Eldorado questions

Nov 22, 2015 at 03:54 PM CST + 1
JASON WEAST FAIR GROVE TRUCKING Fair Grove, MO 610 Posts, 0 +, 1 -	JASON WEAST FAIR GROVE TRUCKING - Fair Grove, MO I run 4 days per week staying in missouri only for now. On a regular basis it takes 3- 6 hours to load and 1-2 hours to unload, none of this gets recorded on my comicbook. I go home every night in between routes. I take naps every day and stop at numerous places. I ran a experiment on a downloaded app. If I run a ELD on my route and legally log all of my time I can never take my daily afternoon naps, stop and get my good coffee and homemade pie at home, stop and fish here and there, and I will never see home as I drive by it. I guess my question is, am I just shit out of luck? Will the shipper and receiver have to be more on the ball or get charged for me sitting there , since I now have to record every second? Is anyone coming up with ways to override the computer so we can manually manipulate it? Are the farmers gonna be mandated to this ? Are one truck independents gonna be mandated also? Since all my time is now being controlled who will pay for every second im in my truck ? Are we going to be so expensive that Noone can afford to hire us? I'm just confused. All and any would be appreciated. Thanks in advance

Replied on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 03:55 PM CST
JASON WEAST FAIR GROVE TRUCKING Fair Grove, MO 610 Posts, 0 +, 1 -	JASON WEAST FAIR GROVE TRUCKING - Fair Grove, MO ELD questions, spell check sucks

Replied on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 07:41 PM CST
JERRY BECK BECK BULK HANKAMER, TX 511 Posts, 44 +, 5 -	JERRY BECK BECK BULK - HANKAMER, TX Jason the sales rep who called us for Verizon said there is legislation to force shippers/receivers to pay for all waiting time. I don't see that happening I'm interested in seeing if Averitt, U S Express, FedEx and Celadon will have to pay when their drivers park in the fuel lanes while they go in for a Big Mac.

Replied on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 08:14 PM CST
DENNIS STOTTS JONES MOTOR CO Akron, OH 2 Posts, 1 +, 0 -	DENNIS STOTTS JONES MOTOR CO - Akron, OH This has been the sacred cow of trucking companies. Think about it.....if trucking companies start drawing delay time what is in it for them? Nothing. You would have to get all the money or even more to make it worth even talking about and considering these trucking companies are under a lot of pressure thanks to the internet.....they are afraid of loosing customers on something they will see no benefit on. Just wait untill they mandate EOBRS..... I know for a fact there are drivers leaving the industry because they see it on the horizon. I am on a message board for a certain company and they are loosing OO's like crazy. Fact is I'm prolly going to walk because in reality there is no way to make delay time fair. Think about it.... a shipper has 3 loading bays. They have 6 loads so if three trucks show up in the morning and three in the afternoon things should go smoothly. Does that happen...not all the time. Usually two trucks show up in the morning and 4 in the afternoon. Some one is going to wait....and its not the shippers fault. Appt times are not really the answer either considering you may accept a load your ready for at 7am and get a 4pm loading time.....wasting YOUR entire day. Trucking is bad enough but when you add the fact there will be an adjustment period for both shippers and recievers it will...in my opinion...be more than the market can bear and drivers will walk....by the groves. You just pointed out that an EBOR will keep you from going home and taking your afternoon nap..... That is going to change your attitude about what your doing for a living. It will make your job a lifestyle you wont want. Unless there is tons of $$$$ in it your not going to want to deal with it and you will leave. I dont care how nice your truck is.....it just wont be worth it. Trust me...Ive been there. Trucking companies are very aware of this but there is only so much they can do. Fact is what has to happen is a mass of drivers leaving the industry leaving a very low number of trucks per load ratio before anything gets done about it. Where the rubber meets the road is when the shipper cannot find a truck to haul their product......they will do whatever it takes to get one......but for now there are 3 trucks in the parking lot next door looking up load boards trying to find that one load so the shipper doent have to worrry.....for now. Once the madate happens then the mass of drivers leave.....no capacity means shippers change the way they do business. I'm not willing to stick around and feed the vultures......

