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Hauling Frack Sand in a Hopper Bottom

Oct 02, 2014 at 11:02 PM CST
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Anybody on here hauling sand in their hopper bottoms? How's it working out for you?
Replied on Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 01:45 PM CST
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They are using hoppers to haul frac sand here they switched from end dumps so they can unload inside a building. It seems to be working out fine.
Replied on Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 07:07 PM CST
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Watch out for the dust.. It can contain silica, possibly giving you silicosis.. It's like what you get from asbestos..
Replied on Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 09:27 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: JEFF PEARSON
Quote: "Watch out for the dust.. It can contain silica, possibly giving you silicosis.. It's like what you get from asbestos.. "

even outside they jackknifed you over top of a real low conveyor belt unload pretty fast
Replied on Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 10:36 AM CST
Arrows Up has a bin that can be transported on a flatbed and helsp eliminate the dust issues. Our bin also allows anyone with a flatbed truck the ability to haul sand.
Replied on Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 04:43 PM CST
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What are the loading/unloading hours at both ends? any other additional information on this haul?

Replied on Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 09:29 PM CST
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How long will that job go for and is it 7 days a week?
Replied on Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 12:27 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ROB KENNY
Quote: "How long will that job go for and is it 7 days a week?"

Rob,
I'm unsure of the lengh of time the trucks will be dedicated. Also there hasn't been any wait time for the trucks for loading or dumping. However, that doesn't mean wait time couldn't happen in the future. We are not offering demuurage pay for these loads. Because of the unknown dedication time period and because there is no dummurage pay included in the rate, we are paying $42/ton for this 216 mile route which comes to $4.87/$5.05 a loaded miles for 25/26 ton payload.

Give me a call if your interested. I still need a couple trucks.

I also have great rates for pnuematics. If you have any or know of any, please send them my way.

Thanks!


Alexis K Larson, PMP
President / Owner
Cell: (701) 200-2549 Click to be added to Email Campaigns

HopperZ Inc.
3700 42ndSt S, Suite 112
Fargo, ND 58104
MC-872543
www.hopperZinc.com
Replied on Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 07:38 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: SHEDRICK FIELDS
Quote: "What are the loading/unloading hours at both ends? any other additional information on this haul? "

You can wait for 11 hrs just to unload get paid for 45000 lbs. they unload from hopper direct into sand can. Big joke then wait 4 weeks to get paid. Lotsa of excuses Haven't heard dog ate the pay check yet
Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:25 AM CST
Hello iam Matthew lembke iam looking for a used cement tank if you or any body has one please contact me thank you have a good day.


Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:37 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALEXIS LARSON
Quote: "Rob, I'm unsure of the lengh of time the trucks will be dedicated. Also there hasn't been any wait time for the trucks for loading or dumping. However, that doesn't mean wait time couldn't happen in the future. We are not offering demuurage pay for these loads. Because of the unknown dedication time period and because there is no dummurage pay included in the rate, we are paying $42/ton for this 216 mile route which comes to $4.87/$5.05 a loaded miles for 25/26 ton payload. Give me a call if your interested. I still need a couple trucks. I also have great rates for pnuematics. If you have any or know of any, please send them my way. Thanks! Alexis K Larson, PMP President / Owner Cell: (701) 200-2549 Click to be added to Email Campaigns HopperZ Inc. 3700 42ndSt S, Suite 112 Fargo, ND 58104 MC-872543 www.hopperZinc.com "

Weren't you just quoting $4.00 per mile a few posts above and now at $4.87?!?! Which rate is it?
Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 09:41 AM CST
My insurance carrier won't allow me to haul frac sand... Who are you guys insured by?
Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:23 AM CST
Originally Posted by: MATTHEW LEMBKE
Quote: "Hello iam Matthew lembke iam looking for a used cement tank if you or any body has one please contact me thank you have a good day. "

Are you looking for a pneumatic? Or a covered hopper.. They both haul cement.. You can find them on the truck paper. Watch out about buying a old used pneumatic.. As the metal gets fatigued and can and will crack on you.. Just from the pressure day in and day out of usage. Most are new.. And don't have a heart attack over the price.
Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:36 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ROCKY HONEYWELL
Quote: "My insurance carrier won't allow me to haul frac sand... Who are you guys insured by?"

