HOS AG exemption

Jun 21, 2021 at 11:15 AM CST + 8 - 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. What if I am doing a round trip of multiple loads. If I pick up wheat here in town, then deliver it to a city that is further away than 150 but the unload 150 crosses into mine, then I don't have to log time,. But can I remain exempt if I then drive to another location and load and unload in another..... All locations 150 cross into each other. I assume I would not have to log in at all. I have a round trip thing planned. Different shippers in cities but all would be short runs and would be in the 150 of each load and unload

Replied on Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 01:11 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. The way I understand it, and I could very easily be wrong but the 150 mile HOS Exemption rule ONLY counts inside of a 150 mile radius of HOME BASE, I dont think it resets and each origination, you could easily be operating 300 miles from home by the end. I may be wrong as i do not drive myself anymore but the way i understood it was if you draw a circle around base to equal 150 miles you're exempt in that circle only. I'd call the proper brains on this subject but thought I'd give my $.02

Replied on Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 01:11 PM CST

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The way I understand it, and I could very easily be wrong but the 150 mile HOS Exemption rule ONLY counts inside of a 150 mile radius of HOME BASE, I dont think it resets and each origination, you could easily be operating 300 miles from home by the end. I may be wrong as i do not drive myself anymore but the way i understood it was if you draw a circle around base to equal 150 miles you're exempt in that circle only. I'd call the proper brains on this subject but thought I'd give my $.02

Replied on Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 02:18 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/agriculture-exemption-diagrams There is your exemption explanation along with diagrams. They changed it two years to be from the point of origin. Destination does not have its own. If you go from point A to point B and it is 200 miles you can run exempt the first 150 mils then log the last 50 miles. If you reload at point B back to point A with an exempt product then then you can run the first 150 miles on the way back exempt. You would need to log the last 50 miles. Your log book would show the last 50 miles of the first trip and unloading. Then it would be off duty again until the last 50 miles on the way home, wi5 probably am4 hour exempt window. Need to show unloading or a rest

Replied on Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 02:18 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/agriculture-exemption-diagrams

There is your exemption explanation along with diagrams.

They changed it two years to be from the point of origin. Destination does not have its own.

If you go from point A to point B and it is 200 miles you can run exempt the first 150 mils then log the last 50 miles. If you reload at point B back to point A with an exempt product then then you can run the first 150 miles on the way back exempt. You would need to log the last 50 miles. Your log book would show the last 50 miles of the first trip and unloading. Then it would be off duty again until the last 50 miles on the way home, wi5 probably am4 hour exempt window. Need to show unloading or a rest

Replied on Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 02:18 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/agriculture-exemption-diagrams

Replied on Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 02:18 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "The way I understand it, and I could very easily be wrong but the 150 mile HOS Exemption rule ONLY counts inside of a 150 mile radius of HOME BASE, I dont think it resets and each origination, you could easily be operating 300 miles from home by the end. I may be wrong as i do not drive myself anymore but the way i understood it was if you draw a circle around base to equal 150 miles you're exempt in that circle only. I'd call the proper brains on this subject but thought I'd give my $.02" No, it's where you pick the Ag Exempt Commodity at. I was Ag Exempting Sweet Potatoes in North Carolina two winters ago. Feed ingredients are still TOTALLY HOS Exempt.

Replied on Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 02:18 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "The way I understand it, and I could very easily be wrong but the 150 mile HOS Exemption rule ONLY counts inside of a 150 mile radius of HOME BASE, I dont think it resets and each origination, you could easily be operating 300 miles from home by the end. I may be wrong as i do not drive myself anymore but the way i understood it was if you draw a circle around base to equal 150 miles you're exempt in that circle only. I'd call the proper brains on this subject but thought I'd give my $.02"

No, it's where you pick the Ag Exempt Commodity at. I was Ag Exempting Sweet Potatoes in North Carolina two winters ago. Feed ingredients are still TOTALLY HOS Exempt.

Replied on Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 07:55 AM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Bulk loads has a podcast that talks about it In pretty good detail. Number 57 I think. She explains it in normal person language, not dot officer language.

