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Trucking has became it own Joke.

Nov 21, 2015 at 12:23 AM CST
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You cna not make money when there is so many levels of ideas of what is right or wrong with trucking. First problem is that the cost of equipment is way out of sight.That brings another problem .How do you train the people who set the rates for the haul to be educated enough to realize their rates do not match the equipment cost. Which causes another problem and that is their therory is to haul overload.which will give you more money per mile. this causes another problem which cause a owner operator to have to start making bad desisions. Most owner operators of today can not afford a 145000 new tractor with a 40000 thousand new trailer. Do the Math and you will see that it does not even come close to the rates that are offered to haul todays freight. So this causes another problem because the owner operator does not want to quit. So he finds a cheap tractor and trailer as he can get by on. Sinks his self in debt and still tries to haul the cheap freight that the companines are setting. You see its not that the good times are gone. This maddness has been going on for years. As one old timer explained to me. Have you ever went to a dog track. I said no. he said well they put those dogs behind a starting gate and then let them go to chase this mechanical rabbit. The dogs don't know they will never catch it, but they still run their hearts trying. And for all the people invovled they try to make it look fair and that they care. Trucking is about the same way . The owner operator just wants to make a living and be comfortable. But he does not realize the rabbit he chases is rigged fomm the get go. The chance or should we say percentages of cost of equipment, repairs, licences, federal goverment, local goverment, shippers, brokers,the banks that thought so much of him until he got into trouble on payments. And the most important that has takien a many out is their health. Everything is stacked aginst you succeding before you put the first mile down. No idid not forget the very hardest against a owner operator and that is INSURANCE. When alarge company thats in control of many buy and sell positons all they have to do is set a standard that if you don't have this much insurance then we can not use you. Like most they get on the phone and ask for more not considering that the rate did not compensate for the increase. I Hope one day that the truckers of the UNITED STATES would quit talking about all this small talkand come together to change the standard in which we are having to live under. We have the power , the comon sense, to make this a better industry. But we continue to let people who do nt understand trucking to regulate us. Their saftey rules , their work ethicsthey twist the truth about trucking to manage and mandate control of this industry. The Best part is they kept the working man fighting with the working man because they no thats one way to keep control. So Before you comment on how stupid I am then answer the first question so we know how smart you really are. Question if 500.00 is paid to federal goverment on every heavy duty truck in every state of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. How much revnue do they take in per year? and why can we not run in the third lane ? why are the bridges and roads in bad condition not being fixed?why do they regulate trucks but allow each state to say how much weight to be hauled ? difernt axle weights, diferent axle lenghts all of this if the federal goverment taking in money and wants to regulate log books on every truck in all state then we should have standard weights ,lenghts ,standard prices for fuel cost per mile in each state. The money that one truck generates is unreal to the american public. We as truckers should stand up and say there wrong and demand a answer wher all this money goes. Specially since they use that money to make more regulations to tax trucks. When the trucks quit rolling then America will have nothing to offer. The railroad the airports the ships all depend on trucks. And yes the stock market of today depends ,on trucks. But they do nothing but continue to chip away at this industry and take more and more.
Replied on Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:10 PM CST
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You got the situation covered pretty well. The only thing I found was that the Highway Use Tax is 550.00 per truck not 500.00.
Replied on Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:19 PM CST
