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People are getting desperate.

Feb 10, 2017 at 08:04 AM CST
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Local guys are lined up like crazy to haul for under $1.50 mile to a place they know has atleast a 2 hour lineup. A couple are getting backhauls but most aren't. Even the guy giving out the loads says it is too cheap but people will do it for that so that is where he will keep the rates. It started out as a rate for guys who were using it as a backhauls but eventually the scavengers showed up and are doing it roundtrip with no backhauls. Lol I don't agree with the term backhaul rate but whatever I guess. I need to get these guys to haul my grain for me, since they can do it cheaper than I can without paying myself. Then again i don't know if I trust them enough to get my grain to location for me.
Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:59 AM CST
CLINT,
THE TRUCKS HAULING THESE LOADS, DID YOU NOTICE IF THEY ARE RUNNING FARM TAGS OR K TAGS FOR HIRE?
HERE AT HOME THE FARMERS RUNNING FARM TAGS AND HAULING COMMERCAL IS KILLING THE HOPPER RATES, BUT THE POLITICS BETWEEN THE LEGISLATURES AND THE BIG ELEVATORS AND FARMERS MAKES THE LAWS PROHIBITING IT -MUTE.
Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM CST
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It is easier to go broke at home... than it is out on the road.. if you think you can make it up in miles.. you cant..but this cheap load will move me to a better area.. is that not whst you thought when you took that load to get you where you are now?
Really funny thing .. if everybody refused to take that cheap load.. soon it will not be a cheap load...
Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 03:58 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVID WARREN
Quote: "CLINT, THE TRUCKS HAULING THESE LOADS, DID YOU NOTICE IF THEY ARE RUNNING FARM TAGS OR K TAGS FOR HIRE? HERE AT HOME THE FARMERS RUNNING FARM TAGS AND HAULING COMMERCAL IS KILLING THE HOPPER RATES, BUT THE POLITICS BETWEEN THE LEGISLATURES AND THE BIG ELEVATORS AND FARMERS MAKES THE LAWS PROHIBITING IT -MUTE."

If you know a farmer is hauling for hire without tags , insurance or MC/DOT #s document everything you can even take pictures if you can. Turn them in to the corporation
commission of that state. A farmer hauling for hire is theft . Same as if I went to a farm loaded grain and took it to town and sold it. There is no difference between someone
stealing the service I provide or someone stealing the product a farmer provides. Turn there asses in!!!!!
Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:56 PM CST
Nope they either run apportioned or county commercial plates. The company also requires them to have plenty of insurance to haul for them. I know this because I haul for them too. That is when their rates used to be better. People just don't realize what it actually costs to run a truck I guess.
Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:44 PM CST
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Well most of your shippers know what it cost to run a truck. Good Lord, they run multi-million dollar facilities. It is the truckers themselves that have very few clues. I have stated the answers with profit margins, how to arrive at the elusive rate per mile that everybody thinks is magic. Hell I even created an app for them to use, noooooo you can lead a horse to water but you just can't force it to drink.
Replied on Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 07:59 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Well most of your shippers know what it cost to run a truck. Good Lord, they run multi-million dollar facilities. It is the truckers themselves that have very few clues. I have stated the answers with profit margins, how to arrive at the elusive rate per mile that everybody thinks is magic. Hell I even created an app for them to use, noooooo you can lead a horse to water but you just can't force it to drink."

No disrespect Scott but I don't think shippers have a clue what it costs to run a truck and trying to explain what profit actually is seems to bounce off their head most days.
Replied on Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 10:05 AM CST
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JASON,
THEY MAY NOT KNOW OR CARE WHAT IT COST TO SHIP THEIR PRODUCTS, BUT THEY KNOW (ENOUGHT) THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO RUN THEIR OWN TRUCKS. THAT IS AN EXPENSE, PROBLEMS, AND LIABILITY FAR AND ABOVE ANYTHINK THEY WANT FOR THEMSELVES. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUBER OF TIMES I'VE BEEN TOLD "WE USED TO RUN ARE OWN TRUCKS BUT GOT OUT RID OF THEM"
Replied on Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 11:11 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Well most of your shippers know what it cost to run a truck. Good Lord, they run multi-million dollar facilities. It is the truckers themselves that have very few clues. I have stated the answers with profit margins, how to arrive at the elusive rate per mile that everybody thinks is magic. Hell I even created an app for them to use, noooooo you can lead a horse to water but you just can't force it to drink."

