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Gotta love all the NEW brokers that have come out of the woodwork!!!

Apr 10, 2019 at 02:38 PM CST
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Is it just me or has there been a FLOOD of new brokers lately???!!! Then for a rate you post the rate per mile like we are supposed to be impressed that it pays $1.95/mile. And these are on loads that were paying over $3/mile....so are you cutting the rate that bad or are you pocketing the difference. PEOPLE.....SAY NO TO CHEAP FREIGHT!!!

Replied on Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 08:06 AM CST
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You've noticed these new brokers too! I thought I was the only one. Yes I've notice a lot of below $2/mile rates and they are proud of that rate too. I'm happy with mine sitting in a heated shop and someone else helping themselves to that good freight.
Replied on Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 08:07 AM CST
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I just wish for an in my dream shut down if it does not happen soon there will be no money to be made. like some truckers I've seen makes me wish I was dot
Replied on Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 08:07 AM CST
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We truckers needs to do like farmers and start coops and go after the work ourselves. If we pooled our resources we could take this industry back .These brokers have no idea what it takes to operate a rig or they wouldn't be posting these sucky rates . This game is being played on our backs so all we gotta do is stand up and it's over!
Replied on Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 08:37 AM CST
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Some newbie/nobody has loads posted in Chicago to go 15 miles at $ 2/mi. /round trip-- $60 for a half days work! What a clueless fool.
Replied on Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 07:39 AM CST
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Non-Assett Based....that sort of says it all doesn't it?...if I don't make it I loose my ASSetts...what skin do they have in the game?..

Replied on Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 01:58 PM CST
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Apparently there a lot of new carriers in the market too. If a fool is willing to take the load, who's fault is that?
Replied on Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:28 AM CST
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It's a bad day, when oil sunflower seeds rates are lower than ddg rates. This is part of the huge problem. Someone is scamming owner operators big time. Then to deal with three or more brokers trying to move a load, and all three are $5.00 per ton or more ( i have seen $20.00 difference per ton) ,difference in rate. It's a bad day..these new brokers are desk smart and that's about it. No clue to the real life on the highways! No clue to the backbone of their business.








Replied on Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:29 AM CST
Gents, I agree with you. I have been sitting now for a couple of days, because I refuse to accept those low rates too.
Replied on Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:30 AM CST
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I have not found a so called broker that will line up a return load for hoppers. 2.25 per mile to and 2.25 back is a livable rate

flatbed loads are getting 2.10 a running mile with reloads.

I don’t know why people take the break even loads. A lot of farmers in ND tell the elevator that they haul in and they WILL haul out so in come the fancy Pete’s and kw’s. And some 20 something kid loading just to keep the kid doing something in the winter

as long as daddy foots the bill the rates for hoppers will be low.

Talked to dot about it and they said as long as it is grain and they know it isn’t theirs they can’t touch them. Even for inspections

life goes on. Drive safe

Replied on Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 07:34 AM CST
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Has anyone else noticed that many of the brokers don’t speak fluid English?
Replied on Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 07:57 AM CST
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no disrespect intended, but have you noticed that some people can't write FLUENT english. :)

