Tanker Pump Question

May 31, 2022 at 12:39 PM CST + 5
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. What kind of pump is used to DOT 407 OR DOT 307 chemical/acid stainless steel tanker trailer? (What a mouthful...) I want to get into hauling chemicals and information is relatively limited out here. I heard it was air but I'm confused how to even go about doing that. Can instal it myself? Can it go on any truck? Any advice about hauling chemicals or hazmat in general is welcomed.

Replied on Tue, May 31, 2022 at 09:15 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Not sure of the technical term but i know we use either a roper pump, or a chem pump. The difference between the two is one is is just a pump and the chem pump has a roper pump and air.

Replied on Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 09:47 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. So this is way more of a question than I think you are thinking. If you are planning to just buy a trailer to haul acid without a customer who needs it, that is a questionable decision. There are multiple trailer types for doing slightly different things when it comes to volitile chemicals. Different liner materials, and different materials in the pumps themselves. I might be wrong, but it sounds to me like you need to go back to the drawing board and figure out where to start, becuase it sounds like you are trying to wing it with some stuff that will kill you and others. To sort of answer your question I prefer to use air for chemicals. Paragon makes a true oil-less air pump, others may too, but I've had nothing but good from Paragon and use their products exclusively. A lot of recievers don't allow air, but air is required for multi compartment trailers to eliminate cross contamination without having a pump per comartment. With a single compartment trailer a hydraulic pump is perfectly fine, but if you're trying to haul brokered loads a pump can be a wild ass guess whether it is safe to use with whatever you are trying to put through it, well, assuming you are like most of us and not a chemist who knows incompatibility of all chemicals. Do not rely on the broker to know anything about your safety. They do not.

Replied on Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 09:47 AM CST

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So this is way more of a question than I think you are thinking. If you are planning to just buy a trailer to haul acid without a customer who needs it, that is a questionable decision. There are multiple trailer types for doing slightly different things when it comes to volitile chemicals. Different liner materials, and different materials in the pumps themselves. I might be wrong, but it sounds to me like you need to go back to the drawing board and figure out where to start, becuase it sounds like you are trying to wing it with some stuff that will kill you and others.

To sort of answer your question I prefer to use air for chemicals. Paragon makes a true oil-less air pump, others may too, but I've had nothing but good from Paragon and use their products exclusively. A lot of recievers don't allow air, but air is required for multi compartment trailers to eliminate cross contamination without having a pump per comartment. With a single compartment trailer a hydraulic pump is perfectly fine, but if you're trying to haul brokered loads a pump can be a wild ass guess whether it is safe to use with whatever you are trying to put through it, well, assuming you are like most of us and not a chemist who knows incompatibility of all chemicals. Do not rely on the broker to know anything about your safety. They do not.

Replied on Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 02:19 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. You should start out an owner op with a tanker company before you get into this. You will learn valuable information.

Replied on Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 08:41 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Not sure of the technical term but i know we use either a roper pump, or a chem pump. The difference between the two is one is is just a pump and the chem pump has a roper pump and air. " Interesting. Do you know if the roper pump easy to install? Or you need a mechanic and some specialized tools or something?

Replied on Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 08:42 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "You should start out an owner op with a tanker company before you get into this. You will learn valuable information." Yeah it seems like I'm gonna have to take that route. I really just wanna be independent and free like you guys lol. But have you heard anything about Quality Carriers?

Replied on Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 08:44 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "So this is way more of a question than I think you are thinking. If you are planning to just buy a trailer to haul acid without a customer who needs it, that is a questionable decision. There are multiple trailer types for doing slightly different things when it comes to volitile chemicals. Different liner materials, and different materials in the pumps themselves. I might be wrong, but it sounds to me like you need to go back to the drawing board and figure out where to start, becuase it sounds like you are trying to wing it with some stuff that will kill you and others. To sort of answer your question I prefer to use air for chemicals. Paragon makes a true oil-less air pump, others may too, but I've had nothing but good from Paragon and use their products exclusively. A lot of recievers don't allow air, but air is required for multi compartment trailers to eliminate cross contamination without having a pump per comartment. With a single compartment trailer a hydraulic pump is perfectly fine, but if you're trying to haul brokered loads a pump can be a wild ass guess whether it is safe to use with whatever you are trying to put through it, well, assuming you are like most of us and not a chemist who knows incompatibility of all chemicals. Do not rely on the broker to know anything about your safety. They do not." I found a customer and I know what the product is. I'm not just out here winging it. I even have the Safety Data Sheet. They even told me what types of tanks the other contractors are using on the same project with the same product. I ran tanks before on food grade for years but I understand there a some differences. So I'm definitely not brand new to tankers. I'm just gathering up as much intel from here, Youtube, drivers, DOT, and other forums in regards to hazmat. I know that hydraulic pumps generate heat and the product is a class 3 flammable liquid. Therefore that wouldn't be an option. So I assumed air what the correct choice. Thanks for telling me about Paragon. I definitely learned something here. Definitely gonna dig more into that.

Replied on Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 08:44 PM CST

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Quote: "So this is way more of a question than I think you are thinking. If you are planning to just buy a trailer to haul acid without a customer who needs it, that is a questionable decision. There are multiple trailer types for doing slightly different things when it comes to volitile chemicals. Different liner materials, and different materials in the pumps themselves. I might be wrong, but it sounds to me like you need to go back to the drawing board and figure out where to start, becuase it sounds like you are trying to wing it with some stuff that will kill you and others. To sort of answer your question I prefer to use air for chemicals. Paragon makes a true oil-less air pump, others may too, but I've had nothing but good from Paragon and use their products exclusively. A lot of recievers don't allow air, but air is required for multi compartment trailers to eliminate cross contamination without having a pump per comartment. With a single compartment trailer a hydraulic pump is perfectly fine, but if you're trying to haul brokered loads a pump can be a wild ass guess whether it is safe to use with whatever you are trying to put through it, well, assuming you are like most of us and not a chemist who knows incompatibility of all chemicals. Do not rely on the broker to know anything about your safety. They do not."