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First its all about ME.. ME.. ME.. ME AND NEVER ABOUT WE.. Jimmy Hoffa tried for years and we had We.. And when Jimmy Hoffa told the teamsters to go on strike..they all did.. Not just you or the guy down the street.. And no body else.. Like ive said times before.. We could have a group of a million drivers or owner operators.. And everybody agree that we would park the truck on a certain date.. That day comes and maybe two or three trucks would be parked with everybody else with one excuse or another why they cant shut down.. And the shippers and recievers all know this and use it to the fullest to their advantage.. We would only need three days to have the general public totally up in arms ready to riot.. First day with no growceries delivered to the market. Not much.. Second day shelves are getting empty.. Major questioning.. What the Heck is going on.. Third day.. Those shelves are now totally empty.. The word gets around about no food.. People panic. It goes down hill from there.. And now you go in and negotiate with the shippers and recievers.. On your terms.. Because they dont want to see day four.. And you go on the news and tell the public just why you have to raise your transportation prices.. Just what the EPA and the government is doing.. Tell them that since 2000the price of trucking has doubled in price because of all the regulations and the shippers and recievers are trying to get you to haul 2000rates..i bet re regulation would come to mind in the congress.. Day four? Dont want to even think about it.. But with 250 million thinking the food wont be there.. Ugly day for politicians.. Thata the whole problem.. Some guy will go broke hauling a load.. Thinking that at the other end is a better one. And take that cheap load.. For the next one.. Or will have a good paying load.. Then get a cheap load to return home.. A back haul.. Well your backhaul could be my haul.. So now you just cut my prime haul rate so you could get home.. So i take my main haul.. Go to your area and take your main haul for my back haul.. Never have a back haul.. Always a laod hauled.. Like coyote logistics advertize.. The backhaul specialist.. They advertize it.. So now we haul a back haul as a main haul.. As the rates go in the toilet.. And they know it.. Ever go into the truck atop where you get fuel and tell them you need the backhaul price.. Or tell the judge to discount the ticket for the backhaul rate? Or the tireman? So why haul something that you haul cheaper and have to pay full price for.. WHY? Remember its all about ME.. and not WE.
Replied on Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 02:14 PM CST
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Public opinion seems to be on your side, when you look at the driver turnover rate. This industry has become so toxic, most want nothing to do with it, so now you have the ATA begging the government to let a bunch of teenagers behind the wheel, in hopes that they wont notice that they are in a sweat shop on wheels, being held prisoner in a metal cage, forced into bondage unable to move freely at will, thanks to electronic logs controlling their every move, ( JUST LIKE A ANKLE MONITOR) , being completely cut off from all friends and family, ( REMEMBER THAT NTSB WANTS TO BAN CELL PHONES IN THE CAB) . They also hope you wont mind being subjected to random cellblock searches by law enforcement as truck drivers are not worthy of being protected by the 4th amendment, like everyone else is. They also hope you won't mind being told when to sleep, eat, and poop. IT seems truck drivers have a lot in common with inmates at a super max prison.
Replied on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 08:49 AM CST
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Well Dave, maybe that's what's coming. As the prisons fill up they can just sentence the non violent offenders to do their time in a truck! Seriously Jeremy, I read what you had to say back when you first posted it and wanted to reply then but I was so overwhelmed that I just couldn't get started. Even now I'll have to purpose to keep it short or I wont be able to keep my mind straight at church in a couple hours. The dog and rabbit analogy is perfect. Twice in 20 years I almost had that dog too, but he's so far ahead of me now I can't even see him anymore. I don't even pretend to think I'll see him ever again, I've just tried to stay in the race hoping to at least see a finish line one day. I started with old used equipment and worked my way into reasonably priced new, reinvesting when the rabitt was in my sights. But something always comes along to take that gain back, like what happened in '09. And that's the core of what's wrong for most owner ops and small fleets. You can work, but you can't really make any money past what it takes to stay in business. No significant profit equals no reinvestment equals everyone just getting by. Even though I've adjusted as best I can and gone back to older paid for equipment, I still can't work every day once I get out on the road because there just isn't enought profitable freight to choose from. If a guy can outlast the current situation, it will probable swing the other way again one day. But after riding that rollercoaster for 20 years, for me it's all just been a wash. And personally, between the cost of newer trucks and all the government interference over stuff that really doesn't address the problem, it's just not all that much fun anymore.
Replied on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 02:25 PM CST
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KNOW MORE HOPPER LOADS HERE. GOING TO PARK ALL THEM . WAIT TILL THEY PAY RIGHT OR JUST SIT.
HATE IT FOR DRIVERS BUT IM NOT GOING TO KEEP RUNNING JUST FOR PAYING THEM. GOVERMENT WON'T HELP , THEY CAN PAY THEM.
COMPANIES WITH 40 OR 50 TRUCKS CAN KEEP HAULING FOR NOTHING.