Replied on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 08:14 PM CST

DENNIS STOTTS

JONES MOTOR CO

Akron, OH

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DENNIS STOTTS

JONES MOTOR CO - Akron, OH

This has been the sacred cow of trucking companies. Think about it.....if trucking companies start drawing delay time what is in it for them? Nothing. You would have to get all the money or even more to make it worth even talking about and considering these trucking companies are under a lot of pressure thanks to the internet.....they are afraid of loosing customers on something they will see no benefit on. Just wait untill they mandate EOBRS..... I know for a fact there are drivers leaving the industry because they see it on the horizon. I am on a message board for a certain company and they are loosing OO's like crazy. Fact is I'm prolly going to walk because in reality there is no way to make delay time fair.

Think about it.... a shipper has 3 loading bays. They have 6 loads so if three trucks show up in the morning and three in the afternoon things should go smoothly. Does that happen...not all the time. Usually two trucks show up in the morning and 4 in the afternoon. Some one is going to wait....and its not the shippers fault. Appt times are not really the answer either considering you may accept a load your ready for at 7am and get a 4pm loading time.....wasting YOUR entire day. Trucking is bad enough but when you add the fact there will be an adjustment period for both shippers and recievers it will...in my opinion...be more than the market can bear and drivers will walk....by the groves.

You just pointed out that an EBOR will keep you from going home and taking your afternoon nap..... That is going to change your attitude about what your doing for a living. It will make your job a lifestyle you wont want. Unless there is tons of $$$$ in it your not going to want to deal with it and you will leave. I dont care how nice your truck is.....it just wont be worth it. Trust me...Ive been there. Trucking companies are very aware of this but there is only so much they can do. Fact is what has to happen is a mass of drivers leaving the industry leaving a very low number of trucks per load ratio before anything gets done about it. Where the rubber meets the road is when the shipper cannot find a truck to haul their product......they will do whatever it takes to get one......but for now there are 3 trucks in the parking lot next door looking up load boards trying to find that one load so the shipper doent have to worrry.....for now.

Once the madate happens then the mass of drivers leave.....no capacity means shippers change the way they do business. I'm not willing to stick around and feed the vultures......

Replied on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 10:14 PM CST
DAVE WINTERS DWT TRUCKING CLEARWATER, MN 600 Posts, 308 +, 107 -	DAVE WINTERS DWT TRUCKING - CLEARWATER, MN It's likely that this is going put the politicians in a very uncomfortable situation for a number of reasons. First off there will be a mass exodus of drivers from the industry, witch will destroy the market for new and used trucks. After all who want's to make a payment on a truck that doesn't have a driver in it? And if nobody can find a buyer for that truck, you have two choices to get out of it, file bankruptcy or light it on fire and collect the insurance! This is going to cost the banks and insurance companies alot of money, and those two very powerfull institutions are going to go after the people responsible for creating that mess, and money talks when it's election time. There is also going to be a very big increase in the number of accidents on americas roads, as they panic and put inexperianced drivers out there, and that's going to show up on the evening news.(Another uncomfortable situation for the politicians). And the price of food will skyrocket when you have to charge that grain elevator by the hour, for all the time your driver sat there, ( That will show up on the evening news too).

Replied on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 10:14 PM CST

DAVE WINTERS

DWT TRUCKING

CLEARWATER, MN

600 Posts, 308 +, 107 -

DAVE WINTERS

DWT TRUCKING - CLEARWATER, MN

It's likely that this is going put the politicians in a very uncomfortable situation for a number of reasons. First off there will be a mass exodus of drivers from the industry, witch will destroy the market for new and used trucks. After all who want's to make a payment on a truck that doesn't have a driver in it? And if nobody can find a buyer for that truck, you have two choices to get out of it, file bankruptcy or light it on fire and collect the insurance! This is going to cost the banks and insurance companies alot of money, and those two very powerfull institutions are going to go after the people responsible for creating that mess, and money talks when it's election time. There is also going to be a very big increase in the number of accidents on americas roads, as they panic and put inexperianced drivers out there, and that's going to show up on the evening news.(Another uncomfortable situation for the politicians). And the price of food will skyrocket when you have to charge that grain elevator by the hour, for all the time your driver sat there, ( That will show up on the evening news too).

Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 06:36 AM CST
DANIEL CORBIN LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC COLUMBIA, NC 204 Posts, 181 +, 22 -	DANIEL CORBIN LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC - COLUMBIA, NC The way I read it if you stay in state you won't have to go to ELDs. Nether would farm or vocational trucks, and they may be able to get away crossing state lines as long as not for hire. I see no way to make a decent living and run logs. Rates will have to increase to make up for the time spent sitting. I predict local rates will drop with an influx of trucks not wanting to cross state lines.

Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 06:36 AM CST

DANIEL CORBIN

LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC

COLUMBIA, NC

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DANIEL CORBIN

LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC - COLUMBIA, NC

The way I read it if you stay in state you won't have to go to ELDs. Nether would farm or vocational trucks, and they may be able to get away crossing state lines as long as not for hire. I see no way to make a decent living and run logs. Rates will have to increase to make up for the time spent sitting. I predict local rates will drop with an influx of trucks not wanting to cross state lines.

Replied on Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 08:36 PM CST + 2
DAVE WINTERS DWT TRUCKING CLEARWATER, MN 600 Posts, 308 +, 107 -	DAVE WINTERS DWT TRUCKING - CLEARWATER, MN Originally Posted by: DENNIS STOTTS Quote: "This has been the sacred cow of trucking companies. Think about it.....if trucking companies start drawing delay time what is in it for them? Nothing. You would have to get all the money or even more to make it worth even talking about and considering these trucking companies are under a lot of pressure thanks to the internet.....they are afraid of loosing customers on something they will see no benefit on. Just wait untill they mandate EOBRS..... I know for a fact there are drivers leaving the industry because they see it on the horizon. I am on a message board for a certain company and they are loosing OO's like crazy. Fact is I'm prolly going to walk because in reality there is no way to make delay time fair. Think about it.... a shipper has 3 loading bays. They have 6 loads so if three trucks show up in the morning and three in the afternoon things should go smoothly. Does that happen...not all the time. Usually two trucks show up in the morning and 4 in the afternoon. Some one is going to wait....and its not the shippers fault. Appt times are not really the answer either considering you may accept a load your ready for at 7am and get a 4pm loading time.....wasting YOUR entire day. Trucking is bad enough but when you add the fact there will be an adjustment period for both shippers and recievers it will...in my opinion...be more than the market can bear and drivers will walk....by the groves.You just pointed out that an EBOR will keep you from going home and taking your afternoon nap..... That is going to change your attitude about what your doing for a living. It will make your job a lifestyle you wont want. Unless there is tons of $$$$ in it your not going to want to deal with it and you will leave. I dont care how nice your truck is.....it just wont be worth it. Trust me...Ive been there. Trucking companies are very aware of this but there is only so much they can do. Fact is what has to happen is a mass of drivers leaving the industry leaving a very low number of trucks per load ratio before anything gets done about it. Where the rubber meets the road is when the shipper cannot find a truck to haul their product......they will do whatever it takes to get one......but for now there are 3 trucks in the parking lot next door looking up load boards trying to find that one load so the shipper doent have to worrry.....for now.Once the madate happens then the mass of drivers leave.....no capacity means shippers change the way they do business. I'm not willing to stick around and feed the vultures......" The ATA has alot in common with a heroin addict, in that without a intervention they will ultimately destroy themselves. After decades of lying to capital hill, their credibility has steadily eroded, and this electronic bondage( ELECTRONIC LOG) nonsense, could be the rope they use to hang themselves with. The department of labor is already in the process of reclassifying truck drivers as skilled labor, and they plan to use the data collected from ELD's as documentation of how unfair drivers are really treated. What this ultimately means is you will loose the ability to rate cut, as you will no longer be able to give your drivers time away for free. Assuming that everyone is on equall ground with the rest of their overhead, the drivers wages play the biggest part in determaning the rate you charge the shipper. The labor unions and the safety groups see ELD's as a major victory, so in that context the ATA has failed in it's primary goal to drive down the cost of frieght.

