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Nov 14, 2020 at 08:21 AM CST
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Question about Commodity Services, do they cut rates on loads or do they just skim off the top.The reason I ask is, I loaded a load the other day and there were 2 trucks loading with me and they were getting 65 a ton, so I should them my conformation for the same load going to same place I was getting 85 a ton, and there is another place I load we get 95 ton plus fuel Commodity pays 74 no fuel. skim or cutting rate ? Now don't get me wrong I am not putting Commodity down a lot of people load for them just want to know

Replied on Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 08:49 PM CST
It's kind of like this. If someone's taking the load for the rate that's offered why offer more? Either the other trucks thought the money was right or they just don't know any better. Just how trucking is. . . always someone willing to haul cheaper
Replied on Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 08:35 AM CST
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Rates seem to be based on breaking the law in this industry, ie running overweight, running two log books with a ELD exempt antique, deleting emissions, claiming that puppets on a string are independent contractors, in order to get around work comp, unemployment laws, etc. I expect many of these folks won’t be around when Biden gets done, since he wants to make the EPA follow California standards, banning any truck nationally that don’t meet California standards. Everything California is about to go national, from trucks to labor laws, so I’m glad I don’t have a large fleet.
Replied on Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 12:40 PM CST
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Quote: "It's kind of like this. If someone's taking the load for the rate that's offered why offer more? Either the other trucks thought the money was right or they just don't know any better. Just how trucking is. . . always someone willing to haul cheaper"

Exactly. Loads that paid 70 per ton a year ago, now pay 43. Why would someone be willing to tote fertilizer through mountains in the winter time for 1.70 per mile. More people aspiring for life in a van down by the river.
Replied on Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 12:40 PM CST
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Quote: "Rates seem to be based on breaking the law in this industry, ie running overweight, running two log books with a ELD exempt antique, deleting emissions, claiming that puppets on a string are independent contractors, in order to get around work comp, unemployment laws, etc. I expect many of these folks won’t be around when Biden gets done, since he wants to make the EPA follow California standards, banning any truck nationally that don’t meet California standards. Everything California is about to go national, from trucks to labor laws, so I’m glad I don’t have a large fleet."

They take other brokers loads every day.....all the time. And yes they take every penny they can till a driver really cannot make any profit on that load. They really try to dominate certain regions.

Replied on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 09:47 AM CST
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Quote: "Exactly. Loads that paid 70 per ton a year ago, now pay 43. Why would someone be willing to tote fertilizer through mountains in the winter time for 1.70 per mile. More people aspiring for life in a van down by the river."

How do you compete with trucks that can haul 80,000 pounds of payload when you have trucks that can haul 80,000 gross weight. It would be nice if we went back to just the 80,000 gross accross the board so the playing field is level! I guess I never saw the merit in adding axles to haul more weight and then cutting the rate! Just saying.
Replied on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:31 PM CST
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Quote: "How do you compete with trucks that can haul 80,000 pounds of payload when you have trucks that can haul 80,000 gross weight. It would be nice if we went back to just the 80,000 gross accross the board so the playing field is level! I guess I never saw the merit in adding axles to haul more weight and then cutting the rate! Just saying."

I can't disagree with you at all. In fact, I recently ran the numbers on updating my 3 axle hopper to a tandem and pull a pup. My incentive would have been more dollars per mile, and possibly save my customer money. After putting the math to it in a one year hypothetical.....I would have hypothetically increased gross income, but decreased profit. I would have had to charge more per pound to make it work. So I see your point that you guys have been talking about, loud and clear. But I'll also say, for my business personally, it fits my customers needs to deliver 58k. They pay me a rate that is satisfactory to my business and lifestyle, therefore I'll personally still advocate for my right to pull that triple ax hopper down the road and hope my peers are ok with it because I'm not cutting any rates for anyone. In fact, im a bit of a snob, and probably ask for a higher rate than most. I've been broke before, and don't really care to do it again, but I see your point ed.
Replied on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 03:39 PM CST
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Should slavery really be illegal? Do we really need government sticking their nose in the market, and passing laws to regulate human behavior? Where does freedom end, and slavery begin? If vulnerable adults choose to work for free, should they be allowed to set the standard for the rest of us, in the name of the free market?
Replied on Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 09:14 AM CST

They own part or most of lightway out of Canada They offer a load say 30.00 a ton you take it and send the paperwork in. Commodity service take 10% so you are at 27.00 send to a factoring company that takes 2-4% so you just pulled for 24.00 a ton

commodiity services will keep you busy but will keep you broke same for gavilon.

Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:34 PM CST
Quote: "How do you compete with trucks that can haul 80,000 pounds of payload when you have trucks that can haul 80,000 gross weight. It would be nice if we went back to just the 80,000 gross accross the board so the playing field is level! I guess I never saw the merit in adding axles to haul more weight and then cutting the rate! Just saying."

My merit in hauling larger loads was to keep up with my customers demands. Its a lot easier to add two axles than it is to hire a compentant driver. Let alone buy a second truck and trailer, and all of it's expense. 66 ton of bean meal, 165 ton of DDG's daily just from me. Other comapny had four trucks hauling to. Busy place. All gone now, thanks to this Covid crap.

Replied on Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 05:27 PM CST

So that's why Lightway drivers are wearing Commodity Services jackets.

Replied on Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 05:27 PM CST

more truckers need to communicate and stop these kind of brokers ..

doesn't take long looking on here to see which brokers on here are grabbing all the loads and making the money

Replied on Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 07:13 AM CST
Quote: "more truckers need to communicate and stop these kind of brokers .. doesn't take long looking on here to see which brokers on here are grabbing all the loads and making the money"

It is not just commodity service. There is one in Minnesota and mid ag is also who gets loads form commodity service. A lot of loads on Bulkloads are double brokered. Seems like if commodity service don’t move it quick they have a list of brokers that take some and call and ask “ hey I need a load moved or I need a favor “.

Replied on Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 08:57 AM CST

well if you ever noticed everytime Perdue post a load Commodity will have the same load posted

Replied on Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:47 AM CST
Quote: "Exactly. Loads that paid 70 per ton a year ago, now pay 43. Why would someone be willing to tote fertilizer through mountains in the winter time for 1.70 per mile. More people aspiring for life in a van down by the river."

The fertilizer delivery prices were cut in half compared to last year that was because the supplier in Iowa thought that cost was too much the same company controls the delivery out of Beulah. I am sure the employees got a raise and I order to keep the profits up the trucking companies had to be cut.

Yet they will not pay a fuel surcharge fuel was 1.89 last year now it is 2.24.

When dakota gasification had run it. Every 2 weeks you got your check and it was based on fuel also. When dakota gasification started producing nh3 cenex offered the expansion money for 51% of the product. They didn’t get it. If you haul nh3 it is booked by A&H out of valley city they also do a lot of dry.

Now CHS doesn’t hire outside hauling. They say it is cheaper to pay 17.00 hr and use their own trucks Why not they then have cheap insurance and access to all the cheap fuel own maintenance shops Cenex does control the fuel prices. In Montana along the high line no matter where from great falls to bainville the price was the same didn’t matter how far they had to haul the fuel

the cooperative is not your friend. They will take care of you from the cradle to the grave

cenex made millions because they quite paying out the dividends also know as the rebate on the overcharge

Replied on Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 06:16 AM CST
Quote: "The fertilizer delivery prices were cut in half compared to last year that was because the supplier in Iowa thought that cost was too much the same company controls the delivery out of Beulah. I am sure the employees got a raise and I order to keep the profits up the trucking companies had to be cut. Yet they will not pay a fuel surcharge fuel was 1.89 last year now it is 2.24. When dakota gasification had run it. Every 2 weeks you got your check and it was based on fuel also. When dakota gasification started producing nh3 cenex offered the expansion money for 51% of the product. They didn’t get it. If you haul nh3 it is booked by A&H out of valley city they also do a lot of dry. Now CHS doesn’t hire outside hauling. They say it is cheaper to pay 17.00 hr and use their own trucks Why not they then have cheap insurance and access to all the cheap fuel own maintenance shops Cenex does control the fuel prices. In Montana along the high line no matter where from great falls to bainville the price was the same didn’t matter how far they had to haul the fuel the cooperative is not your friend. They will take care of you from the cradle to the grave cenex made millions because they quite paying out the dividends also know as the rebate on the overcharge "

Huh?...🤦‍♂️
Replied on Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 05:31 PM CST
Quote: "Huh?...🤦‍♂️"

We end up with "authentic frontier jibberish" thanks to smart phones, spell check etc.