Replied on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 08:32 PM CST
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We dont have the Teamsters backing us up now thanks to the Reeco act. Even if we did the maggot infested clowns we are bringing in off the boats and giving CDLs to are not going to park because they may face deportation. Market forces will dictate what happens now. Remember 2010? After everyone left the industry either by force (loosing their truck or job) or willingly quitting and being a greeter at Walmart....when the freight came back there were no trucks to haul it. I hauled a load for GM that paid $10 per mile because they couldnt find trucks. That was the 08 and 09 crunch.

Bring in the 15 to 16 crunch.....where everyone now has a $3600 turbocharger.....$3000 EGR cooler.....$1000 EGR valve.....a truck that spends more time in the shop than out on the road due to dealers having an overflow of trucks that they cannot seem to fix on the first try..... I have seen folks spend $7000 at a dealer chasing a problem down to a $150 cam sensor. In this environment you can bet the zombies (the drivers who are one breakdown away from taking a bus ticket home and telling the finace company were to find the truck) are going to drop like flies.....and never come back. Heck...there are already companies who have gone under already and we are not in the eye of the storm yet (that happens in January where the shippers are not worried about getting product out the doors for tax season). There are not enoiugh drivers out there who can take negative cash flow so you can bet the heard will drop in numbers at an alarming rate.

I'm going point you in a direction you need to consider. I have a page on facebook called Cummins ISX Problem Solvers where we take the government out of our engines (if you know what I mean). I honestly believe its the only way you will survive the storm....when your EGR valve doenst put you on the side of the road..... Feel free to look it up.

Fact is I'm really considering making a move away from the industry. I'm just so sick of the cut throat nature of it. No loyalty....no compassion.....just bottom dollar bids. I would rather work at Home Depot and live in an old school bus.
Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 08:26 AM CST
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Good stuff from all of you there, I set up a group for all of us but guess what nobody but a few seemed to want to take the time to show up to the conference calls. It seems to me that we are a group of guys that would rather complain than do something about it.

We would rather laugh and make fun of those that are failing until their failures start to impact us. The brotherhood that once existed in this industry is about gone, this is what we need to take back first, once we have done that we can move forward and take back the rest. Money will not solve our problems it will always be a constant struggle to obtain more, our society belives that the all mighty dollar is the answer to everything.

I have talked to many a trucker, broker, and shipper and here is how the story goes.

The trucker believes that they are being screwed by everybody else, and while this is true they fail to do anything about it. If you fail to stand up for yourself just who in the hell do you expect to stand up for you??? The puppet masters are in control of the government we as individuals do not have the money to combat the game that is being played against us individually. There were a group of guys years ago that put it all on the line and stood up for not just money but for freedom, this is indeed the most valuable thing that we the people can indeed stand up for. Freedom always comes with a price. Are you willing to pay the price for your freedom?

The broker now is starting to understand that without us little carriers they will cease to exist, I have had more brokers reaching out to me over the past few months asking what I believe the plight to be it things continue down their current path. I have informed them that if they continue to allow the shipper (puppet masters) to dictate lower and lower rates that there will become a breaking point of when the rabbit chasers will sign on as Power Only with the Mega's just to survive. When this happens more and more the Independent Carrier will just be a thing of the past, they will now be glorified Lease Operators still chasing the mystical rabbit or drug that no longer exists. When this happens who will the broker now do business with. NO TRUCERS = NO BROKERS!!! I have been on the phone with many a honorable broker when the shipper calls and offers them a starting rate that is so ridiculous that both of us struggle from keeping from vomiting into our phones. I have said for quite a while now that truckers and brokers better start working together willingly or they would end up working together by force. You brokers will now have to most likely work for a Mega as an agent or dispatch because in order for you to survive you will also give up your freedom.

The shipper is still spitting out the reason that freight is so cheap is because of the price of fuel. Now if you believe that you should be taking a $1 - $2 per mile hit because fuel is .20 per gallon cheaper, then you have indeed continued to drink their Kool-Aid and will continue to chase their magic rabbit. I have heard rates offered as low as .50 per mile, now who in their right mind would haul that kind of crap. The next argument the shipper will use is that it is supply and demand, while there is a certain level of truth to that, if we all went fishing for two or three days like Jeff stated then the supply and demand problem would fix itself. Suppy and demand do not dictate as to the price per mile to run a truck and the shippers know this the only ones that seem not to know this are the truckers and the brokers. We can get mad at the puppet masters all we want but put yourselves it their shoes. If the truckers and brokers kept playing the Trucker Limbo Dance and kept going lower and lower would you not take the cheapest rate possible and put the magic rabbit back into your pocket to use another day? Many of you have found out by now that there is no loyalty between the shipper and yourselves, you have lost accounts to others that are desperate and will do it cheaper thereby throwing yourselves into the same type of desperation that they were in.