ALFRED I HAVE SEEN CASES WHERE THE SHIPPER, FLEET ONWER, LEASE COMPANY, AND OR TRUCK DEALERSHIP WERE ALL IN IT TOGETHER ON LEASE PURCHASE PROGRAMS AND BASICALLY END UP GETTING SLAVE LABOR WORKING FOR THEM AND THEY ARE ROLLING IN MONEY
Replied on Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 12:45 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JASON BAIRD
Quote: "No disrespect Scott but I don't think shippers have a clue what it costs to run a truck and trying to explain what profit actually is seems to bounce off their head most days."

Most shippers know what it takes to run a truck. Don't let them get by with the dumb and dumber act. If they honestly don't know then you need to be worried about their check staying good. Anybody with the exception of us truckers and farmers usually run projections on profits on a regular basis. When I was the shipper I knew every penny it took to run my business. I had my own trucks as well, the only reason MS Carriers got the bid was they beat my cost by .10 per mile and they reduced my exposure as well. I did not take the cheapest bid (that was JB Hunt). I choose MS Carriers because the majority of their fleet were owner operator. I had gotton tired of the previous company and their company drivers being late. My parent company was pissed at first that I did not recontract with the cheapest guy. I reminded them that I could run my frachise my way in that aspect. My profit margins went up because of the better service. I no longer was refunding my customers for late deliveries. That location was only making $3000.00 per month profit when I bought it. Within 6 months I had it making $30,000 per month profit. The biggest reason was dumping the cheap ass unreliable carrier that seemed to not give a damn about me the customer. You know the ild expression you get what you pay for, well it is true.
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Replied on Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 12:46 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: CHRISTOPHER STIER
Quote: "ALFRED I HAVE SEEN CASES WHERE THE SHIPPER, FLEET ONWER, LEASE COMPANY, AND OR TRUCK DEALERSHIP WERE ALL IN IT TOGETHER ON LEASE PURCHASE PROGRAMS AND BASICALLY END UP GETTING SLAVE LABOR WORKING FOR THEM AND THEY ARE ROLLING IN MONEY"

That is the greedmonster full at work there.
Replied on Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 09:05 AM CST
I'm seeing this here in Ohio, as well fellows. The big companys are buying up the smaller elevators, and put their own leased trucks and trailers, with slave drivers, instead of owner operators. Herman
Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 07:24 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: JASON BAIRD
Quote: "No disrespect Scott but I don't think shippers have a clue what it costs to run a truck and trying to explain what profit actually is seems to bounce off their head most days."

Heck Jason there are a BUNCH of owner operators out there that don't have a clue what it cost to run a truck, and until they figure out their running cost alot will not change in the rates they are getting!
Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 08:36 AM CST
Glenn,
I see you are from Fremont, NE. Load just posted---AR. to NE---714 miles---$45.00/ton---50000# load---(WASHOUT REG)---=$1.48/mile loaded---bounce would vary.
How many of your neighbers are going to take that load to get home? My bounce is 8 miles to get the load and I won't even give it a consideration, I'm upset that the broker would post the load with that (posted rate)--Why would he post it?--Because someone is going to haul it for him, ice, snow, washout doesen't matter someone running will pull that load. Could you tell me what loads are paying coming south that allows someone to haul for $1.48 less bounce to get back to get another one?
Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 09:30 AM CST
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Another AR to NE load just posted---872 miles $48/ton---= $1.37/mile - bounce--Who is pulling these loads?
Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 02:21 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVID WARREN
Quote: "Another AR to NE load just posted---872 miles $48/ton---= $1.37/mile - bounce--Who is pulling these loads?"

"Welcome " to broke loads .com, I'm sure you could get down to 80 cents if you looked hard enough...
Replied on Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 06:59 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVID WARREN
Quote: "Glenn, I see you are from Fremont, NE. Load just posted---AR. to NE---714 miles---$45.00/ton---50000# load---(WASHOUT REG)---=$1.48/mile loaded---bounce would vary. How many of your neighbers are going to take that load to get home? My bounce is 8 miles to get the load and I won't even give it a consideration, I'm upset that the broker would post the load with that (posted rate)--Why would he post it?--Because someone is going to haul it for him, ice, snow, washout doesen't matter someone running will pull that load. Could you tell me what loads are paying coming south that allows someone to haul for $1.48 less bounce to get back to get another one? "

There isn't much of anything going down your way, would probably be lucky to get $1.75 to head back your way. Why the broker would post the rate, he knows there is someone out there that does not no his cost of running his truck and he is desperate!