Just courious.. But what is their reason why? We haul frac sand in pneumatics and as far as I know never had any problems with the insurance.
Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:43 AM CST
They say that their re-insurance treaties don't allow for it. So they can't cover it. At first thought was general liability issue but not. They were even queasy about hauling non hazardous fertilizer. It's with Northland
Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:50 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ROCKY HONEYWELL
Quote: "They say that their re-insurance treaties don't allow for it. So they can't cover it. At first thought was general liability issue but not. They were even queasy about hauling non hazardous fertilizer. It's with Northland "

Have you ever talked to OOIDA? Wonder what they are afraid of? That it contains silica?
Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:17 AM CST
FRAC
Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:19 AM CST
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Terry, I spoke with her a week ago and had the same question and here is how I understood it... Ok, keep in mind that the mileage is 216 miles oneway.... Now, her quoted rate is $42.00 a ton. So, if you haul 25 tons at $42.00 a ton then the load pays $1050.00 divided by 216 miles comes out to $4.86. The same at 26 Tons pays $1092.00 divided by 216 miles comes out to $5.05 a mile. so if that's the case then the 25 Ton payload round trip rate is $2.43 a mile and the 26 Ton payload round trip rate is $2.52 a mile. Hope that clears things up a little...

Now, I think that FRAC SAND haulers past experiences are beneficial to anyone that intends to haul this stuff.. for example I can see that it's important to determine whether or not your off loading into a storage tank or waiting to offload as they need the product. As mentioned above if you have to wait for them to offload as they need it then this ISN'T a good deal UNLESS the comapny is paying DEMURGE. If not then your sitting for long periods and NOT getting paid.. and as the guy mentioned above... an 11 Hour wait SUCKS!! I can say that these are my main questions, and I've NEVER hauled FRAC SAND.

1. Am I offloading into a storage tank or as they need the product?
2. What is the rate?.. per TON or per MILE?
3. What are the settlement terms? Are you responsible for paying me or the FRAC SAND company?
4. What are the Loading/Unloading hours on both ends?
5. What paperwork do you need before issuing payment? and how long do you process once you receive paperwork? Can I fax copies to you or do you need originals before settlement? do you offer direct deposit?
6. Is this a new shipper or have you done business with this supplier?

Now, the more and more I read about these FRAC SAND hauls I see that this may not be the thing I want to get involved with.. I've worked in the oil field before and it's time consuming.. I pulled a vacuum bottle and I was ALWAYS on the clock from the time of dispatch to the time I put the hoses back on the trailer... so I said all that to say, it seems that some FRAC SAND hauls are not that great and some are...


Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 06:00 PM CST
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If you are determined to haul sand use a broker that has a rating not some fly by night lots of FBN in ND. Go to Tuttle &tuttle or sanjel or Halliburton the brokers talk a good rate Til it is time to pay most are 4 weeks out Lots of riff raff in ND oilfield I see it everyday

Replied on Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 09:26 PM CST
Greg who would recommend for doing tanker work up there ND ? As far as the oil fields
Replied on Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:49 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: GREG BOMMELMAN
Quote: "You can wait for 11 hrs just to unload get paid for 45000 lbs. they unload from hopper direct into sand can. Big joke then wait 4 weeks to get paid. Lotsa of excuses Haven't heard dog ate the pay check yet"

I believe broker should pay within 3 weeks if you get your paperwork in on time. My opinion is if you can't afford to wait 30 days for your money you will never get ahead and are in the wrong business, I reccommend selling the truck and becoming a driver. I have drivers pulling for me with pickups worth more than the trucks that support them these are the o/o s that just won't make it.
Replied on Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:26 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DON MARGESON
Quote: "Greg who would recommend for doing tanker work up there ND ? As far as the oil fields"

Many looking for oil haulers
Great northern in kenmare
Iowa tank lines. Stanley
TNT out of Crosby
Diamond B out of plenty wood mt
Replied on Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:55 AM CST
Originally Posted by: PHIL KILICHOWSKI
Quote: "I believe broker should pay within 3 weeks if you get your paperwork in on time. My opinion is if you can't afford to wait 30 days for your money you will never get ahead and are in the wrong business, I reccommend selling the truck and becoming a driver. I have drivers pulling for me with pickups worth more than the trucks that support them these are the o/o s that just won't make it."

