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May 17, 2017 at 08:19 AM CST
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A interesting website.
Replied on Wed, May 17, 2017 at 08:23 AM CST
whats interesting about it ?

Replied on Wed, May 17, 2017 at 08:44 AM CST
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Sounds real dreamy...lol...I saw a site like this that a shipper by the name of Maverick Tube in Blytheville AR had.... Talk about bidding wars. Good luck with it.
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 07:21 AM CST
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be really nice if they have it where you can actually see what outfit is bidding what.... so that everyone can see the lowballers.....
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 07:47 AM CST
Technology and the internet have changed the way folks do business. They laughed at amazon and eBay at first, and said it would never work. At a time where the carriers have been squeezed right to the breaking point and need a higher rate to survive, yet the shipper is unwilling to pay more, something has to give somewhere, is this the last place left to trim the fat? Is this deregulation merging with technology reaching its logical conclusion? Trucks without drivers and shippers without brokers?
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 08:15 AM CST
well , while i dunno about the trucks without drivers part...... i can definitely see and understand the shippers without brokers part. and to be honest.... really think the abscense of brokers would even the market and improve rates and the ability to do business.
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 08:45 AM CST
I've stopped even looking at these. The first one that I see a comment from a real carrier that says "this WORKS! you need to get on board" I'm all over it. I'm still waiting for that to happen and not a bunch of media hype about this is the next big thing for carriers to work directly with shippers.
I've tried a bunch of the "cut out the broker" platforms, usually the free 30-day to see what's what. I do specialized/OSOW so it's different than bulk or flat- bigger $'s per load & easier to track "out there".
They.Don't.Work.
At least for me
Guaranteed I'll get a "you were not low bidder" and it will show up on the boards from a broker at waaaaay lower $ than the true carriers bids. What happened to the no-broker thing?
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 09:09 AM CST
Not that long ago, if you wanted to buy or sell stock, you had to jump in your car and drive down to a brick and mortar place, and visit your local stock broker. Today you just go online and use e-trade.
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:06 AM CST
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Don't get me wrong- I'm not bashing these "eliminate the broker" e-projects for spot freight. Eventually, sometime, maybe, one will get traction. WE want them, as small carriers- but it's going to be a tough row to hoe. The e-revolution has already happened in trucking: DAT, ITS, BulkLoads, FlatLoads, etc. Brokers sitting in front of computers moving freight, real time load updates, available trucks, rock bottom pricing. It's the Amazon/eBay/eTrade of the freight industry. It works for the shippers most of the time or they would be screaming louder than the carriers and flocking to these projects.

I think it's looking through the wrong end of the telescope comparing using some of these examples-
Amazon? Crushed small/local book stores when he started. Someone comes up with "Eliminate Amazon, go direct and buy books". Probably not going to end well.
eTrade? Crushed the local stock broker. I know nothing about buying stocks, but someone can come up with a "Eliminate eTrade, go direct and.."
eBay? .....
What's crushing the small carrier?

I've lost almost all of my local contracts. Why? Because if the Internet! With 40,000million trucks a day all over North America connected & looking for loads real-time the shipper can go to a broker and find a truck that will 'back-haul' the loads for way less than I will. Click. Done. You are trying to make a living going up against a guy trying to pay for fuel to get home to Pig Poke, USA or reposition to a "good area".

Just my .02
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM CST
Originally Posted by: XXXXX XXXXX
Quote: "Don't get me wrong- I'm not bashing these "eliminate the broker" e-projects for spot freight. Eventually, sometime, maybe, one will get traction. WE want them, as small carriers- but it's going to be a tough row to hoe. The e-revolution has already happened in trucking: DAT, ITS, BulkLoads, FlatLoads, etc. Brokers sitting in front of computers moving freight, real time load updates, available trucks, rock bottom pricing. It's the Amazon/eBay/eTrade of the freight industry. It works for the shippers most of the time or they would be screaming louder than the carriers and flocking to these projects.I think it's looking through the wrong end of the telescope comparing using some of these examples- Amazon? Crushed small/local book stores when he started. Someone comes up with "Eliminate Amazon, go direct and buy books". Probably not going to end well.eTrade? Crushed the local stock broker. I know nothing about buying stocks, but someone can come up with a "Eliminate eTrade, go direct and.."eBay? .....What's crushing the small carrier?I've lost almost all of my local contracts. Why? Because if the Internet! With 40,000million trucks a day all over North America connected & looking for loads real-time the shipper can go to a broker and find a truck that will 'back-haul' the loads for way less than I will. Click. Done. You are trying to make a living going up against a guy trying to pay for fuel to get home to Pig Poke, USA or reposition to a "good area".Just my .02"

