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Aug 23, 2016 at 10:36 AM CST
Need some help from those with knowledge. We're a small four truck company that has to have trucks for moving our own fertilizer (we're a fertilizer company first trucking company second) but we had an old faithful blow up on us last week. Had 3 pre emmissions models, and a 2013 pete. The reason I'm asking is i've had little success with the Pete, over $17,000 in shop fees related to emission problems. So finally getting to my question with a budget of 60-90k to replace a truck would you go with a truck 12-14 model, or a pre emission model? That has had a recent rebuild, or buy cheap knowing to a rebuild down the road. Thanks in advance for the advice.
Replied on Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:59 AM CST
i wouldnt buy any kind of truck past a 2007 buy a pre emmision and save the extra money for a rebuild and if you get one that says recent overhaul but no paper work 9 out of 10 it hasnt been overhauled cause its easy to keep up with the paper work or they should be able to go back to who done the overhaul an get the paper work hope this help you out just my opinon
Replied on Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 01:25 PM CST
Mr.Andrew,
My name is Donell Ellis I have two pre emission trucks for sale now a 2007 Freightliner Columbia with a Detroit 60 engine and a 98 KW T2000 with a N-14 motor both truck are in good condition.if you are interested send me a email with your contact information to [email protected]
Replied on Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 03:22 PM CST
I have recently gone through the same mental debate. I have zero customers with trucks 2008 and newer that are happy with downtime or expenses. I'm getting another pre emission truck. The others are to risky

Art Pfluger
Replied on Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 08:44 PM CST
Hey if your looking for a good clean truck no emissions on it. Very clean well taken care of truck I just posted on the for sale add and if your interested give me a shout.
Replied on Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:25 PM CST
+ 1
Just don't buy another truck, let us come haul it for you. Lost Highway Trucking LLC
252-945-4001
Replied on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:08 AM CST
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Think about building or buying a glider with a pre-emission engine.
Replied on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:05 PM CST

Hey guys, i find theres alot of truckers on this site with emission engine problems, clogging engines, lost power, low fuel mileage, and the spending of tons of money after warranty on new truck has expired.
We've been custom tuning for years.ie:cummins, caterpillar, detroit, mercedes, paccar and now international and soon tunings for volvo \ mack engines.
The reality in the future is the governments will be mandating oems to adhere to all epa emission laws. and any new trucks coming will always have emission systems. Whats this mean to you...well, you either find a older engine and put it in a glider, which incidently ive heard rumours their going to ban that practice, or you learn to live with the emission systems ....and find you cant make a living.
OR you can call or email us. We can custom tune your engines for less downtime because of clogging engines \ dpf's etc, we'll get you more power to move your loads up the hill at the same speed you entered it, and guarantee you at least 1mpgs better than your getting now.
just saying, its your choice gentlemen. we're bending the rules, but ive been around truckers and truck shops over 44 years and i know how hard it is to make a living in this industry.cheers ... call toll free 1-855-326-8863

Replied on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 01:30 PM CST
The older truck will be lighter. The emmision trucks carrry to much other crap. Some of my 15's are alwasy in with issues, some are never in.
Replied on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 03:10 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DON JENNER
Quote: " Hey guys, i find theres alot of truckers on this site with emission engine problems, clogging engines, lost power, low fuel mileage, and the spending of tons of money after warranty on new truck has expired. We've been custom tuning for years.ie:cummins, caterpillar, detroit, mercedes, paccar and now international and soon tunings for volvo \ mack engines. The reality in the future is the governments will be mandating oems to adhere to all epa emission laws. and any new trucks coming will always have emission systems. Whats this mean to you...well, you either find a older engine and put it in a glider, which incidently ive heard rumours their going to ban that practice, or you learn to live with the emission systems ....and find you cant make a living. OR you can call or email us. We can custom tune your engines for less downtime because of clogging engines \ dpf's etc, we'll get you more power to move your loads up the hill at the same speed you entered it, and guarantee you at least 1mpgs better than your getting now. just saying, its your choice gentlemen. we're bending the rules, but ive been around truckers and truck shops over 44 years and i know how hard it is to make a living in this industry.cheers ... call toll free 1-855-326-8863"

Sir to custom tune an engine would be awesome but when I get hung somewhere because you took off my emission does that mean you will at your expense come back out and make it the way the government wants or am I on the hook for what you did for me
Replied on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 03:40 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JASON WEAST
Quote: "Sir to custom tune an engine would be awesome but when I get hung somewhere because you took off my emission does that mean you will at your expense come back out and make it the way the government wants or am I on the hook for what you did for me"

JASON...READ THIS LINE AGAIN
ITS YOUR CHOICE...WE'RE BENDING THE RULES
U CAN LIVE WITH THE PAIN OF EMISSIONS or YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION....ITS YOUR LIVELIHOOD.

Replied on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 04:14 PM CST
I thought I would ask, just curious they are starting to shut guys down for it in some states
Replied on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 04:49 PM CST
I would look into leasing a truck from Penske or Ryder. When the truck breaks down, they will get you another one. Let them deal with all the problems, you will know your costs and instead can focus on your business. Also get more than one truck when needed and return one if business slows down. Just my .02.
Replied on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:26 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JASON WEAST
Quote: "I thought I would ask, just curious they are starting to shut guys down for it in some states "

Jason you know I never like to cause controversy but people that want you to alter your truck and they aren't US residents???? Get the picture.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:54 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ROSE PFLUGER
Quote: "Jason you know I never like to cause controversy but people that want you to alter your truck and they aren't US residents???? Get the picture. Art Pfluger"

Jason ...we have 300 dealers and independent shops in the united states and 75 in canada to deal with any problems...which once tuned dont happen anyway.

