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May 31, 2023 at 07:59 PM CST
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New here wandering what's everyone seeing out there as the average rates on hopper bottom
Replied on Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 08:44 AM CST
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Just barely enough to keep a person from qualifying for food stamps .
Replied on Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 09:43 AM CST
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Quote: "Just barely enough to keep a person from qualifying for food stamps ."

With reports from investigations stating broker/ brokers taking up to 65% of the load, we more than qualify for food stamps. Still zero transparency from brokers on load board, it's like they sign a NDA amongst themselves.

Replied on Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 12:26 PM CST
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Quote: "With reports from investigations stating broker/ brokers taking up to 65% of the load, we more than qualify for food stamps. Still zero transparency from brokers on load board, it's like they sign a NDA amongst themselves. "

Just out of curiosity, what investigations are you citing. The game hasn't changed in the last 40 years that I have been in the business. If the rate works, you take the load. If the rate doesn't work, you say no and move on. Exactly who is twisting your arm to haul cheap. As a carrier you still have the final say in whether you take the load or not.

Replied on Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 03:04 PM CST
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Just to have some fun here, who is twisting the brokers arm to keep the books closed? Having said that I believe if this transparency law becomes real rates will go up temporarily, and then Gold fever will take hold and everyone will just run out and buy more trucks, flooding the market until they drive rates back into the toilet, greed and stupidity go hand in hand.
Replied on Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 03:05 PM CST
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Then again if we flood the market more than it already is, the brokers would have to take less money also to stay in the game ? Would the brokers be willing to work 70 hours a week for $42k@ year? I think that’s where the median salary is for drivers.
Replied on Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 03:10 PM CST
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Quote: "Just to have some fun here, who is twisting the brokers arm to keep the books closed? Having said that I believe if this transparency law becomes real rates will go up temporarily, and then Gold fever will take hold and everyone will just run out and buy more trucks, flooding the market until they drive rates back into the toilet, greed and stupidity go hand in hand."

Dave have you ever walked into a broker's office and asked to see the books?

Replied on Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 09:10 PM CST
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Quote: "Dave have you ever walked into a broker's office and asked to see the books? "

As a carrier I’ve never had to because I don’t work with those kind of brokers, I know it happens because I worked in a couple shipping departments over the years and got to see what we paid the brokers, and I got to hear from the truckers what they got paid as they grumbled and left cigarette butts all over the place, I had the benefit of being on the other side of the fence before I ever started a company, so I understood the market before I jumped into it.
Replied on Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 08:25 AM CST
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Hopper rates tend to be somewhere between dry van and refer, and odds are you won't be loaded both ways. A Google search of current trucking rates will give you an idea of what to expect. Short hauls pay better per mile, but that short haul stuff is a dog eat dog world that I try to stay out of. One SHOULD have a minimum that they are willing to roll their tarp for...

I sold my hopper years ago.

Replied on Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 08:25 AM CST
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Quote: "Just to have some fun here, who is twisting the brokers arm to keep the books closed? Having said that I believe if this transparency law becomes real rates will go up temporarily, and then Gold fever will take hold and everyone will just run out and buy more trucks, flooding the market until they drive rates back into the toilet, greed and stupidity go hand in hand."

Exactly right. A free capitalist is still the best, we already have to much government interference

Replied on Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 09:53 PM CST

"I want to see your books." "I'll show you mine if you show me yours." "NNo." DAH!!!

Replied on Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 07:12 AM CST
It pays whatever the average truck will book it for
Replied on Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 07:12 AM CST
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$2.25 for ALL miles driven used to be the goal for most carriers just a couple years ago.... Now days with the ridiculous fuel, labor, and parts prices that $2.25 goal is more like $2.50 for ALL miles driven. Factors such as load distance and region of the country can tweak those numbers a bit. I hope this helps.