Is it ok to use a factoring company when starting your trucking company? I am a broker and I have alot of truckers ask for quick pay. I also hear of alot of small operations selling all their trucks. But I have some old timer truck drivers that will pile up BOL's till they have $13,000. Whats the best method, I am basically asking so new owner operaters could stay in business.

Thank you for any advice
Replied on Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 06:55 AM CST
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Your income is based on percentages so I recommend building a great relationship with your financial backer. You need to know what every $1000 cost you per day.

ie: 7% x $1000 = $70.00 / 365 days per year = .19 per day

This is a basic guide I use, remember I'm not a banker so its just a guide.

I would talk to the old timers you have and find out how they do it cause they seem to have it figured out.

Keep asking questions, there is alot of good advice on this site.

Replied on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 02:39 PM CST
I no longer need trucks for this route
Thanks,
Alexis K Larson
HopperZ Inc.
Replied on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 02:40 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALEXIS LARSON
Quote: "Rob, I'm unsure of the lengh of time the trucks will be dedicated. Also there hasn't been any wait time for the trucks for loading or dumping. However, that doesn't mean wait time couldn't happen in the future. We are not offering demuurage pay for these loads. Because of the unknown dedication time period and because there is no dummurage pay included in the rate, we are paying $42/ton for this 216 mile route which comes to $4.87/$5.05 a loaded miles for 25/26 ton payload. Give me a call if your interested. I still need a couple trucks. I also have great rates for pnuematics. If you have any or know of any, please send them my way. Thanks! Alexis K Larson, PMP President / Owner Cell: (701) 200-2549 Click to be added to Email Campaigns HopperZ Inc. 3700 42ndSt S, Suite 112 Fargo, ND 58104 MC-872543 www.hopperZinc.com "

I no longer need trucks for this route
Thanks,
Alexis K Larson
HopperZ Inc.
Replied on Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:02 AM CST
Please,Call or txt me pls (716)390-3986. Thank you!
Replied on Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 09:17 PM CST
Originally Posted by: PHIL KILICHOWSKI
Quote: "I believe broker should pay within 3 weeks if you get your paperwork in on time. My opinion is if you can't afford to wait 30 days for your money you will never get ahead and are in the wrong business, I reccommend selling the truck and becoming a driver. I have drivers pulling for me with pickups worth more than the trucks that support them these are the o/o s that just won't make it."

funny, the LAW says they're required to pay within 7 business days of reciept of invoice and proof of delivery. I can dig out the statute if I need to, but my point is nobody needs to hold on to my damn money for more than a couple days max! It's sad that there's a law on the books and yet nobody holds these bastards to it so they have basically nullified the law!


Replied on Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:45 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JUSTIN VAN DERSLICE
Quote: "funny, the LAW says they're required to pay within 7 business days of reciept of invoice and proof of delivery. I can dig out the statute if I need to, but my point is nobody needs to hold on to my damn money for more than a couple days max! It's sad that there's a law on the books and yet nobody holds these bastards to it so they have basically nullified the law! "

Welcome to deregulation..when we had the ICC the money had to be at you in 15 calendar days..not workdays..also they would have a penalty if not..now with deregulation its you get it when we get tired of it...work around the oil fields..its when the well comes in..you get paid so you could be 60-120 days out.the stupid politicians who wrote the deregulation..left out any penalty to not obeying the regulations..oops and we get to pay...just like that fuel surcharge..they don't have to pass any of it to you..another oppps..
Replied on Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:14 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JEFF PEARSON
Quote: "Welcome to deregulation..when we had the ICC the money had to be at you in 15 calendar days..not workdays..also they would have a penalty if not..now with deregulation its you get it when we get tired of it...work around the oil fields..its when the well comes in..you get paid so you could be 60-120 days out.the stupid politicians who wrote the deregulation..left out any penalty to not obeying the regulations..oops and we get to pay...just like that fuel surcharge..they don't have to pass any of it to you..another oppps.."

yeah, you're right about that. I think my point was if a broker is going to have zero invested but a fax machine a computer and a telephone line, the least they could do is pay their damn bills on time. I know there's no penalties anymore for slow payments. For me it's about principle. It's my damn money. If fuel prices start going up again and I have to wait 30 days for a check, that money is worth less than when I did the load. I've gotten to where I can pretty well be ok with waiting, I just frickin hate it. Again it's principle. As soon as I sent the invoice off, it became MY money that they're holding onto INTEREST-FREE! But then if you want to be paid ON TIME, they can do that for you for only a mere 5%. That's some crap if you ask me. If they can pay you 97% in 48 hours they can pay 100% in the same amount of time. There should be a law against that because it's nothing more than fraud if you ask me (which nobody did)!