Replied on Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 08:36 PM CST

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DAVE WINTERS

DWT TRUCKING

CLEARWATER, MN

600 Posts, 308 +, 107 -

DAVE WINTERS

DWT TRUCKING - CLEARWATER, MN

Originally Posted by: DENNIS STOTTS
Quote: "This has been the sacred cow of trucking companies. Think about it.....if trucking companies start drawing delay time what is in it for them? Nothing. You would have to get all the money or even more to make it worth even talking about and considering these trucking companies are under a lot of pressure thanks to the internet.....they are afraid of loosing customers on something they will see no benefit on. Just wait untill they mandate EOBRS..... I know for a fact there are drivers leaving the industry because they see it on the horizon. I am on a message board for a certain company and they are loosing OO's like crazy. Fact is I'm prolly going to walk because in reality there is no way to make delay time fair. Think about it.... a shipper has 3 loading bays. They have 6 loads so if three trucks show up in the morning and three in the afternoon things should go smoothly. Does that happen...not all the time. Usually two trucks show up in the morning and 4 in the afternoon. Some one is going to wait....and its not the shippers fault. Appt times are not really the answer either considering you may accept a load your ready for at 7am and get a 4pm loading time.....wasting YOUR entire day. Trucking is bad enough but when you add the fact there will be an adjustment period for both shippers and recievers it will...in my opinion...be more than the market can bear and drivers will walk....by the groves.You just pointed out that an EBOR will keep you from going home and taking your afternoon nap..... That is going to change your attitude about what your doing for a living. It will make your job a lifestyle you wont want. Unless there is tons of $$$$ in it your not going to want to deal with it and you will leave. I dont care how nice your truck is.....it just wont be worth it. Trust me...Ive been there. Trucking companies are very aware of this but there is only so much they can do. Fact is what has to happen is a mass of drivers leaving the industry leaving a very low number of trucks per load ratio before anything gets done about it. Where the rubber meets the road is when the shipper cannot find a truck to haul their product......they will do whatever it takes to get one......but for now there are 3 trucks in the parking lot next door looking up load boards trying to find that one load so the shipper doent have to worrry.....for now.Once the madate happens then the mass of drivers leave.....no capacity means shippers change the way they do business. I'm not willing to stick around and feed the vultures......"

The ATA has alot in common with a heroin addict, in that without a intervention they will ultimately destroy themselves. After decades of lying to capital hill, their credibility has steadily eroded, and this electronic bondage( ELECTRONIC LOG) nonsense, could be the rope they use to hang themselves with. The department of labor is already in the process of reclassifying truck drivers as skilled labor, and they plan to use the data collected from ELD's as documentation of how unfair drivers are really treated. What this ultimately means is you will loose the ability to rate cut, as you will no longer be able to give your drivers time away for free. Assuming that everyone is on equall ground with the rest of their overhead, the drivers wages play the biggest part in determaning the rate you charge the shipper. The labor unions and the safety groups see ELD's as a major victory, so in that context the ATA has failed in it's primary goal to drive down the cost of frieght.

Replied on Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:28 PM CST
DANIEL CORBIN LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC COLUMBIA, NC 204 Posts, 181 +, 22 -	DANIEL CORBIN LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC - COLUMBIA, NC Basically what your saying is we lose the power to negotiate or be independent. And will have to work at the same rate as company driver? Your hours will be set, your pay will be set. No chance to get out and work hard and make a hustle. At the end of the week we all made the same pay check so ATA is happy.

Replied on Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 08:42 AM CST
DAVE WINTERS DWT TRUCKING CLEARWATER, MN 600 Posts, 308 +, 107 -	DAVE WINTERS DWT TRUCKING - CLEARWATER, MN Originally Posted by: DANIEL CORBIN Quote: "Basically what your saying is we lose the power to negotiate or be independent. And will have to work at the same rate as company driver? Your hours will be set, your pay will be set. No chance to get out and work hard and make a hustle. At the end of the week we all made the same pay check so ATA is happy." No the ATA won't be happy, becuase the price of frieght will go up dramatically, as productivity goes down. The ATA was pushing ELD's because they know it will cause drivers to leave the industry, and they want that revolving door and high turnover, becuase it reduces labor costs, as new drivers work cheaper than experianced drivers. They didn't realize that the department of labor would use it against them.

Replied on Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 08:42 AM CST

DAVE WINTERS

DWT TRUCKING

CLEARWATER, MN

600 Posts, 308 +, 107 -

DAVE WINTERS

DWT TRUCKING - CLEARWATER, MN

Originally Posted by: DANIEL CORBIN
Quote: "Basically what your saying is we lose the power to negotiate or be independent. And will have to work at the same rate as company driver? Your hours will be set, your pay will be set. No chance to get out and work hard and make a hustle. At the end of the week we all made the same pay check so ATA is happy."

No the ATA won't be happy, becuase the price of frieght will go up dramatically, as productivity goes down. The ATA was pushing ELD's because they know it will cause drivers to leave the industry, and they want that revolving door and high turnover, becuase it reduces labor costs, as new drivers work cheaper than experianced drivers. They didn't realize that the department of labor would use it against them.

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