Question on Bug Infested Loads

Jul 17, 2023 at 04:35 PM CST + 7 - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. This question came from a shipping company if anyone can help answer: We are seeing bugs from venders that are saying they have no bugs at their facility. These trucks are washed at a certified washout facility. Question is can they be held on a rolled tarp or in the gates? Or is there no possibility these could be coming from a washed trailer? Also wondering could a trailer be infested during transit? Please let me know if you have any thoughts. Thank you.

Replied on Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 06:53 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I had a load a few weeks back that had bugs in it. I wont name names but will say it was meal goin to a dog food outfit. Trailer was washed and ive never seen the type of bugs that were in the samples. They accepted the load. Its the only time ive ever had this happen. I was shocked they took the load.

Replied on Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 06:54 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. This is why I never haul animal by-products. Once you haul something like that you can't easily get it out, even with a washout. Tarps are near impossible to wash completely. You can't really trust a certified washout. For example, I chatted with another O/O a few months back while waiting in line to load that had just hauled animal by-products. When I told him he needed a washout he replied that he didnt like paying for washouts, so he had picked up a stack of washout tickets somewhere and just keeps them in his truck in case he needed them..... So the best way for a shipper to protect their loads is to have someone inspect the trailer prior to loading. If it looks like blood or smells like death don't load it.

Replied on Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 06:54 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

This is why I never haul animal by-products. Once you haul something like that you can't easily get it out, even with a washout. Tarps are near impossible to wash completely.

You can't really trust a certified washout. For example, I chatted with another O/O a few months back while waiting in line to load that had just hauled animal by-products. When I told him he needed a washout he replied that he didnt like paying for washouts, so he had picked up a stack of washout tickets somewhere and just keeps them in his truck in case he needed them.....

So the best way for a shipper to protect their loads is to have someone inspect the trailer prior to loading. If it looks like blood or smells like death don't load it.

Replied on Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 03:11 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. A lot depends on the product and how long it has been in storate. On animal by products flies can lay eggs in the product and they can hatch while in transit. Nothing will show on a sample at origin but they can sure hatch out in transit. It is harvest season right now and the same thing can happen. Bugs and eggs can come into the elevator from the harvest field. You can clean and scalp the grain all you want but if the eggs haven't hatched out they can potentially hatch in transit. You can fumigate a bin and kill the live bugs but it is tough to kil the egg. In a short amount of time the eggs hatch and you have a new infestation.

Replied on Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 03:11 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

A lot depends on the product and how long it has been in storate. On animal by products flies can lay eggs in the product and they can hatch while in transit. Nothing will show on a sample at origin but they can sure hatch out in transit. It is harvest season right now and the same thing can happen. Bugs and eggs can come into the elevator from the harvest field. You can clean and scalp the grain all you want but if the eggs haven't hatched out they can potentially hatch in transit. You can fumigate a bin and kill the live bugs but it is tough to kil the egg. In a short amount of time the eggs hatch and you have a new infestation.

Replied on Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 09:03 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "This is why I never haul animal by-products. Once you haul something like that you can't easily get it out, even with a washout. Tarps are near impossible to wash completely. You can't really trust a certified washout. For example, I chatted with another O/O a few months back while waiting in line to load that had just hauled animal by-products. When I told him he needed a washout he replied that he didnt like paying for washouts, so he had picked up a stack of washout tickets somewhere and just keeps them in his truck in case he needed them..... So the best way for a shipper to protect their loads is to have someone inspect the trailer prior to loading. If it looks like blood or smells like death don't load it. " Another solution would be for this stuff to be hauled at a decent rate. Trucks driving down the price of these specialty products, that they have no knowledge of, has created a time of dishonesty. These loads, generally, require a washout before and after and it also creates a long list of feed that can't be hauled after. But that's $100-150 in washout fees, also there can be absurd wait times at these locations. I can say don't lie, until I'm blue in the face...but it won't stop the dishonest folk from being dishonest, but you might be able to persuade them into getting the appropriate washout with some more cheddar. This is assuming said trucker/broker is any good at netogiating a decent rate. I do agree that the shipper should place some more protections to ensure their product is up to snuff, but if you want quality trucks that treat your freight like their own....then you tend to pay a little more for it. Just my 2 cents.