They appear to have traction, because all of the people who work there are generating a paycheck for themselves by moving freight. That said I can't help but feel that there is something seriously wrong with the picture, when there is no longer enough money to go around for all parties involved. If you cut the broker out today who does the shipper cut out tomorrow ?
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:10 PM CST
just what you said , trying to make a living up against a guy trying to buy fuel or get home or something like that. there are tons of guys out here that only know one thing..... dial 1-800 truck broker and just say yes to whatever because it moves the truck and if the truck is movong then its making money , right ? ain't that how it works , rollin wheels equals rollin dollars ??........that sad part is , thats the type things that not only puts the dumbasses out of business but it drags some of the actual business men down with them. i have loaded product beside other drivers before that were hauling thru a broker for half of what i was getting where all they would have had to do was call the shipper direct and would have gladly been loaded , with not only a better rate but much faster pay , than thru a broker...... but...... too may guys ether choose to or have chosen to get into a business they know nothing about and then find themselves scrambling so hard to try to pay notes and bills they have no time to learn anything about thier business or the most efficient way to operate as well as no time to go out and actually find ligitmate or direct customers.
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:24 PM CST
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We’ve been working on a rate request system where you as a verified carrier can request rates on specific loads with a click of a button, or request to be added to a shipper’s ‘trusted list’ to gain access to their non-public load list.

Would also adding the ability to send rate bids on a load be useful?

Any feedback is appreciated!

Thanks,
BulkLoads.com
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 01:35 PM CST
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Matt , I feel that would be a very nice time saveing deal , to be albe to check the rate and post rates , but it can also be another tool for the broker , carrier and shipper to find out the rate of that lane and cut the rate to get the work , so i have mix feeling about this ideal
thanks
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 02:21 PM CST
A rate index would definitely change things up. As a broker, something similar to DAT Rate Index for van/reefer/flat is preferred. They show loads posted v trucks posted, recent price trends, price history, etc. it keeps us in tune with seasonal changes in AZ for example. I've had more than one lane that I thought was priced great for bulk, only to find out I was $0.60/ mile cheap for one reason or another. Loser soup is my least favorite meal.
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 05:37 PM CST
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i watched their video 3 times, here are some questions:

1. how do they make their money? Who pays for this service?
2. the incentive to book cheap trucks is more than apparent, but do i, as the shipper want cheap trucks?
3. how the hell does this help the trucker, this is no more than a glorified load board. And why would i want this company to have access to my customers and information? No thanks.

Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 05:46 PM CST
This is the same sort of vibe I get from uber freight as well. Obviously we get how uber makes its money, but if the shippers solely set the price and there's no avenue for negotiation, then there is no benefit to the carrier. As someone who no longer posts load lists from customers, I expect these things to basically turn into that. Cheap load postings to sort through etc. Now I don't know how other brokers operate, but I don't waste my time quoting outrageously low, I quote for volume. I'd rather get 10 loads that are priced where I know that I can quote them for an easy cover and provide excellent service to the customer then have loads that are too cheap and scrambling at the last minute/push out pickups etc. This is a very interesting time in the industry.
Replied on Thu, May 18, 2017 at 06:00 PM CST
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you know while i like the way you guys talk about negotiating rates etc etc. i have been trucking for 30 yrs and out of that 30 yrs have only hauled direct freight for 22 of it..... and every direct shipper i have hauled for and they have been flatbed , reefer , and hopper shippers have all had their rates set and all have been far better than anything a broker has offered , yup i load right beside broker trucks everyday and discuss rates...... so far i've never had a shipper ask me what i wanted or needed to haul a load each of them have told me what they paid , period. now I'm sure that i'm going to get a lot of feed back where i hear well thats not the case here and there and there has to be negotiation etc etc etc.... maybe my experience has been special or cosmic , i dunno , but i do know that in mine and several others i know , the shipper direct route has been far better than the broker game.
Replied on Fri, May 19, 2017 at 08:19 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "i watched their video 3 times, here are some questions: 1. how do they make their money? Who pays for this service? 2. the incentive to book cheap trucks is more than apparent, but do i, as the shipper want cheap trucks? 3. how the hell does this help the trucker, this is no more than a glorified load board. And why would i want this company to have access to my customers and information? No thanks. "