Replied on Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 06:42 PM CST
If you don't mind, I would like to know what statute that is because I will hold anyone I haul for to that law. I am with you, don't need to hold my hard earned money.
Replied on Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 07:30 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: HOWARD RASMUSSEN
Quote: "If you don't mind, I would like to know what statute that is because I will hold anyone I haul for to that law. I am with you, don't need to hold my hard earned money."

I will get the actual statute for you tomorrow. It's printed on the bottom of my personal B.O.L's which are all in my truck!
Replied on Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 09:15 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JUSTIN VAN DERSLICE
Quote: "I will get the actual statute for you tomorrow. It's printed on the bottom of my personal B.O.L's which are all in my truck!"

Sorry it took so long to respond. I looked at my BOL's and it does not have the statute printed on the bottom. It simply says something to the effect of "per ICC regulations, freight bills must be paid within (7) Seven days upon reciept of invoice".
Sorry, I thought it had the actual statute on there but it doesn't.

Replied on Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:09 AM CST
call me at 830-854-1805 to talk about what u have posted. my name is Ramon Alonzo if i dont its because im on fon or busy doing something plez leave massage will call u back
Replied on Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:11 AM CST
how can i get intough with about what posted
Replied on Wed, May 24, 2017 at 02:24 PM CST
DO NOT HAUL FOR LARSON OR ALEX

bankruptcy. No pay. Screwed a broker out of loads
call stutsman county sheriff office. Get the facts
Replied on Thu, May 25, 2017 at 10:03 PM CST
Her and j Larson are both crooks. Call stutsman county sheriff dept in Jamestown Nd
you will get screwed big time.

Cant miss the trailers. Big letter on the side Larson. If you see them call it in they are repos
Replied on Fri, May 26, 2017 at 08:06 AM CST

Sir, I do not post much I just read and laugh and pick up on alot of good points but you nailed it when you said that if you cannot operate for a month with out pay then you are in the wrong business. I absolutely think the same thing. Get out of the business and let someone who can make it work. Like a Sargeant Major in the Army once told me "I do not like to waste my words". Ya'll have a nice day.

Replied on Fri, May 26, 2017 at 09:53 AM CST
Originally Posted by: JEFF PEARSON
Quote: "Welcome to deregulation..when we had the ICC the money had to be at you in 15 calendar days..not workdays..also they would have a penalty if not..now with deregulation its you get it when we get tired of it...work around the oil fields..its when the well comes in..you get paid so you could be 60-120 days out.the stupid politicians who wrote the deregulation..left out any penalty to not obeying the regulations..oops and we get to pay...just like that fuel surcharge..they don't have to pass any of it to you..another oppps.."

How many of you would want your children to follow in your foot steps?
Replied on Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:28 AM CST
Dear all , we can bag frac sand form hopper trucks into supersack and form there to exports containers or deistributions .
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IF interested , please contact me at 3472347275 or [email protected]
Replied on Mon, May 29, 2017 at 02:22 PM CST
Working good, just like hauling grain but better pay.
Replied on Tue, May 30, 2017 at 08:30 AM CST
Originally Posted by: MICHAEL BLACK
Quote: "Working good, just like hauling grain but better pay."

i would have to see it to believe it , all I have seen is the same or less than grain..... oh wait , i don't haul grain only bi- product but still not enough in sand from what i've seen to make me think about jumping ship.
Replied on Tue, May 30, 2017 at 08:30 AM CST
Originally Posted by: MICHAEL BLACK
Quote: "Working good, just like hauling grain but better pay."