Replied on Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 09:03 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "This is why I never haul animal by-products. Once you haul something like that you can't easily get it out, even with a washout. Tarps are near impossible to wash completely. You can't really trust a certified washout. For example, I chatted with another O/O a few months back while waiting in line to load that had just hauled animal by-products. When I told him he needed a washout he replied that he didnt like paying for washouts, so he had picked up a stack of washout tickets somewhere and just keeps them in his truck in case he needed them..... So the best way for a shipper to protect their loads is to have someone inspect the trailer prior to loading. If it looks like blood or smells like death don't load it. "

Another solution would be for this stuff to be hauled at a decent rate. Trucks driving down the price of these specialty products, that they have no knowledge of, has created a time of dishonesty. These loads, generally, require a washout before and after and it also creates a long list of feed that can't be hauled after. But that's $100-150 in washout fees, also there can be absurd wait times at these locations. I can say don't lie, until I'm blue in the face...but it won't stop the dishonest folk from being dishonest, but you might be able to persuade them into getting the appropriate washout with some more cheddar. This is assuming said trucker/broker is any good at netogiating a decent rate.

I do agree that the shipper should place some more protections to ensure their product is up to snuff, but if you want quality trucks that treat your freight like their own....then you tend to pay a little more for it. Just my 2 cents.

Replied on Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 09:09 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I had a load a few weeks back that had bugs in it. I wont name names but will say it was meal goin to a dog food outfit. Trailer was washed and ive never seen the type of bugs that were in the samples. They accepted the load. Its the only time ive ever had this happen. I was shocked they took the load." We had the same issue and my truck was held hostage for several days during fumigation. I would bet a Harley for a Honda it was the shipper. How can all these trucks have issues with the same load from the same facility? The carrier pays for it in the end as we aren't worth anything and it's our obligation to just take it on the chin. I will never haul another load from that facility again.

Replied on Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 09:09 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "I had a load a few weeks back that had bugs in it. I wont name names but will say it was meal goin to a dog food outfit. Trailer was washed and ive never seen the type of bugs that were in the samples. They accepted the load. Its the only time ive ever had this happen. I was shocked they took the load."

We had the same issue and my truck was held hostage for several days during fumigation. I would bet a Harley for a Honda it was the shipper. How can all these trucks have issues with the same load from the same facility? The carrier pays for it in the end as we aren't worth anything and it's our obligation to just take it on the chin.

I will never haul another load from that facility again.

Replied on Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 06:57 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: " Another solution would be for this stuff to be hauled at a decent rate. Trucks driving down the price of these specialty products, that they have no knowledge of, has created a time of dishonesty. These loads, generally, require a washout before and after and it also creates a long list of feed that can't be hauled after. But that's $100-150 in washout fees, also there can be absurd wait times at these locations. I can say don't lie, until I'm blue in the face...but it won't stop the dishonest folk from being dishonest, but you might be able to persuade them into getting the appropriate washout with some more cheddar. This is assuming said trucker/broker is any good at netogiating a decent rate. I do agree that the shipper should place some more protections to ensure their product is up to snuff, but if you want quality trucks that treat your freight like their own....then you tend to pay a little more for it. Just my 2 cents." I completely agree. Because most loads posted here have no product or rate description I've called on loads that end up being animal by-products, and most of the time I'm appalled at how cheap the rate is. In all reality animal by-products should only be hauled in dump trailers. Dumps are relatively easy to clean and offer more "clean out" loads compared to belts or hoppers.