Replied on Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 07:13 AM CST
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What I think is sad are these trucks with headache racks mounted on the truck that have suddenly appeared out of nowhere, that are out here pulling Hopper bottoms Up and Down the roads. I think that has a percentage sign tacked on to it that takes away from the people who are out here and have invested time energy and money into the hopper bottom business, making a career out of it. The trucks with headache racks are here today, and maybe gone tomorrow or the next day. The problem is, is that while they are here they make things tougher for those of us who have been in this business for x amount of years.
Replied on Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 07:14 AM CST
And on the note about Brokers and transparency! I tend to work for the ones that I feel are upfront and forthcoming. FCFH TRANSPORTATION is one of those broker companies that I would rely on very heavily. As for what the one gentleman said in another post, no one is twisting our arm. The rate either works for you or it doesn't and if it doesn't you have the option to move on.
Replied on Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 07:14 AM CST
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Still living up to its nickname.. "The Wellfare Wagon"

Replied on Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 02:12 PM CST
Quote: "What I think is sad are these trucks with headache racks mounted on the truck that have suddenly appeared out of nowhere, that are out here pulling Hopper bottoms Up and Down the roads. I think that has a percentage sign tacked on to it that takes away from the people who are out here and have invested time energy and money into the hopper bottom business, making a career out of it. The trucks with headache racks are here today, and maybe gone tomorrow or the next day. The problem is, is that while they are here they make things tougher for those of us who have been in this business for x amount of years."

I'm just trying to figure out who leaves flatbed work to pull a hopper?

Replied on Tue, Jun 06, 2023 at 10:31 AM CST
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Quote: "$2.25 for ALL miles driven used to be the goal for most carriers just a couple years ago.... Now days with the ridiculous fuel, labor, and parts prices that $2.25 goal is more like $2.50 for ALL miles driven. Factors such as load distance and region of the country can tweak those numbers a bit. I hope this helps. "

My average is $3.46 for all miles traveled.

See the attached excel sheet.

Rev Per Hour = Time from Shipper to Consignee, less Home/Motel Time

Avg. Miles = DH and Loaded Miles

CPM = Revenue/All Miles

Drive Time = Hours from Shipper to Consignee (i.e. 25:14 is 25 hours 14 minutes - not 1/1/1900 1:14:00 AM)

$ RANK CPM = How well the trip paid per mile.

$ RANK HOURS = How well the trip paid for hours.

Replied on Tue, Jun 06, 2023 at 01:02 PM CST
Quote: "With reports from investigations stating broker/ brokers taking up to 65% of the load, we more than qualify for food stamps. Still zero transparency from brokers on load board, it's like they sign a NDA amongst themselves. "

with reports......that is not factual,,,,,please share a real instance where this happens.

Replied on Tue, Jun 06, 2023 at 01:02 PM CST
Well. I'll be in Decatur Alabama tonight 6/6/23 if anyone has a load that needs covering.
Replied on Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 06:50 AM CST
Quote: "Still living up to its nickname.. "The Wellfare Wagon""

Depending on how you define welfare, I "see" few.

Replied on Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 06:50 AM CST
Quote: " My average is $3.46 for all miles traveled. See the attached excel sheet. Rev Per Hour = Time from Shipper to Consignee, less Home/Motel Time Avg. Miles = DH and Loaded Miles CPM = Revenue/All Miles Drive Time = Hours from Shipper to Consignee (i.e. 25:14 is 25 hours 14 minutes - not 1/1/1900 1:14:00 AM) $ RANK CPM = How well the trip paid per mile. $ RANK HOURS = How well the trip paid for hours. "

Is your $3.46 all miles this year? Did you pull a hopper the whole time? I wouldn't drive in California for any amount of money.

Replied on Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 06:51 AM CST
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Quote: "I'm just trying to figure out who leaves flatbed work to pull a hopper? "

Old farts tired of dragging tarps...

Replied on Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 06:51 AM CST
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Hundreds of brokers out there. If one is only paying 35% of the total to the carrier, don't you think that some other broker would come along and poach that? You don't have to look to far to read about rates being in a freefall. Shippers are smart enough to know that, and you can be they are in feeding frenzy looking for lower rates. Not to be defending brokers, but don't get caught up in the idea that rates are still up and those dasterdly brokers are keeping it all. Time would be better spent figuring out how to survive the way things are, cause there are no easy answers...