GET THE PICTURE ART?....GO TO MY WEBSITE ART U MAY LEARN SOMETHING :)
Replied on Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 09:47 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ROSE PFLUGER
Quote: "Jason you know I never like to cause controversy but people that want you to alter your truck and they aren't US residents???? Get the picture. Art Pfluger"

Art, I thought I would ask, just curious. I wouldn't call anyone but you first if I was gonna alter my junk, as I have before with Scotts dad's truck, anyhoo, I would never allow my money to go north of the border
Replied on Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:25 AM CST
im pretty sure they already passed a law that if you glider a truck it has to be registered as the year of the Glider kit. im not 100% on this but i know for sure there is legislation on going about it.

Replied on Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 02:50 PM CST
Life is just getting REALLY interesting these days.. You make a statement and people tear you to shreds... You don't answer and they think your stuck up... then you've got the people that just FOLLOW all of the rules (pun intended) and NEVER do anything wrong. Personally, quite a few TUNERS reprogram the ECM and leave emissions parts intact.... they just don't work... Including those that offer DPF filter modifications... IF, and I mean IF you decide to go this route then you already know that you could be fined if they find out that you did disable these factory systems... SO WHAT!!! Personally, I'd opt for the ECM tuning. Now until DOT starts plugging your truck in at the weigh station then I'd say don't worry about these other issues... I find that the times that DOT has fined a driver or a company is when they can see that a system has been removed... (i.e EGR valve missing, DPF missing)... So, in closing, we've got to STOP nitpicking every single thing apart that people tell us... You get your ecm programmed and you get pulled over... NO!!!! the guy that flashed your ecm ain't coming!! It's your choice... the DISCLAIMER is on their website... Quite frankly, I'm tired of this emissions crap ANYWAY... Y'all have a nice day..
Replied on Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 08:22 PM CST
The only reason j ball hairs is still in bisness is becouse he is in Canada, the Epa has shut most down, not all I guess, on the truckers report website we had a modification forum, well the epa got wind of it and curtain people started getting mystrius phone calls, then the site got real nervous for some reason and deleted all of it, no more they said , they didn't want to get sued. Just ask the self proclaimed Bruce mathisen from Pittsburgh power, he got popped. Since when can the dot fine you for emmisions, I thought that was epa?

Replied on Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 08:32 PM CST
p.s. I'll ROAL COAL tell the day I die and theirs not a god damn thing anybody's ever going to do about it.....
Replied on Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 12:49 AM CST
CARB can and will plug into your ECM. Everyone better realize that like it or not these modifications are getting caught these guys are pretty educated and the fines if you get caught with a deleted system are crazy big and any delete is going to involve more than an ECM change. If I lived in certain areas I might contemplate doing something, but I sure as hell wouldn't broadcast it on an open forum.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 12:57 AM CST
Art, my junk is mechanical cat, I can tune it on the road, yes carb or epa but dot enforcing emmisions ? Never herd of that have you ?
Replied on Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 01:32 AM CST
I better back track, I read the epa is going to tax or fine you for running older non emmisions trucks every year on one of those trucking news webs
Replied on Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 02:11 PM CST
I bought cheap then rebuilt. Should have built a new glider. I would buy older all redone or build a glide while you still can. I have a 96 Peterbilt 379EXHD if interested. Redone front to rear including paint. N -14 crate engine 525hp. New idle free APU in January. To much to list. Spent almost $100,000 in the last 2 years. Asking $69,000. Ph.6414302402I have lots of pictures
Replied on Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 07:18 PM CST
I would be all over that if it had a cat and I had 70 grand, I'm shur it's worth it
Replied on Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:12 AM CST
Troy to answer your question yes I have heard of instances of people being "caught" for emission alteration. For instance a friend bought a 1980 something 2 axle 359 Pete out of California brought it to Arizona. In order to license the truck he had to purchase a emission (catalytic converter type muffler)approved muffler for $4500. I tried awhile back to buy a muffler from a shop we all know in the east. They had to decline because it wouldn't match the emission standards. Of the truck I was ordering it for. This is when I found out they had been "raided" by EPA so to speak. The amount of paranoia on the phone regarding my request was very evident. This is why a shop owner that broadcasts on a forum about deleting this stuff is just asking for a problem. But this is just my uneducated opinion. Officers in our state are being trained to stop and ticket diesel pickup owners for emission alteration.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:34 AM CST
Canada is going to include a check of the aftertreatment emoission system as part of their cvsa inspection criteria. Heard that on the Dave Nemo show about.
Replied on Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 03:30 PM CST
Andrew carroll....have owned n-14 got over 1,000,000.....i leased purchased it 93 w-900...only had 550k on it....replaced bearings nframe at a cummins dealer...couple injectors since 97'.....other non engine parts.....never shud hav parked it 2004...older is better.....now run a 08' Cascadia series 60 ..have put 11-13 k last 30 months emissions+8,k non engine/trany but still good truk....