New vs old

Feb 08, 2021 at 03:08 PM CST + 10
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. What's everyone's thoughts on a new vs truck for running east coast to Rocky's. 32-3500 miles a week. I've got a good paid for truck but it's definitely not set up for otr work. Small hp, direct 10 and 4.10 rears. I've having a hard time deciding to buy a new truck or another older truck, that's spec's are better for me. Just looking for opinions

Replied on Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 08:54 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Personally I would buy an older pete with e model cat

Replied on Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 09:45 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. It's always been said if you can't make the payments work with a new truck, then it won't work with a used one either. But with the price of these new ones it's quite a bit of money to get in the seat. If your gonna go with something just broke in under 300k miles maybe it'd be better than new. The older trucks will do just fine and should have less issue of they're pre Def,but there's a bigger price tag on them than what should be considering age and miles. It'd be up to what you and your financial backer can justify honestly. If you make it to the rockies you might wanna go to the other side eventually so keep that in mind.

Replied on Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 09:45 AM CST

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It's always been said if you can't make the payments work with a new truck, then it won't work with a used one either. But with the price of these new ones it's quite a bit of money to get in the seat. If your gonna go with something just broke in under 300k miles maybe it'd be better than new. The older trucks will do just fine and should have less issue of they're pre Def,but there's a bigger price tag on them than what should be considering age and miles. It'd be up to what you and your financial backer can justify honestly. If you make it to the rockies you might wanna go to the other side eventually so keep that in mind.

Replied on Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 08:17 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. If it is a good truck, it would be easier and cheaper to modify it to work out. First off, it can’t be a direct transmission with 4.10 rear ends...max speed would be around 45 mph. It could be a direct with 3.07, or regular overdrive with 4.10. It’s a lot of work getting a truck old or new setup how you want it and everything in working order.

Replied on Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 08:20 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I’d have the power turned up, then re-gear it using salvaged gear sets. It’s pretty easy to swap out the pumpkin gear sets. The other option is to keep it under 65 mph. Older engines, especially if it’s a “small engine” don’t mind higher RPM’s, in fact generally you don’t want to run them under 1400 RPM. Usually 1400-1800 RPM is acceptable with little fuel economy impact.

Replied on Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 08:20 AM CST

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I’d have the power turned up, then re-gear it using salvaged gear sets. It’s pretty easy to swap out the pumpkin gear sets. The other option is to keep it under 65 mph. Older engines, especially if it’s a “small engine” don’t mind higher RPM’s, in fact generally you don’t want to run them under 1400 RPM. Usually 1400-1800 RPM is acceptable with little fuel economy impact.

Replied on Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 02:08 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Go explore new trucks and the financial end of it. Switching old trucks takes more money then people realize and all you have is an overpriced old truck. Fixing minor things isnt bad but can still go in the wrong direction fast. My advice is to be informed by your own fact finding and make a smart move. Also talk to your accountant and see what works best. At the moment my old truck is getting painted and fixing lots of minor issues and I am renting an old truck with a very thirsty cat. My cummins makes almost 6mpg running hard local so run that figure as well figuring 500k miles at 3 dollar fuel.

Replied on Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 02:08 PM CST

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Go explore new trucks and the financial end of it. Switching old trucks takes more money then people realize and all you have is an overpriced old truck. Fixing minor things isnt bad but can still go in the wrong direction fast. My advice is to be informed by your own fact finding and make a smart move. Also talk to your accountant and see what works best. At the moment my old truck is getting painted and fixing lots of minor issues and I am renting an old truck with a very thirsty cat. My cummins makes almost 6mpg running hard local so run that figure as well figuring 500k miles at 3 dollar fuel.

Replied on Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 09:53 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. For many years I was a.new truck every 5 years guy.but that in my opinion has changed because of the EPA regs.def computers truck cost , shop charges,the list goes on. My feeling is if you take a a pre 2000 Pete or kW go through it rebuild it or make sure all systems are good . You will have a truck that will make you money. The motor should be a cat 3406 b-c-or e model. That's my opinion.

Replied on Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 09:53 AM CST

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For many years I was a.new truck every 5 years guy.but that in my opinion has changed because of the EPA regs.def computers truck cost , shop charges,the list goes on. My feeling is if you take a a pre 2000 Pete or kW go through it rebuild it or make sure all systems are good . You will have a truck that will make you money. The motor should be a cat 3406 b-c-or e model. That's my opinion.

Replied on Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 02:00 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I’ve been going over the pros and con’s of new(er) vs old. Look, we’d all love a 1990’s 379 or W900 with a big Cat 2WS. And that’s what EVERYBODY who isn’t spending your money will tell you to go buy. Right now “old” truck prices are insane. But much like cheap paying loads, some fools are overpaying for equipment. Realistically, your going to spend the money in maintenance with an older one versus payment on a newer one. Either way you should be putting aside for maintenance. As for the exhaust system stuff, if you maintain them as manufacturers suggest they’ll be fine. As far as financing (if you need to) a newer truck will be easier. Lower interest rates, more banks willing, cheaper insurance. That is my experience based on months of research trying to make the same decision. Bottom line, if you have your own authority and your own contract customers and cash in hand go buy an old truck. If you want more option and opportunities (like leasing to others) get something newer. In the end it depends on your business plan (you should have one) and your 1yr, 5yr and 10yr goals.