Replied on Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 11:37 AM CST
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These brokers can only do this if we let them,we for the most part do not even work with brokers,keep in mind the customer has to move their freight,if the broker cant move it then they will have to look elsewhere,we as an industry are the reason they exist.I propose that when searching these loads if it says broker,keep looking there are carriers,and shippers with loads to move,whom have a vested interest in this industry.Be part of the solution not the problem!
Replied on Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 07:07 AM CST
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To many brokers working off cell phones while selling used cars and life insurance out of the trunk. Like others said to many people that don't speak English well enough to understand. Talked with a broker and i couldn't hear her over kids screaming and they never called back with info. The brokerage community is sorely lacking, but i know its not fair to lump everyone together. Sadly to many people loading for these crappy people making it hard for the good honest ones to survive.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 12:56 PM CST
Make the brokers prove themselves. Have other options available. If they can't carry through on there end I can't on my end either. They see a penny to be made as soon as the rush is over there gone.
Replied on Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 02:36 PM CST
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I see a new broker on the board with terrible rates just reposting another broker's freight.
Replied on Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:07 AM CST
well if you guys that's been in this market for years...would five the new guys a heads up on what and how to haul this stuff. we may be able to keep it profitable for everyone...you too scared somebody going to low ball your buisness...so until you pull a new carrier or owner op...to the side and school them...hush your pie hole on low rates..
Replied on Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:07 AM CST
find those farmers and we quit hauling for them...easy fix..
Replied on Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:07 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ROSE PFLUGER
Quote: "To many brokers working off cell phones while selling used cars and life insurance out of the trunk. Like others said to many people that don't speak English well enough to understand. Talked with a broker and i couldn't hear her over kids screaming and they never called back with info. The brokerage community is sorely lacking, but i know its not fair to lump everyone together. Sadly to many people loading for these crappy people making it hard for the good honest ones to survive. Art Pfluger "

DOES TRIP LEASING EVEN EXIST ANY MORE OR CAN IT BE DONE? BEFORE I WAS LEASED TO THE COMPANY I AM NOW I USED TO JUST BOOK A LOAD OCCASIONALLY WITH THEM ON MY OWN AUTHORITY AND THEY JUST TOOK ABOUT 8 PERCENT OFF THE TOP.
Replied on Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 02:12 PM CST
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The vulnerable adults stood here nearly two years ago, and told us how the ELD was going to solve the problem of low rates and detention time. Well here we are now, in the land of rainbows and magic unicorns, and the vulnerable adults aren’t just driving anymore, now they are brokering, and wondering why nobody wants to drive anymore? If the only way you can get customers is to cut rates, then your not much of a salesman and should probably stop brokering and try barber college.
Replied on Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 02:12 PM CST
Yes we did a trip lease last year. Very few are aware of it. I got paperwork through OOIDA. Seems to me we had to pay gor it off a website.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 03:56 PM CST
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And then we get this...

C.H. Robinson liable for ruined chocolate it didn't transport

4/25/2019

Replied on Fri, May 17, 2019 at 08:43 AM CST
3 a loaded mile or 3 dollars all miles
Replied on Fri, May 17, 2019 at 08:43 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: MARLO WIMBERLY
Quote: "find those farmers and we quit hauling for them...easy fix.."

Such an easy fix!

Replied on Fri, May 17, 2019 at 01:01 PM CST
3 a loaded mile or 3 dollars all miles
Replied on Fri, May 17, 2019 at 01:40 PM CST

I have recently switched brokerages and have found that I am having a hard time securing new shippers as I am being under bid on almost every quote. I have been quoting at least 2$ a mile and sometimes more if the lane is tough or there are tolls. Shippers are choosing to take the low bids. They are going to get exactly what they are paying for!

Replied on Sun, May 19, 2019 at 07:04 AM CST
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There is a federal law that says that you can demand to see what they are getting paid for the load. Call ooida for more information.
Replied on Sun, May 19, 2019 at 07:04 AM CST

Gentlemen Amazon is a big reason why these rates are the way they are. They are putting every department store out of Buisness. Also Uber Freight has put a big dent on these rates . Now Amazon is starting their own brokerage department to slash prices and put major brokers out lik CH Robinson etc.... It’s gona get worse boys. I hate to sound so negative about a buisness that is my passion but it’s the facts that we are facing....