Replied on Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 12:05 PM CST

Yes, $3.46 is for all miles; all hopper. As far as CA driving goes I have never had a problem, just take it easy in metro areas; outside that you can cruise along at whatever speed you feel comfortable.

Each state has its' own idiosyncrasies; started driving in the Bingo Card era, driven all lower 48.

Replied on Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 12:25 PM CST
Quote: "Old farts tired of dragging tarps..."

young farts too, i had a 73 year old step deck guy that would tarp right in phoenix in mid summer. couldnt understand why the young ones needed to go to flagstaff....

Replied on Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 08:45 AM CST
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If truckers would organize and stick together then we would set the rate. Shippers and brokers have a false position of power because as an industry we won't stick together. Most shippers, especially in the hopper industry, have nearly no storage. Everyone is on a JIT type system. Nobody has inventory or storage space. They depend very heavily on trucks showing up "Just In Time." They have been doing this for years, and everyone knows that the best paying load is the one that they are in a panic to get moved. We need a real organization that will make a real stand. It would take 24-48hrs of a small percentage of trucks to take power back and end this game with brokers and shippers. Just my opinion but reading through the comments it's obvious we are our own worst enemy.
Replied on Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 12:31 PM CST
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best way to band together is sit at your phone/email and say no to the loads that don't give you the margin you need.

Replied on Fri, Jun 09, 2023 at 06:53 AM CST
That's leaves the problem as it stands. Individuals independently taking stands. That has NO power or consequence. 100's saying no gets attention. But 1000's united saying no...at one time will get people listening. Farmers and truckers hold more power than anything else. The problem with both industries is that they don't think they have any power because they are too busy battling each other. And divided we stay and divide we have no power. Organized with reasonable demands will lift us all.
Replied on Fri, Jun 09, 2023 at 08:45 AM CST
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Quote: "Just to have some fun here, who is twisting the brokers arm to keep the books closed? Having said that I believe if this transparency law becomes real rates will go up temporarily, and then Gold fever will take hold and everyone will just run out and buy more trucks, flooding the market until they drive rates back into the toilet, greed and stupidity go hand in hand."

Brokers are and have been required to disclose what they have in a load upon request, no one requests it though. I get 98% of our freight direct, and times I do get offered my lanes from brokers it’s $3-5/ton less than shipper offers anyway.
Replied on Fri, Jun 09, 2023 at 12:18 PM CST
Quote: "Brokers are and have been required to disclose what they have in a load upon request, no one requests it though. I get 98% of our freight direct, and times I do get offered my lanes from brokers it’s $3-5/ton less than shipper offers anyway."

$3-$5 less a ton is a good broker. Id rather have that then direct i think!
Replied on Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 08:45 AM CST
Quote: "Yes, $3.46 is for all miles; all hopper. As far as CA driving goes I have never had a problem, just take it easy in metro areas; outside that you can cruise along at whatever speed you feel comfortable. Each state has its' own idiosyncrasies; started driving in the Bingo Card era, driven all lower 48. "

$3.46 all miles is great, but they are California miles, they are not an apples to apples comparison with basically anywhere else in the U.S. The cost of diesel is roughly $1 more a gallon than the Midwest, cost of living is far higher in California than most of the U.S, and emissions and truck age requirements are far more strict in California than ANY other state in the U.S. Basically $3.46 all miles in California would be like $2.50 all miles anywhere else....

Replied on Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 08:45 AM CST

Trucking, like most everything is what you put into it. If someone wants a day job pulling a load somewhere and deadheading home for the night, that's their business, but they won't make much. If someone puts together a loop that keeps the dead miles to a minimum & takes them X amount of days to run they will make more money.

