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{ "forumId": 40851, "postTypeId": 1, "postType": "Forum", "forumTitle": "How much does it cost a shipper to run their own equipment?", "forumContent": "I was wondering if we knew the answer to this question, in this scenario the shipper would have new equipment (assuming a hopper), run that equipment 100,000 miles (all miles) per year, and have to pay the driver/employee wages and benefits whether the truck was rolling or sitting in line.\n \n A. $1 - $1.50 per mile\n B. $1.51 - $2.00 per mile\n C. $2.01 - $2.50 per mile\n D. $2.51 - $3.00 per mile\n E. $3.01 - $3.50 per mile\n F. $3.51 - $4.00 per mile\n", "forumContentHtml": "I was wondering if we knew the answer to this question, in this scenario the shipper would have new equipment (assuming a hopper), run that equipment 100,000 miles (all miles) per year, and have to pay the driver/employee wages and benefits whether the truck was rolling or sitting in line. \r\n \r\nA. $1 - $1.50 per mile \r\nB. $1.51 - $2.00 per mile \r\nC. $2.01 - $2.50 per mile \r\nD. $2.51 - $3.00 per mile \r\nE. $3.01 - $3.50 per mile \r\nF. $3.51 - $4.00 per mile ", "thumbUrl": "", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T00:37:10Z", "lastPost": "2015-08-19T12:37:39Z", "views": 10402, "likes": 3, "dislikes": 1, "messageCount": 83, "premiumOnly": 0, "isfeatured": 0, "showInDays": -100, "showDate": "", "forumLink": "", "youtubeVideoId": "", "approved": 1, "active": 1, "alias": "how-much-does-it-cost-a-shipper-to-run-their-own-equipment", "forumUrl": "https://www.bulkloads.com/forum/how-much-does-it-cost-a-shipper-to-run-their-own-equipment/", "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "replies": [ { "replyId": 32263, "content": "E. $3.01-$3.50", "contentHtml": "E. $3.01-$3.50", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-08-15", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T01:48:45Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 15739, "firstName": "ROB", "lastName": "KENNY", "companyName": "FOXCOVER TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Dallas", "state": "TX", "userCommentCount": 35, "userLikes": 50, "userDislikes": 5, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32267, "content": "Thanks for the response\n", "contentHtml": "Thanks for the response ", "parentReplyId": 32263, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T02:07:08Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32274, "content": "I came up with $2.85 all miles. I'm probley low.", "contentHtml": "I came up with $2.85 all miles. I'm probley low. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T12:36:48Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32276, "content": "Thanks for the response, I was starting to think most thought the correct answer was A:\n \n That seems to be what a lot of drivers are hauling the stuff for, and then they wonder why they are going out of business.\n", "contentHtml": "Thanks for the response, I was starting to think most thought the correct answer was A: \r\n \r\nThat seems to be what a lot of drivers are hauling the stuff for, and then they wonder why they are going out of business. ", "parentReplyId": 32274, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T13:29:51Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32277, "content": "I had a shipper call me yesterday wanting me to haul grain from my backyard to Kansas City for a 1. 40 a mile WTF is he crazy that's my backyard I have been hauling the same product for years for no less than 2.38 per mile I hope he goes out of business", "contentHtml": "I had a shipper call me yesterday wanting me to haul grain from my backyard to Kansas City for a 1. 40 a mile WTF is he crazy that's my backyard I have been hauling the same product for years for no less than 2.38 per mile I hope he goes out of business ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-06-12", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T14:17:50Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 15182, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "WEAST", "companyName": "FAIR GROVE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fair Grove", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 608, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32279, "content": "Today must be the day for cheapskate offers. I've had 2 highrollers call today to offer $1.80 and $1.85 on hazmat pump off loads. The $1.80 load has 3 stops with no additional stop pay. What the heck is going on? \n \n \n", "contentHtml": "Today must be the day for cheapskate offers. I've had 2 highrollers call today to offer $1.80 and $1.85 on hazmat pump off loads. The $1.80 load has 3 stops with no additional stop pay. What the heck is going on? \r\n \r\n ", "parentReplyId": 32277, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-06-18", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T20:01:55Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 7792, "firstName": "JERRY", "lastName": "BECK", "companyName": "BECK BULK", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "HANKAMER", "state": "TX", "userCommentCount": 517, "userLikes": 48, "userDislikes": 5, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32280, "content": "That's for all those that think B: is the right answer, and this scenario was not even talking tankers, or haz-mat. \n", "contentHtml": "That's for all those that think B: is the right answer, and this scenario was not even talking tankers, or haz-mat. ", "parentReplyId": 32279, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T20:05:58Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32281, "content": "Yeah I thought I would throw that in to let you guys know you aren't the only ones running in to cheap ass shippers & brokers. \n \n Some shippers and all brokers don't want to hear about the cost of $5mil liability, $200k cargo, hazmat permits, workers comp, and living wages for a driver.\n \n Our drivers are worth every penny of it. If our drivers can't be at least over $50j I'll sell this junk for scrap iron and go fishing.", "contentHtml": "Yeah I thought I would throw that in to let you guys know you aren't the only ones running in to cheap ass shippers & brokers. \r\n \r\nSome shippers and all brokers don't want to hear about the cost of $5mil liability, $200k cargo, hazmat permits, workers comp, and living wages for a driver. \r\n \r\nOur drivers are worth every penny of it. If our drivers can't be at least over $50j I'll sell this junk for scrap iron and go fishing.", "parentReplyId": 32280, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-06-18", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T20:25:12Z", "likes": 3, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 7792, "firstName": "JERRY", "lastName": "BECK", "companyName": "BECK BULK", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "HANKAMER", "state": "TX", "userCommentCount": 517, "userLikes": 48, "userDislikes": 5, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32292, "content": "I've been gone on a needed family vacation to lake of ozarks. Seen family in MO and IL. My two drivers been doing there own thing. One hualing for local elevator and some lowboy work. The other took week off. Anyways get a email from broker about a load we do now and then. $1.35 a mile one way. And we have to run 100+ miles to get it. Plus washout and tolls. They wouldn't budge and nether would I.", "contentHtml": "I've been gone on a needed family vacation to lake of ozarks. Seen family in MO and IL. My two drivers been doing there own thing. One hualing for local elevator and some lowboy work. The other took week off. Anyways get a email from broker about a load we do now and then. $1.35 a mile one way. And we have to run 100+ miles to get it. Plus washout and tolls. They wouldn't budge and nether would I.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T23:36:03Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32293, "content": "Dan just ask her how many blow jobs u get with that", "contentHtml": "Dan just ask her how many blow jobs u get with that", "parentReplyId": 32281, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-06-12", "dateAdded": "2015-07-28T23:55:23Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 1, "approved": 1, "userId": 15182, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "WEAST", "companyName": "FAIR GROVE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fair Grove", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 608, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32297, "content": "Real simple about trucking rates. If the fuel is 2.85 gal then at a 1.00 permit that would be your rate but most rates should beat .50 more above the fuel. Reason cause of the cost of equipment. The best rate would be 1.00 over fuel cost . So that means at 2.85 it should really be 3.85 per mile. And the brokers the buyers the farmers need to understand not to say if you haul a thousand bushels you will be making that kind of money. Don't make truckers overload to make money. That shows how stupid most of you are. Does the broker or buyer or farmer offer paying the fines , the wait time, the lawyer fees, the csa points, and the mark against your company NO ! They don't know about that .so let them grow up and talk to their congress man feral and state Dot and get us exempt from all these rules regulations so we can make money. Or load legal and pay the proper price. That's all I got to say about this subject. Grow up !", "contentHtml": "Real simple about trucking rates. If the fuel is 2.85 gal then at a 1.00 permit that would be your rate but most rates should beat .50 more above the fuel. Reason cause of the cost of equipment. The best rate would be 1.00 over fuel cost . So that means at 2.85 it should really be 3.85 per mile. And the brokers the buyers the farmers need to understand not to say if you haul a thousand bushels you will be making that kind of money. Don't make truckers overload to make money. That shows how stupid most of you are. Does the broker or buyer or farmer offer paying the fines , the wait time, the lawyer fees, the csa points, and the mark against your company NO ! They don't know about that .so let them grow up and talk to their congress man feral and state Dot and get us exempt from all these rules regulations so we can make money. Or load legal and pay the proper price. That's all I got to say about this subject. Grow up !", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2015-01-22", "dateAdded": "2015-07-29T14:41:41Z", "likes": 4, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 43912, "firstName": "JEREMY", "lastName": "DAVIS", "companyName": "ICEWAGONLLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Chancellor", "state": "AL", "userCommentCount": 3, "userLikes": 5, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32298, "content": "I like your logic, never thought about bidding it that way, but it actually works. Nice and simple as long as the other cost remain constant, but I guess when you see those rise you could adjust your $1 to $1.5 and so on above the price of fuel.\n", "contentHtml": "I like your logic, never thought about bidding it that way, but it actually works. Nice and simple as long as the other cost remain constant, but I guess when you see those rise you could adjust your $1 to $1.5 and so on above the price of fuel. ", "parentReplyId": 32297, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-29T15:33:20Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32299, "content": "thats interesting Jeremy. Great way to quick figure. my long figures come out the same. The tuffest thing to figure is what your equipment is worth at the end of 100000 miles. (depreciation) \n", "contentHtml": "thats interesting Jeremy. Great way to quick figure. my long figures come out the same. The tuffest thing to figure is what your equipment is worth at the end of 100000 miles. (depreciation) ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2015-05-10", "dateAdded": "2015-07-29T15:56:04Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 54303, "firstName": "THAD", "lastName": "TRUMP", "companyName": "TNT TRUKN INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Kahoka", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32316, "content": "Thad, if we are bidding as if we have new equipment all the time, then depreciation will not matter, that would just increase the bottom line for the shipper, and trucker as well. I did not run my numbers after deperciation when I was charging our private fleets cost in 1996 for our delivery and warehouse service. At the end of the year the depreciation helped to offset my profits and usually allowed me to trade in a truck per year to get a new one.\n", "contentHtml": "Thad, if we are bidding as if we have new equipment all the time, then depreciation will not matter, that would just increase the bottom line for the shipper, and trucker as well. I did not run my numbers after deperciation when I was charging our private fleets cost in 1996 for our delivery and warehouse service. At the end of the year the depreciation helped to offset my profits and usually allowed me to trade in a truck per year to get a new one. ", "parentReplyId": 32299, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-30T14:33:53Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32321, "content": "Here is what a carrier made before deregulation average rate per mile: .98 adjusting for inflation it would be $3.51 average rate per mile today.\n \n The owner operator leased to him at 70% average rate per mile: .68 adjusting for inflation it would be $2.49 average rate per mile today.\n \n So we need to question ourselves why are we continually being offered rates at $.96 - $2 per mile and being told that the price of fuel going down caused the problem, or that is all that is in the load. Somebody is not being truthful and it is not I, as I have shown you the facts with this posting.\n \n There is a contraction amongst the shipper ranks to only work with their top 10 brokers.\n There is a move for capacity contracts to rule over spot contracts.\n There is a move for all the little guys to fall under subjection to the Mega's (I am pretty sure that some of you are receiving the Power Only offers hot and heavy over the past two years like I have)\n Mega Brokers are cutting rates left and right in each and every segment of our industry killing off the little Mom and Pop brokers and then in return cutting each other to the point that they only make $5 per load pushing a lot of paper. Some of these Mega-Brokers are actually bankers and real estate brokers that failed in their market and then choose to enter ours. They only care about one thing themselves, just look at their track record recently in 2008. They took their bailout money ran off and entered into an easier market for them to screw up, ours.\n \n Here is an example of that, look at this company's gross income increases since around 2008. This company had a gross increase in revenue of over 200% from 2010 - 2014. Have any of you had that increase? I am not jealous of their success, more power to them, but here is the problem. When I first started pulling for them off and on in 2010 they actually had good rates, now their rates often times are bottom of cesspool. Their agents are not on the most part knowledgeable on how a trucking operation is ran. It reminds me very much of when I was a builder and broker agents and real estate agents had to schooled by me as to whether their customer could really afford to have me build them a house. You take a look and see if you agree with my observation, and please remember that this is just my opinion, but it sure looks the same to me.\n \n http://www.tql.com/about-us/company-overview\n \n \n For those of your that want to see the inflation adjustment for yourselves here is that link.\n \n \n http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm", "contentHtml": "Here is what a carrier made before deregulation average rate per mile: .98 adjusting for inflation it would be $3.51 average rate per mile today. \r\n \r\nThe owner operator leased to him at 70% average rate per mile: .68 adjusting for inflation it would be $2.49 average rate per mile today. \r\n \r\nSo we need to question ourselves why are we continually being offered rates at $.96 - $2 per mile and being told that the price of fuel going down caused the problem, or that is all that is in the load. Somebody is not being truthful and it is not I, as I have shown you the facts with this posting. \r\n \r\nThere is a contraction amongst the shipper ranks to only work with their top 10 brokers. \r\nThere is a move for capacity contracts to rule over spot contracts. \r\nThere is a move for all the little guys to fall under subjection to the Mega's (I am pretty sure that some of you are receiving the Power Only offers hot and heavy over the past two years like I have) \r\nMega Brokers are cutting rates left and right in each and every segment of our industry killing off the little Mom and Pop brokers and then in return cutting each other to the point that they only make $5 per load pushing a lot of paper. Some of these Mega-Brokers are actually bankers and real estate brokers that failed in their market and then choose to enter ours. They only care about one thing themselves, just look at their track record recently in 2008. They took their bailout money ran off and entered into an easier market for them to screw up, ours. \r\n \r\nHere is an example of that, look at this company's gross income increases since around 2008. This company had a gross increase in revenue of over 200% from 2010 - 2014. Have any of you had that increase? I am not jealous of their success, more power to them, but here is the problem. When I first started pulling for them off and on in 2010 they actually had good rates, now their rates often times are bottom of cesspool. Their agents are not on the most part knowledgeable on how a trucking operation is ran. It reminds me very much of when I was a builder and broker agents and real estate agents had to schooled by me as to whether their customer could really afford to have me build them a house. You take a look and see if you agree with my observation, and please remember that this is just my opinion, but it sure looks the same to me. \r\n \r\nhttp://www.tql.com/about-us/company-overview \r\n \r\n \r\nFor those of your that want to see the inflation adjustment for yourselves here is that link. \r\n \r\n \r\nhttp://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-30T21:04:12Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32322, "content": "I am trying to get shorter in my information, sorry but I think this is very important for everybody to know.\n \n My dad went into trucking in 1980 when the housing market started to collapse and when he started as a greenhorn he made: .11 cpm which is equal to .32 cpm today (looks pretty close to what the greenies make today). In 1982 after two years experience he was up to .17 cpm which is equal to .42 cpm today ( wow that really looks like what most company drivers are making after two years experience today.) Is that calculator still wrong?\n \n So if the Mega-Carriers are paying these rates are we to believe that they are losing money doing so?\n \n Why are Indpendents being asked to suck it up and loose money?\n \n I made 3.00 per hr in 1985 at McDonalds which is equal to $7.01 per hr today, you mean to tell me that those working at McDonalds actually got better pay increases over the years then truckers. What is wrong with that picture?", "contentHtml": "I am trying to get shorter in my information, sorry but I think this is very important for everybody to know. \r\n \r\nMy dad went into trucking in 1980 when the housing market started to collapse and when he started as a greenhorn he made: .11 cpm which is equal to .32 cpm today (looks pretty close to what the greenies make today). In 1982 after two years experience he was up to .17 cpm which is equal to .42 cpm today ( wow that really looks like what most company drivers are making after two years experience today.) Is that calculator still wrong? \r\n \r\nSo if the Mega-Carriers are paying these rates are we to believe that they are losing money doing so? \r\n \r\nWhy are Indpendents being asked to suck it up and loose money? \r\n \r\nI made 3.00 per hr in 1985 at McDonalds which is equal to $7.01 per hr today, you mean to tell me that those working at McDonalds actually got better pay increases over the years then truckers. What is wrong with that picture?", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-30T21:58:51Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32325, "content": "So our average all mile rate should be in the $3.50 range? I like it. I can sit and wait for it. But will my drivers see the light at the end of the tunnel?", "contentHtml": "So our average all mile rate should be in the $3.50 range? I like it. I can sit and wait for it. But will my drivers see the light at the end of the tunnel?", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-07-31T01:57:33Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32326, "content": "Ok, here's the deal....we need to get in contact with multiple carriers in all states. Then, call on every load on the load board. Offer to haul the load at $3.50/mi. When they say no, hang up and call on the next one. It'd be interesting to see how many loads actually get picked up at $3.50. Scott, are you going to orchestrate this whole ordeal? Lol. I'll take my share of central ks. I bet I wouldn't land more than 1 load for 3.50. In case someone hits a honey hole and needs a bunch of loads moved at 3.50/mi don't worry I know of a guy that's got a large fleet just sitting......", "contentHtml": "Ok, here's the deal....we need to get in contact with multiple carriers in all states. Then, call on every load on the load board. Offer to haul the load at $3.50/mi. When they say no, hang up and call on the next one. It'd be interesting to see how many loads actually get picked up at $3.50. \n\nScott, are you going to orchestrate this whole ordeal? Lol. I'll take my share of central ks. I bet I wouldn't land more than 1 load for 3.50. In case someone hits a honey hole and needs a bunch of loads moved at 3.50/mi don't worry I know of a guy that's got a large fleet just sitting......", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/KELLY-WILSON-WILSON BULK TRANSPORT-14846-197443-LOGO BIG.jpg", "signUpDate": "2014-05-13", "dateAdded": "2015-07-31T02:16:59Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 14846, "firstName": "Kelly", "lastName": "Wilson", "companyName": "WILSON BULK TRANSPORT", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Abilene", "state": "KS", "userCommentCount": 75, "userLikes": 21, "userDislikes": 3, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32327, "content": "Your drivers will see the light of the tunnel when they are running less miles for more money. It takes patience when one bids in this manner, and whle a lot of you may not believe this, it is indeed the minimum that a shipper could do it for themselves. They have a hard time keeping their workers in line, imagine them trying to manage truckers when they have never driven a truck before. Would you all respect me as just a businessman, and numbers cruncher? Or do you know that I am both of those as well as a trucker who grew up the old school ways and was shocked when I came out here a few years and saw what had happened. This is not going to happen overnight, but I will tell you what if we continue down the road things are going, we will be controlled by a Mega and they will tell us what they are going to pay us to be leased onto them in a Power Only program, and a lot of you will be happy with the $1.50 - $1.85 per mile they are offering. Ask yourselves why Weiner and JB are running hoppers right now? You guys are just starting to see the degradation that the freighthaulers have been experiencing for years. We must take it back now or it will be to late in about five years.