I have seen many a trucker make fun of others in this forum and others because they were having a hard time. I have seen truckers call truckers stupid, idiots, along with other names as well. I have been guilty of this as well, but I have genuinely reached out to educate others as to how to improve their situations instead of just slamming on each other. I may be very strongly opinionated as to the how's, why's and what's but in the end I always believe that the only way we are going to take back what is rightfully ours is to fight for it.

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Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 08:45 PM CST
Lets all go fishing Dec 24 till Jan !
Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 08:46 PM CST
Jan 4 that is.
Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 09:26 PM CST
Well here it comes agin! When the farmer does not make enough money they send their shiney new trucks and farm help into the bulk comdity market to cover their ----!The brokers love it because them boys will haul it for nothing!!! We can leave it on the dock,,, and bottom feeders will come and haul it. Untill the DOT catches up and checks them....They are just selling thier trucks a piece at a Time . Ben here for 15 years last year they were begging for trucks But not now! Happy Thanksgiving! and you cheep haulers keep on till you are broke!
Replied on Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:35 PM CST
I like your plan Scott. Truck will be parked.
Replied on Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:10 AM CST
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Alred i read a lot of ur postings and i agree with you, most truckers think everyone is screwing them when in fact we are srewing ourselves by taking these crap loads, well we all told our kids no enough times and they finally got the picture!
Replied on Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 01:39 PM CST
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Lucky you are not in ND. I Have to compete with oil field. Oil companies are renting hoppers and haul for next to nothing
used to get 35 cents bushel on a 60 mile haul. Oil field moved In and said they can do it for 20 cents a bushel. I pull tri axle tri hopper and they come in with a tandem so I find different places. I try to keep busy but now most of the brokers cater to the oil field. They make a killing with the cheap rates. I have couple of places that tell oil. To leave. Been doing this for 20 yrs. it is getting tougher
Replied on Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 02:18 PM CST
Originally Posted by: GREG BOMMELMAN
Quote: "Lucky you are not in ND. I Have to compete with oil field. Oil companies are renting hoppers and haul for next to nothing used to get 35 cents bushel on a 60 mile haul. Oil field moved In and said they can do it for 20 cents a bushel. I pull tri axle tri hopper and they come in with a tandem so I find different places. I try to keep busy but now most of the brokers cater to the oil field. They make a killing with the cheap rates. I have couple of places that tell oil. To leave. Been doing this for 20 yrs. it is getting tougher"

I think Jeremy's rabbit at least wise may have had some fur on it. That rabbit there looks like just bones, don't know how long one can survive on just bones. It takes more energy to eat the bones then the value one receives from them. Kinda like eating celery. Which one are we? The rabbit eating celery or the dogs chasing the bony rabbit?
Replied on Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 09:33 AM CST
The government wants all of us little guys out of business anyway. The current state we are in will just help them. E-logs and speed limiters are the next step. I was really hoping for 2 more good years so that I would have time to find a real job but after the last 6 months I'm thinking its gonna come alot sooner. Can't make a living on working 1-2 days a week.
Replied on Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:31 AM CST
I hear that. Several people on here have talked about shutting down, which probably does need to happen just to bring attention to various issues that are killing this business for the little guy. But my truck is pretty much parked anyway over lack of decent rates, and I'm sure there are lots of other guys too just sitting home burning through their savings. The world keeps turning though and what little there is to choose from is still getting moved, so yes 2 years might very well come in 2 months.
Replied on Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 04:43 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: GREG BOMMELMAN
Quote: "Lucky you are not in ND. I Have to compete with oil field. Oil companies are renting hoppers and haul for next to nothing used to get 35 cents bushel on a 60 mile haul. Oil field moved In and said they can do it for 20 cents a bushel. I pull tri axle tri hopper and they come in with a tandem so I find different places. I try to keep busy but now most of the brokers cater to the oil field. They make a killing with the cheap rates. I have couple of places that tell oil. To leave. Been doing this for 20 yrs. it is getting tougher"

its the same up here in saskatchewan with the alberta oil jockeys, they don;t know how to read a guage and want 6 bucks a mile, LOL

Replied on Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 06:06 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: " its the same up here in saskatchewan with the alberta oil jockeys, they don;t know how to read a guage and want 6 bucks a mile, LOL"