Replied on Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 06:57 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: " Another solution would be for this stuff to be hauled at a decent rate. Trucks driving down the price of these specialty products, that they have no knowledge of, has created a time of dishonesty. These loads, generally, require a washout before and after and it also creates a long list of feed that can't be hauled after. But that's $100-150 in washout fees, also there can be absurd wait times at these locations. I can say don't lie, until I'm blue in the face...but it won't stop the dishonest folk from being dishonest, but you might be able to persuade them into getting the appropriate washout with some more cheddar. This is assuming said trucker/broker is any good at netogiating a decent rate. I do agree that the shipper should place some more protections to ensure their product is up to snuff, but if you want quality trucks that treat your freight like their own....then you tend to pay a little more for it. Just my 2 cents."

I completely agree. Because most loads posted here have no product or rate description I've called on loads that end up being animal by-products, and most of the time I'm appalled at how cheap the rate is.

In all reality animal by-products should only be hauled in dump trailers. Dumps are relatively easy to clean and offer more "clean out" loads compared to belts or hoppers.

Replied on Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:13 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. In regards to washouts, I have found one important spot that 95% of washout facilities always overlook and that's the flaps on the doors. The only proper way to wash that out is to grab a hose and run it under the flap on low pressure and slide it back and forth across the door. The amount of build up in there from different meals makes for one foul smelling mess. I always end up grabbing a hose and doing it myself as it's something I am very particular about. Simply rolling the door open and closed while they're spraying water on isn't enough.

Replied on Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:13 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

In regards to washouts, I have found one important spot that 95% of washout facilities always overlook and that's the flaps on the doors. The only proper way to wash that out is to grab a hose and run it under the flap on low pressure and slide it back and forth across the door. The amount of build up in there from different meals makes for one foul smelling mess. I always end up grabbing a hose and doing it myself as it's something I am very particular about. Simply rolling the door open and closed while they're spraying water on isn't enough.

Replied on Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:13 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "We had the same issue and my truck was held hostage for several days during fumigation. I would bet a Harley for a Honda it was the shipper. How can all these trucks have issues with the same load from the same facility? The carrier pays for it in the end as we aren't worth anything and it's our obligation to just take it on the chin. I will never haul another load from that facility again. " Wouldn't happen to be a facility in Kentucky would it?

Replied on Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:13 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "We had the same issue and my truck was held hostage for several days during fumigation. I would bet a Harley for a Honda it was the shipper. How can all these trucks have issues with the same load from the same facility? The carrier pays for it in the end as we aren't worth anything and it's our obligation to just take it on the chin. I will never haul another load from that facility again. "

Wouldn't happen to be a facility in Kentucky would it?

Replied on Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:35 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Wouldn't happen to be a facility in Kentucky would it?" There is no way I'm going to out any company or broker on public forum, or even hint at it. That's bad business.

Replied on Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 03:15 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. It's more than likely coming from the facility they got loaded from and they are trying to pass the blame onto someone else. Yes bug's can make it into the trailer with a sealed tarp and yes some may make it through a washout but not enough to show up in a sample or be an issue. They are probably grain weevils which wouldn't come from a by product meal.

Replied on Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 08:51 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I completely agree. Because most loads posted here have no product or rate description I've called on loads that end up being animal by-products, and most of the time I'm appalled at how cheap the rate is. In all reality animal by-products should only be hauled in dump trailers. Dumps are relatively easy to clean and offer more "clean out" loads compared to belts or hoppers. " Well that would take me out of a job because that's all I haul in my hopper is animal by. Pork going down chicken coming back. Never get the bugs or buildup u guys are talking about. No idea what u guys think a bad rate is but in my opinion I'm doing pretty good with it

Replied on Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 08:51 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "I completely agree. Because most loads posted here have no product or rate description I've called on loads that end up being animal by-products, and most of the time I'm appalled at how cheap the rate is. In all reality animal by-products should only be hauled in dump trailers. Dumps are relatively easy to clean and offer more "clean out" loads compared to belts or hoppers. "

Well that would take me out of a job because that's all I haul in my hopper is animal by. Pork going down chicken coming back. Never get the bugs or buildup u guys are talking about. No idea what u guys think a bad rate is but in my opinion I'm doing pretty good with it