\n", "contentHtml": "Your drivers will see the light of the tunnel when they are running less miles for more money. It takes patience when one bids in this manner, and whle a lot of you may not believe this, it is indeed the minimum that a shipper could do it for themselves. They have a hard time keeping their workers in line, imagine them trying to manage truckers when they have never driven a truck before. Would you all respect me as just a businessman, and numbers cruncher? Or do you know that I am both of those as well as a trucker who grew up the old school ways and was shocked when I came out here a few years and saw what had happened. This is not going to happen overnight, but I will tell you what if we continue down the road things are going, we will be controlled by a Mega and they will tell us what they are going to pay us to be leased onto them in a Power Only program, and a lot of you will be happy with the $1.50 - $1.85 per mile they are offering. Ask yourselves why Weiner and JB are running hoppers right now? You guys are just starting to see the degradation that the freighthaulers have been experiencing for years. We must take it back now or it will be to late in about five years. ", "parentReplyId": 32325, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-31T02:35:23Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32328, "content": "Kelley, you may have to look elsewhere besides Central Ks, at this point in time. Part of the problem today is that a lot of hopper runners want to be home each and every night. That works great during harvest season when there is indeed a harvest season running strong in your area. My guys are getting ready to hook up to the hopper this weekend so we can cover another carrier's account while he goes on vacation. Once he gets back from vacation, I am sending the hopper by request to a harvest and it will stay there for 5 weeks until that customer is done. The driver will then bounce back home and take a week off, and then I will be setting him up on his next harvest gig. Not having a problem getting the money we want for the services we offer. When times are slow with the hopper my guys just run dry vans and do about whatever they want, and they are home most weekends if they choose to be. They usually take between 4 - 7 days off when they want. Seems to work out pretty good for us.\n", "contentHtml": "Kelley, you may have to look elsewhere besides Central Ks, at this point in time. Part of the problem today is that a lot of hopper runners want to be home each and every night. That works great during harvest season when there is indeed a harvest season running strong in your area. My guys are getting ready to hook up to the hopper this weekend so we can cover another carrier's account while he goes on vacation. Once he gets back from vacation, I am sending the hopper by request to a harvest and it will stay there for 5 weeks until that customer is done. The driver will then bounce back home and take a week off, and then I will be setting him up on his next harvest gig. Not having a problem getting the money we want for the services we offer. When times are slow with the hopper my guys just run dry vans and do about whatever they want, and they are home most weekends if they choose to be. They usually take between 4 - 7 days off when they want. Seems to work out pretty good for us. ", "parentReplyId": 32326, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-31T02:42:29Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32331, "content": "Is it resonable to ask to be paid for dead head miles? Some brokers/shippers act like i asked to sleep with their wife. Or i get the its $3 a mile $1 dead head and $2 loaded.", "contentHtml": "Is it resonable to ask to be paid for dead head miles? Some brokers/shippers act like i asked to sleep with their wife. Or i get the its $3 a mile $1 dead head and $2 loaded.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-07-31T15:46:48Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32332, "content": "Ask them do they have to pay for the expense of driving their car back and forth to work each way?\n \n Their car does not even cost near as much as my rigs, in cost for fuel, insurance, repairs, etc.\n \n It is not our fault their customers have business's so far from anywhere (although with the hopper that is almost everything)\n \n This is why in the older days shippers did not have a problem with paying all miles they understood this. Now they just want you to eat the bounce to pick up their product and then they want you to haul it cheap on top of that. Well I can bounce 550 miles a heck of a lot cheaper than I can pull their cheap crap. If I have to bounce than I will bounce back home and just ask for even more money to go back to that area the next time. Each time our trucks have to bounce out we keep raising the price to go back to that area. Would it not make sense to just have a standardize baseline rate to the truck no matter where it was running?\n \n By the way when the broker wants to know why you want the extra money, why don't you invite them to spend a week as a rider with you. They may just come back with a new perspective. Took a broker agent out one time, made sure I hauled DDG's each and every load, it was in August, he was so whipped after getting that DDG out that he now understood why I always wanted at least $6.00 per mile to haul it in August. Never have had another problem with that broker again offering cheap freight.\n", "contentHtml": "Ask them do they have to pay for the expense of driving their car back and forth to work each way? \r\n \r\nTheir car does not even cost near as much as my rigs, in cost for fuel, insurance, repairs, etc. \r\n \r\nIt is not our fault their customers have business's so far from anywhere (although with the hopper that is almost everything) \r\n \r\nThis is why in the older days shippers did not have a problem with paying all miles they understood this. Now they just want you to eat the bounce to pick up their product and then they want you to haul it cheap on top of that. Well I can bounce 550 miles a heck of a lot cheaper than I can pull their cheap crap. If I have to bounce than I will bounce back home and just ask for even more money to go back to that area the next time. Each time our trucks have to bounce out we keep raising the price to go back to that area. Would it not make sense to just have a standardize baseline rate to the truck no matter where it was running? \r\n \r\nBy the way when the broker wants to know why you want the extra money, why don't you invite them to spend a week as a rider with you. They may just come back with a new perspective. Took a broker agent out one time, made sure I hauled DDG's each and every load, it was in August, he was so whipped after getting that DDG out that he now understood why I always wanted at least $6.00 per mile to haul it in August. Never have had another problem with that broker again offering cheap freight. ", "parentReplyId": 32331, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-07-31T16:05:43Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32333, "content": "I've been holding out for better rates. Did get $3.40 one way on 288 miles. A load a day. Out of a major east coast city. But with 388 dead head miles on first trip and 288 on others and no time for reloads. I told them I needed $3.00 a mile on 576 miles. The shipper said no. Had 6-7 calls this morning all loads that need to get done today. The best one was $2mile on 200 miles. Total trip for my truck 570miles guy didn't get why I wouldn't jump right on it.", "contentHtml": "I've been holding out for better rates. Did get $3.40 one way on 288 miles. A load a day. Out of a major east coast city. But with 388 dead head miles on first trip and 288 on others and no time for reloads. I told them I needed $3.00 a mile on 576 miles. The shipper said no. Had 6-7 calls this morning all loads that need to get done today. The best one was $2mile on 200 miles. Total trip for my truck 570miles guy didn't get why I wouldn't jump right on it.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-07-31T18:19:18Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32334, "content": "Yeah it's pitiful. I've been getting hit with $1.70 to $1.85 today. Sad part if it is ever load has been going to BFE where there's no chance whatsoever of catching a reload.", "contentHtml": "Yeah it's pitiful. I've been getting hit with $1.70 to $1.85 today. Sad part if it is ever load has been going to BFE where there's no chance whatsoever of catching a reload.", "parentReplyId": 32333, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-06-18", "dateAdded": "2015-07-31T18:24:52Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 7792, "firstName": "JERRY", "lastName": "BECK", "companyName": "BECK BULK", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "HANKAMER", "state": "TX", "userCommentCount": 517, "userLikes": 48, "userDislikes": 5, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32357, "content": "This is why those truckers hauling for that rate will go broke. Fuel isn't the only expense to running a truck....!", "contentHtml": "This is why those truckers hauling for that rate will go broke. Fuel isn't the only expense to running a truck....!", "parentReplyId": 32276, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2015-02-06", "dateAdded": "2015-08-04T15:40:59Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 45111, "firstName": "HOWARD", "lastName": "RASMUSSEN", "companyName": "RAZZ TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Wendell", "state": "MN", "userCommentCount": 108, "userLikes": 9, "userDislikes": 2, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32360, "content": "Thanks for the response, truckers running at the rate for answer B will find themselves going broke just a little later.\n", "contentHtml": "Thanks for the response, truckers running at the rate for answer B will find themselves going broke just a little later. ", "parentReplyId": 32357, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-04T20:25:19Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32428, "content": "I SEE ALOT OF GUYS COMPLAINING ABOUT RATES AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING PAID. I SEE A LOT OF GUYS TALKING ABOUT PER MI RATES. AND ALL. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT ACTUALLY COST YOU TO OPERATE PER MILE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF PROFIT MARGINS YOU WANT AT END OF YEAR. ARE YOU PROJECTING 3-5 YRS OUT. ARE YOU WATCHING THE MARKETS FOR THE COMMODITIES YOU HAUL. DO YOU KNOW WHAT REGIONS ARE PAYING GOOD AND WHAT REGIONS ARENT. IF YOU CAN ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS. YOU WOULDNT HAVE A PROBLEM. TAKE THOSE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO YOUR BUSINESS MODEL AND SEE HOW THINGS CHANGE GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL", "contentHtml": "I SEE ALOT OF GUYS COMPLAINING ABOUT RATES AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING PAID. I SEE A LOT OF GUYS TALKING ABOUT PER MI RATES. AND ALL. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT ACTUALLY COST YOU TO OPERATE PER MILE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF PROFIT MARGINS YOU WANT AT END OF YEAR. ARE YOU PROJECTING 3-5 YRS OUT. ARE YOU WATCHING THE MARKETS FOR THE COMMODITIES YOU HAUL. DO YOU KNOW WHAT REGIONS ARE PAYING GOOD AND WHAT REGIONS ARENT. IF YOU CAN ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS. YOU WOULDNT HAVE A PROBLEM. TAKE THOSE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO YOUR BUSINESS MODEL AND SEE HOW THINGS CHANGE GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL", "parentReplyId": 32360, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-03", "dateAdded": "2015-08-07T22:54:45Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6801, "firstName": "DWAYNE", "lastName": "JENKINS", "companyName": "B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Culpeper", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32430, "content": "So what you are saying is that it gets cheaper to run a truck based upon which region or commodity is doing well. I am wondering if you believe that fuel is the major cost to operate a trucking company as well? The question was not what my or other truckers cost to operate was, but what is the shippers cost to operate. Can you answer that one for us? We would like to know from an individual that looks to own both trucks and is a broker as well.\n \n Supply and demand only kick in when there are not enough trucks to run the loads, and I believe that when the trucker oversteps his bounds and trys to stick it to the customer that they are just as greedy as the shipper and broker for not wanting to pay the trucks what they are really worth.\n \n How do you project when one of your trucks has been sitting for 24 hrs waiting to get loaded at Pilgrims in Mt. Pleasant, TX. Is that the buyers fault? No that would be the attitude that the manufacturer has towards trucks and truckers in general. Nobody going to pay for that lost time are they? My guys and I agreed that we would ride it out so we could testify to the stories that we had heard about the place. Next time we will have to ask for $1200.00 more for a load from there or we will just bounce home. That is how we handle the problem, either get paid more the next time or don't haul from that location again. You can try all the projections you want but you will not be able to account for those types of situations. I think this is what most of us have grown tired of.\n \n Being offered $1 - $2 per mile\n Being told that we are not worth paying for our time\n Being expected to still have the load to the receiver after the shipper took 24 hrs to load us\n Being told to get wash outs done (even though the previous product did not contaminate the next) without them wanting to pay for the extra miles, time, and wash out cost\n Basically being asked to do more for less\n \n Go ahead Dwayne, project those numbers for those lost revenues for the next 3-5 years and let us all know what you come up with. We will be waiting for the answer, and I will plug it into my shipper cost calculator and give a revised posting with the new rates.\n", "contentHtml": "So what you are saying is that it gets cheaper to run a truck based upon which region or commodity is doing well. I am wondering if you believe that fuel is the major cost to operate a trucking company as well? The question was not what my or other truckers cost to operate was, but what is the shippers cost to operate. Can you answer that one for us? We would like to know from an individual that looks to own both trucks and is a broker as well. \r\n \r\nSupply and demand only kick in when there are not enough trucks to run the loads, and I believe that when the trucker oversteps his bounds and trys to stick it to the customer that they are just as greedy as the shipper and broker for not wanting to pay the trucks what they are really worth. \r\n \r\nHow do you project when one of your trucks has been sitting for 24 hrs waiting to get loaded at Pilgrims in Mt. Pleasant, TX. Is that the buyers fault? No that would be the attitude that the manufacturer has towards trucks and truckers in general. Nobody going to pay for that lost time are they? My guys and I agreed that we would ride it out so we could testify to the stories that we had heard about the place. Next time we will have to ask for $1200.00 more for a load from there or we will just bounce home. That is how we handle the problem, either get paid more the next time or don't haul from that location again. You can try all the projections you want but you will not be able to account for those types of situations. I think this is what most of us have grown tired of. \r\n \r\nBeing offered $1 - $2 per mile \r\nBeing told that we are not worth paying for our time \r\nBeing expected to still have the load to the receiver after the shipper took 24 hrs to load us \r\nBeing told to get wash outs done (even though the previous product did not contaminate the next) without them wanting to pay for the extra miles, time, and wash out cost \r\nBasically being asked to do more for less \r\n \r\nGo ahead Dwayne, project those numbers for those lost revenues for the next 3-5 years and let us all know what you come up with. We will be waiting for the answer, and I will plug it into my shipper cost calculator and give a revised posting with the new rates. ", "parentReplyId": 32428, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-08T17:03:03Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32445, "content": "\n IM NOT SAYING ITS CHEAPER TO RUN YOUR TRUCK BASED ON REGION AND COMMODITY. FUEL PRICES ARE DIFFERENT IN REGIONS. COST OF GOODS SOLD IN DIFFERENT REGIONS ARENT THE SAME IN EVERY REGION SO AND SO ON. FUEL IS ONE OF THE LARGER COST TO OPERATE MY COMPANY ALONG WITH WAGES & MAINTENANCE. THEN COME TAXES INSURANCE SO ON AN SO ON. NOW FROM WHAT I HAVE READ ON THIS FORUM FUEL & MAINTENANCE IS YOUR BIGGEST COST WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING YOUR EQUIPMENT FOR THAT KIND OF RATE 1-2 PER MI. AND BEING DETAINED AT THE FOB OR RECEIVING END DOESNT MAKE THINGS BETTER. WE GET PAID FOR OUR DETENTION TIME AND ITS IN EVERY AGREEMENT WE MAKE WITH OUR CUSTOMERS. BUT WE RARELY COME ACROSS LOADS THAT HOLD US UP MORE THAN 2 HRS. I KNOW YOUR QUESTION WASNT ABOUT WHAT IT COST TRUCKERS TO OPERATE BUT WHAT IT COST SHIPPERS TO OPERATE. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT IT COST THAT SHIPPER TO OPERATE NOT BEING AN ASSHOLE. UNLESS YOU ARE IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH THAT SHIPPER WHICH YOU ARENT BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTRACTING YOUR SERVICES TO HAUL THIER GOODS WHY DOES THAT MATTER. I DO NOT A MANUFACTURE NOR DISTRIBUTE ANY PRODUCTS OF ANY KIND I PROVIDE A SERVICE SO I CANT TELL YOU WHAT IT COST A SHIPPER TO OPERATE AND I DONT THINK YOU CAN NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN TELL A SOUL WHAT IT COST ANY COMPANY THAT SHIPS ANY COMMODITY WHAT IT ACTUALLY COST THAT COMPANY TO OPERATE. AT THE END OF THIS POST I WILL GET INTO COMMODITIES AND REGIONS. BUT RIGHT NOW IM GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU POSTED AND WANT TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. NOW THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUPPLY OR DEMAND FOR THE COMMODITIES YOU HAUL. YOU ARE SAYING THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND ONLY KICKS IN WHEN THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF TRUCKS TO HAUL THE LOADS. THAT JUST MEANS THERE IS A DEMAND FOR DRIVERS. I LOOK AT THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND FOR THE COMMODITIES WE HAUL. WHEN THERE IS A LARGE SUPPLY OF A CERTAIN COMMODITY IT MEANS THAT ITS NOT SELLING AT THAT MOMENT. IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET THIS PRODUCT OFF YOUR SHELF OUT OF YOUR BINS OR WHERE EVER IT IS STORED YOU MAY HAVE TO CUT THE PRICES. IF YOU ARE CUTTING PRICES YOUR MARGINS JUST WENT DOWN. SO IN EFFECT YOUR COST OF GOODS JUST WENT UP. NOW THESE KIND OF HITS FLOW DOWN TO OTHER EXPENSES LIKE FREIGHT. SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT SHIPPER IS ASKING HIS OR HERSELF. WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET BACK ON TRACK TO OUR SPECIFIC GOAL WHICH IS HITTING THAT MARGIN THATS GOING TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THAT COMPANY TO GROW. WELL FOR EXAMPLE WE WERE PAYING 250 PER MI. WE ONLY CAN PAY 2 PER MILE ON THESE LOADS TO REACH OUR TARGET. OR THEY CAN JUST SIMPLY CONTINUE TO PAY YOU THE SAME RATE ABSORB THE LOSS AND KEEP MOVING. HOW FAMILIAR DOES THAT SOUND. ITS JUST THAT THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT IN YOUR SITUATION. NOW WHEN A COMMODITY IS IN DEMAND THERE ISNT A LARGE SUPPLY FOR IT AT THAT MOMENT. PRICES GO UP . FOR EXAMPLE STEEL. WE HAUL TO A LOT OF STEEL MILLS . WHEN THERE IS A DEMAND TO PRODUCE STEEL, ALL THE RAW MATERIALS NEEDED TO PRODUCE STEEL ARE IN DEMAND AS WELL. SCRAP FERRO ALLOYS LIME SO ON AND SO ON. THE PRICE TO PURCHASE THESE PRODUCTS GO UP THE RATE TO SHIP THESE PRODUCTS ARE GOOD AT THAT TIME OF DEMAND. NOW AS FAR AS PROJECTING LOSS TIME WE DONT HAVE TO ALL OUR CUSTOMERS KNOW THAT IF OUR EQUIPMENT SITS OVER 2 HRS WITHOUT BEING LOADED WE CHARGE $50 PER HOUR AFTER THE FIRST 2 HRS. $20 PER HOUR GOES TO THE DRIVER THE REST TO US. YOU HAVE A CHOICE IN ANYTHING YOU DO YOU CAN SIT THERE AND CONTIUE TO LOSE MONEY OR YOU CAN MOVE ON TO ANOTHER SHIPPER OR JUST BOUNCE HOME AS YOU SAY,BUT THE CHOICE IS YOURS. BUT WHEN THESE TYPE OF AGREEMENTS ARENT MADE IN THE BEGINING YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELF SO TO SPEAK. IF I WERE YOU I WOULD BILL THEM FOR DETENTION TIME ANYWAY JUST TO SEE IF THEY WILL PAY IT. WHEN THEY GET THAT INVOICE THEY WILL CALL YOU AND THATS WHEN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE CHARGING THEM. IF THEY DONT PAY YOU YOUR DETENTION TIME AND ONLY PAY YOUR FREIGHT WHAT CAN YOU DO. AND YOU CAN ACCOUNT FOR THESE TYPE OF ISSUES. ITS CALLED \"ALLOWANCE FOR DOUBTFUL ACCOUNT\". YOU PUT MONEY ASIDE FOR SITUATIONS LIKE MAINTENACE RIGHT. WELL YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR BAD DEBTS LIKE WHEN CUSTOMERS DONT PAY DETENTION TIME THAT WAS BILLED. WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOWS YOU TO DEBIT THE DOUBTFUL ACCOUNT CREDIT YOUR CASH ACCOUNT AND WRITE OFF THE BAD DEBTS AT THE END OF THE YR OR WHENEVER YOU FILE YOUR TAXES. AS FAR AS WASHOUTS GO SHIPPERS HAVE THERE RULES WE HAUL LOADS FOR A CERTAIN COMPANY NOT GOING TO MENTION THIER NAME THAT REQUIRE WASHOUT DEPENDING ONLY ON THE LAST PRODUCT HAULED. BUT THEY REPAY US FOR THOSE WASHOUT FEES. SO WHEN YOU ASK HOW CAN I PROJECT YRS DOWN THE ROAD WITH ALL THE LOST REVENUE YOURE TALKING ABOUT IS BECAUSE WE ACCOUNT FOR THEM AHEAD OF TIME. WE STRUCTURED AGREEMENTS ABOUT DETENTION TIME WASHOUTS AND ALL. WHEN YOU HAVE A COMPANY THAT YOU WANT TO GROW YOU MUST THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO COUNTER THEM BECAUSE THEY WILL COME UP. NOW TO GET TO THE COMMODITIES AND REGIONS. LIVE EXAMPLE. WE HAUL A LOT OF RAW MATERIALS TO STEEL MILLS. 