Replied on Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:09 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Bulk loads has a podcast that talks about it In pretty good detail. Number 57 I think. She explains it in normal person language, not dot officer language." Just tell them you only drive your truck three times a month and hauling your own grain... NO logs what so ever.. What they gonna do execute ya?....Take it to trial by jury and you will win...

Replied on Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:09 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Bulk loads has a podcast that talks about it In pretty good detail. Number 57 I think. She explains it in normal person language, not dot officer language."

Just tell them you only drive your truck three times a month and hauling your own grain... NO logs what so ever.. What they gonna do execute ya?....Take it to trial by jury and you will win...

Replied on Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 02:02 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Just tell them you only drive your truck three times a month and hauling your own grain... NO logs what so ever.. What they gonna do execute ya?....Take it to trial by jury and you will win..." Well I guess technically you would have to have farm tags to pull off what I said..

Replied on Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 07:56 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. It is in fact based on your home terminal. A radius of your HOME terminal. It wouldn't even make sense any other way

Replied on Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 07:57 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Just tell them you only drive your truck three times a month and hauling your own grain... NO logs what so ever.. What they gonna do execute ya?....Take it to trial by jury and you will win..." I really enjoy the job that I do. But I do it as a job, I take it seriously and try to be as professional as I can because my goal is to make money. I don't farm any more ( I should probably change my company name), so this is my family's primary source of income, so I'd prefer to not lie to the dot officer about how much I drive. I might think some of the rules are dumb, but running legit is much less stressful than going the other route. Plus, people that treat the job like a hobby and push the limits on the breathing room the hos exemption gave us , as well as hauling cheap commercial freight without the proper credentials are kinda contributing to the problems in my opinion.

Replied on Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 07:57 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Just tell them you only drive your truck three times a month and hauling your own grain... NO logs what so ever.. What they gonna do execute ya?....Take it to trial by jury and you will win..."

I really enjoy the job that I do. But I do it as a job, I take it seriously and try to be as professional as I can because my goal is to make money. I don't farm any more ( I should probably change my company name), so this is my family's primary source of income, so I'd prefer to not lie to the dot officer about how much I drive. I might think some of the rules are dumb, but running legit is much less stressful than going the other route. Plus, people that treat the job like a hobby and push the limits on the breathing room the hos exemption gave us , as well as hauling cheap commercial freight without the proper credentials are kinda contributing to the problems in my opinion.

Replied on Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 08:35 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "It is in fact based on your home terminal. A radius of your HOME terminal. It wouldn't even make sense any other way" That just isn't true. It is 150 miles from the origin. A friend told me a Iowa DOT man told him you could 150 mile it clear across the country. I talked to two different FMCSA officals two years in a row regarding this during harvest. It's clear as mud and they all but admitted it. The place to be careful would be the interpretation of the officer on the scene. Somewhere here or in another thread there is a link to a FMCSA sight explaining it. The graphs on the sight were probably the best explaination. One thing the FMCSA man said sticks in my head. If your playing this way and something bad happens, they may look at you hard for say fatigued driving etc.

Replied on Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 08:35 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "It is in fact based on your home terminal. A radius of your HOME terminal. It wouldn't even make sense any other way"

That just isn't true. It is 150 miles from the origin. A friend told me a Iowa DOT man told him you could 150 mile it clear across the country. I talked to two different FMCSA officals two years in a row regarding this during harvest. It's clear as mud and they all but admitted it. The place to be careful would be the interpretation of the officer on the scene. Somewhere here or in another thread there is a link to a FMCSA sight explaining it. The graphs on the sight were probably the best explaination. One thing the FMCSA man said sticks in my head. If your playing this way and something bad happens, they may look at you hard for say fatigued driving etc.

Replied on Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 09:02 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "It is in fact based on your home terminal. A radius of your HOME terminal. It wouldn't even make sense any other way" Negative. 150 mile radius from the source. AKA where ya load . I mentioned it earlier in this thread, bulk loads podcast 57 explains it really well.

Replied on Thu, Jul 01, 2021 at 07:36 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. 150 miles from field or 150 mi from loading point if unprocessed