Replied on Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:14 AM CST
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So I have noticed over the last year or so a lot of the fertilizer loads I used to haul showing up posted by multiple brokers, at far less money than I used to get paid for them and I kind of have been chuckling thinking that no one would haul for that. But in the last month or so I have been receiving emails from the shipper directly and they seem to have seen these low posted rates and decided to cut out the broker and pocket their dime as well because they are wanting to pay the same crappy rate as the broker. Another of my regulars has purchased some of their own trucks to capitalize on all the big money in trucking. I don’t think brokers are the only challenge we face and I know many of you know this as well. As a small carrier, I rely on honorable brokers to keep me loaded and have dealt with a lot of good ones over the years that have always worked for fair rates. It really all comes down to the same old thing. Don’t haul cheap freight. These bad rates only happen because there is somebody that hauls for them. I understand that everyone has a different definition of what cheap is, but if you can’t pay yourself at least as well as a company driver, chances are you’re part of the problem. Just my opinion
Replied on Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:14 AM CST
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As a Broker, what can people on my side do when we ARE having to bid low to get the business... I try and make my minimum 10% (my company's minimum acceptable margin... of which I personally receive half) ... so in order to be competitive, we're having to bid jobs low, so we can't pay what you all deserve or are used to making.

Separate question from me, but on this topic. A rate of $3.60 per loaded mile for timber hauling, is that a good rate? I know I'm probably on the wrong thread or forum, but I'm trying to learn what I can bid that makes it a win-win for everyone...

Again, I'd love to be part of the solution, not the problem... How do we do it, though, when there will ALWAYS be a group of people who LOWBALL shippers and then can't help but pay lower rates than you deserve with all the costs of operating?

Replied on Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:14 AM CST

I read most of the comments here and I agree with you. Being a retired driver and a freight broker now, we know what it takes to move a truck. Guess what, we don't move cheap freight either.

Replied on Mon, May 20, 2019 at 03:53 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ADAM NORRIS
Quote: "As a Broker, what can people on my side do when we ARE having to bid low to get the business... I try and make my minimum 10% (my company's minimum acceptable margin... of which I personally receive half) ... so in order to be competitive, we're having to bid jobs low, so we can't pay what you all deserve or are used to making. Separate question from me, but on this topic. A rate of $3.60 per loaded mile for timber hauling, is that a good rate? I know I'm probably on the wrong thread or forum, but I'm trying to learn what I can bid that makes it a win-win for everyone... Again, I'd love to be part of the solution, not the problem... How do we do it, though, when there will ALWAYS be a group of people who LOWBALL shippers and then can't help but pay lower rates than you deserve with all the costs of operating? "

Where do you draw the line and become a "non-profit"?
Replied on Tue, May 21, 2019 at 06:06 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: ADAM NORRIS
Quote: "As a Broker, what can people on my side do when we ARE having to bid low to get the business... I try and make my minimum 10% (my company's minimum acceptable margin... of which I personally receive half) ... so in order to be competitive, we're having to bid jobs low, so we can't pay what you all deserve or are used to making. Separate question from me, but on this topic. A rate of $3.60 per loaded mile for timber hauling, is that a good rate? I know I'm probably on the wrong thread or forum, but I'm trying to learn what I can bid that makes it a win-win for everyone... Again, I'd love to be part of the solution, not the problem... How do we do it, though, when there will ALWAYS be a group of people who LOWBALL shippers and then can't help but pay lower rates than you deserve with all the costs of operating? "

I guess my first question is " Why do you have to bid it low?" You sound like TQL. "We will beat any rate out there." An attitude like that is what keeps these rates in the toilet like they are now. You don't have to get every customer out there. Bid your rates at a level where you can make your margin and pay the truck a fair rate. If the rate doesn't work, move on and let the product sit. Nonsense like this is what gives brokers a bad name. Sell yourself with service and not a low ball rate cutting company. Once you establish a low ball rate, it is damned tough to ever get it raised up. Rates are easily knocked down. Any trained monkey with a phone can do that. The trick is to make yourself valuable to the customer as a service oriented person and the rates will follow. If you can't cover your loads with the rate you bid, you leave the customer hanging and make yourself look really stupid because you can't honor your commitment