1 AREA IS IN VA THE OTHER AREA IS IN MD AND ANOTHER AREA IS IN PA. THIS IS JUST A COUPLE LANES WE RUN. ALL THESE LOADS ARE GOING TO VARIOUS LOACATIONS MOSTLY TO IN. NOW THE U.S IS BROKEN INTO 5 REGIONS WHEN IT COMES TO TRUCKING. NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST, MIDWEST, SOUTHCENTRAL, AND THE WEST.MD&PA IS CONSIDERED THE NORTHEAST. WE GET GREAT RATES OUT OF THAT REGION JUST ON THE FACT OF WHAT IS COST TO JUST BE IN THAT REGION. FUEL IS WAY HIGHER EVERYTHING IS WAY HIGHER THAN THE SOUTH EAST. WE MAY SEE 320 PER MI IN THE NE AND ONLY 250 IN THE SE. WHY? THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT REGION IS FAR LESS THAT THAT OF THE NE. NOW WHEN IT COMES TO COMMODITIES AND KNOW WHAT COMMODITIES ARE IN DEMAND. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE BALTIC DRY INDEX. ON THERE YOU CAN SEE THE TONNAGE OF CERTAIN RAW MATERIALS THAT APPLY TO YOU BEING SHIPPED IN TO THE US. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. YOU CAN TELL IF THERE IS A DEMAND FOR THAT PRODUCT(S) OR NOT. YOU CAN LOOK INTO THE COMMODITIES A LITTLE DEEPER AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING ON THE MARKET BY LOOKING IN TO FUTURES WHERE THE COMMODITIES THAT WE MOSTLY HAUL ARE BEING TRADED. ITS ALL ABOUT BUYERS ND SELLERS SUPLY AND DEMAND. I DONT KNOW WHAT CALCULATOR YOU ARE USING TO CALCULATE ANYTHING BUT ITS GOING TO TAKE MORE THAT JUST A CALCULATOR TO BE SUCESSFUL IN TRUCKING. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THESE NEW COMPANIES THAT POP UP DONT REALLY KNOW WHATS GOING ON IN THE INDUSTRY. THINKING ITS COOL TO SAY ILL DO IT FOR 2 PER MILE WHEN IT ACUALLY IS COSTING THEM THAT MUCH TO OPERATE. KNOW WHAT IT COST YOU TO OPERATE. UNDERSTAND YOUR MARKET MAKE CALCULATED CHOICES. AND ADJUST WHEN NEEDED.", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tIM NOT SAYING ITS CHEAPER TO RUN YOUR TRUCK BASED ON REGION AND COMMODITY. FUEL PRICES ARE DIFFERENT IN REGIONS. COST OF GOODS SOLD IN DIFFERENT REGIONS ARENT THE SAME IN EVERY REGION SO AND SO ON. FUEL IS ONE OF THE LARGER COST TO OPERATE MY COMPANY ALONG WITH WAGES & MAINTENANCE. THEN COME TAXES INSURANCE SO ON AN SO ON. NOW FROM WHAT I HAVE READ ON THIS FORUM FUEL & MAINTENANCE IS YOUR BIGGEST COST WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING YOUR EQUIPMENT FOR THAT KIND OF RATE 1-2 PER MI. AND BEING DETAINED AT THE FOB OR RECEIVING END DOESNT MAKE THINGS BETTER. WE GET PAID FOR OUR DETENTION TIME AND ITS IN EVERY AGREEMENT WE MAKE WITH OUR CUSTOMERS. BUT WE RARELY COME ACROSS LOADS THAT HOLD US UP MORE THAN 2 HRS. I KNOW YOUR QUESTION WASNT ABOUT WHAT IT COST TRUCKERS TO OPERATE BUT WHAT IT COST SHIPPERS TO OPERATE. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT IT COST THAT SHIPPER TO OPERATE NOT BEING AN ASSHOLE. UNLESS YOU ARE IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH THAT SHIPPER WHICH YOU ARENT BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTRACTING YOUR SERVICES TO HAUL THIER GOODS WHY DOES THAT MATTER. I DO NOT A MANUFACTURE NOR DISTRIBUTE ANY PRODUCTS OF ANY KIND I PROVIDE A SERVICE SO I CANT TELL YOU WHAT IT COST A SHIPPER TO OPERATE AND I DONT THINK YOU CAN NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN TELL A SOUL WHAT IT COST ANY COMPANY THAT SHIPS ANY COMMODITY WHAT IT ACTUALLY COST THAT COMPANY TO OPERATE. AT THE END OF THIS POST I WILL GET INTO COMMODITIES AND REGIONS. BUT RIGHT NOW IM GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU POSTED AND WANT TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. NOW THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUPPLY OR DEMAND FOR THE COMMODITIES YOU HAUL. YOU ARE SAYING THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND ONLY KICKS IN WHEN THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF TRUCKS TO HAUL THE LOADS. THAT JUST MEANS THERE IS A DEMAND FOR DRIVERS. I LOOK AT THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND FOR THE COMMODITIES WE HAUL. WHEN THERE IS A LARGE SUPPLY OF A CERTAIN COMMODITY IT MEANS THAT ITS NOT SELLING AT THAT MOMENT. IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET THIS PRODUCT OFF YOUR SHELF OUT OF YOUR BINS OR WHERE EVER IT IS STORED YOU MAY HAVE TO CUT THE PRICES. IF YOU ARE CUTTING PRICES YOUR MARGINS JUST WENT DOWN. SO IN EFFECT YOUR COST OF GOODS JUST WENT UP. NOW THESE KIND OF HITS FLOW DOWN TO OTHER EXPENSES LIKE FREIGHT. SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT SHIPPER IS ASKING HIS OR HERSELF. WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET BACK ON TRACK TO OUR SPECIFIC GOAL WHICH IS HITTING THAT MARGIN THATS GOING TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THAT COMPANY TO GROW. WELL FOR EXAMPLE WE WERE PAYING 250 PER MI. WE ONLY CAN PAY 2 PER MILE ON THESE LOADS TO REACH OUR TARGET. OR THEY CAN JUST SIMPLY CONTINUE TO PAY YOU THE SAME RATE ABSORB THE LOSS AND KEEP MOVING. HOW FAMILIAR DOES THAT SOUND. ITS JUST THAT THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT IN YOUR SITUATION. NOW WHEN A COMMODITY IS IN DEMAND THERE ISNT A LARGE SUPPLY FOR IT AT THAT MOMENT. PRICES GO UP . FOR EXAMPLE STEEL. WE HAUL TO A LOT OF STEEL MILLS . WHEN THERE IS A DEMAND TO PRODUCE STEEL, ALL THE RAW MATERIALS NEEDED TO PRODUCE STEEL ARE IN DEMAND AS WELL. SCRAP FERRO ALLOYS LIME SO ON AND SO ON. THE PRICE TO PURCHASE THESE PRODUCTS GO UP THE RATE TO SHIP THESE PRODUCTS ARE GOOD AT THAT TIME OF DEMAND. NOW AS FAR AS PROJECTING LOSS TIME WE DONT HAVE TO ALL OUR CUSTOMERS KNOW THAT IF OUR EQUIPMENT SITS OVER 2 HRS WITHOUT BEING LOADED WE CHARGE $50 PER HOUR AFTER THE FIRST 2 HRS. $20 PER HOUR GOES TO THE DRIVER THE REST TO US. YOU HAVE A CHOICE IN ANYTHING YOU DO YOU CAN SIT THERE AND CONTIUE TO LOSE MONEY OR YOU CAN MOVE ON TO ANOTHER SHIPPER OR JUST BOUNCE HOME AS YOU SAY,BUT THE CHOICE IS YOURS. BUT WHEN THESE TYPE OF AGREEMENTS ARENT MADE IN THE BEGINING YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELF SO TO SPEAK. IF I WERE YOU I WOULD BILL THEM FOR DETENTION TIME ANYWAY JUST TO SEE IF THEY WILL PAY IT. WHEN THEY GET THAT INVOICE THEY WILL CALL YOU AND THATS WHEN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE CHARGING THEM. IF THEY DONT PAY YOU YOUR DETENTION TIME AND ONLY PAY YOUR FREIGHT WHAT CAN YOU DO. AND YOU CAN ACCOUNT FOR THESE TYPE OF ISSUES. ITS CALLED "ALLOWANCE FOR DOUBTFUL ACCOUNT". YOU PUT MONEY ASIDE FOR SITUATIONS LIKE MAINTENACE RIGHT. WELL YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR BAD DEBTS LIKE WHEN CUSTOMERS DONT PAY DETENTION TIME THAT WAS BILLED. WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOWS YOU TO DEBIT THE DOUBTFUL ACCOUNT CREDIT YOUR CASH ACCOUNT AND WRITE OFF THE BAD DEBTS AT THE END OF THE YR OR WHENEVER YOU FILE YOUR TAXES. AS FAR AS WASHOUTS GO SHIPPERS HAVE THERE RULES WE HAUL LOADS FOR A CERTAIN COMPANY NOT GOING TO MENTION THIER NAME THAT REQUIRE WASHOUT DEPENDING ONLY ON THE LAST PRODUCT HAULED. BUT THEY REPAY US FOR THOSE WASHOUT FEES. SO WHEN YOU ASK HOW CAN I PROJECT YRS DOWN THE ROAD WITH ALL THE LOST REVENUE YOURE TALKING ABOUT IS BECAUSE WE ACCOUNT FOR THEM AHEAD OF TIME. WE STRUCTURED AGREEMENTS ABOUT DETENTION TIME WASHOUTS AND ALL. WHEN YOU HAVE A COMPANY THAT YOU WANT TO GROW YOU MUST THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO COUNTER THEM BECAUSE THEY WILL COME UP. NOW TO GET TO THE COMMODITIES AND REGIONS. LIVE EXAMPLE. WE HAUL A LOT OF RAW MATERIALS TO STEEL MILLS. 1 AREA IS IN VA THE OTHER AREA IS IN MD AND ANOTHER AREA IS IN PA. THIS IS JUST A COUPLE LANES WE RUN. ALL THESE LOADS ARE GOING TO VARIOUS LOACATIONS MOSTLY TO IN. NOW THE U.S IS BROKEN INTO 5 REGIONS WHEN IT COMES TO TRUCKING. NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST, MIDWEST, SOUTHCENTRAL, AND THE WEST.MD&PA IS CONSIDERED THE NORTHEAST. WE GET GREAT RATES OUT OF THAT REGION JUST ON THE FACT OF WHAT IS COST TO JUST BE IN THAT REGION. FUEL IS WAY HIGHER EVERYTHING IS WAY HIGHER THAN THE SOUTH EAST. WE MAY SEE 320 PER MI IN THE NE AND ONLY 250 IN THE SE. WHY? THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT REGION IS FAR LESS THAT THAT OF THE NE. NOW WHEN IT COMES TO COMMODITIES AND KNOW WHAT COMMODITIES ARE IN DEMAND. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE BALTIC DRY INDEX. ON THERE YOU CAN SEE THE TONNAGE OF CERTAIN RAW MATERIALS THAT APPLY TO YOU BEING SHIPPED IN TO THE US. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. YOU CAN TELL IF THERE IS A DEMAND FOR THAT PRODUCT(S) OR NOT. YOU CAN LOOK INTO THE COMMODITIES A LITTLE DEEPER AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING ON THE MARKET BY LOOKING IN TO FUTURES WHERE THE COMMODITIES THAT WE MOSTLY HAUL ARE BEING TRADED. ITS ALL ABOUT BUYERS ND SELLERS SUPLY AND DEMAND. I DONT KNOW WHAT CALCULATOR YOU ARE USING TO CALCULATE ANYTHING BUT ITS GOING TO TAKE MORE THAT JUST A CALCULATOR TO BE SUCESSFUL IN TRUCKING. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THESE NEW COMPANIES THAT POP UP DONT REALLY KNOW WHATS GOING ON IN THE INDUSTRY. THINKING ITS COOL TO SAY ILL DO IT FOR 2 PER MILE WHEN IT ACUALLY IS COSTING THEM THAT MUCH TO OPERATE. KNOW WHAT IT COST YOU TO OPERATE. UNDERSTAND YOUR MARKET MAKE CALCULATED CHOICES. AND ADJUST WHEN NEEDED.", "parentReplyId": 32430, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-03", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T01:15:47Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6801, "firstName": "DWAYNE", "lastName": "JENKINS", "companyName": "B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Culpeper", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32446, "content": "EXCUSE ANY MISPELLING TYPING A LITTLE FAST. BUT JUST CURIOUS HOW MUCH DOES IT COST YOU TO OPERATE.", "contentHtml": "EXCUSE ANY MISPELLING TYPING A LITTLE FAST. BUT JUST CURIOUS HOW MUCH DOES IT COST YOU TO OPERATE.", "parentReplyId": 32445, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-03", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T01:33:52Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6801, "firstName": "DWAYNE", "lastName": "JENKINS", "companyName": "B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Culpeper", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32447, "content": "How much deos it cost you to operate????", "contentHtml": "How much deos it cost you to operate????", "parentReplyId": 32446, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-01-29", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T02:24:07Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 9967, "firstName": "T", "lastName": "J", "companyName": "BONJO ENTERPRISES LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "North Platte", "state": "NE", "userCommentCount": 261, "userLikes": 32, "userDislikes": 13, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32448, "content": "\n Dwayne I would like to thank you for taking the time to write this, I realize that a lot of your personal feelings went into this response, but you never answered the question I asked you, so in return I am going to answer yours. \n Your question to me was: \n \"MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT IT COST THAT SHIPPER TO OPERATE NOT BEING AN ASSHOLE. UNLESS YOU ARE IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH THAT SHIPPER WHICH YOU ARENT BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTRACTING YOUR SERVICES TO HAUL THIER GOODS WHY DOES THAT MATTER.\" \n In order for you to properly bid your freight without cutting another trucker or broker, you must indeed know what the shipper could do the job for themselves. Many truckers and brokers are going at this the wrong way and then they wonder why the rates are dropping. Fuel is actually the smallest cost of operating our rigs. Just take the fuel out of the equation and then look at what the cost to operate is. You will then realize what I am trying to say to everybody. When the shippers and brokers use the price of fuel as an excuse, well if you take that out of the equation you will find that is a BS excuse real fast. \n If you know what the shipper's cost would be, then the only thing you have to beat is their cost to do it themselves. Do you understand now?", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tDwayne I would like to thank you for taking the time to write this, I realize that a lot of your personal feelings went into this response, but you never answered the question I asked you, so in return I am going to answer yours.\r\n\r\n\tYour question to me was:\r\n\r\n\t"MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT IT COST THAT SHIPPER TO OPERATE NOT BEING AN ASSHOLE. UNLESS YOU ARE IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH THAT SHIPPER WHICH YOU ARENT BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTRACTING YOUR SERVICES TO HAUL THIER GOODS WHY DOES THAT MATTER."\r\n\r\n\tIn order for you to properly bid your freight without cutting another trucker or broker, you must indeed know what the shipper could do the job for themselves. Many truckers and brokers are going at this the wrong way and then they wonder why the rates are dropping. Fuel is actually the smallest cost of operating our rigs. Just take the fuel out of the equation and then look at what the cost to operate is. You will then realize what I am trying to say to everybody. When the shippers and brokers use the price of fuel as an excuse, well if you take that out of the equation you will find that is a BS excuse real fast.\r\n\r\n\tIf you know what the shipper's cost would be, then the only thing you have to beat is their cost to do it themselves. Do you understand now?", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T04:46:40Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32449, "content": "\n Dwayne here is point two: Supply and demand do not dictate as to my equipment moving any cheaper, we make sure that we have enough money to deadhead home vs taking the cheap freight, thereby leaving it behind. The shipper will come up on their price when they can't find a truck to move the load, whenever we are rolling into a poophole for freight we charge enough to pay for the bounce home or we won't go there in the first place.", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tDwayne here is point two: Supply and demand do not dictate as to my equipment moving any cheaper, we make sure that we have enough money to deadhead home vs taking the cheap freight, thereby leaving it behind. The shipper will come up on their price when they can't find a truck to move the load, whenever we are rolling into a poophole for freight we charge enough to pay for the bounce home or we won't go there in the first place.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T04:57:17Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32450, "content": "\n Point three: \n Your statement was: \n I DO NOT A MANUFACTURE NOR DISTRIBUTE ANY PRODUCTS OF ANY KIND I PROVIDE A SERVICE SO I CANT TELL YOU WHAT IT COST A SHIPPER TO OPERATE AND I DONT THINK YOU CAN NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN TELL A SOUL WHAT IT COST ANY COMPANY THAT SHIPS ANY COMMODITY WHAT IT ACTUALLY COST THAT COMPANY TO OPERATE \n I can pretty much assure you that with proper mathmatics one can indeed figure out what the cost for the shipper would be to have their own equipment, their own drivers, their own dispatch, their own insurance, their own fuel cost, maintenance cost, and so on. I gave the example of the word problem at the beginning of the post. I don't expect everbody to really know the answer, but for you to act just because you don't know the answer does not mean that I don't, that is pretty presumptuous of you don't you think? \n You see I used to be the shipper back in 1996, or maybe you have not read any of my other post. I used to be the broker, but you most likely did not know that as well. I indeed do know what it would cost a shipper to run their freight on their trucks. Answer, a lot more than they are currently paying us to do so.", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tPoint three:\r\n\r\n\tYour statement was:\r\n\r\n\tI DO NOT A MANUFACTURE NOR DISTRIBUTE ANY PRODUCTS OF ANY KIND I PROVIDE A SERVICE SO I CANT TELL YOU WHAT IT COST A SHIPPER TO OPERATE AND I DONT THINK YOU CAN NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN TELL A SOUL WHAT IT COST ANY COMPANY THAT SHIPS ANY COMMODITY WHAT IT ACTUALLY COST THAT COMPANY TO OPERATE\r\n\r\n\tI can pretty much assure you that with proper mathmatics one can indeed figure out what the cost for the shipper would be to have their own equipment, their own drivers, their own dispatch, their own insurance, their own fuel cost, maintenance cost, and so on. I gave the example of the word problem at the beginning of the post. I don't expect everbody to really know the answer, but for you to act just because you don't know the answer does not mean that I don't, that is pretty presumptuous of you don't you think?\r\n\r\n\tYou see I used to be the shipper back in 1996, or maybe you have not read any of my other post. I used to be the broker, but you most likely did not know that as well. I indeed do know what it would cost a shipper to run their freight on their trucks. Answer, a lot more than they are currently paying us to do so.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T05:05:10Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32451, "content": "\n Point 4: \n Dwayne you said: \n AT THE END OF THIS POST I WILL GET INTO COMMODITIES AND REGIONS. BUT RIGHT NOW IM GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU POSTED AND WANT TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. NOW THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUPPLY OR DEMAND FOR THE COMMODITIES YOU HAUL. YOU ARE SAYING THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND ONLY KICKS IN WHEN THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF TRUCKS TO HAUL THE LOADS. THAT JUST MEANS THERE IS A DEMAND FOR DRIVERS. I LOOK AT THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND FOR THE COMMODITIES WE HAUL. WHEN THERE IS A LARGE SUPPLY OF A CERTAIN COMMODITY IT MEANS THAT ITS NOT SELLING AT THAT MOMENT. IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET THIS PRODUCT OFF YOUR SHELF OUT OF YOUR BINS OR WHERE EVER IT IS STORED YOU MAY HAVE TO CUT THE PRICES. IF YOU ARE CUTTING PRICES YOUR MARGINS JUST WENT DOWN. SO IN EFFECT YOUR COST OF GOODS JUST WENT UP. NOW THESE KIND OF HITS FLOW DOWN TO OTHER EXPENSES LIKE FREIGHT. SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT SHIPPER IS ASKING HIS OR HERSELF. WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET BACK ON TRACK TO OUR SPECIFIC GOAL WHICH IS HITTING THAT MARGIN THATS GOING TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THAT COMPANY TO GROW. WELL FOR EXAMPLE WE WERE PAYING 250 PER MI. WE ONLY CAN PAY 2 PER MILE ON THESE LOADS TO REACH OUR TARGET. OR THEY CAN JUST SIMPLY CONTINUE TO PAY YOU THE SAME RATE ABSORB THE LOSS AND KEEP MOVING. HOW FAMILIAR DOES THAT SOUND. ITS JUST THAT THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT IN YOUR SITUATION. NOW WHEN A COMMODITY IS IN DEMAND THERE ISNT A LARGE SUPPLY FOR IT AT THAT MOMENT. PRICES GO UP \n \n I am going to answer your question with few questions of my own. \n Would the shipper have to absorb their cost to operate their equipment regardless of the market value of their widgets? \n Why do they expect us to eat it for them when they made the mistake? \n Why are these supposed hurting shippers and brokers posting all time profits this year? \n Are you saying it is ok to lower your price because of their failure to manage their supply and demand? \n How does that once again reflect the supply and demand and cost of what it takes to move product on their own truck?", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tPoint 4:\r\n\r\n\tDwayne you said:\r\n\r\n\tAT THE END OF THIS POST I WILL GET INTO COMMODITIES AND REGIONS. BUT RIGHT NOW IM GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU POSTED AND WANT TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. NOW THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUPPLY OR DEMAND FOR THE COMMODITIES YOU HAUL. YOU ARE SAYING THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND ONLY KICKS IN WHEN THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF TRUCKS TO HAUL THE LOADS. THAT JUST MEANS THERE IS A DEMAND FOR DRIVERS. I LOOK AT THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND FOR THE COMMODITIES WE HAUL. WHEN THERE IS A LARGE SUPPLY OF A CERTAIN COMMODITY IT MEANS THAT ITS NOT SELLING AT THAT MOMENT. IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET THIS PRODUCT OFF YOUR SHELF OUT OF YOUR BINS OR WHERE EVER IT IS STORED YOU MAY HAVE TO CUT THE PRICES. IF YOU ARE CUTTING PRICES YOUR MARGINS JUST WENT DOWN. SO IN EFFECT YOUR COST OF GOODS JUST WENT UP. NOW THESE KIND OF HITS FLOW DOWN TO OTHER EXPENSES LIKE FREIGHT. SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT SHIPPER IS ASKING HIS OR HERSELF. WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET BACK ON TRACK TO OUR SPECIFIC GOAL WHICH IS HITTING THAT MARGIN THATS GOING TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THAT COMPANY TO GROW. WELL FOR EXAMPLE WE WERE PAYING 250 PER MI. WE ONLY CAN PAY 2 PER MILE ON THESE LOADS TO REACH OUR TARGET. OR THEY CAN JUST SIMPLY CONTINUE TO PAY YOU THE SAME RATE ABSORB THE LOSS AND KEEP MOVING. HOW FAMILIAR DOES THAT SOUND. ITS JUST THAT THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT IN YOUR SITUATION. NOW WHEN A COMMODITY IS IN DEMAND THERE ISNT A LARGE SUPPLY FOR IT AT THAT MOMENT. PRICES GO UP\r\n\r\n\t \r\n\r\n\tI am going to answer your question with few questions of my own.