra axles. We personally have gone away from extra axle rigs. We found that the extra money made by having extra axles was eaten up by added fuel costs, tires, brakes and other expenses. I can only say what works for us! It may not work for you and that is perfectly fine. We just all need to make a profit or we can not stay in business!

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Quote: "I can't disagree with the extra axle argument from you guys. But why is being profitable associated with being greedy? Its not greedy to provide a decent life for your family. Why should I do a job for free just because somebody lectures me behind a fake name? I've been flat ass broke for the majority of the last 10 years, and I'm now digging myself out of that hole, and that is a greedy scenario?? Please help me understand. Again, I see the axle argument, but whats the deal with demonizing doing ok in life?"

Here is the way I have been bidding freight for the past 20 years. I take the amount that the truck that can haul the least can legally haul, which is 25 tons and figure my rate by that amount so that truck can be profitable. If another truck can haul more than 25 tons, then he is a little more profitable. If my 6 and 7 axle trucks haul the load then we do not drop the rate because they can haul more! The amount stays the same per ton to offset the added expense of running a rig with extra axles. We personally have gone away from extra axle rigs. We found that the extra money made by having extra axles was eaten up by added fuel costs, tires, brakes and other expenses. I can only say what works for us! It may not work for you and that is perfectly fine. We just all need to make a profit or we can not stay in business!

Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 06:26 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Please dont take me wrong. Why can a reefer wagon or conestoga or anything else make a good living on 5 axles? I am not calling you out for trying to get ahead by hauling heavy. I do the same every day and I like to question the motivation and why I have to be harder on my investments and more fuel when a good profitable rate could be had. A truck should be able to get a great rate on a legal load and if you as the driver want to take on the risk of loading heavier it should pay accordingly

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Please dont take me wrong. Why can a reefer wagon or conestoga or anything else make a good living on 5 axles? I am not calling you out for trying to get ahead by hauling heavy. I do the same every day and I like to question the motivation and why I have to be harder on my investments and more fuel when a good profitable rate could be had. A truck should be able to get a great rate on a legal load and if you as the driver want to take on the risk of loading heavier it should pay accordingly

Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 07:23 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I can't disagree with the extra axle argument from you guys. But why is being profitable associated with being greedy? Its not greedy to provide a decent life for your family. Why should I do a job for free just because somebody lectures me behind a fake name? I've been flat ass broke for the majority of the last 10 years, and I'm now digging myself out of that hole, and that is a greedy scenario?? Please help me understand. Again, I see the axle argument, but whats the deal with demonizing doing ok in life?" I think those factory workers in detroit asked that same question Dale, my guess would be it goes something like this. John Rich - Shuttin' Detroit Down [Music Video] - YouTube

Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 07:23 AM CST

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I think those factory workers in detroit asked that same question Dale, my guess would be it goes something like this. John Rich - Shuttin' Detroit Down [Music Video] - YouTube

Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 07:24 AM CST

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Quote: "im not defending any company but you sir need to look up the definitions of what " Double Brokering" and " CO Brokering" are because by its very legal definition the " broker" can give his/her load to another "broker" if they have someone to cover it and that is by definiton legal. Now if the "broker" gives you the "carrier" a load and you "broker" that load off to another "carrier" to haul you have now by its definition "double brokered" that load and that is not legal. "

The key word in your definition is GIVE. While it is legal to GIVE another broker your load, you cannot sell it to them or take a commission. Two brokers each taking a commission is double brokering...

Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 07:42 AM CST

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Quote: "more truckers need to communicate and stop these kind of brokers .. doesn't take long looking on here to see which brokers on here are grabbing all the loads and making the money"

If you don’t like brokers, go get the loads yourself. Pretty easy. Omit them. You all think brokers are stealing but have you ever said no to any of them? Built a relationship with some? Instead of bitching about them try to talk nice to them. Geez!!!

Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 05:20 AM CST

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Commodity services is actually one of the decent ones out there.... At least our experiences have been positive. They don't charge you a percentage off of the agreed upon rate, and any broker doing that is screwing you royally! They agree to a rate with the shipper or sometimes another brokerage company, say $40/ton, then you take the load from them for $30/ton(just an example).... Now some of the more dirt bag brokers will tell you they aren't getting anything from the shipper, so they charge you 8% or whatever....