Replied on Tue, May 21, 2019 at 06:06 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: ADAM NORRIS
Quote: "As a Broker, what can people on my side do when we ARE having to bid low to get the business... I try and make my minimum 10% (my company's minimum acceptable margin... of which I personally receive half) ... so in order to be competitive, we're having to bid jobs low, so we can't pay what you all deserve or are used to making. Separate question from me, but on this topic. A rate of $3.60 per loaded mile for timber hauling, is that a good rate? I know I'm probably on the wrong thread or forum, but I'm trying to learn what I can bid that makes it a win-win for everyone... Again, I'd love to be part of the solution, not the problem... How do we do it, though, when there will ALWAYS be a group of people who LOWBALL shippers and then can't help but pay lower rates than you deserve with all the costs of operating? "

3.60 is a good rate one way. What about the second load. Nothing to haul back so you expect some one to work all day at half rate

if you work for a broker the truck owner is broker than before.

A good broker has the truck loaded 90 % of the time. Just look at ADM. 1.92 a lane mile and they say you are on your own after that

brokers have a computer cell phone and contact list

truckers have either payments or repair have to carry insurance at least $600 per month 2 trucks and trailer double that

brokers don’t pay unemployment or worksman comp because the driver wants to go home and either sprained an ankle so you pay medical bills or walks away because he is 400 miles from home by the time you find the truck it is half destroyed

most of the loads listed on this site is what they call backhaul. No such thing. Cost the same each way. Until people quit the cheap rates they will always be there

The rates should be 2.50 all miles

Replied on Tue, May 21, 2019 at 07:14 PM CST
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The cost of shipping is the cost of shipping. It is what we need to haul your freight. It needs to go to the end user and not taken away from the trucks that are hauling. Why do you think cost of fuel and groceries change. People are just gonna have to pay the cost of moving freight.
Replied on Thu, May 23, 2019 at 06:18 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: PERRY BRUBAKER
Quote: "The cost of shipping is the cost of shipping. It is what we need to haul your freight. It needs to go to the end user and not taken away from the trucks that are hauling. Why do you think cost of fuel and groceries change. People are just gonna have to pay the cost of moving freight."

Commodities SHOULD also be treated fairly, but can be disapointing and frustrating when SOME OF THESE BROKERS ONLY WANT TO PAY 2.00PM OR LESS regardless of commodity. Today spoke with a broker that wanted to pay 1.84pm for Millet on a 1250 mile haul. ND to MI. And this broker said he has been moving these loads for 2300.00. I asked what did he bid these loads at, would not answer. As far as I am concerned, this broker is a crook and should be treated as so.
Replied on Sun, May 26, 2019 at 08:53 AM CST
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Don?t bid it let it sit and move on to the next customer
Replied on Mon, May 27, 2019 at 10:15 AM CST
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King of freight. With your attitude your just another TQL. The name in itself is more than arrogant. You guys got rates all over the place, but you're never the best rate on the board. Stay out of bulk. You're in over your head in a segment you know nothing about.
Heres a novel idea. Pick a segment you might understand, not happening, but anyways, try to be knowledgeable about that. Be the best. Wow who knew right? Mega brokers don't and will never fair well in specialty freight. That's why its, drum roll, specialty freight.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Tue, May 28, 2019 at 06:35 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ROSE PFLUGER
Quote: "King of freight. With your attitude your just another TQL. The name in itself is more than arrogant. You guys got rates all over the place, but you're never the best rate on the board. Stay out of bulk. You're in over your head in a segment you know nothing about. Heres a novel idea. Pick a segment you might understand, not happening, but anyways, try to be knowledgeable about that. Be the best. Wow who knew right? Mega brokers don't and will never fair well in specialty freight. That's why its, drum roll, specialty freight. Art Pfluger "

ITs too late Art, I seen a swift truck pulling a petroleum tanker, few days later seen a JB pulling a hopper, all I could do is think to myself .. GOD help us!