\r\n\r\n\tWould the shipper have to absorb their cost to operate their equipment regardless of the market value of their widgets?\r\n\r\n\tWhy do they expect us to eat it for them when they made the mistake?\r\n\r\n\tWhy are these supposed hurting shippers and brokers posting all time profits this year?\r\n\r\n\tAre you saying it is ok to lower your price because of their failure to manage their supply and demand?\r\n\r\n\tHow does that once again reflect the supply and demand and cost of what it takes to move product on their own truck?", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T05:22:10Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32452, "content": "\n Point 5: \n Dwayne you said: \n IF I WERE YOU I WOULD BILL THEM FOR DETENTION TIME ANYWAY JUST TO SEE IF THEY WILL PAY IT. WHEN THEY GET THAT INVOICE THEY WILL CALL YOU AND THATS WHEN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE CHARGING THEM. IF THEY DONT PAY YOU YOUR DETENTION TIME AND ONLY PAY YOUR FREIGHT WHAT CAN YOU DO \n The purpose of posting the shipper wall of shame is to let others know when those shipper do not hold up to their end of the bargin. Don't you know that bad news travels faster then good news. It is a waste of time and paper to try and collect from a Mega-Shipper that believes that the world should bow down to them. All of us that have been around the game know this, and my guys agreed to go into this shipper with a full understanding of what I was asking them to do. They were finding out if the rumours that others had stated were indeed true. You see my company has a reputation for being one of integrity and if we state the facts then they are indeed true and validated. We are not concerned about the detention on this one load, because the next time we are asked to go into Mt. Pleasant we will be asking for $2400.00 on top of the rate per mile. I realize that you do not understand my mercenary concept and most likely don't care for it as well. It has worked very well for us and we most generally don't have any problems getting good freight from good shippers for our trucks. I must be doing something right with all the phone calls and emails I receive each day wanting one of our trucks for a specific mission.", "contentHtml": "\r\n\tPoint 5:\r\n\r\n\tDwayne you said:\r\n\r\n\tIF I WERE YOU I WOULD BILL THEM FOR DETENTION TIME ANYWAY JUST TO SEE IF THEY WILL PAY IT. WHEN THEY GET THAT INVOICE THEY WILL CALL YOU AND THATS WHEN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE CHARGING THEM. IF THEY DONT PAY YOU YOUR DETENTION TIME AND ONLY PAY YOUR FREIGHT WHAT CAN YOU DO\r\n\r\n\tThe purpose of posting the shipper wall of shame is to let others know when those shipper do not hold up to their end of the bargin. Don't you know that bad news travels faster then good news. It is a waste of time and paper to try and collect from a Mega-Shipper that believes that the world should bow down to them. All of us that have been around the game know this, and my guys agreed to go into this shipper with a full understanding of what I was asking them to do. They were finding out if the rumours that others had stated were indeed true. You see my company has a reputation for being one of integrity and if we state the facts then they are indeed true and validated. We are not concerned about the detention on this one load, because the next time we are asked to go into Mt. Pleasant we will be asking for $2400.00 on top of the rate per mile. I realize that you do not understand my mercenary concept and most likely don't care for it as well. It has worked very well for us and we most generally don't have any problems getting good freight from good shippers for our trucks. I must be doing something right with all the phone calls and emails I receive each day wanting one of our trucks for a specific mission.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T05:33:04Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32453, "content": "Point 6:\n \n Dwayne you said:\n \n \n KNOW WHAT IT COST YOU TO OPERATE. UNDERSTAND YOUR MARKET MAKE CALCULATED CHOICES. AND ADJUST WHEN NEEDED.\n \n I am going to agree with you on that one there, but add you need to know what the shippers cost would be as well so you are not leaving any salad on the table, unless you don't like salad.", "contentHtml": "Point 6: \r\n \r\nDwayne you said: \r\n \r\n\r\n\tKNOW WHAT IT COST YOU TO OPERATE. UNDERSTAND YOUR MARKET MAKE CALCULATED CHOICES. AND ADJUST WHEN NEEDED. \r\n\t \r\n\tI am going to agree with you on that one there, but add you need to know what the shippers cost would be as well so you are not leaving any salad on the table, unless you don't like salad.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T05:38:06Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32454, "content": "I am going to answer this one like this. First of all you talk like you are a trucker but you post this for your company information:\n \n \n COMPANY: B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION) \n TYPE: CARRIER,SHIPPER,BROKER \n MC #: 820246 \n USDOT #: 2386781 \n \n I went the safer and ran you MC# but see no mention of you having brokers authority. Maybe you are running that under a different name like my wife and I used to do. But it is you that is holding yourself out to be a carrier, shipper, and broker. I don't know which one to believe. Are you a new carrier that really needs help understanding his numbers better? Are you a shipper that does not even know what it cost him to run one truck? Are you a broker that is fishing for truckers rates so you can try and gouge my fellow truckers? \n \n Sir, I ask which one are you? We would all like to know, so before I share anymore information with you I will once again state it does not matter what my cost to run is but only what the shippers cost. If you wish to continue to banter with me, I politely ask that you turn off your CAPS. In internet world that means that you are yelling at me. Maybe that is what you were doing yelling at me, calling me stupid, acting like an individual from podunk Peculiar, Missouri could not even begin to reason how trucking or the market works.\n \n Now if this commentary that you posted were to come from Art, Jeff, Rob, Jason, Arnie, Jerry, Daniel, and mutiple others that have been at it longer than me. I would have respected and welcomed their input. But to have an individual that has been at it less time than myself act like I can't even program in a program as simple as Excel, well that is laughable at best.\n \n I am glad that you posted your commentary because you allowed me to point out the many points that I have been wanting to get the others to understand as well. Welcome aboard fellow longwinded poster.\n", "contentHtml": "I am going to answer this one like this. First of all you talk like you are a trucker but you post this for your company information: \r\n \r\n<table width=\"100%\">\r\n\t<tbody>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t\t<th>\r\n\t\t\t\tCOMPANY:</th>\r\n\t\t\t<td>\r\n\t\t\t\tB.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)</td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t\t<th>\r\n\t\t\t\tTYPE:</th>\r\n\t\t\t<td>\r\n\t\t\t\tCARRIER,SHIPPER,BROKER</td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t\t<th>\r\n\t\t\t\tMC #:</th>\r\n\t\t\t<td>\r\n\t\t\t\t820246</td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t\t<tr>\r\n\t\t\t<th>\r\n\t\t\t\tUSDOT #:</th>\r\n\t\t\t<td>\r\n\t\t\t\t2386781</td>\r\n\t\t</tr>\r\n\t</tbody>\r\n</table>\r\n \r\n \r\nI went the safer and ran you MC# but see no mention of you having brokers authority. Maybe you are running that under a different name like my wife and I used to do. But it is you that is holding yourself out to be a carrier, shipper, and broker. I don't know which one to believe. Are you a new carrier that really needs help understanding his numbers better? Are you a shipper that does not even know what it cost him to run one truck? Are you a broker that is fishing for truckers rates so you can try and gouge my fellow truckers? \r\n \r\nSir, I ask which one are you? We would all like to know, so before I share anymore information with you I will once again state it does not matter what my cost to run is but only what the shippers cost. If you wish to continue to banter with me, I politely ask that you turn off your CAPS. In internet world that means that you are yelling at me. Maybe that is what you were doing yelling at me, calling me stupid, acting like an individual from podunk Peculiar, Missouri could not even begin to reason how trucking or the market works. \r\n \r\nNow if this commentary that you posted were to come from Art, Jeff, Rob, Jason, Arnie, Jerry, Daniel, and mutiple others that have been at it longer than me. I would have respected and welcomed their input. But to have an individual that has been at it less time than myself act like I can't even program in a program as simple as Excel, well that is laughable at best. \r\n \r\nI am glad that you posted your commentary because you allowed me to point out the many points that I have been wanting to get the others to understand as well. Welcome aboard fellow longwinded poster. ", "parentReplyId": 32446, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T05:52:14Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32460, "content": "Sorry about caps just that i had them on wasnt yelling at you it just keeps me from having to put caps on certail letters. didnt know this was such a formal post. lets just put it this way. everybody has their own way of doing things. not all minds think alike. if they did this world would be excuse my french shit. im not saying in any way the way you are doing things is wrong i dont do that at all. my question to was why did it matter what the cost would be to the shipper. you have explained your reason why that info is a part of your business model. as far as fuel goes glad to hear thats your lowest expense. from my experience dealing with shippers they do keep track of fuel prices along with the avg. fsc. especially the shippers that have set rates for certain lanes. so when the price of fuel drops the avg.fsc drops as well thus bringing rates down. i personally dont look at what it would cost the shipper to operate their own trucks to move their frieght. i look at other factors to determine price. i understand why its important for you to know.", "contentHtml": "Sorry about caps just that i had them on wasnt yelling at you it just keeps me from having to put caps on certail letters. didnt know this was such a formal post. lets just put it this way. everybody has their own way of doing things. not all minds think alike. if they did this world would be excuse my french shit. im not saying in any way the way you are doing things is wrong i dont do that at all. my question to was why did it matter what the cost would be to the shipper. you have explained your reason why that info is a part of your business model. as far as fuel goes glad to hear thats your lowest expense. from my experience dealing with shippers they do keep track of fuel prices along with the avg. fsc. especially the shippers that have set rates for certain lanes. so when the price of fuel drops the avg.fsc drops as well thus bringing rates down. i personally dont look at what it would cost the shipper to operate their own trucks to move their frieght. i look at other factors to determine price. i understand why its important for you to know.", "parentReplyId": 32448, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-03", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T15:45:14Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6801, "firstName": "DWAYNE", "lastName": "JENKINS", "companyName": "B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Culpeper", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32461, "content": "not saying you wouldnt know. from a trucking point of view you could just like you know what it cost you to operate your trucks im sure you have a good idea of what it would cost them to operate theirs. are you speaking on the otherside of the shippers operation as well or are you just speaking on the trucking side of their operation.", "contentHtml": "not saying you wouldnt know. from a trucking point of view you could just like you know what it cost you to operate your trucks im sure you have a good idea of what it would cost them to operate theirs. are you speaking on the otherside of the shippers operation as well or are you just speaking on the trucking side of their operation. ", "parentReplyId": 32450, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-03", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T16:19:36Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6801, "firstName": "DWAYNE", "lastName": "JENKINS", "companyName": "B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Culpeper", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32462, "content": "Dwayne, just the trucking side of their operation. If I wanted to get back into making widget than that is what I would be doing again. I am into trucking now, (that is my widget). I will tell you that the shipper/manufacturer would have a line item cost that it would cost them regardless if that truck was moving or not. Our job as truckers is to be able to beat that cost and still offer our customer superior service, while offering them a layer of legal protection as well. It matter not what your or my cost to operate is except when taking the two numbers and seeing if there is enough margin to make the deal work. If not then nobody will be a winner, not the shipper, not the broker, not the trucker. If brokers and truckers keep bidding on the cheapest possible margins then they will go out of business, and the shipper is back at square one paying way too much to move a load because of the lack of trucks. Does this start to make a little more sense to you now?\n", "contentHtml": "Dwayne, just the trucking side of their operation. If I wanted to get back into making widget than that is what I would be doing again. I am into trucking now, (that is my widget). I will tell you that the shipper/manufacturer would have a line item cost that it would cost them regardless if that truck was moving or not. Our job as truckers is to be able to beat that cost and still offer our customer superior service, while offering them a layer of legal protection as well. It matter not what your or my cost to operate is except when taking the two numbers and seeing if there is enough margin to make the deal work. If not then nobody will be a winner, not the shipper, not the broker, not the trucker. If brokers and truckers keep bidding on the cheapest possible margins then they will go out of business, and the shipper is back at square one paying way too much to move a load because of the lack of trucks. Does this start to make a little more sense to you now? ", "parentReplyId": 32461, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T16:27:22Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32464, "content": "Would the shipper have to absorb their cost to operate their equipment regardless of the market value of their widgets? yes \n Why do they expect us to eat it for them when they made the mistake? welcome to the world of business \n Why are these supposed hurting shippers and brokers posting all time profits this year? by the way they are doing business \n Are you saying it is ok to lower your price because of their failure to manage their supply and demand?its apart of business, but we cant actually say they arent managing it right \n How does that once again reflect the supply and demand and cost of what it takes to move product on their own truck? supply and demand does reflect cost of products and services.here is alittle more info on supply and demand\n Economics Basics: Supply and Demand \n supply and demand is perhaps one of the most fundamental concepts of economics and it is the backbone of a market economy. Demand refers to how much (quantity) of a product or service is desired by buyers. The quantity demanded is the amount of a product people are willing to buy at a certain price; the relationship between price and quantity demanded is known as the demand relationship. Supply represents how much the market can offer. The quantity supplied refers to the amount of a certain good producers are willing to supply when receiving a certain price. The correlation between price and how much of a good or service is supplied to the market is known as the supply relationship. Price, therefore, is a reflection of supply and demand. The relationship between demand and supply underlie the forces behind the allocation of resources. In market economy theories, demand and supply theory will allocate resources in the most efficient way possible", "contentHtml": " Would the shipper have to absorb their cost to operate their equipment regardless of the market value of their widgets? yes\r\n<p style=\"margin: 0px 0px 0in; padding: 10px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 19.0400009155273px; vertical-align: baseline; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 28.560001373291px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;\">\r\n\tWhy do they expect us to eat it for them when they made the mistake? welcome to the world of business\r\n<p style=\"margin: 0px 0px 0in; padding: 10px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 19.0400009155273px; vertical-align: baseline; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 28.560001373291px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;\">\r\n\tWhy are these supposed hurting shippers and brokers posting all time profits this year? by the way they are doing business\r\n<p style=\"margin: 0px 0px 0in; padding: 10px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 19.0400009155273px; vertical-align: baseline; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 28.560001373291px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;\">\r\n\tAre you saying it is ok to lower your price because of their failure to manage their supply and demand?its apart of business, but we cant actually say they arent managing it right\r\n<p style=\"margin: 0px 0px 0in; padding: 10px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 19.0400009155273px; vertical-align: baseline; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 28.560001373291px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;\">\r\n\tHow does that once again reflect the supply and demand and cost of what it takes to move product on their own truck? supply and demand does reflect cost of products and services.here is alittle more info on supply and demand \r\n\t \r\n<h1 style=\"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; font-family: sourcesanspro-light-webfont, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-weight: normal; margin: 0.1em 0px 13px; font-size: 35px; line-height: 1.1em; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0.150000005960464px;\">\r\n\tEconomics Basics: Supply and Demand</h1>\r\n<p style=\"margin: 0px 0px 0in; padding: 10px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 19.0400009155273px; vertical-align: baseline; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 28.560001373291px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;\">\r\n\t supply and demand is perhaps one of the most fundamental concepts of economics and it is the backbone of a market economy. <a href=\"http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/demand.asp\" style=\"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 91, 157); text-decoration: none; cursor: pointer; font-family: gandhiserif-regular-webfont, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; line-height: 25.5px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0.150000005960464px;\">Demand</a> refers to how much (quantity) of a product or service is desired by buyers. The quantity demanded is the amount of a product people are willing to buy at a certain price; the relationship between price and quantity demanded is known as the demand relationship. <a href=\"http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/supply.asp\" style=\"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 91, 157); text-decoration: none; cursor: pointer; font-family: gandhiserif-regular-webfont, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; line-height: 25.5px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0.150000005960464px;\">Supply</a> represents how much the market can offer. The quantity supplied refers to the amount of a certain good producers are willing to supply when receiving a certain price. The correlation between price and how much of a good or service is supplied to the market is known as the supply relationship. Price, therefore, is a reflection of supply and demand.