ELB perfect storm

Apr 20, 2016 at 03:09 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. The header says perfect storm, the truth is ELB's will not work in the livestock industry . I know this is a hopper forum, but many of you have livestock. How,were or what are you going to do with a load of cattle, hogs or sheep when you run out of hours? Lay them over ? were? Who is going to pay the yardage, how are you going to keep your load strait from the rest of the lay over. How are you going to keep from getting your load rustled. How are they going to prevent and monitor desease? Livestock is not for steering wheel holders, there aren't enough team drivers to do the simple stuff. i don't know how many O/O's will stay in hauling punch sides in a year, all I know is that I will be out. The money is tight now, but it will be gone if it takes twice as long to do a job.

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 04:02 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. How are you running legal now ?

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 04:02 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. How are you running legal now ?

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 04:02 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. How are you running legal now ?

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 04:17 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. did not mean to post that 3 times

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:17 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Trade secret Kevin. They will most likely have and exemption for livestock as they will for the oil fields. I would not worry to much about it, by the time it is said and done they will have the exemption for the hoppers and reefers as well. They will place it under an AG style exemption, you watch and see. They know you can't run those critters down the road the same as a dry van, or flat bed. Those people enjoy their steaks and bacon too much to allow that to happen. When I was bull racking I had two of us on the truck and it was still hard to do. I actually think I did better when I did it solo, but then the bottom feel out and I had to go back home and saddle up to the dry van once again. Guess that is why when customers act like their dry van is so important or their hopper freight just has to be there right now, I just shrug my shoulders and state lack of planning on your part does not declare and emergency on my part. With the critters though it is totally different, I did not want them on that wagon any longer than I had to have them there, to much risk involved.

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:17 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Trade secret Kevin.

They will most likely have and exemption for livestock as they will for the oil fields. I would not worry to much about it, by the time it is said and done they will have the exemption for the hoppers and reefers as well. They will place it under an AG style exemption, you watch and see. They know you can't run those critters down the road the same as a dry van, or flat bed. Those people enjoy their steaks and bacon too much to allow that to happen. When I was bull racking I had two of us on the truck and it was still hard to do. I actually think I did better when I did it solo, but then the bottom feel out and I had to go back home and saddle up to the dry van once again. Guess that is why when customers act like their dry van is so important or their hopper freight just has to be there right now, I just shrug my shoulders and state lack of planning on your part does not declare and emergency on my part. With the critters though it is totally different, I did not want them on that wagon any longer than I had to have them there, to much risk involved.

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:37 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. i dunno , i saw a jb hunt trk pulling a hopper on 10 in texas the other day so..... , but although i have an 07 trk . i have found my loophole through an auditor unless something changes drastically.

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:56 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. JB been running in Meta as well for quite a while on and off. Hogan hauls chickens, and hogs as well. Weiner has been seen sneaking around with some hoppers as well. It won't last for the Mega's their drivers don't like to get dirty and nasty. At least Hogan has been running the bird for a long time. Yep, watch old CR England jump into the game next. They will think they can haul critters around in their reefers and deliver them to the customers already frozen.

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:56 PM CST

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JB been running in Meta as well for quite a while on and off. Hogan hauls chickens, and hogs as well. Weiner has been seen sneaking around with some hoppers as well. It won't last for the Mega's their drivers don't like to get dirty and nasty. At least Hogan has been running the bird for a long time. Yep, watch old CR England jump into the game next. They will think they can haul critters around in their reefers and deliver them to the customers already frozen.

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 07:05 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I had heard that Swift was starting up a livestock, fuel and frameless dump division

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 07:19 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. well you know..... they used to haul cows in reefers years ago....

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 07:57 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Was that so they could turn the truck into an ice cream truck right there on the spot. Hey that may just work, put the cows in the back of a reefer with some fruit. Go to a truckstop and start ringing the bell and watch all those kiddie drivers come running for their ice cream. LOL Swifty, Swifty come and get your ice cream.

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 08:03 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. i used to see some of those old trailers out in pastures at places , they had vent doors all over the sides and a raiseable deck in the floor, they would haul produce meat whatever out and open up the vent doors raiseb floor the subfloor and load live cattle back, some were just a single deck. utility built them they were called a cow palace

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 08:20 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Way before my time. I have never seen any like that. Sounds pretty cool, but with the new FDA rules that would never fly today.

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 08:30 PM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. yep fda made em quit doin it , it was befeore my time too but saw a trailer here and there out in a pasture and ask some of the ..then ... old timers about em . its jusy like grain haulin , i pulled a flat floor with a throw tarp and traps in the floor for a few years , hauled grain and fertilizer in it , was really nice at th elevators some had platform lifts and the old ones had the big hooks and cables, did'nt much care for fertilizer though , once the traps stopped flowing it was shovel and broom time , i could sure get a good load of grain on that 78 inch flat floor though

Replied on Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 08:30 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

yep fda made em quit doin it , it was befeore my time too but saw a trailer here and there out in a pasture and ask some of the ..then ... old timers about em . its jusy like grain haulin , i pulled a flat floor with a throw tarp and traps in the floor for a few years , hauled grain and fertilizer in it , was really nice at th elevators some had platform lifts and the old ones had the big hooks and cables, did'nt much care for fertilizer though , once the traps stopped flowing it was shovel and broom time , i could sure get a good load of grain on that 78 inch flat floor though

Replied on Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 10:12 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Its really simple to keep the critters moving when a driver runs out of hours and its the same way everyone is gonna have to do time sensitive freight. Gotta have 2 drivers in a truck. Doesn't matter if thats what you want to hear or not but the government isn't gonna leave a provision in there for critter haulers that says you can do as you see fit. You can't do that now and won't be able to in the future either

Replied on Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 10:12 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Its really simple to keep the critters moving when a driver runs out of hours and its the same way everyone is gonna have to do time sensitive freight. Gotta have 2 drivers in a truck. Doesn't matter if thats what you want to hear or not but the government isn't gonna leave a provision in there for critter haulers that says you can do as you see fit. You can't do that now and won't be able to in the future either