I found a customer and I know what the product is. I'm not just out here winging it. I even have the Safety Data Sheet. They even told me what types of tanks the other contractors are using on the same project with the same product. I ran tanks before on food grade for years but I understand there a some differences. So I'm definitely not brand new to tankers. I'm just gathering up as much intel from here, Youtube, drivers, DOT, and other forums in regards to hazmat.

I know that hydraulic pumps generate heat and the product is a class 3 flammable liquid. Therefore that wouldn't be an option. So I assumed air what the correct choice.

Thanks for telling me about Paragon. I definitely learned something here. Definitely gonna dig more into that.

Replied on Fri, Jun 03, 2022 at 09:00 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Call paragon trailer company out of Cartersville, Georgia and ask them to send you some information on their Hydrochem pump it's 2 pumps in one both gear and air. Mines was $8900 and installed with the hose rack $10900

Replied on Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 09:30 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. TRY CALLING THE POLAR DEALERSHIP IN ROSEMOUNT, MN. THEY SHOULD KNOW.

Replied on Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 08:22 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. here is my advise to you, the best chemical pumps for flammable liquids are either hydrachem chemical transfer pump or polar service center pump and compressor. make sure a professional will put them for you otherwise you risk transfering heat to the pump which may create an ingnition factor.

Replied on Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 12:46 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Roper pump installed with hose rack was about 10k total, and yes get somebody to to the installation for you. The one's we have there was some custom welding to run the intake hose along the frame so its closer to the trailer. A nice feature that saves on the length of the hose and less hose to walk out.

Replied on Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 08:54 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I found a customer and I know what the product is. I'm not just out here winging it. I even have the Safety Data Sheet. They even told me what types of tanks the other contractors are using on the same project with the same product. I ran tanks before on food grade for years but I understand there a some differences. So I'm definitely not brand new to tankers. I'm just gathering up as much intel from here, Youtube, drivers, DOT, and other forums in regards to hazmat. I know that hydraulic pumps generate heat and the product is a class 3 flammable liquid. Therefore that wouldn't be an option. So I assumed air what the correct choice. Thanks for telling me about Paragon. I definitely learned something here. Definitely gonna dig more into that. " Never run air to push off flammable or combustible..that equals big bomb

Replied on Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 08:54 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "I found a customer and I know what the product is. I'm not just out here winging it. I even have the Safety Data Sheet. They even told me what types of tanks the other contractors are using on the same project with the same product. I ran tanks before on food grade for years but I understand there a some differences. So I'm definitely not brand new to tankers. I'm just gathering up as much intel from here, Youtube, drivers, DOT, and other forums in regards to hazmat. I know that hydraulic pumps generate heat and the product is a class 3 flammable liquid. Therefore that wouldn't be an option. So I assumed air what the correct choice. Thanks for telling me about Paragon. I definitely learned something here. Definitely gonna dig more into that. "

Never run air to push off flammable or combustible..that equals big bomb

Replied on Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 08:54 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I chose not to go the hydraulic route like the Polar pack or Hydrochem. I have a shaft driven compressor on one side and a pump on the other. I simply move the drive shaft to whichever one I want to use. So far, I've only used the compressor. The entire set up was $9,700 installed. I did'nt want the others hanging on my frame rails.

Replied on Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:18 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I found a customer and I know what the product is. I'm not just out here winging it. I even have the Safety Data Sheet. They even told me what types of tanks the other contractors are using on the same project with the same product. I ran tanks before on food grade for years but I understand there a some differences. So I'm definitely not brand new to tankers. I'm just gathering up as much intel from here, Youtube, drivers, DOT, and other forums in regards to hazmat. I know that hydraulic pumps generate heat and the product is a class 3 flammable liquid. Therefore that wouldn't be an option. So I assumed air what the correct choice. Thanks for telling me about Paragon. I definitely learned something here. Definitely gonna dig more into that. " You CAN NOT use air for flammable loads. That's running an enormous risk of a large BOOM

Replied on Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:18 AM CST

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You CAN NOT use air for flammable loads. That's running an enormous risk of a large BOOM

Replied on Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 12:12 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I chose not to go the hydraulic route like the Polar pack or Hydrochem. I have a shaft driven compressor on one side and a pump on the other. I simply move the drive shaft to whichever one I want to use. So far, I've only used the compressor. The entire set up was $9,700 installed. I did'nt want the others hanging on my frame rails." What system is this? I know they make something like that for medium duty applications, but it's not enough to run both of my trailer types. I have 2 trucks set up with 2 pto's, one air pump, one hydraulic cooler, and I need to do anther truck in the next couple weeks, so I would love a half price solution and keep something off my frame.

Replied on Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 12:12 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "I chose not to go the hydraulic route like the Polar pack or Hydrochem. I have a shaft driven compressor on one side and a pump on the other. I simply move the drive shaft to whichever one I want to use. So far, I've only used the compressor. The entire set up was $9,700 installed. I did'nt want the others hanging on my frame rails."

What system is this? I know they make something like that for medium duty applications, but it's not enough to run both of my trailer types. I have 2 trucks set up with 2 pto's, one air pump, one hydraulic cooler, and I need to do anther truck in the next couple weeks, so I would love a half price solution and keep something off my frame.