\r\n<br style=\"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: gandhiserif-regular-webfont, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; line-height: 25.5px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0.150000005960464px;\" />\r\nThe relationship between demand and supply underlie the forces behind the allocation of resources. In <a href=\"http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketeconomy.asp\" style=\"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 91, 157); text-decoration: none; cursor: pointer; font-family: gandhiserif-regular-webfont, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; line-height: 25.5px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0.150000005960464px;\">market economy</a> theories, demand and supply theory will allocate resources in the most efficient way possible", "parentReplyId": 32451, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-03", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T16:48:19Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6801, "firstName": "DWAYNE", "lastName": "JENKINS", "companyName": "B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Culpeper", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [ "http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/demand.asp", "http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/supply.asp", "http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketeconomy.asp" ], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32465, "content": "Dwayne, this is starting to look like a college class I took one time. When I asked the professor if he had ever owned or ran a real world business, he replied no. I dropped his class and went to another professor's that actually had experience instead of just theory.\n \n you said:\n \n In market economy theories, demand and supply theory will allocate resources in the most efficient way possible\n \n Beings you keep dancing around answering the questions, and you want to regurgetate Business 101 theory to me. I figure you may not know the answers, so to save us both pain and anguish I figure I will answer them for you. At leastwise the other guys have given an attempt to answer the initial question of the post. We cowboys know how to count our cows, know how much it cost to raise them, and understand supply and demand in that marketplace. We farmboys know how many seeds it takes to produce X# of bushels, and when we should sell our grains based upon supply and demand. The only time trucking is based upon supply and demand is when:\n \n A: There are more trucks then freight in a certain area. (You are better off to pack it in and deadhead to another more profitable market vs. hauling a degraded rate)\n \n B: There are more loads then trucks in a certain area. (We all know what happens then)\n \n I am going to answer the questions that you could not answer for us:\n \n \n Would the shipper have to absorb their cost to operate their equipment regardless of the market value of their widgets? \n \n The answer is Yes, no matter what their widget is doing the cost to run their trucks would not change.\n \n Why do they expect us to eat it for them when they made the mistake?\n \n Because truckers have fell for the whole supply and demand theory that really does not apply to their services, unless rule A above exists. They should have enough sense to bounce to a better market and leave the crap behind, they should learn to charge more to go into a hard pressed market and get round trip money.\n \n Why are these supposed hurting shippers and brokers posting all time profits this year?\n \n They have learned to not only tell the truckers, brokers that the rates should be lowered to 1980 rates, but to tell the farmers as well that their grain is worth less. This is called perceived value ( I will explain how that works in a later post if any are interested).\n \n Are you saying it is ok to lower your price because of their failure to manage their supply and demand?\n \n So far the answer would be Yes, you believe that we should lower our price regardless of whether we can sustain our margins or not. That sir, is just not good business practices, and if you continue along that train of thought we will see your MC# being shut down within the next two or three years.\n \n How does that once again reflect the supply and demand and cost of what it takes to move product on their own truck?\n \n Their widget and supply and demand issues do not effect the cost of what it takes to move product on their own truck!!!!\n \n I hope you are beginning to understand the importance for all truckers, brokers to get this concept, we are being played against one another causing rife by those that started this in the first place. The honest truckers, and the honest brokers are being hung out to dry and expected to take the hit while corporate America's profits continue to rise. I have seen this cycle many times before in other widgets I have been involved in, back then I did not care because I was the one making all then money. I used to be a greedmonster, now I am not, I started reading about our nation and how our founding fathers desired for all to have an opportunity to succeed in their pursuit of happiness. These guys were all wealthy and could have just continued on making more and more money for themselves passing the taxes onto the average working man. They did not, so I believe that this is our time to step up and say enough is enough, we are taking back what is ours, and quit feeding us the line of BS SUPPPLY AND DEMAND THEORY, FUEL PRICES ARE DOWN SO RATES ARE DOWN!!!!!\n ", "contentHtml": "Dwayne, this is starting to look like a college class I took one time. When I asked the professor if he had ever owned or ran a real world business, he replied no. I dropped his class and went to another professor's that actually had experience instead of just theory. \r\n \r\nyou said: \r\n \r\nIn <a href=\"http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketeconomy.asp\" style=\"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 91, 157); text-decoration: none; cursor: pointer; font-family: gandhiserif-regular-webfont, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; line-height: 25.5px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0.150000005960464px;\">market economy</a> theories, demand and supply theory will allocate resources in the most efficient way possible \r\n \r\nBeings you keep dancing around answering the questions, and you want to regurgetate Business 101 theory to me. I figure you may not know the answers, so to save us both pain and anguish I figure I will answer them for you. At leastwise the other guys have given an attempt to answer the initial question of the post. We cowboys know how to count our cows, know how much it cost to raise them, and understand supply and demand in that marketplace. We farmboys know how many seeds it takes to produce X# of bushels, and when we should sell our grains based upon supply and demand. The only time trucking is based upon supply and demand is when: \r\n \r\nA: There are more trucks then freight in a certain area. (You are better off to pack it in and deadhead to another more profitable market vs. hauling a degraded rate) \r\n \r\nB: There are more loads then trucks in a certain area. (We all know what happens then) \r\n \r\nI am going to answer the questions that you could not answer for us: \r\n \r\n\r\n\r\n\tWould the shipper have to absorb their cost to operate their equipment regardless of the market value of their widgets? \r\n\t \r\n\tThe answer is Yes, no matter what their widget is doing the cost to run their trucks would not change. \r\n\t\r\n\r\n\tWhy do they expect us to eat it for them when they made the mistake? \r\n\t \r\n\tBecause truckers have fell for the whole supply and demand theory that really does not apply to their services, unless rule A above exists. They should have enough sense to bounce to a better market and leave the crap behind, they should learn to charge more to go into a hard pressed market and get round trip money. \r\n\t\r\n\r\n\tWhy are these supposed hurting shippers and brokers posting all time profits this year? \r\n\t \r\n\tThey have learned to not only tell the truckers, brokers that the rates should be lowered to 1980 rates, but to tell the farmers as well that their grain is worth less. This is called perceived value ( I will explain how that works in a later post if any are interested). \r\n\t\r\n\r\n\tAre you saying it is ok to lower your price because of their failure to manage their supply and demand? \r\n\t \r\n\tSo far the answer would be Yes, you believe that we should lower our price regardless of whether we can sustain our margins or not. That sir, is just not good business practices, and if you continue along that train of thought we will see your MC# being shut down within the next two or three years. \r\n\t\r\n\r\n\tHow does that once again reflect the supply and demand and cost of what it takes to move product on their own truck? \r\n\t \r\n\tTheir widget and supply and demand issues do not effect the cost of what it takes to move product on their own truck!!!! \r\n\t \r\n\tI hope you are beginning to understand the importance for all truckers, brokers to get this concept, we are being played against one another causing rife by those that started this in the first place. The honest truckers, and the honest brokers are being hung out to dry and expected to take the hit while corporate America's profits continue to rise. I have seen this cycle many times before in other widgets I have been involved in, back then I did not care because I was the one making all then money. I used to be a greedmonster, now I am not, I started reading about our nation and how our founding fathers desired for all to have an opportunity to succeed in their pursuit of happiness. These guys were all wealthy and could have just continued on making more and more money for themselves passing the taxes onto the average working man. They did not, so I believe that this is our time to step up and say enough is enough, we are taking back what is ours, and quit feeding us the line of BS SUPPPLY AND DEMAND THEORY, FUEL PRICES ARE DOWN SO RATES ARE DOWN!!!!! \r\n\t", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T17:31:37Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [ "http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketeconomy.asp" ], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32469, "content": "Sorry about the big post guys, whenever I copy and paste from one spot to another here it blows it up.\n", "contentHtml": "Sorry about the big post guys, whenever I copy and paste from one spot to another here it blows it up. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T18:09:54Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32472, "content": "Scott, please stop I still have a half drunk from sturgis, ur given me a , well um , umm u know . ;)", "contentHtml": "Scott, please stop I still have a half drunk from sturgis, ur given me a , well um , umm u know . ;)", "parentReplyId": 32469, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-06-12", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T18:45:16Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 15182, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "WEAST", "companyName": "FAIR GROVE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fair Grove", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 608, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32473, "content": "Glad to see you made it back ok. Did you hit a lot of the rain coming back?\n", "contentHtml": "Glad to see you made it back ok. Did you hit a lot of the rain coming back? ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T18:49:46Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32474, "content": "First time I ever been there and back with no rain. Put 3600 on the old girl and she still purring and marking her spot", "contentHtml": "First time I ever been there and back with no rain. Put 3600 on the old girl and she still purring and marking her spot ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-06-12", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T19:02:25Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 15182, "firstName": "JASON", "lastName": "WEAST", "companyName": "FAIR GROVE TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Fair Grove", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 608, "userLikes": 0, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32476, "content": "I figured it is time to give everbody the answer, for those that take the time to scroll all the way down and read this. I doubt many will.\n \n The answer is ranging from D - F $2.51 - $4.00 per mile.\n \n I can only input so much possible data and only run so many scenario's. Each shipper will be different just like each trucker, and here are the reasons why. \n \n We don't know exactly if the shipper is paying wages to their drivers from back in the 1980's, 1990's, or what todays rates should be. We don't even know if they are paying an adequate benefit package or none at all.\n \n We don't know how many office personel to truck ratio they are using (I am using 1 - 10 in my formula).\n \n They will receive a certain level of discounts when they go above the 20 or more truck range.\n \n Given all those possibilities D - F is the range that is coming up over and over again. This is for standard grains and does not include meals, DDG's and the like, they would cost even more due to lost time at the shipper and receiver. I hope this has helped the rest of you to understand that we need to be getting what is ours because if you are under those rates then you are leaving green on the table that should be in your pocket.\n \n Remember the shipper would rather put it on our trucks to defray the liability that goes on in our society today. Truck gets into an accident the first place they head is the trucker/carrier, the next is the broker, the next is the shipper. That in itself has a certain level of value to it.\n \n If I am wrong about the numbers than somebody needs to enlighten me. I can only work with the information that is available, and beings I am from Missouri, I sometimes need to be shown to understand.\n", "contentHtml": "I figured it is time to give everbody the answer, for those that take the time to scroll all the way down and read this. I doubt many will. \r\n \r\nThe answer is ranging from D - F $2.51 - $4.00 per mile. \r\n \r\nI can only input so much possible data and only run so many scenario's. Each shipper will be different just like each trucker, and here are the reasons why. \r\n \r\nWe don't know exactly if the shipper is paying wages to their drivers from back in the 1980's, 1990's, or what todays rates should be. We don't even know if they are paying an adequate benefit package or none at all. \r\n \r\nWe don't know how many office personel to truck ratio they are using (I am using 1 - 10 in my formula). \r\n \r\nThey will receive a certain level of discounts when they go above the 20 or more truck range. \r\n \r\nGiven all those possibilities D - F is the range that is coming up over and over again. This is for standard grains and does not include meals, DDG's and the like, they would cost even more due to lost time at the shipper and receiver. I hope this has helped the rest of you to understand that we need to be getting what is ours because if you are under those rates then you are leaving green on the table that should be in your pocket. \r\n \r\nRemember the shipper would rather put it on our trucks to defray the liability that goes on in our society today. Truck gets into an accident the first place they head is the trucker/carrier, the next is the broker, the next is the shipper. That in itself has a certain level of value to it. \r\n \r\nIf I am wrong about the numbers than somebody needs to enlighten me. I can only work with the information that is available, and beings I am from Missouri, I sometimes need to be shown to understand. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T19:08:16Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32478, "content": "Glad to see that, well a lot happened while you were away on vacation. I am meeting with a few bankers this week to talk about financing what we have been discussing. I am shopping for the best rates right now, and will have some answers for you and the others by the end of the week.\n", "contentHtml": "Glad to see that, well a lot happened while you were away on vacation. I am meeting with a few bankers this week to talk about financing what we have been discussing. I am shopping for the best rates right now, and will have some answers for you and the others by the end of the week. ", "parentReplyId": 32474, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T19:24:19Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32479, "content": "Some pretty good and useful info here guys.", "contentHtml": "Some pretty good and useful info here guys.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2015-06-20", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T19:40:17Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 60157, "firstName": "Jeffrey", "lastName": "Wheeler", "companyName": "FIVE POINTS LOGISTICS LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Benson", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 9, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32480, "content": "Hope it helps you with bidding your trucks, and lanes.\n", "contentHtml": "Hope it helps you with bidding your trucks, and lanes. ", "parentReplyId": 32479, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T19:43:52Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32481, "content": "i guess you didnt see the asnwers i gave to your questions. supply and demand wether you realize it or not is the driving force for price changes in any market. youre sitting here saying that im saying you should lower your prices. NO IM NOT.sustain your margins stay in business,you asked the question of what it cost a shipper to run thier equipment when what you really want to get an UNDERSTANDING of why that shippers rates are what they are. now lets look at this fuel prices are down so rates are down thing you dont seem to understand. live situation for one of our custmers who have a set rate for a specific lane.we were getting 60 per ton+25% fsc in this particular lane. so let just say 22 ton load would gross 1650. as fuel price began to fall so did the shippers fsc. price per ton didnt change. now we are at 60+15.5%fsc.gross 1524.6 that particular lane is actually 513 mi. with a 25%fscwe were at 3.216 per mi now we are at 2.971 per mile. so looking at that particular situation you still believe fuel prices dont effect rates. especially when the shipper is calling the shots when it comes to rates and fsc. you dont have to explain perceived values to me i have a masters in business. if a trucker, broker or farmer is willing to let anyone tell them that they are willing to pay you xyz for your services or goods and goes for it knowing that its below what they need to be profitable thats their mistake. thats the choice they made. i think this will be my last post i now see who im sharing info with. you seem to hate how corporate america works. news flash. you cant beat em join em and for to say our founding fathers didnt pass taxes on to the next man.WOW. they created the tax system. that we live by today. i think you should have stayed in that class where the teacher was giving you textbook info then to go to the guy who actually ran his own company but is back in a school teaching. something went wrong on his end.", "contentHtml": "i guess you didnt see the asnwers i gave to your questions. supply and demand wether you realize it or not is the driving force for price changes in any market. youre sitting here saying that im saying you should lower your prices. NO IM NOT.sustain your margins stay in business,you asked the question of what it cost a shipper to run thier equipment when what you really want to get an UNDERSTANDING of why that shippers rates are what they are. now lets look at this fuel prices are down so rates are down thing you dont seem to understand. live situation for one of our custmers who have a set rate for a specific lane.we were getting 60 per ton+25% fsc in this particular lane. so let just say 22 ton load would gross 1650. as fuel price began to fall so did the shippers fsc. price per ton didnt change. now we are at 60+15.5%fsc.gross 1524.6 that particular lane is actually 513 mi. with a 25%fscwe were at 3.216 per mi now we are at 2.971 per mile. so looking at that particular situation you still believe fuel prices dont effect rates. especially when the shipper is calling the shots when it comes to rates and fsc. you dont have to explain perceived values to me i have a masters in business. if a trucker, broker or farmer is willing to let anyone tell them that they are willing to pay you xyz for your services or goods and goes for it knowing that its below what they need to be profitable thats their mistake. thats the choice they made. i think this will be my last post i now see who im sharing info with. you seem to hate how corporate america works. news flash. you cant beat em join em and for to say our founding fathers didnt pass taxes on to the next man.WOW. they created the tax system. that we live by today. i think you should have stayed in that class where the teacher was giving you textbook info then to go to the guy who actually ran his own company but is back in a school teaching. something went wrong on his end.", "parentReplyId": 32465, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-03", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T20:15:26Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6801, "firstName": "DWAYNE", "lastName": "JENKINS", "companyName": "B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Culpeper", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32482, "content": "almost forgot LOVE THE SARCASM.", "contentHtml": "almost forgot LOVE THE SARCASM.", "parentReplyId": 32481, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-03", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T20:22:28Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6801, "firstName": "DWAYNE", "lastName": "JENKINS", "companyName": "B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Culpeper", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32484, "content": "ANOTHER THING I HATE LEAVING A CONVERSATION WHEN I FEEL SOMEONE DOESNT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. LOOK UP SUPPLY AND DEMAND. FOR YOU TO BELEIVE ITS A THEORY WHEN ITS A FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT BOGGLES ME COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO ATTENDED COLLEGE AND HAS TAKEN A BUSINESS CLASS.", "contentHtml": "ANOTHER THING I HATE LEAVING A CONVERSATION WHEN I FEEL SOMEONE DOESNT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. LOOK UP SUPPLY AND DEMAND. FOR YOU TO BELEIVE ITS A THEORY WHEN ITS A FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT BOGGLES ME COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO ATTENDED COLLEGE AND HAS TAKEN A BUSINESS CLASS.", "parentReplyId": 32482, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-03-03", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T20:36:44Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 6801, "firstName": "DWAYNE", "lastName": "JENKINS", "companyName": "B.D.J TRANSPORT LLC(BROKERAGE DIVISION)", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Culpeper", "state": "VA", "userCommentCount": 21, "userLikes": 1, "userDislikes": 0, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32485, "content": "Did anybody else see the answers to the questions?