Replied on Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 02:00 PM CST

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I’ve been going over the pros and con’s of new(er) vs old. Look, we’d all love a 1990’s 379 or W900 with a big Cat 2WS. And that’s what EVERYBODY who isn’t spending your money will tell you to go buy. Right now “old” truck prices are insane. But much like cheap paying loads, some fools are overpaying for equipment. Realistically, your going to spend the money in maintenance with an older one versus payment on a newer one. Either way you should be putting aside for maintenance. As for the exhaust system stuff, if you maintain them as manufacturers suggest they’ll be fine. As far as financing (if you need to) a newer truck will be easier. Lower interest rates, more banks willing, cheaper insurance. That is my experience based on months of research trying to make the same decision. Bottom line, if you have your own authority and your own contract customers and cash in hand go buy an old truck. If you want more option and opportunities (like leasing to others) get something newer. In the end it depends on your business plan (you should have one) and your 1yr, 5yr and 10yr goals.

Replied on Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 07:44 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I’ve been going over the pros and con’s of new(er) vs old. Look, we’d all love a 1990’s 379 or W900 with a big Cat 2WS. And that’s what EVERYBODY who isn’t spending your money will tell you to go buy. Right now “old” truck prices are insane. But much like cheap paying loads, some fools are overpaying for equipment. Realistically, your going to spend the money in maintenance with an older one versus payment on a newer one. Either way you should be putting aside for maintenance. As for the exhaust system stuff, if you maintain them as manufacturers suggest they’ll be fine. As far as financing (if you need to) a newer truck will be easier. Lower interest rates, more banks willing, cheaper insurance. That is my experience based on months of research trying to make the same decision. Bottom line, if you have your own authority and your own contract customers and cash in hand go buy an old truck. If you want more option and opportunities (like leasing to others) get something newer. In the end it depends on your business plan (you should have one) and your 1yr, 5yr and 10yr goals." You sound like a guy that knows something. Do you happen to know a ballpark figure on what insurance on a new truck costs ? 165k truck surely has a hi insurance premium I would think. Like op , I am deciding old/new.

Replied on Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 07:44 AM CST

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Quote: "I’ve been going over the pros and con’s of new(er) vs old. Look, we’d all love a 1990’s 379 or W900 with a big Cat 2WS. And that’s what EVERYBODY who isn’t spending your money will tell you to go buy. Right now “old” truck prices are insane. But much like cheap paying loads, some fools are overpaying for equipment. Realistically, your going to spend the money in maintenance with an older one versus payment on a newer one. Either way you should be putting aside for maintenance. As for the exhaust system stuff, if you maintain them as manufacturers suggest they’ll be fine. As far as financing (if you need to) a newer truck will be easier. Lower interest rates, more banks willing, cheaper insurance. That is my experience based on months of research trying to make the same decision. Bottom line, if you have your own authority and your own contract customers and cash in hand go buy an old truck. If you want more option and opportunities (like leasing to others) get something newer. In the end it depends on your business plan (you should have one) and your 1yr, 5yr and 10yr goals."

You sound like a guy that knows something.

Do you happen to know a ballpark figure on what insurance on a new truck costs ? 165k truck surely has a hi insurance premium I would think.

Like op , I am deciding old/new.

Replied on Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 03:06 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. There is a guy in ne in the classifieds selling 2017 freightliners with 450k miles and full delete. 44k. That is not bad at all. That delete if done properly will give you way better mpg and power. No more egr, dpf , def problems. My last job we deleted all our trucks. I would not own a truck with emmision crap on it. But then depends on where you run. Don't want to get caught in some states

Replied on Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 03:06 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

There is a guy in ne in the classifieds selling 2017 freightliners with 450k miles and full delete. 44k.

That is not bad at all. That delete if done properly will give you way better mpg and power. No more egr, dpf , def problems. My last job we deleted all our trucks. I would not own a truck with emmision crap on it. But then depends on where you run. Don't want to get caught in some states

Replied on Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 05:37 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I’ve been going over the pros and con’s of new(er) vs old. Look, we’d all love a 1990’s 379 or W900 with a big Cat 2WS. And that’s what EVERYBODY who isn’t spending your money will tell you to go buy. Right now “old” truck prices are insane. But much like cheap paying loads, some fools are overpaying for equipment. Realistically, your going to spend the money in maintenance with an older one versus payment on a newer one. Either way you should be putting aside for maintenance. As for the exhaust system stuff, if you maintain them as manufacturers suggest they’ll be fine. As far as financing (if you need to) a newer truck will be easier. Lower interest rates, more banks willing, cheaper insurance. That is my experience based on months of research trying to make the same decision. Bottom line, if you have your own authority and your own contract customers and cash in hand go buy an old truck. If you want more option and opportunities (like leasing to others) get something newer. In the end it depends on your business plan (you should have one) and your 1yr, 5yr and 10yr goals." Insurance on that new authority is real high. 5k vs 25 or more .

Replied on Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 05:37 PM CST

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Insurance on that new authority is real high. 5k vs 25 or more .