Replied on Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 08:45 AM CST
Quote: "Just out of curiosity, what investigations are you citing. The game hasn't changed in the last 40 years that I have been in the business. If the rate works, you take the load. If the rate doesn't work, you say no and move on. Exactly who is twisting your arm to haul cheap. As a carrier you still have the final say in whether you take the load or not."

i am not being a smart a** or anything

but you guys that have been here a while do you guys feel like the younger /newer crop of truckers is taking cheap frieght more than before or has this been the way its always been ?

thanks

Replied on Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 09:13 PM CST
Quote: "$3.46 all miles is great, but they are California miles, they are not an apples to apples comparison with basically anywhere else in the U.S. The cost of diesel is roughly $1 more a gallon than the Midwest, cost of living is far higher in California than most of the U.S, and emissions and truck age requirements are far more strict in California than ANY other state in the U.S. Basically $3.46 all miles in California would be like $2.50 all miles anywhere else.... "

I've only done 6 CA loads in the last 2 years, same day delivery, 20 miles from home @ $700 I'll do that; All other work is Interstate.

Replied on Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 06:54 AM CST
Quote: "Just out of curiosity, what investigations are you citing. The game hasn't changed in the last 40 years that I have been in the business. If the rate works, you take the load. If the rate doesn't work, you say no and move on. Exactly who is twisting your arm to haul cheap. As a carrier you still have the final say in whether you take the load or not."

Not always true I've been out here 40+ years and there's alot of times I've had to take a shit paying load just to get out of somewhere or to get someplace that I can get a good or better paying load

Replied on Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 09:59 AM CST

Did you make the conscious decision to haul that cheeeeep load or was someone holding a gun to your head or twisting your arm to do it?. We all have had to do that same thing. I had to do that with one of my guys this morning because we got rained out where the good load was and took a rinky dink load to get to where we had to be tomorrow. No one forced me to do it, i did it to keep a really good run together. The point is, as an owner operator you have the power to say no and bounce or to take the cheap load to put you to a better position. You have the power to say no. No one is forcing you.

Replied on Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 10:10 AM CST

If the rate isn't enough, either it's the market or you are being suckered. Learn the difference.

Replied on Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 08:03 AM CST
Quote: "Just to have some fun here, who is twisting the brokers arm to keep the books closed? Having said that I believe if this transparency law becomes real rates will go up temporarily, and then Gold fever will take hold and everyone will just run out and buy more trucks, flooding the market until they drive rates back into the toilet, greed and stupidity go hand in hand."

You're almost correct. Rates goes up where they should. But why would a single one truck owner would risk buying another truck, with the diesel prices, insurance and other costs that comes with it. A smart operator wouldn't rush out to buy anything. As we're all going to rush to the bank and stack the $$, for long period of time . Because we know that these times will come back after the fool gold rush ends and like the gentleman said in previous post. It's sad be true & truck paper/ dealership will be overwhelmed with fancy trucks
Replied on Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 09:43 AM CST
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Quote: "If the rate isn't enough, either it's the market or you are being suckered. Learn the difference."

Absolutely correct, and I'll add if the market sucks in a certain area, don't go there. The more people that say no will change the market.

Replied on Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 10:52 AM CST
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Quote: "That's leaves the problem as it stands. Individuals independently taking stands. That has NO power or consequence. 100's saying no gets attention. But 1000's united saying no...at one time will get people listening. Farmers and truckers hold more power than anything else. The problem with both industries is that they don't think they have any power because they are too busy battling each other. And divided we stay and divide we have no power. Organized with reasonable demands will lift us all."

I disagree, every movement starts with an individual; if it's a good idea others jump in, and it grows. Just like the Bud Light debacle. The problem with trucking is everyone's idea of cheap is different, and many have no idea what their numbers are. I was in Florida last week and there was a guy in line to unload. The finance company showed up and repo'd his truck right there in front of everyone. They didn't even let him unload it. He packed his personal sh💩 and called a ride. The bar to entry in this industry is too low and there are no base level experience requirements to own your own equipment. Many people think owning their own equipment means more pay, but I'll submit if people don't have sufficient industry knowledge well beyond how to drive a truck, many times they are the problem. They are the ones who take anything offered, which drags the rates down for everyone else. Unfortunately, between them and new brokers trying to conquer the world without specific knowledge in the freight market they are trying to enter, they are likewise equally responsible for dragging rates down. A solid broker with a good truck following, and a good freight base is many times forced to compete with a new broker from the general freight market. The end result is the market gets trashed and what once was good quickly becomes a dumpster fire. Unfortunately, the ones that suffer the most are the established carriers that have been doing it right all along. Can I get an AMENNN🤷