Hey Nancy, been a while hope all is well in the Great North. Had a few of those oil jockey's ask me for a job, I informed them that I liked my horses dried down before putting them in the stable. The looked at me with a strange look, I told them that was my polite way for saying no way in hell would I ever hire one of you rough riders. I then asked them where was all that big money they were making from driving in the oil fields, they stated that they partied it all away. I told them to go file for unemployment and wait for the next oil boom. They are boom chasers and will always be, why would I ever hire a one of them had a freiend go up to ND for a couple of years within that time he rolled a guys Pete off a cliff and then could not understand why I would not hire him. He did not even have a CDL when he went up there, the oil fields are far much worse than the Mega-Carriers ever thought about being, they will let anybody drive a truck up there.
Replied on Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 04:58 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Hey Nancy, been a while hope all is well in the Great North. Had a few of those oil jockey's ask me for a job, I informed them that I liked my horses dried down before putting them in the stable. The looked at me with a strange look, I told them that was my polite way for saying no way in hell would I ever hire one of you rough riders. I then asked them where was all that big money they were making from driving in the oil fields, they stated that they partied it all away. I told them to go file for unemployment and wait for the next oil boom. They are boom chasers and will always be, why would I ever hire a one of them had a freiend go up to ND for a couple of years within that time he rolled a guys Pete off a cliff and then could not understand why I would not hire him. He did not even have a CDL when he went up there, the oil fields are far much worse than the Mega-Carriers ever thought about being, they will let anybody drive a truck up there."

All is well and busy!!!! i peek at the forums (maybe twice in last month or so) but it has been busy since august so not a lot of time. Hope you are doing ok, i see the struggles many are having with rates and it sucks. we have too many trucks on the road already!!!
Take care oot there and happy gobble gobble day!!!

Replied on Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 04:05 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Hey Nancy, been a while hope all is well in the Great North. Had a few of those oil jockey's ask me for a job, I informed them that I liked my horses dried down before putting them in the stable. The looked at me with a strange look, I told them that was my polite way for saying no way in hell would I ever hire one of you rough riders. I then asked them where was all that big money they were making from driving in the oil fields, they stated that they partied it all away. I told them to go file for unemployment and wait for the next oil boom. They are boom chasers and will always be, why would I ever hire a one of them had a freiend go up to ND for a couple of years within that time he rolled a guys Pete off a cliff and then could not understand why I would not hire him. He did not even have a CDL when he went up there, the oil fields are far much worse than the Mega-Carriers ever thought about being, they will let anybody drive a truck up there."

You are correct...they will let anyone drive up there. I was working on a belly dump job in SD this fall and the majority of the trucks on that job were guys from the ND oilield. Over half of those guys should not have ever been issued a CDL. Without exception. the ND guys overloaded their equipment at least 5-10 ton and drove like complete maniacs. Ive driven in oil booms before, but the ND oil boom has produced the worst drivers Ive ever seen in my life. All I can say is, if youre buying a truck that one of these jokers ran, be very very careful. If the truck has ran in North Dakota any amount of time at all, it will be nothing but scrap iron. By the looks of things there will be plenty of repos that will be for sale in the next few months that came from ND. Most of those guys never stepped foot in a truck prior to the boom, so they have no idea on how to take care of a truck.
Replied on Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 04:05 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Hey Nancy, been a while hope all is well in the Great North. Had a few of those oil jockey's ask me for a job, I informed them that I liked my horses dried down before putting them in the stable. The looked at me with a strange look, I told them that was my polite way for saying no way in hell would I ever hire one of you rough riders. I then asked them where was all that big money they were making from driving in the oil fields, they stated that they partied it all away. I told them to go file for unemployment and wait for the next oil boom. They are boom chasers and will always be, why would I ever hire a one of them had a freiend go up to ND for a couple of years within that time he rolled a guys Pete off a cliff and then could not understand why I would not hire him. He did not even have a CDL when he went up there, the oil fields are far much worse than the Mega-Carriers ever thought about being, they will let anybody drive a truck up there."

You are correct...they will let anyone drive up there. I was working on a belly dump job in SD this fall and the majority of the trucks on that job were guys from the ND oilield. Over half of those guys should not have ever been issued a CDL. Without exception. the ND guys overloaded their equipment at least 5-10 ton and drove like complete maniacs. Ive driven in oil booms before, but the ND oil boom has produced the worst drivers Ive ever seen in my life. All I can say is, if youre buying a truck that one of these jokers ran, be very very careful. If the truck has ran in North Dakota any amount of time at all, it will be nothing but scrap iron. By the looks of things there will be plenty of repos that will be for sale in the next few months that came from ND. Most of those guys never stepped foot in a truck prior to the boom, so they have no idea on how to take care of a truck.