i would have to see it to believe it , all I have seen is the same or less than grain..... oh wait , i don't haul grain only bi- product but still not enough in sand from what i've seen to make me think about jumping ship.
Replied on Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:02 AM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "i would have to see it to believe it , all I have seen is the same or less than grain..... oh wait , i don't haul grain only bi- product but still not enough in sand from what i've seen to make me think about jumping ship. "

All I know is we are making more money doing this then we was hauling wheat. But we are only running 100 miles one way @ 42 a ton and I can load 26 tons so that puts me at $1092
Replied on Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:51 PM CST
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Well all i can say is congradulations , you are the highest paid frac sand hauler in the usa , bet you maikn 4 or 5 a day and gettin 200 per hour dentention too huh ? I never saw rates that high in the peak in 2013 or 14 when they could not find enough trucks to move it all......but then of course , i would have to see hard copy proof of a 42 dollar rate on a 100 mile haul...lol
Replied on Wed, May 31, 2017 at 02:00 PM CST
Frac sand was paying good from NJ to Horseheads NY. Till the bottom fell out 2 yrs ago. Hopefully it will start up agian it was 24/7 delivery inside.
Replied on Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 02:32 PM CST
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if you have a 200 mile roundtrip haul for $42/ton, the last thing you want to do is to talk about it on here. Tomorrow it will be $32/ton or less.
Replied on Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 03:31 PM CST
I ain't sayin 42 a ton is bs , but i'ma need to see a settlement sheet and a check stub to believe it.... I've checked on 12 different sand hauls in tx. and ok , for hoppers and so far the best has been 1.70 on a round and the worst has been 1.51...... i'm doing better that hauling grain and feed ingredients.......I know there are probably some good paying huls ut there , i have just not ran across one yet , but kudos to the ones that have.

Replied on Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:24 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ROCKY HONEYWELL
Quote: "They say that their re-insurance treaties don't allow for it. So they can't cover it. At first thought was general liability issue but not. They were even queasy about hauling non hazardous fertilizer. It's with Northland "

I'm insured with Northland.

I haul fertilzier and frac sand. Both products are on the list I provided to them.. They didn't bat an eye..
Replied on Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 06:51 PM CST
Originally Posted by: RAMON ALONZO JR.
Quote: "how can i get intough with about what posted"

The job advertised in this thread is from October of 2014. They are no longer in business.
Replied on Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 06:23 PM CST
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This is a false statement.
Jared Larson
Replied on Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:15 AM CST
Working great for me, Halliburton is going to start using hoppers to haul to well site like sand box and arrow up is doing. So it's going to pick up around Oklahoma when that gets going.
Replied on Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 06:30 AM CST
Yes hauling frac sand and no issues at all
Replied on Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:31 AM CST
Where are loading and unloading
Replied on Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 07:51 AM CST
Well if they dont pass fuel charge to you that they can get in big trouble for
Replied on Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 08:47 PM CST
Interested in sand haul call me at 701 509 1705. Your out of Jamestown nd I am from Fargo where does this haul go. Vinny thanks
Replied on Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 09:47 PM CST
Hi Vinny

I was wondering where the loads were coming out of and also where they were going. I can haul 28 ton in my hopper, and I am located out of Linton, ND. You can call me at 701 851 0065

Thanks Jack
Replied on Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 07:42 PM CST
Intereted in hauling sand 2182892809
Replied on Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:57 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JOHN ALLEGRETTI
Quote: "Arrows Up has a bin that can be transported on a flatbed and helsp eliminate the dust issues. Our bin also allows anyone with a flatbed truck the ability to haul sand."

Are you guys hiring owner operators?
Replied on Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 08:20 AM CST
Rocky, What's their reason for not insuring Frac sand? Jay West East Texas
Replied on Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 08:43 AM CST
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I would like to get in to some of this loads
Replied on Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 08:43 AM CST
I would like to get in to some of this loads
Replied on Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 08:46 AM CST
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Does anyone see that this post is from 2014? Not sure how it gained life again.
Replied on Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 09:21 PM CST
U have any contact l am interest
Replied on Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:29 PM CST
I use Hallmark Insurance
I haul sand with a pneumatic.
Replied on Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 09:02 AM CST
Guys who have hauled this in the past, what companies are the end users? Are you always supplying massive producers like Halliburton etc. or are there smaller players? Do the mines up north directly contract with the end user?