The website they had up last week was much more detailed than the one that came up this week. The way they make their money is by selling a membership to the shipper. It's not designed for brokers who are looking to post loads and re-broker them. It's designed for shippers who are interested only in getting their product to market, and are tired of only being able to get drivers who don't speak English, because a broker skimmed 50% of the rate off the top. They just don't want to deal with contaminated product, or damaged loads anymore.
Replied on Fri, May 19, 2017 at 03:45 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "The website they had up last week was much more detailed than the one that came up this week. The way they make their money is by selling a membership to the shipper. It's not designed for brokers who are looking to post loads and re-broker them. It's designed for shippers who are interested only in getting their product to market, and are tired of only being able to get drivers who don't speak English, because a broker skimmed 50% of the rate off the top. They just don't want to deal with contaminated product, or damaged loads anymore."

I see that I got a dislike from someone with that last comment. I can only assume that that person thinks that it is ok to steal money from the trucker, and damage the shippers property. Well I would have to wonder why they were too ashamed to reveal themselves ?
Replied on Fri, May 19, 2017 at 07:34 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "you know while i like the way you guys talk about negotiating rates etc etc. i have been trucking for 30 yrs and out of that 30 yrs have only hauled direct freight for 22 of it..... and every direct shipper i have hauled for and they have been flatbed , reefer , and hopper shippers have all had their rates set and all have been far better than anything a broker has offered , yup i load right beside broker trucks everyday and discuss rates...... so far i've never had a shipper ask me what i wanted or needed to haul a load each of them have told me what they paid , period. now I'm sure that i'm going to get a lot of feed back where i hear well thats not the case here and there and there has to be negotiation etc etc etc.... maybe my experience has been special or cosmic , i dunno , but i do know that in mine and several others i know , the shipper direct route has been far better than the broker game."

Kevin I would have to agree with you on that, I have always done my best that way too. However I have made ok money working with the "Right brokers". I have had positive and negative experiences with brokers. I feel that it is extremely unfortunate that the good ones have to take heat, for what the bad ones do. The bad ones are the ones providing ammo to this new business model that is emerging. Nothing pisses a shipper or receiver off more than damaged product, especially when they paid top dollar to a broker to move it, only to find out that he pocketed all the money and skimped on the carrier. The end result is crushed glass mixed in with a load of beans, turkey manure mixed in with a load of corn, chunks of scrap metal mixed in with material going to a concrete plant, or a damaged piece of freight that a customer waited months for, probably coming from over sea's. Everyone here will agree that the quality of driver out here has deteriorated rapidly over recent years. About a third of the nations trucks are parked right now, and a bidding war has now broken out for drivers between the private carriers and the for hire carriers. I recently had a construction company that I have worked with in the past offer me $30.00 bucks an hour, with a full benefit package to come be a company driver for them. As a carrier I could never dream of paying a driver that much, and to find a quality owner operator now is impossible. So how does someone like myself expand their business in this climate?
Replied on Fri, May 19, 2017 at 07:56 PM CST
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why expand , find your bet customer with the best money and grab you a corner and get in it and hang on to it and just ride, thats what I have done. i've gone with my best option and in turn he has seen that he has a good driver in me , so he has put me taking care of his best 2 customers which are also his easiest runs..... i work 3 1/2 to 4 days a week now , although my gross revenue is not what some guys out here are boasting my profit margin is thru the roof, off 3 days a week and life is good. get your gravy train workin and sit back and watch the comedy unfold around you and enjoy it for a change.
Replied on Fri, May 19, 2017 at 09:06 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "why expand , find your bet customer with the best money and grab you a corner and get in it and hang on to it and just ride, thats what I have done. i've gone with my best option and in turn he has seen that he has a good driver in me , so he has put me taking care of his best 2 customers which are also his easiest runs..... i work 3 1/2 to 4 days a week now , although my gross revenue is not what some guys out here are boasting my profit margin is thru the roof, off 3 days a week and life is good. get your gravy train workin and sit back and watch the comedy unfold around you and enjoy it for a change."

