FLATBEDS or STEP DECKS ANYONE? 190 LOADS $1000 /310 MILES

What does the load pay? Are you the shipper? If you're just the broker how much are you taking? Seems about $240 light for a loaded one way round.

who goes one way for 311 miles?

Why do you consider a carrier asking the total rate an inappropriate question? There are a lot of problems in this industry a carrier expecting to know how much commission a broker is making is not one of them.

Nancy that is complete nonsense! Transportation brokers should have a fiduciary relationship with the carrier! Obviously as a commodity broker you don’t have that same level of transparency. However there is absolutely nothing wrong with a carrier that expects a broker to be honest about charging or withholding a pre determined percentage. I might do 10 loads or so a year with brokers and run several O/O and have always been up front and honest about the percentage I charge. You wonder why all the hatred and complaining that goes on in these forums and that is exactly why carriers hate brokers!

Sure some people like you think taking whatever amount of profit you can from some trucker stuck thousands of miles from home working 70 hours a week trying to make a living is just fine. I personally do not!

Having the ability to take advantage of someone does not make it the right thing to do.

I know I'm old, but back in the old days it was called skimming. No broker was allowed to just give a rate. The rate belongs to the shipper or the owner of the product. The broker gave the shippers rate and then said he was taking his 10 or 20% or whatever. It was not the brokers rate. Things were way more transparent then. I very rarely use a broker, but if I have to, I will know the background on the load. I have seen too many $2000 loads that paid $1600 and then the broker took 10% of that. I'm sure I will get hammered by the broker lovers but that's just my $.02 and I didn't even charge you for it.

No need to apologize for that,
It's not exactly clear if it's 310 miles 1 way or round trip,
We need to keep Rates where we are making profit not just getting by.

Just checked mileage. 472 miles one way.

It’s perfectly clear it’s 310 miles one way!!!!!!!!! Origin is in Indiana destination Pennsylvania!!! No wonder too many people on this web site can’t make money. They have no clue first how to read everything and then process it accurately. I don’t expect you to be PRO MILES OR MAPQUEST and know the exact distance off the top of your head. But damn people how did you get out of grade school without knowing there’s a little state called OHIO that separates the two of them??????????

It’s on a bulk site because bulkloads and flatloads share the same forum.

i dunno, if i hired a truck and could only find him that much revenue on 311 miles i think they would not go for it. and if that's your rate well obviously these loads are not a good fit for your truck.
if you have what if's you can also nail down what you think may or may not happen by doing the homework and asking, then you can make an educated decision. as far as loading etc. if you are real good at your job you will find that o/o some ltl gravy to load up and pay them a good percentage. lotsa options to go with......
as far as all the broker comments i guess someone fits that bill, as for me i do the customs, i line up the loads, i do precalls to check on both sides the info is legit. i am available to any of my carriers 24/7 and i pay a mortgage and buy dog biscuits. no trips to vegas or mexico but i do occasionally take trips in the big truck (step deck) down there. and we love fried bologna......

PC Miler Practical miles = 319, so how are some folks coming up with 400+?!?!

I have trucks and I'm also a broker, so I get to see both sides of the industry. Carriers who complain about brokers getting a % of the load need to keep in mind if it wasn't for brokers, carriers would have to be established with each shipper they haul for or plan to haul for, and it would limit the lanes you could service. It's very time consuming for brokers, therefore costly, to maintain those relationships, negotiate rates, set up loads, verify paperwork, screen carriers, verify insurance, track loads, etc. Carriers who only haul direct for shippers employ people to do the work a broker performs, which affects the profitability of each load. If brokers didn't exist, shippers would also have to employ people to do the same tasks a broker performs, which would reduce the rate they could pay. Just think about how you as a carrier would find loads if there weren't brokers..... As a carrier, I have gone direct to shippers thinking I'll get a better rate, but that's rarely the case. I've actually found the opposite, shippers paying direct carriers a lower rate than they do brokers, because they know they can. In one lane, a broker was paying me $1400 when the shipper only offered $1000. The broker was a better negotiator! I also know what my largest brokerage customer pays their carriers vs. the rate I get, and in most cases, I'm able to pay the same rate or better while also offering services like quick pay and the ability to find my carriers a backhaul. I have a brokerage lane where I pay carriers $950 and my customer pays direct carriers $650.

Nancy,

I don't have any more time to go back and forth with you over explaining how ( as a freight broker ) it is unethical to charge whatever the hell percentage you deem is fair.

I can tell you when i started in 1997 the standard in the bulk industry was 8% and 18 day terms. I can also tell you there are ethical companies that still operate at those rates and with that transparency. There are also a great many that DO NOT and feel it is fair game to take what they can get.

I commented on this forum because a freight broker called out a carrier for asking how much they were getting paid for freight. Then made it sound like he was a hero for actually telling the carrier while in his opinion 9 out of 10 brokers would never had given that information.

That is simply not true! There are many of us who gladly will tell carriers what the total rates are and exaclty what we are witholding.

Believe it or not there are actually brokers who work together without poaching each others customers as well!

BTW Nancy yes drivers are paid on percentage so they know the freight rates as well.

I wonder if there are forums for buyers of goods such as tires, groceries; parts; etc where the customers can bitch non stop about vendor pricing?

Buying a product if it doesn't live up to standards or price.. the customer doesn't need to BITCH about it..they just won't buy it and if that vendor doesn't get their stuff together.. they go tits up..