\n \n I think not, you continue to pontificate your theories as to supply and demand while still avoiding to answer the questions that were proposed to you.\n \n I do not claim to have a Master's Degree in business, but to claim to master business. I can not understand how an individual such as yourself spouts off all the rhetoric that you have, and not be able to answer a simple math word problem. What kind of business school did you receive your degree in? I would be asking them for a refund on that piece of crap education that you received. Thanks for telling the whole world what you are making, I will bet there will be some truckers beating down the bushes and brokers as well to steal your customers from you.\n \n If you took more time to try and answer the original question vs. trying to convince all of us that you really know more than the rest of us. You would have found out by now that by taking fuel and labor out of the equation what the shippers cost per mile for their equipment would be. Now here is a very easy business question to ask you, how can a rig move without fuel or labor to drive it?\n \n We are all happy for you that you have your little contract, congrats on that, what are you going to do when another comes and underbids you because his/her cost to run is lower then yours? Plug that into your projections and let me know what 0 / 0 is. \n \n Perceived value often times is the value that one believes their products or services are worth because another told them so. When I play straddles, and then buy the underlying stock, I and others can move that stock one way or another simply by perceived value. The stock really is not worth any more then we originally paid for it, but the general public believes it to be because the price is going up, or down.\n \n Nothing went wrong with the professor that went back to teach others his morals and skills. He called what is going on right now in our country clear back in 1989 when I was in his class at UC Berkley (thanks US Army for paying for the class, I learned a lot from that 70 yr old man). He had his millions and enjoyed mentoring, I really miss him, he helped me make a lot of money down through the years.\n \n Sir, I made my first million when I was 21 off of perceived value, so I really think I know what I am talking about here. I don't hate Corporate America that believes in taking care of America. I despise what I once was, a greedy non-caring SOB that only cared about money. I believe that it is ok for us to make profit (all of us). I believe in hard work, and an honest days wage for an honest days work. Maybe you like what is going on in our industry, maybe you like what is going on in our country. \n \n I swore an oath to defend our country from enemies foreign and domestic in 1986, right now there are more enemies domestic vs. foreign. If you believe the Kool-Aid they are passing out then go right ahead and proclaim your Master's Degree and state to the rest of us cowboys how you know more than us, about the market, and supply and demand. Just where do you think your food is coming from bud? How much corn, beans, milo, wheat, and the such do they grow in your neck of the woods. Guess you don't feel for all those that work in the mines in your area, that are loosing their jobs due to the new EPA rules, what about the steel workers, do you care about them? Most likely don't matter to you if the steel that you haul is coming in on a ship from other countries vs it being American. \n \n How many years have we been lied to about a supposed oil/fuel shortage? When the whole time most of us knew that we had the resources all along. What about recently when banks were loaning money to people that had no business borrowing. I refuesed to build houses for those that could not afford them, guess what all of my customers to include myself have not had a forclosure nor bankruptcy go on our records. What about moving American jobs to Mexico in the 80's, was that not Corporate Greed. What about having to bailout companies that were irresponsible in their management. A lot of them still failed and/or have not paid back their debt to us the American Taxpayer. What about supporting able bodied americans that just want to sit at home and watch TV, and play on their subsidized phones? Yep nothing wrong with our nation, no Coporate Greed going on here. Everything is just peachy king as far as those like you believe.\n \n I only went to college three years, then went Special Ops with the Army. Have owned and built several business' and sold them for a hefty profit. This one is my passion because I saw what happened to my dad after 30 years of driving, including being an owner/operator. Excuse me for not caring exactly how many millions I make off of this one.\n My wife has a Master's in Education\n My son has a Master's in Law Enforcement\n My daughter is working on two Master's in Phychology\n My daughter has a BA in nursing RN for most of you\n \n All of them looked at your posting and believe that you are over there blowing smoke. Time for you to put up or shut up.\n \n Show us what you got Mr. Master's degree I am going to change up the word problem for you a little, beings I already gave the answer to the first one.\n \n Take the first one that I posted, back out the price of fuel, and labor. Then let the rest of us dumb old cowboys know what you come up with. We will be waiting, and remember that your flatbed buddies are watching as well.\n \n \n", "contentHtml": "Did anybody else see the answers to the questions? \r\n \r\nI think not, you continue to pontificate your theories as to supply and demand while still avoiding to answer the questions that were proposed to you. \r\n \r\n I do not claim to have a Master's Degree in business, but to claim to master business. I can not understand how an individual such as yourself spouts off all the rhetoric that you have, and not be able to answer a simple math word problem. What kind of business school did you receive your degree in? I would be asking them for a refund on that piece of crap education that you received. Thanks for telling the whole world what you are making, I will bet there will be some truckers beating down the bushes and brokers as well to steal your customers from you. \r\n \r\n If you took more time to try and answer the original question vs. trying to convince all of us that you really know more than the rest of us. You would have found out by now that by taking fuel and labor out of the equation what the shippers cost per mile for their equipment would be. Now here is a very easy business question to ask you, how can a rig move without fuel or labor to drive it? \r\n \r\n We are all happy for you that you have your little contract, congrats on that, what are you going to do when another comes and underbids you because his/her cost to run is lower then yours? Plug that into your projections and let me know what 0 / 0 is. \r\n \r\n Perceived value often times is the value that one believes their products or services are worth because another told them so. When I play straddles, and then buy the underlying stock, I and others can move that stock one way or another simply by perceived value. The stock really is not worth any more then we originally paid for it, but the general public believes it to be because the price is going up, or down. \r\n \r\nNothing went wrong with the professor that went back to teach others his morals and skills. He called what is going on right now in our country clear back in 1989 when I was in his class at UC Berkley (thanks US Army for paying for the class, I learned a lot from that 70 yr old man). He had his millions and enjoyed mentoring, I really miss him, he helped me make a lot of money down through the years. \r\n \r\nSir, I made my first million when I was 21 off of perceived value, so I really think I know what I am talking about here. I don't hate Corporate America that believes in taking care of America. I despise what I once was, a greedy non-caring SOB that only cared about money. I believe that it is ok for us to make profit (all of us). I believe in hard work, and an honest days wage for an honest days work. Maybe you like what is going on in our industry, maybe you like what is going on in our country. \r\n \r\nI swore an oath to defend our country from enemies foreign and domestic in 1986, right now there are more enemies domestic vs. foreign. If you believe the Kool-Aid they are passing out then go right ahead and proclaim your Master's Degree and state to the rest of us cowboys how you know more than us, about the market, and supply and demand. Just where do you think your food is coming from bud? How much corn, beans, milo, wheat, and the such do they grow in your neck of the woods. Guess you don't feel for all those that work in the mines in your area, that are loosing their jobs due to the new EPA rules, what about the steel workers, do you care about them? Most likely don't matter to you if the steel that you haul is coming in on a ship from other countries vs it being American. \r\n \r\nHow many years have we been lied to about a supposed oil/fuel shortage? When the whole time most of us knew that we had the resources all along. What about recently when banks were loaning money to people that had no business borrowing. I refuesed to build houses for those that could not afford them, guess what all of my customers to include myself have not had a forclosure nor bankruptcy go on our records. What about moving American jobs to Mexico in the 80's, was that not Corporate Greed. What about having to bailout companies that were irresponsible in their management. A lot of them still failed and/or have not paid back their debt to us the American Taxpayer. What about supporting able bodied americans that just want to sit at home and watch TV, and play on their subsidized phones? Yep nothing wrong with our nation, no Coporate Greed going on here. Everything is just peachy king as far as those like you believe. \r\n \r\nI only went to college three years, then went Special Ops with the Army. Have owned and built several business' and sold them for a hefty profit. This one is my passion because I saw what happened to my dad after 30 years of driving, including being an owner/operator. Excuse me for not caring exactly how many millions I make off of this one. \r\nMy wife has a Master's in Education \r\nMy son has a Master's in Law Enforcement \r\nMy daughter is working on two Master's in Phychology \r\nMy daughter has a BA in nursing RN for most of you \r\n \r\nAll of them looked at your posting and believe that you are over there blowing smoke. Time for you to put up or shut up. \r\n \r\nShow us what you got Mr. Master's degree I am going to change up the word problem for you a little, beings I already gave the answer to the first one. \r\n \r\nTake the first one that I posted, back out the price of fuel, and labor. Then let the rest of us dumb old cowboys know what you come up with. We will be waiting, and remember that your flatbed buddies are watching as well. \r\n \r\n ", "parentReplyId": 32481, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T21:08:51Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32486, "content": "I perfectly well understand supply and demand as it relates to a traditional widget, but trucking is its own unique animal in business. Much like being a unique soldier, there are many soldiers that can go to battle, many return. The special operator on the other hand is a unique individual all unto his own. Maybe that is why we are conflicting I think a lot different then the convential way of thinking, I don't think just because it has been taught one way and done that way actually makes it right. Maybe that is why I have been successful at what I do, I think a little outside of the Corporate Box and believe that if given the chance my men will make themselves money as well as myself. Something Corporate America used to believe in, something the american worker used to believe in. Maybe I am to old fashioned and don't belong in this generation. I need you to understand something, I am the nice guy of the group over here, the others may start to rip you to shreds when they get off their weekend. I know they ripped me plenty of times, and rightfully so. If you choose to listen to the old timers then you will learn a lot on how to improve your business and margin. We are here to help one another not hurt one another, there has been enough of that in our industry already. I wish you the best of luck with your business venture, and hope to see you expand. I would like you to give the results to the word problem I gave so othere will see it from another source.\n \n This one is not Sarcastic, it is genuine. Thanks for the banter, I have enjoyed it. \n Gotta go see my Grandma, she loves to banter with me as well , she still is sharp for a 89 yr old woman, and the Irish in her makes her love to argue and fight. Guess that's where I got it from.\n", "contentHtml": "I perfectly well understand supply and demand as it relates to a traditional widget, but trucking is its own unique animal in business. Much like being a unique soldier, there are many soldiers that can go to battle, many return. The special operator on the other hand is a unique individual all unto his own. Maybe that is why we are conflicting I think a lot different then the convential way of thinking, I don't think just because it has been taught one way and done that way actually makes it right. Maybe that is why I have been successful at what I do, I think a little outside of the Corporate Box and believe that if given the chance my men will make themselves money as well as myself. Something Corporate America used to believe in, something the american worker used to believe in. Maybe I am to old fashioned and don't belong in this generation. I need you to understand something, I am the nice guy of the group over here, the others may start to rip you to shreds when they get off their weekend. I know they ripped me plenty of times, and rightfully so. If you choose to listen to the old timers then you will learn a lot on how to improve your business and margin. We are here to help one another not hurt one another, there has been enough of that in our industry already. I wish you the best of luck with your business venture, and hope to see you expand. I would like you to give the results to the word problem I gave so othere will see it from another source. \r\n \r\nThis one is not Sarcastic, it is genuine. Thanks for the banter, I have enjoyed it. \r\nGotta go see my Grandma, she loves to banter with me as well , she still is sharp for a 89 yr old woman, and the Irish in her makes her love to argue and fight. Guess that's where I got it from. ", "parentReplyId": 32484, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T21:20:18Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32487, "content": "Its the typical east/west coast mentality Alfred, the midwest is looked down upon and we are just a bunch of uneducated inbred hicks. Progeressiveism at its finest- \"your too dumb to manage your(business, money, property, business, etc) let us(the educated elite) do it for you.\" The division in this country is astonishing to me and I am still a young man with lots to learn. Political correctness and failure to call things what they actually are is the reason we are in the mess we are.\n \n Where's Art? He's going to have a field day with this high minded clown!\n", "contentHtml": "Its the typical east/west coast mentality Alfred, the midwest is looked down upon and we are just a bunch of uneducated inbred hicks. Progeressiveism at its finest- "your too dumb to manage your(business, money, property, business, etc) let us(the educated elite) do it for you." The division in this country is astonishing to me and I am still a young man with lots to learn. Political correctness and failure to call things what they actually are is the reason we are in the mess we are. \r\n \r\nWhere's Art? He's going to have a field day with this high minded clown! ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-03-14", "dateAdded": "2015-08-09T23:42:27Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 14074, "firstName": "JOSH", "lastName": "BUSTER", "companyName": "JERCE FARMS", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MUSCATINE", "state": "IA", "userCommentCount": 84, "userLikes": 24, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32488, "content": "So when corn prices are up or down does the elevator charge the farmer less or more to pick up his corn? NO. Do they change there drying rate. Based on lower gas or corn prices? NO. Do they pay truckers more when the feed mills train didn't come in, and they need all the trucks they can get. To get that high price? NO. \n \n Most still want to pay the same .cents per bushel they were paying 10+ years a go. The best thing to happen around here was when the owner of the local elevator got his own truck. Rates went up next week.\n \n When fuel went up a few years ago everybody wanted fuel surcharges. I wanted higher rates. \n \n In what other business does the costumer tell you what you will work for?\n \n \n", "contentHtml": "So when corn prices are up or down does the elevator charge the farmer less or more to pick up his corn? NO. Do they change there drying rate. Based on lower gas or corn prices? NO. Do they pay truckers more when the feed mills train didn't come in, and they need all the trucks they can get. To get that high price? NO. \r\n \r\nMost still want to pay the same .cents per bushel they were paying 10+ years a go. The best thing to happen around here was when the owner of the local elevator got his own truck. Rates went up next week. \r\n \r\nWhen fuel went up a few years ago everybody wanted fuel surcharges. I wanted higher rates. \r\n \r\nIn what other business does the costumer tell you what you will work for? \r\n \r\n ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T00:59:19Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32489, "content": "Also living in a part of the Country that seems to raise more livestock then grain. We are competing with rail and grain from the midweast. Most of the big meat and egg producers have direct rail. So no transfers for us. Just lost revenue.", "contentHtml": "Also living in a part of the Country that seems to raise more livestock then grain. We are competing with rail and grain from the midweast. Most of the big meat and egg producers have direct rail. So no transfers for us. Just lost revenue.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T02:00:18Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32490, "content": "Josh, it is amazing when election time comes around how important Iowa and Missouri all of the sudden become. Art, will be coming he is most likely out at the races, but when he comes he will let his hammer fly, or maybe not, we all can do that for him now. He has earned the right to sit back and relax a little bit, he and Jeff have been carrying on the fight for a long time. It is time for our generation to pick up the torch and run, as long as we have them behind us validating what we say to be true. It will take all ages and all areas of our nation working together to take back what is ours. Dwayne only knows what he has been taught just like a lot of us, we can not get to mad at him for standing up for his beliefs even if the differ from ours. While I agree with what you are saying by and large about the East Coast in general, I will tell you that country is country no matter where in the world you go. I met some of the nicest people in Upstate New York when I used to deliver salt to the Tractor Supply stores over there. They hated NYC more than you are I ever could, the same things you and I think about NYC the think as well. I am only 47 and still have much to learn and enjoy each and every day that I learn something new or I can teach another something new to add to their life.