Replied on Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 12:11 PM CST

YES SIR....AMENNNNN

Replied on Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 12:12 PM CST
Quote: "What I think is sad are these trucks with headache racks mounted on the truck that have suddenly appeared out of nowhere, that are out here pulling Hopper bottoms Up and Down the roads. I think that has a percentage sign tacked on to it that takes away from the people who are out here and have invested time energy and money into the hopper bottom business, making a career out of it. The trucks with headache racks are here today, and maybe gone tomorrow or the next day. The problem is, is that while they are here they make things tougher for those of us who have been in this business for x amount of years."

Your absolutely correct about headache racks, but then again there are some truck that have headache rack that have sold flatbed, to make a dn payment on a hopper. I know 3 guys personally have did it. 1 has said @ $3 mile he has made more take home $$, pulling 3 lds compared to 4 lds with a flatbed. Myself personally I back under a hopper in 1998 & have been with it every year since. The good/bad/ & the ugly side of it..
Replied on Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 03:31 PM CST

Why would a truck getting 'round trip money into a freight depressed area haul the cheaper load out? Because he CAN. I'm not saying they should or not. That's their call.

You decide what 'round trip money is and use that figure in this situation. Happy Friday!

Replied on Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 07:10 AM CST

Here's an article in overdrive talking about average cost for trucks in America. "Cost of trucking hit record high last year, passes $2/mile for the first time"

Replied on Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 06:50 AM CST
Everybody has their own villain when times get rough. Unfortunately, relatively free markets with few obstacles to entry are bound to be cyclical. No one is guaranteed anything any more than they are forced to haul anything. Say no to cheap freight and eventually there will be better freight. Sharpen your pencil to survive until that day comes. When it does, don’t dump your steady work for shiny high dollar newcomers. My .02. I have some direct customers but do a lot of work fir brokers and I will not vilify them as a group, as the ones I deal with are straightforward and fair and really help my business overall.
Replied on Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 09:17 AM CST
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Have you seen any industry that is required to show how much they make in profit? Are supermarkets required to show you how much they paid for the product before they put it on the shelf so you know how much they are making? Tell me an industry that is required to show their profit margins on each individual transaction. Should you be required to show how much it takes to operate your truck, then only be allowed to make a certain percentage profit? Opening brokers books do nothing. If you made more than enough to cover expenses and make enough profit on a load, does it make any difference if the broker made $1 or $1000 in profit on that load? If the rate doesn't work for you, move on. Let them not cover their loads, look bad to the customer, then have to pay more to get things moved. This argument always comes up when freight is terribly slow. Doesn't seem to come up when freight is plentiful and drivers name their prices. I was telling drivers a couple years ago, save up your money because a slowdown is coming and it's going to get bad. They scoffed at me and said they are doing just fine. Remember, after a high high, there is always a low low.

Replied on Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 07:21 AM CST
Quote: "Have you seen any industry that is required to show how much they make in profit? Are supermarkets required to show you how much they paid for the product before they put it on the shelf so you know how much they are making? Tell me an industry that is required to show their profit margins on each individual transaction. Should you be required to show how much it takes to operate your truck, then only be allowed to make a certain percentage profit? Opening brokers books do nothing. If you made more than enough to cover expenses and make enough profit on a load, does it make any difference if the broker made $1 or $1000 in profit on that load? If the rate doesn't work for you, move on. Let them not cover their loads, look bad to the customer, then have to pay more to get things moved. This argument always comes up when freight is terribly slow. Doesn't seem to come up when freight is plentiful and drivers name their prices. I was telling drivers a couple years ago, save up your money because a slowdown is coming and it's going to get bad. They scoffed at me and said they are doing just fine. Remember, after a high high, there is always a low low."

Actually it's quite common, every publicly traded company on wall street is required to open their books, the FTC oversee's it, also every real estate transaction is public record, so it's not like there is no precedent for this idea, if I were a broker opposing open books I would make the case to the carriers that right now you too could become a broker and escape the wrath of the DOT, now why would you want to screw that up for yourselves?