The only reason I would want to expand, is so that I could live the same quality of life that a well paid company driver enjoys working for a private carrier. Some of these guys moving equipment for a construction company are seasonal workers, and are making over 100k a year. They work about 7 months, and with their overtime and unemployment come out at that figure, not to mention the benefit package they enjoy. You would think that a individual with their own authority and equipment would be able to match that, but I'm not even close.
Replied on Sat, May 20, 2017 at 08:40 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "The only reason I would want to expand, is so that I could live the same quality of life that a well paid company driver enjoys working for a private carrier. Some of these guys moving equipment for a construction company are seasonal workers, and are making over 100k a year. They work about 7 months, and with their overtime and unemployment come out at that figure, not to mention the benefit package they enjoy. You would think that a individual with their own authority and equipment would be able to match that, but I'm not even close. "

I hear you there! I've got a buddy that runs dumps & lowboys locally & I don't brag to him about all the coin I make running lowboy Interstate. I can be a fill-in driver for him when he needs it between my direct customer loads & make $52.70/hr (P/W), leave my rig parked & laugh at the "good" rates offered. Shut the drivers door on his truck, walk away, get home, look at my rig parked in the shop, and ask myself "why?".
Replied on Sat, May 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM CST
Originally Posted by: STEVEN PRESTON
Quote: "A rate index would definitely change things up. As a broker, something similar to DAT Rate Index for van/reefer/flat is preferred. They show loads posted v trucks posted, recent price trends, price history, etc. it keeps us in tune with seasonal changes in AZ for example. I've had more than one lane that I thought was priced great for bulk, only to find out I was $0.60/ mile cheap for one reason or another. Loser soup is my least favorite meal. "

Bear with me, this is extreme because it's specialized compared to van/flat/etc.-

Last week I did a bid for a direct shipper OS/OW with a "target rate" of $12,500 (rediculously low). I got to see the final quote sheet. I was $22,500; a carrier with company trucks & O/O's- $24,000 company & $21,500 O/O; 3 brokers at $12k-$18k. They gave it to one of the brokers. I've completely given up saying "it will never move for that", because it probally will (or hopefully I'll get it later as a JIT for big$$!)- but with over $7k in permits and escorts/pilots, off-route miles, etc. it's going negative cash flow running legal.

Now here is the rub- if I or the other carrier got the loads at the higher price direct that wouldn't show on the rate index, only the brokers #'s at a price so low neither of us would even consider looking at anything priced using that index. If the broker can't move it and the shipper comes back to us at the higher rate, does that offered price still get included in an average offered price index?
Replied on Tue, May 23, 2017 at 07:56 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "be really nice if they have it where you can actually see what outfit is bidding what.... so that everyone can see the lowballers....."

on u ship it you actaully can see their ,name ,company and bid
Replied on Tue, May 23, 2017 at 08:10 PM CST
Originally Posted by: XXXXX XXXXX
Quote: "Bear with me, this is extreme because it's specialized compared to van/flat/etc.-Last week I did a bid for a direct shipper OS/OW with a "target rate" of $12,500 (rediculously low). I got to see the final quote sheet. I was $22,500; a carrier with company trucks & O/O's- $24,000 company & $21,500 O/O; 3 brokers at $12k-$18k. They gave it to one of the brokers. I've completely given up saying "it will never move for that", because it probally will (or hopefully I'll get it later as a JIT for big$$!)- but with over $7k in permits and escorts/pilots, off-route miles, etc. it's going negative cash flow running legal.Now here is the rub- if I or the other carrier got the loads at the higher price direct that wouldn't show on the rate index, only the brokers #'s at a price so low neither of us would even consider looking at anything priced using that index. If the broker can't move it and the shipper comes back to us at the higher rate, does that offered price still get included in an average offered price index?"

You're right on for oversized. I was replying to the Bulkloads.com rate index post. Actually truckstop.com does have oversized rate index. As of now we don't broker for oversized. For bulk I think it would be very useful.