\n \n Let's call Political correctness what it really is (Pussy Correctness)(Liers Correctness), they don't want anybody to hurt anybodys little feelings anymore. Oh, my goodness lets not tell the truth, lets just tell them what we think they want to hear. I may not care for Donald Trump as a choice candidate but one thing I respect about the man is that he is willing to say whatever he feels, right or wrong. Would still worry about him being in charge of our country, he is a little bit too much of a loose cannon for that. But at least wise he is not worried about being politically correct. I believe that the majority of Americans are tired of being shoved around by the minority special interest groups ( I don't mean that in a racial way for you PC folks). Do the majority want more welfare and government interference? Do the majority want big business to continue to overrun the small guy? Do the majority want to continue building and hauling widgets for less today than they used to? Is the majority tired of being told if we raise our voices then we are considered whiners and complainers? Wait a minute those that are calling me that are the ones not paying taxes and taking more than they give. That would be the welfare and rich alike, hmmm what is wrong with this picture?\n", "contentHtml": "Josh, it is amazing when election time comes around how important Iowa and Missouri all of the sudden become. Art, will be coming he is most likely out at the races, but when he comes he will let his hammer fly, or maybe not, we all can do that for him now. He has earned the right to sit back and relax a little bit, he and Jeff have been carrying on the fight for a long time. It is time for our generation to pick up the torch and run, as long as we have them behind us validating what we say to be true. It will take all ages and all areas of our nation working together to take back what is ours. Dwayne only knows what he has been taught just like a lot of us, we can not get to mad at him for standing up for his beliefs even if the differ from ours. While I agree with what you are saying by and large about the East Coast in general, I will tell you that country is country no matter where in the world you go. I met some of the nicest people in Upstate New York when I used to deliver salt to the Tractor Supply stores over there. They hated NYC more than you are I ever could, the same things you and I think about NYC the think as well. I am only 47 and still have much to learn and enjoy each and every day that I learn something new or I can teach another something new to add to their life. \r\n \r\nLet's call Political correctness what it really is (Pussy Correctness)(Liers Correctness), they don't want anybody to hurt anybodys little feelings anymore. Oh, my goodness lets not tell the truth, lets just tell them what we think they want to hear. I may not care for Donald Trump as a choice candidate but one thing I respect about the man is that he is willing to say whatever he feels, right or wrong. Would still worry about him being in charge of our country, he is a little bit too much of a loose cannon for that. But at least wise he is not worried about being politically correct. I believe that the majority of Americans are tired of being shoved around by the minority special interest groups ( I don't mean that in a racial way for you PC folks). Do the majority want more welfare and government interference? Do the majority want big business to continue to overrun the small guy? Do the majority want to continue building and hauling widgets for less today than they used to? Is the majority tired of being told if we raise our voices then we are considered whiners and complainers? Wait a minute those that are calling me that are the ones not paying taxes and taking more than they give. That would be the welfare and rich alike, hmmm what is wrong with this picture? ", "parentReplyId": 32487, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T02:41:37Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32491, "content": "Daniel, I agree. Don't think I am making fun of you, I know it was a typo but I could not resist.\n \n Is the costumer wearing a costume like a greedy pig when they are telling you what you will work for?\n \n Or are they wearing a wolfs costume while pretending to be a sheeple?\n", "contentHtml": "Daniel, I agree. Don't think I am making fun of you, I know it was a typo but I could not resist. \r\n \r\nIs the costumer wearing a costume like a greedy pig when they are telling you what you will work for? \r\n \r\nOr are they wearing a wolfs costume while pretending to be a sheeple? ", "parentReplyId": 32488, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T02:44:14Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32492, "content": "I know it is really hard over there in your neck of the woods. You always could run the end dump, rock seems to run fairly well over there.\n", "contentHtml": "I know it is really hard over there in your neck of the woods. You always could run the end dump, rock seems to run fairly well over there. ", "parentReplyId": 32489, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T02:46:08Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32493, "content": "Haha, damn auto correct. We haul rock in hoppers and end dumps. The fancy stone from the western part of the state goes mostly to Florida. Western part of state 4-6+ hour ride. And hard to find anything coming back. The best deal is to find a contractor that Has an account at the Rock quarry, that will let you back haul a load when you can, or a gov contract. It seems if you find somebody that wants 20+ loads and you go in there buying rock hualing it and reselling. The quarry will start rasing the price. Sometimes a dollar a ton a day. I guess it's just supply and demand.", "contentHtml": "Haha, damn auto correct. We haul rock in hoppers and end dumps. The fancy stone from the western part of the state goes mostly to Florida. Western part of state 4-6+ hour ride. And hard to find anything coming back. The best deal is to find a contractor that Has an account at the Rock quarry, that will let you back haul a load when you can, or a gov contract. It seems if you find somebody that wants 20+ loads and you go in there buying rock hualing it and reselling. The quarry will start rasing the price. Sometimes a dollar a ton a day. I guess it's just supply and demand.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T03:12:44Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32494, "content": "That's why when people want rock I tell them the freight is this much, + what ever rock is.", "contentHtml": "That's why when people want rock I tell them the freight is this much, + what ever rock is. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-09-23", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T03:16:28Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 12197, "firstName": "DANIEL", "lastName": "CORBIN", "companyName": "LOST HIGHWAY TRUCKING LLC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "COLUMBIA", "state": "NC", "userCommentCount": 207, "userLikes": 181, "userDislikes": 23, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32495, "content": "yep that's the way I used to run my buckets when I had my construction company.\n", "contentHtml": "yep that's the way I used to run my buckets when I had my construction company. ", "parentReplyId": 32494, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T03:40:55Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32499, "content": "Have to respond to the \"supply and demand\" - YES I have college - accounting and business management - That actually is great for a retail store BUT as a truck owner I can tell you that it does NOT keep the truck going. No matter what the \"supply and demand\" is - it still takes XX amount of money to start my truck and send my driver. I really get tired of the calls with $1.5 mile ONE WAY pay - there is not alot of fright right now due to that booming economy obama says we have BUT I do refuse and come back with an offer and it seems as if it offends the broker, right now there are more hoppers than frieght due to the fracking slowdown - that cheapened up frieght because some of the owners are doing anything to stay in business BUT when they take this fright without something better to back it up they only need a set of tires or a major breakdown and they are under.\n I am not sure as to you have a complete understanding of actual business in which I am in to MAKE money and all the copy and paste you do has nothing to do with REAL life in the trucking world - it is stats from college educated idiots that have never owned nor operated their own business. When I get load cancelled while already on the way to get it and not being able to fine a replacement I am out fuel - drivers wages - wear and tear on my truck which include tires - insurance so that has to be factored into other hauls plus there is nothing any greater than having a crap rate to get me to a better load and have to sit for 24 hours to load and no telling for unload - then I am out paying the driver to sit and NO they won't pay detention and then you lose the better haul due to being late. So use your \"supply and demand\" on them figures and get back with me - right now with fuel being cheaper and excess hoppers the brokers are the ones making the money and screwing the truckers.\n", "contentHtml": "Have to respond to the "supply and demand" - YES I have college - accounting and business management - That actually is great for a retail store BUT as a truck owner I can tell you that it does NOT keep the truck going. No matter what the "supply and demand" is - it still takes XX amount of money to start my truck and send my driver. I really get tired of the calls with $1.5 mile ONE WAY pay - there is not alot of fright right now due to that booming economy obama says we have BUT I do refuse and come back with an offer and it seems as if it offends the broker, right now there are more hoppers than frieght due to the fracking slowdown - that cheapened up frieght because some of the owners are doing anything to stay in business BUT when they take this fright without something better to back it up they only need a set of tires or a major breakdown and they are under. \r\nI am not sure as to you have a complete understanding of actual business in which I am in to MAKE money and all the copy and paste you do has nothing to do with REAL life in the trucking world - it is stats from college educated idiots that have never owned nor operated their own business. When I get load cancelled while already on the way to get it and not being able to fine a replacement I am out fuel - drivers wages - wear and tear on my truck which include tires - insurance so that has to be factored into other hauls plus there is nothing any greater than having a crap rate to get me to a better load and have to sit for 24 hours to load and no telling for unload - then I am out paying the driver to sit and NO they won't pay detention and then you lose the better haul due to being late. So use your "supply and demand" on them figures and get back with me - right now with fuel being cheaper and excess hoppers the brokers are the ones making the money and screwing the truckers. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2014-04-24", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T15:21:05Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 14634, "firstName": "GREG ", "lastName": "CULTON", "companyName": "GREG CULTON TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "WEST PLAINS", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1, "userLikes": 3, "userDislikes": 1, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32500, "content": "Thanks, Greg for the response, I believe that is the point I was trying to make to Dwyane over the weekend. I took business law in college, and would have finished my law degree except I was stupid and wanted to be Rambo instead. I do not regret my time as an operator, I learned a lot of like skills that have helped me down through the years. If I remember right my third year in college in a business class, trucking was one of the few industries that the typical theory of supply and demand was stated to not work. Now it has been a long time since I sat in that classroom, but maybe they are teaching it different today vs. when I was taking the class. It would not surprise me, I have seen things in my kids books that did not even begin to match up with what I was taught as a kid. It is like they are hiding more and more of the real history of our country, more and more of the basics, they are dumbing down our country so they can basically feed them the propaganda that they desire to have pumped down the next generations throats. \n \n If more knew how to do real mathematics (instead of the modern guess it math that they teach), learn how to properly read ( instead of having a computer read it to them), learn how to write ( instead of letting their smart phone or speaking dragon program do it for them). We actually might really have a group of people that would be able to understand what is going on. \n \n My kids have came into my office and started spouting off some of the BS they were learning at college, I actually took the time to visit their class and showed the professor and the students the errors of his theories that he was stating to be facts. My wife is a teacher and Missouri was thinking about going to this new CORE program that the Feds have, they decided to say no way we are teaching that crap. Teachers teaching to the test is not teaching, all individuals are learning is how to pass a specific test. I ask you how does that prepare them for the real world? Teaching how to solve problems, teaching how to read, teaching how to write, those things are necessary for survival in the real world.\n", "contentHtml": "Thanks, Greg for the response, I believe that is the point I was trying to make to Dwyane over the weekend. I took business law in college, and would have finished my law degree except I was stupid and wanted to be Rambo instead. I do not regret my time as an operator, I learned a lot of like skills that have helped me down through the years. If I remember right my third year in college in a business class, trucking was one of the few industries that the typical theory of supply and demand was stated to not work. Now it has been a long time since I sat in that classroom, but maybe they are teaching it different today vs. when I was taking the class. It would not surprise me, I have seen things in my kids books that did not even begin to match up with what I was taught as a kid. It is like they are hiding more and more of the real history of our country, more and more of the basics, they are dumbing down our country so they can basically feed them the propaganda that they desire to have pumped down the next generations throats. \r\n \r\nIf more knew how to do real mathematics (instead of the modern guess it math that they teach), learn how to properly read ( instead of having a computer read it to them), learn how to write ( instead of letting their smart phone or speaking dragon program do it for them). We actually might really have a group of people that would be able to understand what is going on. \r\n \r\nMy kids have came into my office and started spouting off some of the BS they were learning at college, I actually took the time to visit their class and showed the professor and the students the errors of his theories that he was stating to be facts. My wife is a teacher and Missouri was thinking about going to this new CORE program that the Feds have, they decided to say no way we are teaching that crap. Teachers teaching to the test is not teaching, all individuals are learning is how to pass a specific test. I ask you how does that prepare them for the real world? Teaching how to solve problems, teaching how to read, teaching how to write, those things are necessary for survival in the real world. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T16:24:42Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32501, "content": "I think they called that type of teaching in the old days the 3 r's. Worked pretty good back then why would it not work today as well?\n", "contentHtml": "I think they called that type of teaching in the old days the 3 r's. Worked pretty good back then why would it not work today as well? ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T16:25:40Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32504, "content": "You guys have it made by having a biznis degree. With my limited 7th grade public education I have to rely on bank account status. If the accounts receivable is less than the accounts payable I know I need to regroup and hit it from another angle...8^)", "contentHtml": "You guys have it made by having a biznis degree. With my limited 7th grade public education I have to rely on bank account status. If the accounts receivable is less than the accounts payable I know I need to regroup and hit it from another angle...8^)", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-06-18", "dateAdded": "2015-08-10T18:35:28Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 7792, "firstName": "JERRY", "lastName": "BECK", "companyName": "BECK BULK", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "HANKAMER", "state": "TX", "userCommentCount": 517, "userLikes": 48, "userDislikes": 5, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32514, "content": "Jerry, I really meant to say I went to college for bikini law not business law. \n", "contentHtml": "Jerry, I really meant to say I went to college for bikini law not business law. ", "parentReplyId": 32504, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-11T02:58:19Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32515, "content": ". Alright.", "contentHtml": "<img alt=\"\" src=\"http://www.bulkloads.com/includes/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/thumbs_up.gif\" title=\"\" />. Alright. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2012-06-18", "dateAdded": "2015-08-11T03:02:21Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 7792, "firstName": "JERRY", "lastName": "BECK", "companyName": "BECK BULK", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "HANKAMER", "state": "TX", "userCommentCount": 517, "userLikes": 48, "userDislikes": 5, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32544, "content": "Dwayne, if you wish to open this debate again, bring it. I haven't had the time to put my battered redneck brain to this thread as I wished, but I have looked at this a little. Your just another indoctrinated college liberal. Coming on here and spouting a bunch of bullshit some professor told you VS. those of us with real life experience in this business is ludicris and just plain stupid. There isn't another business in this nation that is as specialized as the Trucking industry. This country is sick and tired of liberal democrats. Yes you are a democrat, that is the most terrible thing I can call you on this forum. There is very little room for your kind in this country if we are to survive as we know it. Otherwise we will be just another third world country.\n \n Art Pfluger", "contentHtml": "Dwayne, if you wish to open this debate again, bring it. I haven't had the time to put my battered redneck brain to this thread as I wished, but I have looked at this a little. Your just another indoctrinated college liberal. Coming on here and spouting a bunch of bullshit some professor told you VS. those of us with real life experience in this business is ludicris and just plain stupid. There isn't another business in this nation that is as specialized as the Trucking industry. This country is sick and tired of liberal democrats. Yes you are a democrat, that is the most terrible thing I can call you on this forum. There is very little room for your kind in this country if we are to survive as we know it. Otherwise we will be just another third world country. \r\n \r\nArt Pfluger", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-12-05", "dateAdded": "2015-08-14T04:39:55Z", "likes": 1, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3266, "firstName": "ROSE", "lastName": "PFLUGER", "companyName": "ROAD WARRIORS TRANSPORTATION INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "MORRISTOWN", "state": "AZ", "userCommentCount": 804, "userLikes": 10, "userDislikes": 4, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32577, "content": "Thought you all would like to know what it cost the shipper to run their equipment if the did not have a driver, nor fuel cost, which we all know that trucks don't move without either of those things.\n \n \n \n $1.58 per mile is the shippers cost for a new tractor, new hopper if they did not have a driver or fuel cost involved. You guys take it from there, I have done all I can.\n", "contentHtml": "Thought you all would like to know what it cost the shipper to run their equipment if the did not have a driver, nor fuel cost, which we all know that trucks don't move without either of those things. \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n$1.58 per mile is the shippers cost for a new tractor, new hopper if they did not have a driver or fuel cost involved. You guys take it from there, I have done all I can. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T12:03:17Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32579, "content": "About 30 years ago..Yellow freight was asked this question..and with drivers wages..was about this same cost..I believe it was $1.53...just something to think about.", "contentHtml": "About 30 years ago..Yellow freight was asked this question..and with drivers wages..was about this same cost..I believe it was $1.53...just something to think about.", "parentReplyId": 32577, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-12", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T16:09:22Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3078, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "PEARSON", "companyName": "C & R TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PAYSON", "state": "UT", "userCommentCount": 927, "userLikes": 225, "userDislikes": 94, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32580, "content": "Also as for shippers costs to run a truck?they can tell you..and show you anything they want for running a truck..they could show you their numbers as a dollar a mile..but they are making money on their product..or they can show you their cost at three bucks a mile...and make a smaller profit with the product..its all a sharp pencil game and where they need the right off..its all a tax game with them..and when they don't need the right off..get rid of? Get rid of ? Manufacturing??? Or trucking..I've never seen them get rid of the manufacturing side for Trucking..wonder why??.", "contentHtml": "Also as for shippers costs to run a truck?they can tell you..and show you anything they want for running a truck..they could show you their numbers as a dollar a mile..but they are making money on their product..or they can show you their cost at three bucks a mile...and make a smaller profit with the product..its all a sharp pencil game and where they need the right off..its all a tax game with them..and when they don't need the right off..get rid of? Get rid of ? Manufacturing??? Or trucking..I've never seen them get rid of the manufacturing side for Trucking..wonder why??.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-12", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T16:19:29Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3078, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "PEARSON", "companyName": "C & R TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PAYSON", "state": "UT", "userCommentCount": 927, "userLikes": 225, "userDislikes": 94, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32581, "content": "Yep, I know what you are saying Jeff, it was costing them about the same back then with the drivers wages and fuel added in. The rate that I spat out is without the drivers wages and fuel. Is that not funny that they expect us to run for about the same thing they were paying 30 years ago. You and I both know there are those out there doing exactly that, otherwise we would not be getting phone calls, emails and the like for those types of prices. \n \n As far as them dropping the price of their widgets, they have not done that have they? \n They have on the other hand kept the wages to make their widgets very close to the same price that they were paying 30 years ago as well, so this is not just a trucking problem it is a labor issue across the board. I for one am tired of being expected to suck it up and take a loss for Corporate America while they are posting all time profits, this is not me being jealouse of their success, this is me saying share some of that success with the ones who gave it to you in the first place.\n \n Truckers like to blame the brokers, but the brokers don't haul the freight they just puch paper. If the indpendent little truckers would get together and form their own organization and agree to only move for a minimum rate or above then they would have the leverage that the ATA, and the NTBA has. Once again we can't even decided if the sky is blue or pink, let alone agree on something that is of major importance to us all.\n", "contentHtml": "Yep, I know what you are saying Jeff, it was costing them about the same back then with the drivers wages and fuel added in. The rate that I spat out is without the drivers wages and fuel. Is that not funny that they expect us to run for about the same thing they were paying 30 years ago. You and I both know there are those out there doing exactly that, otherwise we would not be getting phone calls, emails and the like for those types of prices. \r\n \r\nAs far as them dropping the price of their widgets, they have not done that have they? \r\nThey have on the other hand kept the wages to make their widgets very close to the same price that they were paying 30 years ago as well, so this is not just a trucking problem it is a labor issue across the board. I for one am tired of being expected to suck it up and take a loss for Corporate America while they are posting all time profits, this is not me being jealouse of their success, this is me saying share some of that success with the ones who gave it to you in the first place. \r\n \r\nTruckers like to blame the brokers, but the brokers don't haul the freight they just puch paper. If the indpendent little truckers would get together and form their own organization and agree to only move for a minimum rate or above then they would have the leverage that the ATA, and the NTBA has. Once again we can't even decided if the sky is blue or pink, let alone agree on something that is of major importance to us all. ", "parentReplyId": 32579, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T16:35:59Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32582, "content": "All of this reminds me of a Rodney Dangerfield movie..Back to School...where the professor was trying to lay out all the costs of a business..and Dangerfield asked about all of the added costs..such as having to pay off a few people..bribe the politicians for this or that..the extra payola for the trash to be picked up..etc..something that these college educated idiots never read about in a book..that's all they have..book knowledge..sad thing..they are the ones that also work for some congressman and write trucking laws for them..and they are the ones that think they can write log book laws..why is it that log book laws were fine for decades..until some college educated idiot thought different..and just had to change things..like all jobs..it takes not book time but on the job experience. A book is only as good as the author.and what if he was an idiot?.just like a computer is only as good as the guy that designed it...that book might tell you that new tire will last 300,000 miles..but won't figure in that new tire that just blew up at 25,000 miles and ripped off your fender,..or that new engine thats needs an overhaul at 750,000..but it just lost a valve and took out a bunch other parts at 50,000 miles..the book never teaches you this..but experience does...just like this Dwayne guy has more problems than he realises according to sca company snapshot..funny thing..most of us stupid uneducated truck drivers don't make mistakes like this..wonder why?", "contentHtml": "All of this reminds me of a Rodney Dangerfield movie..Back to School...where the professor was trying to lay out all the costs of a business..and Dangerfield asked about all of the added costs..such as having to pay off a few people..bribe the politicians for this or that..the extra payola for the trash to be picked up..etc..something that these college educated idiots never read about in a book..that's all they have..book knowledge..sad thing..they are the ones that also work for some congressman and write trucking laws for them..and they are the ones that think they can write log book laws..why is it that log book laws were fine for decades..until some college educated idiot thought different..and just had to change things..like all jobs..it takes not book time but on the job experience. A book is only as good as the author.and what if he was an idiot?.just like a computer is only as good as the guy that designed it...that book might tell you that new tire will last 300,000 miles..but won't figure in that new tire that just blew up at 25,000 miles and ripped off your fender,..or that new engine thats needs an overhaul at 750,000..but it just lost a valve and took out a bunch other parts at 50,000 miles..the book never teaches you this..but experience does...just like this Dwayne guy has more problems than he realises according to sca company snapshot..funny thing..most of us stupid uneducated truck drivers don't make mistakes like this..wonder why?", "parentReplyId": 32465, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-12", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T16:46:13Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3078, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "PEARSON", "companyName": "C & R TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PAYSON", "state": "UT", "userCommentCount": 927, "userLikes": 225, "userDislikes": 94, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32583, "content": "Jeff, the only mistakes we make are not sticking with each other on a baseline rate. I have had guys come in and under bid customers, and the customers tells me that I can still haul the freight if I match the rate. I inform the customer that is not my way of doing business, and that I will just move on to another customer that needs our type of service. In about 6 months the first customer is calling back wanting our trucks back, I inform them that they will now have to beat my new customers rate by at least 30% (which is what the other trucker cut us by) in order to get our trucks back dedicated. I now feel that if they could not keep their word the first time the chances are that they would not keep it a second. I don't care if it is a trucker or a broker that is trying to undercut us, if they win the bid because of way undercutting us, we can just ride it out. \n \n \"You can make a little off of a lot and succeed, but if you are losing a little off of a lot then you will fail.\" Alfred Jordan, Powerhouse Transportation\n", "contentHtml": "Jeff, the only mistakes we make are not sticking with each other on a baseline rate. I have had guys come in and under bid customers, and the customers tells me that I can still haul the freight if I match the rate. I inform the customer that is not my way of doing business, and that I will just move on to another customer that needs our type of service. In about 6 months the first customer is calling back wanting our trucks back, I inform them that they will now have to beat my new customers rate by at least 30% (which is what the other trucker cut us by) in order to get our trucks back dedicated. I now feel that if they could not keep their word the first time the chances are that they would not keep it a second. I don't care if it is a trucker or a broker that is trying to undercut us, if they win the bid because of way undercutting us, we can just ride it out. \r\n \r\n"You can make a little off of a lot and succeed, but if you are losing a little off of a lot then you will fail." Alfred Jordan, Powerhouse Transportation ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T17:26:27Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32584, "content": "Your attitude is what this industry needs..but there are those that have their nose shoved so far up a shippers backside..as for sticking together..synthetic oil comes to mind..we used to be a penny or two cheaper..but now its dollars..its not competition but stupidity that drives many in trucking..and they are here today..and gone tomorrow being replaced by 10 new ones..a shipper treats his company as a company..to make a profit..there are some truckers..even some on here that treat trucking as they don't know what..and will do anything to keep those wheels turning..even if they do it for free..but I'll make it up on the next load.and now the new cost cutting plan that a few have come up with..steal other trucks fuel..that's starting to slowly be popular..it is time that truckers start treating trucking as a business and not a hobby.", "contentHtml": "Your attitude is what this industry needs..but there are those that have their nose shoved so far up a shippers backside..as for sticking together..synthetic oil comes to mind..we used to be a penny or two cheaper..but now its dollars..its not competition but stupidity that drives many in trucking..and they are here today..and gone tomorrow being replaced by 10 new ones..a shipper treats his company as a company..to make a profit..there are some truckers..even some on here that treat trucking as they don't know what..and will do anything to keep those wheels turning..even if they do it for free..but I'll make it up on the next load.and now the new cost cutting plan that a few have come up with..steal other trucks fuel..that's starting to slowly be popular..it is time that truckers start treating trucking as a business and not a hobby.", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2010-11-12", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T18:04:26Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 3078, "firstName": "JEFF", "lastName": "PEARSON", "companyName": "C & R TRUCKING INC", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PAYSON", "state": "UT", "userCommentCount": 927, "userLikes": 225, "userDislikes": 94, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32585, "content": "I know what you are saying, that is why I posted the shippers cost without fuel and wages for all to see. I was just going over this with one of my operators who stopped by after I got home from church. I was showing him how even our rate per mile has come down vs. the past four years, to include my first year in the business as a carrier. Once the shippers convinced everybody to start dropping their rates because of fuel, they then went for the whole supply and demand angle and dropped it even more.\n \n I teach my operators that if they don't have enough fuel money when they leave the house to top the tanks off and just come home, they should just stay home in the first place. That is how I run my truck when I am out there driving, and I am shocked that others don't run theirs the same. Nobody and I mean Nobody can make me pull a load that is not going to make my company a profit. When I have an operator that starts whining about the bounce, I bring them in show them the numbers, and let them know that if they want to work for free or worse yet pay to haul the customers product than they are at the wrong place. If they can't function with my business model, I would rather them leave, park the equipment (if it is mine), take my decals off (if it is an owner operator) and head on down the road. They can haul that cheap stuff at some other company, not mine. The cheaper you haul it the cheaper the offers will be. The more you haul it for the more the offers will be, that is my experience anyways.\n \n Some on here think that the shippers and brokers are ticked at my postings, if that was the case then why do they keep asking for our trucks? People do not mind paying more for better service, plain and simple. I am just like the shippers and brokers I would not want to pay a premium rate for a truck that may or may not show up to pick up my freight, or if they do their driver has such a bad attitude that it would ruin the rest of my day, or my favorite a driver that has his/her ass hanging out of some gym shorts and they have not taken a shower since God knows when. If you look and act like you are homeless, then you will receive compensation as such. If you look and act professional then you will receive compensation as such.\n", "contentHtml": "I know what you are saying, that is why I posted the shippers cost without fuel and wages for all to see. I was just going over this with one of my operators who stopped by after I got home from church. I was showing him how even our rate per mile has come down vs. the past four years, to include my first year in the business as a carrier. Once the shippers convinced everybody to start dropping their rates because of fuel, they then went for the whole supply and demand angle and dropped it even more. \r\n \r\nI teach my operators that if they don't have enough fuel money when they leave the house to top the tanks off and just come home, they should just stay home in the first place. That is how I run my truck when I am out there driving, and I am shocked that others don't run theirs the same. Nobody and I mean Nobody can make me pull a load that is not going to make my company a profit. When I have an operator that starts whining about the bounce, I bring them in show them the numbers, and let them know that if they want to work for free or worse yet pay to haul the customers product than they are at the wrong place. If they can't function with my business model, I would rather them leave, park the equipment (if it is mine), take my decals off (if it is an owner operator) and head on down the road. They can haul that cheap stuff at some other company, not mine. The cheaper you haul it the cheaper the offers will be. The more you haul it for the more the offers will be, that is my experience anyways. \r\n \r\nSome on here think that the shippers and brokers are ticked at my postings, if that was the case then why do they keep asking for our trucks? People do not mind paying more for better service, plain and simple. I am just like the shippers and brokers I would not want to pay a premium rate for a truck that may or may not show up to pick up my freight, or if they do their driver has such a bad attitude that it would ruin the rest of my day, or my favorite a driver that has his/her ass hanging out of some gym shorts and they have not taken a shower since God knows when. If you look and act like you are homeless, then you will receive compensation as such. If you look and act professional then you will receive compensation as such. ", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-16T19:54:00Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32589, "content": "The old saying;\n \n Figures don't lie, but liars figure.\n", "contentHtml": "The old saying; \r\n \r\nFigures don't lie, but liars figure. ", "parentReplyId": 32580, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2015-02-22", "dateAdded": "2015-08-17T10:49:13Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 47042, "firstName": "ARNIE", "lastName": "SHEARER", "companyName": "BEST SHOT TRUCKING", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "Excello", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 50, "userLikes": 7, "userDislikes": 3, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 }, { "replyId": 32615, "content": "I believe that I slam more on shippers vs brokers. The brokers often times are limited by what the shippers tell them they are willing to pay.\n \n Example:\n \n A: Shipper tell broker that they want to pay $1.80 per mile, broker takes 20% cut leaving $1.44 per mile to the truck.\n \n B: This is how is should be Truck wants $2.39 broker marks up rate by 20% $2.86 to the shipper.\n \n Shipper should be happy they could not do it themselves any cheaper, broker did their job, and the truck got what they wanted. WIN-WIN-WIN\n \n you could plug any numbers you want in the situations, but either way B is always the best choice.\n \n I never said I hated brokers, we work with brokers every day as well as shippers. My postings have not just been for the trucker but for the broker as well so they could see what they should be bidding the freight at. It is frustrating from both sides when one is pissed at the other and neither know the reason why. Now that the truth is out their for all to see, hopefully some will take it and use it for the good of all concerned.\n \n I believe that it may possibly be too late, no grain reserves left, markets collapsing worldwide, looks like a bad harvest coming up, Wal-Mart is even struggling to make a profit right now. Electronic Logs, Speed Limiters, higher insurance, and whatever else the government can through our way. Pretty bad stuff, hold on and be prudent during these times, many of us will be gone within the next two years.\n \n Good luck to all, I tried", "contentHtml": "I believe that I slam more on shippers vs brokers. The brokers often times are limited by what the shippers tell them they are willing to pay. \r\n \r\nExample: \r\n \r\nA: Shipper tell broker that they want to pay $1.80 per mile, broker takes 20% cut leaving $1.44 per mile to the truck. \r\n \r\nB: This is how is should be Truck wants $2.39 broker marks up rate by 20% $2.86 to the shipper. \r\n \r\nShipper should be happy they could not do it themselves any cheaper, broker did their job, and the truck got what they wanted. WIN-WIN-WIN \r\n \r\nyou could plug any numbers you want in the situations, but either way B is always the best choice. \r\n \r\nI never said I hated brokers, we work with brokers every day as well as shippers. My postings have not just been for the trucker but for the broker as well so they could see what they should be bidding the freight at. It is frustrating from both sides when one is pissed at the other and neither know the reason why. Now that the truth is out their for all to see, hopefully some will take it and use it for the good of all concerned. \r\n \r\nI believe that it may possibly be too late, no grain reserves left, markets collapsing worldwide, looks like a bad harvest coming up, Wal-Mart is even struggling to make a profit right now. Electronic Logs, Speed Limiters, higher insurance, and whatever else the government can through our way. Pretty bad stuff, hold on and be prudent during these times, many of us will be gone within the next two years. \r\n \r\nGood luck to all, I tried", "parentReplyId": null, "thumbUrl": "", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "dateAdded": "2015-08-19T12:37:39Z", "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "approved": 1, "userId": 11426, "firstName": "ALFRED", "lastName": "JORDAN", "companyName": "POWERHOUSE TRANSPORTATION, LLC ", "email": "[email protected]", "city": "PECULIAR", "state": "MO", "userCommentCount": 1182, "userLikes": 206, "userDislikes": 6, "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0 } ], "userDislikes": 6, "signUpDate": "2013-06-26", "avatarThumbUrl": "https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.bulkloads.com/user_files/profile/thumbs/default.png", "links": [], "files": [], "iLike": 0, "iDislike": 0, "iSubscribe": 0 }

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How much does it cost a shipper to run their own equipment?

Posted on Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:37 PM CST in PECULIAR, MO