Replied on Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 07:56 PM CST

Actually I mispoke, the SEC oversee's the stockmarket, not the FTC, but let's put that aside for a miniute and pretend that this transperancy law for brokers is now law, is there any guarentee that the money will find it's way to the drivers pocket? And that greedy carrier's won't be skimming off the top? Remember the intended goal here is to achive retention of drivers, it's being pitched as a safety issue by FMCSA.

Replied on Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:45 PM CST
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Reading all the bickering between drivers and brokers gets old. I could care less what a broker makes. I make the decision as an O/O to take a load or leave it. All the wasted time and energy in Washington worrying about what brokers make when we have REAL problems like immigrants who cannot read English, (road signs) or people with multiple felonies operating 80,000 pound CMVs. We should be working to raise the bar of basic entry to a CDL similar to getting a HAZMAT endorsement, not worrying about what a broker makes.

Replied on Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:46 PM CST
Quote: "Have you seen any industry that is required to show how much they make in profit? Are supermarkets required to show you how much they paid for the product before they put it on the shelf so you know how much they are making? Tell me an industry that is required to show their profit margins on each individual transaction. Should you be required to show how much it takes to operate your truck, then only be allowed to make a certain percentage profit? Opening brokers books do nothing. If you made more than enough to cover expenses and make enough profit on a load, does it make any difference if the broker made $1 or $1000 in profit on that load? If the rate doesn't work for you, move on. Let them not cover their loads, look bad to the customer, then have to pay more to get things moved. This argument always comes up when freight is terribly slow. Doesn't seem to come up when freight is plentiful and drivers name their prices. I was telling drivers a couple years ago, save up your money because a slowdown is coming and it's going to get bad. They scoffed at me and said they are doing just fine. Remember, after a high high, there is always a low low."

I completely agree with you, and am not one to push the transparency issue. Like you, I have no problem when a broker makes good money, as long as I'm allowed to get my rate. If my rate is squeezed so the Broker makes his margin, or multiple brokers in the transaction likewise squeeze the profit away from the carier, I take issue. Additionally, I would add, of all the business you listed, how many allow themselves to be told what they will get paid for their product or service? Finally, regarding the "high high" portion of your statement, I submit during those times, carriers were actually able to command rates that allowed us to make a reasonable profit, making the job worthy of the effort and risk. EVERY other industry is allowed to make a profit worthy of attracting investors, and making a lucrative profit, however, in this industry, when things finally swing the carriers way, the cost is regarded as exorbitant.

Replied on Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 09:35 PM CST
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$22-24/ton for feed ingredients (wheat midds, etc) on local runs (avg. 60 miles from home). About twice that if I go farther. $90/hr for super slow delivery locations. $.17-34 per bushel on local elevator transfers. I have low overhead: trailer is paid for and trucks are used 07 and 09 Freightliners. One is paid for, one has a 1200/mo payment. Yes, I do pay myself an average of 40k a year. We do most of the repairs ourselves and the purchase of a diagnostic computer has been a lifesaver.

Replied on Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 06:58 AM CST
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Meanwhile the bar to entry keeps getting lower, 2017 volvo's with 7-800k being sold for 12k at the auction houses now, not sure if they had holes cut in the floor of the sleeper though.

Replied on Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 09:15 AM CST
Quote: "Meanwhile the bar to entry keeps getting lower, 2017 volvo's with 7-800k being sold for 12k at the auction houses now, not sure if they had holes cut in the floor of the sleeper though."

A power washer, drill, piece of aluminum, and some pop rivets. 12K seems like a bargain for a "Swedish" Peterbilt. Are they still paying six figures for a twenty four year old version of the "real deal"?

Replied on Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 01:43 PM CST
Quote: "A power washer, drill, piece of aluminum, and some pop rivets. 12K seems like a bargain for a "Swedish" Peterbilt. Are they still paying six figures for a twenty four year old version of the "real deal"?"

It seems the older ones are starting to come back down, however, it seems the new ones are still outa sight.

Replied on Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 02:41 PM CST
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$3 or more for ALL miles or keep it parked.
Replied on Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 02:41 PM CST
$3 or more for ALL miles or keep it parked.